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[iiToxyy]

 I'm clinging to the hope that this is an internal struggle with shepad as he's lying on the ground underneath the rubble from a nearby blast from Harbinger.
I refuse to believe that this otherwise brilliantly written game was destroyed in under 20 minutes.
This has been my favorite gaming series, by far, only in the end to have my heart ripped out and eaten in front of me as I bleed to death watching the horror. Please, please tell me you really are just magnificently brilliant and planned for this the entire time Bioware.
Please~

[goose2989]

It's a very nice thought, one that I would be happy to accept, but I highly doubt Bioware intends this. Don't get me wrong; I am just as upset as the next guy or gal. But I don't see this as a solution.

Who else here has a feeling that we'll see as Fallout 3 type DLC? I sure as heck would pay to have a happy (or at least happier) ending. The vast majority of us seem to want the option to at least live happily ever after. I personally want Shepard and Tali to live together on Rannoch. Others may want Shepard and Liara, or Garrus, or so on. It obviously creates a new opportunity for Bioware and DLC, if nothing else.

[Beast919]

M U P P 3 T Z wrote...

Ah, thanks for the clarification, guys! Also, if the DLC problem is a money issue (i.e. Why should we have to pay more for the game ending? How much does Bioware have to pay Microsoft/EA to allow them to release it, etc.)... they could just make the download very cheap. Say... one dolla make it holla? That wouldn't be too bad. We would get the ending we wanted/deserve & Bioware is able to pay for the costs of publishing it.

ME3 sales easily reached into the millions. I don't think there'd be many who wouldn't be willing to part with a dollar to appease the situation.

There's a relatively large portion of people that think DLC thats ready when the game is ready shouldn't be DLC - I guarentee those same people (and many more) are going to think that DLC that is, IMO, *required* to get the full enjoyment from the franchise should be DLC.  Even making it free, they're going to ****** off a *large* portion of their fanbase with a move like this.

[mupp3tz]

But the point is, they've already pissed off a large portion of the fanbase. There is no other move they can make. The only solution is for them to ADD onto the game or patch it somehow. Without that, we're stuck with what we have.

[Neverwinter_Knight77]

MrRiadon wrote...

I really hope it was a hallucination.... I can't think of any other reason for the endings in a game of this magnitude to be so bad.

Quoted for truth.

[Beast919]

goose2989 wrote...

It's a very nice thought, one that I would be happy to accept, but I highly doubt Bioware intends this. Don't get me wrong; I am just as upset as the next guy or gal. But I don't see this as a solution.

Who else here has a feeling that we'll see as Fallout 3 type DLC? I sure as heck would pay to have a happy (or at least happier) ending. The vast majority of us seem to want the option to at least live happily ever after. I personally want Shepard and Tali to live together on Rannoch. Others may want Shepard and Liara, or Garrus, or so on. It obviously creates a new opportunity for Bioware and DLC, if nothing else.

While I think a large portion of the player base does want a happy ending (option), I think nearly every player just wants an ending with answers.  An ending where any of the choices you make have relevance (actual, physical relevance, not "well the choices you made color the decision you make in the end).  I want to see the galaxy I've worked so hard to protect, and I'd damn well want to see the results of my **** renegade options I took to see how it differs.  As it is we don't even see the results of the 3 shell game choices, let alone the results of *anything else in the entire series*.  

Going further, why on Earth would they make the Shepard breathing scene so rare (between the galaxy at war crap & people simply not picking the destroy option) - Its meant to be a tease, but of what?  Even if Shepard is in....space rubble? of the blown up citadel?  What the hell is he gonna do when he wakes up?  Even if Shepard falls through space and lands on Earth and lives because he's *just that awesome* - What kind of DLC are we gonna have without Mass Relays?  We already know we won't see Joker, or our LI and whoever else was on the Normandy.  Anderson is dead. TIM is dead.  What else would there be?  What would be the point of that breath in any other situation?

[Beast919]

M U P P 3 T Z wrote...

But the point is, they've already pissed off a large portion of the fanbase. There is no other move they can make. The only solution is for them to ADD onto the game or patch it somehow. Without that, we're stuck with what we have.

I agree completely - I just don't understand why they did it in the first place.  It would have been really interesting if they pulled a fast one on us, and the credits rolled, and then....we woke up, and kept up the fight (and if you made the wrong choice you simply re-loaded and picked the right one! Yay!) - but to do it this way, to leave your entire gaming community in the dark.....why?

[krystalevenstar]

So I rewatched the last dream sequence before going to Cerberus HQ. Here's what I noticed;

• The dream sequence seems to have the same underlying background noise as when Shepard is going towards the beam. However, during that scene, we can also hear gunfire and comm chatter from Coats about how no one made it to the beam, perhaps as Shepard loses consciousness.
• My game's dialog for that sequence went as follows:

               - "Does this unit have a soul?" - Legion
              - "That won't happen Commander, go, I'll see you all when you get back" - Ashley (In my game Virmire fatality)
              - "Shepard" - Kaiden (LI)
              - "Whatever you come up with, you can count me in" - Unknown, possibly Ashley
              - "Shepard" - Unknown, possibly Kaiden again

• Shepard is wearing armor in the dream
• When the Phantom Shep looks up from embracing the phantom child and makes eye contact, there is a very ominous background note played, almost but not quite, like the same DUN tone they use for The Reapers
• Both Shepard and the Child's phantom versions go up in flames together

On another note, these are a few things that caught my eye while reading the codex:

• In the entry on 'Keepers', the last paragraph reads as follows, "No matter how many Keepers die due to old age, violence, or accident, they maintain a constant number. No one has discovered the source of new Keepers, but some hypothesize they are genetic constructs; biological androids created somewhere deep in the inaccessable core of The Citadel itself."
• The whole entry on 'Desperate Meaures' under 'The Reaper War' is very interesting and addresses the fact they considered sabotaging The Mass Relays at one point before.

I will have to play the ending, yet again, since loading up my pre-Cerberus HQ overwrote the autosave for the final Citadel mission.

Modifié par krystalevenstar, 10 mars 2012 - 11:12 .

[mupp3tz]

That's exactly right! If this worked out like we are saying it should have, then WHAT A FANTASTIC END. I mean , seriously. I'd be completely speechless after that... and, this time, in the best way possible. I don't demand a fairy tale ending, but give me closure at least. Show me why it was all worth it.

In regards to the "good ending" (Reapers destroyed, Shepard alive)... there's gotta be more. WHY even show us Shepard taking a breath if he just chokes and dies right after. WTF is that? That's the opposite of a good ending. And the quote by the kid at the end: "One more story..." is very suspicious. Although, it could also just be trying to end on a quasi sentimental note.

[Hellfire257]

It must be a hallucination. Too much doesn't add up for it to be real. I doubt the current "endings" would have passed QA with all the obvious flaws in them. That or the entire QA team didn't pay attention to continuity.

[Kitten Tactics]

It also supports why they wouldn't address us until the game is out everywhere. Why spoil the surprise before others have a chance to finish?

[Neverwinter_Knight77]

Anybody who has played this series from day one and formed emotional attachments to these characters knows that the endings were absolutely terrible. Why give the illusion of hope in ME3, only to stomp it out? Why make this the greatest game ever, and then have the last 15 minutes completely ruin the entire series?

[krystalevenstar]

Neverwinter_Knight77 wrote...

Anybody who has played this series from day one and formed emotional attachments to these characters knows that the endings were absolutely terrible. Why give the illusion of hope in ME3, only to stomp it out? Why make this the greatest game ever, and then have the last 15 minutes completely ruin the entire series?

I mentioned this somewhere too. It's totally and completely uncharacteristic of how Bioware operates, which only further corroborates that we're not getting the whole picture yet and there's going to be more to come.

[Kitten Tactics]

People, this hallucination stuff almost makes too much sense. We've been told that hearing the ending was terrible was Mike Gamble's hardest day ever, and to wait for what's in store. We've been told "no comment until the world has had a chance to beat it".

If this is indeed the true nature of the endings, we will have the biggest egg on our collective face.

[KingSnake661]

My feelings on this matter. If it IS a hallucination, and they sell DLC "real" endings, i'll be both, happy, and excedingly pissed off at the same time. Happy because, this ending bites, period. 10 bucks to fix it and i'd be content with this game. Hell, it'd be my fav game in years.

Pissed off because then bioware just played us for fools and gave a game with an ending we have to pay for. I'd get the very real impression they planed this from the start and that... just isn't cool. AT ALL. This is of course speculation. But if it plays out like that.... I'm not going to say i'll never buy bioware again, it'd be an empty and pointless thread, because if an epic looking game comes down the line and i can afford it... I'd prolly still buy it, and even if i didn't bioware won't care. So i supopse i'd be filled with impedent rage and that would that.

*shrug* At the very least i'd at least get the happy ending i want if this was all the case.

[mentosman8]

I haven't read through the whole post, but lots of good points and this has been where my thoughts have been going(and honestly, will probly stay even if BW comes out and says this is the final ending). The Shep alive scene, the fact that after being barely able to walk, shep can suddenly sprint if you choose synthesis, the fact that the two options which allow the reapers to not be destroyed both involve Shep dying, and the destroying one doesn't(indoctrinated, merge=pretty much Saren, control=TIM) could imply indoctrination with either other option. With all the stuff that doesn't make sense about the ending, this would connect all the dots, and open up a follow-up for a much different ending that adds up completely, AND had it followed these "endings" immediately, woulda been an absolutely incredible moment.

[BOXSER]

This idea makes alot of sense, hope its true Bioware. After i read some of this form im not totaly depressed about the ending now if its the case. wasn't going to replay if i didn't go back and think about this idea. Finally some hopeful sense to the game! : )

[Beast919]

KingSnake661 wrote...

My feelings on this matter. If it IS a hallucination, and they sell DLC "real" endings, i'll be both, happy, and excedingly pissed off at the same time. Happy because, this ending bites, period. 10 bucks to fix it and i'd be content with this game. Hell, it'd be my fav game in years.

Pissed off because then bioware just played us for fools and gave a game with an ending we have to pay for. I'd get the very real impression they planed this from the start and that... just isn't cool. AT ALL. This is of course speculation. But if it plays out like that.... I'm not going to say i'll never buy bioware again, it'd be an empty and pointless thread, because if an epic looking game comes down the line and i can afford it... I'd prolly still buy it, and even if i didn't bioware won't care. So i supopse i'd be filled with impedent rage and that would that.

*shrug* At the very least i'd at least get the happy ending i want if this was all the case.

You can't forget the Alliance Network system for free DLC downloads.  They can choose to make this right without adding a price tag.  And they damn well better.

[mahlerbone]

Beast919 wrote...

So....no takers on my crackpot theory that its Vega in the rubble with the N7 dog tags? My god that would be funny. So funny.

that idea doesn't work though. if you have a female shepard you can clearly tell that it's a female taking in a breath. its shepard all right.

[Hellfire257]

Honestly, I'd have preferred an ending in which you just hear Harbinger say "Assuming direct control" then the entire galaxy explodes. At least it would have made more sense.

[sniperhobbit]

k8ee wrote...

Is the Citadel destroyed if you choose to destroy the reapers? I can't remember... but if it is, there is no way Shep would survive that. Seeing him/her take that breath screams false ending. I mean, come on, even the Prothean says that their leaders gave in, made comprimises. The whole series has been about destroying the reapers no matter what, at any cost. EDI says she would die for Joker. The geth, well, their willingness to fight the reapers says they are willing to die to defeat them.

Maybe these last choices were BW's way of indoctrinating us gamers. Were you able to destroy the reapers, or did you lose your way and give in? A real test of Shep's (and our) resolve, that's for sure. If this were to be the end, these guys should get some sort of medal... although, this begs the question, where is the real conclusion?

Shep was going on and on about hope... and this is the only hope I can hold onto so that I can keep functioning as a productive member of RL

Wow thats exactly how I saw the ending even if they dount change it that is 1 hell of a way to brake the 4th wall BW I aprove

[Beast919]

Hellfire257 wrote...

Honestly, I'd have preferred an ending in which you just hear Harbinger say "Assuming direct control" then the entire galaxy explodes. At least it would have made more sense.

I'd have taken an ending where Shepard staggers after the blast and then Harbinger goes "Assuming Direct Control" and makes Shepard do....



And then the Galaxy explodes.  At least then I might already be dead from the shock of it.

[mupp3tz]

Yes, the addition of the Alliance Network system could be a very streamlined way for them to add content to the game or patch it, since you can't access the system without having internet. Can anybody confirm if you NEED to have Xbox Live for you to be able to connect to the system? If you don't, well... then we potentially have a way for Bioware to fix this or "finish" this if this was their plan all along.

From a marketing perspective, it makes sense, as you have to either a) buy a game new, or buy a pass to gain access. Sucky, yes, but, let's be honest. Developers want to make money.

[Hellfire257]

Beast919 wrote...

Hellfire257 wrote...

Honestly, I'd have preferred an ending in which you just hear Harbinger say "Assuming direct control" then the entire galaxy explodes. At least it would have made more sense.

I'd have taken an ending where Shepard staggers after the blast and then Harbinger goes "Assuming Direct Control" and makes Shepard do....

And then the Galaxy explodes.  At least then I might already be dead from the shock of it.

LOL, that's good enough for me.

Also...

Modifié par Hellfire257, 10 mars 2012 - 11:43 .

[Beast919]

M U P P 3 T Z wrote...

Yes, the addition of the Alliance Network system could be a very streamlined way for them to add content to the game or patch it, since you can't access the system without having internet. Can anybody confirm if you NEED to have Xbox Live for you to be able to connect to the system? If you don't, well... then we potentially have a way for Bioware to fix this or "finish" this if this was their plan all along.

From a marketing perspective, it makes sense, as you have to either a) buy a game new, or buy a pass to gain access. Sucky, yes, but, let's be honest. Developers want to make money.

Not sure on whether or not it requires the paid-version of Xbox live.  I do not believe it does.  Regardless, new copies of ME3 came with a 2-day trial for xbox live gold, which if it isn't squandered yet, will provide some people with a handy workaround.  But I truly don't think it requires Gold.