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[Dessalines]

The only reason I am not sure about the indoc theory is when you donn't do anything you don't get a critical mission failurer. You get the message: The crucible has been destroyed.

[Pericles Redstorm]

Your theory on this ending is the only thing that can restart my drive to play through the game one more time. Thank you for giving me some sort of hope.

[FugitiveMind]

Winged Squiger wrote...

So because Shep was indoctrinated, the Control option appeared in blue and Destroy in red? = Or did I just overthink that?

No overthought, that's a running part of the theory as well

[Turtlicious]

the parts I added Byne to add WERE

by Luc0s

This is Item 16

Check this footage:


Listen carefully and you'll hear 3 very distinct voices when the Catalyst speaks. Strange you say? It's getting even stranger...

Listen REALLY carefully and you'll hear that the 3 voices are a kids voice, femShep's voice and maleShep's voice.


1) The first voice you'll hear is the kid's voice. His voice is the loudest and panned in the middle.

2) The second voice is femShep's voice. Her voice is panned to the left. If you carry a headphone, you'll hear her only in the left speaker of your phone.

3) The last voice is maleShep's voice. His voice is rather hard to hear because he's almost whispering, but it's clearly manShep's voice. If you carry a headphone, you can hear that his voice is panned to the right speaker.

17 Anderson is clearly killed by the laser

18 No squad members are scene once you're hit by the laser

19 after being hit by the laser, you see shadowy whisps on the floor, similar to the much larger whisps seen in the dreams during the game.

[N3vDawg]

Winged Squiger wrote...

So because Shep was indoctrinated, the Control option appeared in blue and Destroy in red? = Or did I just overthink that?

Nope, that's what we've been getting at.

[lookingglassmind]

Got a PM from MindNebula, who cannot post in the forums yet. It follows:

MindNebula wrote...

Hey lookingglassmind,

I can't post in this forum as I don't have the game yet, but I've hung out in the spoiler forums for the past few months and I can answer the question why some endings have fewer choices than others.

The choice of endings not only depends on your EMS, as noted frequently in the forums, but on your decision regarding the Collector Base at the end of Mass Effect 2. Basically, if you chose to destroy the base (Reaper Heart) and don't have above a certain number of war assets (determined by your EMS score), you will only be given the choice of the Destroy ending (with Earth destroyed in the end). If you chose to keep the base (Reaper Brain) and have too low an EMS, then you'll only have a bad Control ending.

In graphical format from someone who leaked spoilers of the game prior to relase:
Destroying the Base: http://i.imgur.com/Uwxac.jpg
Keeping the Base: http://i.imgur.com/nSo2r.jpg

Note: As you can see, you need at least 1750 EMS to get both Destroy and Control endings, and something like 2800 or 3000 EMS (graph isn't entirely correct on this) to get the Synthesis (Synergy) ending.

I hope this helps!

[Dougremer]

MammaenDin wrote...

The main problem I have with indoctrination is, why would the child even present destroying the reapers as an option...why not leave that part out? Makes no sense at all to reveal that last possibility, why not just present two option, or present only one option and say that it's destroying the reapers, while it really is just dying...

Also, if it's a hallucination from before entering the beam, how does Shepard affect anything at all? If he never enters the Citadel, how can he use the Crucibel?

Another thing is, when the reapers know that the Citadel is the key to destroying them, why the would they close it, only to add a beam to enter it? Why not just close it and kill everything?

Even if it's a hallucination, I still feel there are huge plotholes :|

Maybe they are just trying to lure him in? Like a trojan horse.

[Turtlicious]

Dessalines wrote...

The only reason I am not sure about the indoc theory is when you donn't do anything you don't get a critical mission failurer. You get the message: The crucible has been destroyed.

I believe the Crucible is a Metaphor for your mind, if the crucible is destroyed, your mind is almost litterally pulled apart from fighting indoctrination so long.

[ceruleancrescent]

AndyB wrote...

Here's a thought... the Catalyst refers to the Reapers as Reapers.

Now, didn't Sovereign say in ME1 that the name "Reaper" is a prothean construct and not their choosing.

Why would the Catalyst refer to his creation as Reapers?

^

[krystalevenstar]

Oh wow. If you really want to heavily hear Jennifer Hale in The Catalyst's voice, check :48 - :50 seconds in this clip

Modifié par krystalevenstar, 12 mars 2012 - 11:07 .

[lookingglassmind]

Turtlicious wrote...

Dessalines wrote...

The only reason I am not sure about the indoc theory is when you donn't do anything you don't get a critical mission failurer. You get the message: The crucible has been destroyed.

I believe the Crucible is a Metaphor for your mind, if the crucible is destroyed, your mind is almost litterally pulled apart from fighting indoctrination so long.

That is awesome sauce.

I was thinking that it gets destroyed by the Reapers (such a fragile thing, no armour, and the longer Shepard takes, the more vulnerable it is to Reaper fire).

But that is a fantastic metaphor.

[Dougremer]

simfamSP wrote...

I'm really hoping for something big, but I'm warning you guys... don't get your hopes up to high, you might be dissapointed. Speculate, debate, discuss, argue etc... but remain cautious about this. I personally don't want that void in my soul to be bigger than it already is... really the ME3 endings have had a huge effect on me; I can't even look at games anymore.

I want to hope and if it doesn't happen then I can just start hating them for pissing on the best storyline in a video game.
Seriously, this is not the last word from Mass Effect.

[Dougremer]

ceruleancrescent wrote...

AndyB wrote...

Here's a thought... the Catalyst refers to the Reapers as Reapers.

Now, didn't Sovereign say in ME1 that the name "Reaper" is a prothean construct and not their choosing.

Why would the Catalyst refer to his creation as Reapers?

^

Cause it is a reaper.

[AndyB]

ceruleancrescent wrote...

AndyB wrote...

Here's a thought... the Catalyst refers to the Reapers as Reapers.

Now, didn't Sovereign say in ME1 that the name "Reaper" is a prothean construct and not their choosing.

Why would the Catalyst refer to his creation as Reapers?

^

Thanks...I don't want to sound bigheaded or anything but I think this needs to be considered....The Catalyst clearly states that the Reapers are "his solution" to "chaos".

Why on earth would he call them "Reapers" ?

[krystalevenstar]

Oh god, now that I know the voices are there it's so blatantly obvious o_O

Edit: 2:25, when the Catalyst says 'You have hope, more than you think', the word think is clearly femshep's voice. WOW THIS HAS ME TRIPPIN BALLS RIGHT NOW

Modifié par krystalevenstar, 12 mars 2012 - 11:11 .

[AndyB]

I can definitely hear Jennifer Hale (or at least a female voice) whispering while the child speaks.

Might just be coincidence but seems a bit too coincidental

[Dougremer]

N3vDawg wrote...

Winged Squiger wrote...

So because Shep was indoctrinated, the Control option appeared in blue and Destroy in red? = Or did I just overthink that?

Nope, that's what we've been getting at.

Is it the other way around if you choose a renegade path?

[Turtlicious]

also, for people to understand, The reason you interact with the citadel and everything is because the hallucination STARTS (I believe) at what I will call the "Ilos Run" which is the Run down that hill. I think it starts here, because this is the first time we see the trees. People point out the trees are there, but you're running STRAIGHT for Harbinger. Most likely your shuttle got blown to ****, and you are passed out in rubble on london. Hence why Arby, (I like that name) is battling with your mind. It's too hard to find your body in the wreckage, and he's still fighting literally the whole galaxy.

[Golferguy758]

I swear I'm getting more and more frustrated by people coming and saying "NU UH NO WAY BIOWARE COULD DO THIS" Without bothering to read any of the evidence(conjecture) provided. And following up without providing any counter argument other than "Bioware is teh dummy heads"

We aren't saying this is 100% fact. it is still conjecture, but the evidence points to a logical conclusion. Could it be wrong? Sure. Could Bioware have something up their sleeve? of course. This thread provides hope. Hope that Bioware didn't fumble at the one. Hope that Bioware cared enough for it's crown jewel that they wouldn't tarnish it. Just. Hope.

Oh and read. Read at least the first page.

[lookingglassmind]

AndyB wrote...

ceruleancrescent wrote...

AndyB wrote...

Here's a thought... the Catalyst refers to the Reapers as Reapers.

Now, didn't Sovereign say in ME1 that the name "Reaper" is a prothean construct and not their choosing.

Why would the Catalyst refer to his creation as Reapers?

^

Thanks...I don't want to sound bigheaded or anything but I think this needs to be considered....The Catalyst clearly states that the Reapers are "his solution" to "chaos".

Why on earth would he call them "Reapers" ?

Let's not forget that almost everything Shepard sees is an archetype. Don't forget -- this isn't reality. Now, I agree that the wording is a little sloppy, but I think that we need to remember that the scene on the Crucible is being created in Shepard's mind. Using his knowledge of things. Using his assumptions and understandings.

So, Shepard knows them as Reapers. Ergo, the Catalyst refers to them as Reapers.

It's probably not as simplistic as that, and it could definitely be something to look at much more closely, but I don't know.

[ReclaimedHavoc]

Hey guys, new here, but I just thought I'd say I have read about 50 or so pages here, and I fully support this idea. I really do.

[CaptnObvious]

Well, I saw those endings and... I felt that it destroyed so much of what the game stood for, I just could'nt believe it.

I just made my own theory, to be sure to have closure for everything: Everyone dies.
That shot from harbinger vaporized you and Anderson. Harby then went for the crew of the Normandy (see how determined and focused he looks like when you "regain consciousness"). Remember, moments before they show a long cinematic where Turians, Krogans and Asaris just get annihilated by the beam. That also explains why you suddenly see your friends hanging on a beautiful planet : got vaporized too. Just like TIM sees a beautiful earth just before dying, everyone sees something beautiful in their death. Also, TIM was actually transformed into a husk during his attempt. What you see in the Citadel is just his remaining consciousness which was already indoctrinated, hence his darker, blight-like appearance.

The conduct, and all the way to the Catalyst, it's just getting from Hell to Heaven. Start out in the red, have a tenous walk to the yellow, then you get lifted to the blue/white light.

Also, there are many paths that lead to the central chamber, but only Shepard's path is the right one. What you see in the end is just basically your consciousness being absorbed by the Catalyst. That's why it's so odd that Anderson, getting "in the beam after you" is in fact on the same path as you, just farther up front. I guess he had less deaths on his hands, or something like that, so he didn't have to take such a long walk. I had more ideas but they kinda got lost while i slept.

But, all in all, the Reaper's won, everyone's dead.

Beside, i think the little boy AI is added by Grandpa to get his grandson's interest... That's why it feels so Space Magic: it is. It's a fairy tale of a long lost human tale. In the end, the Stargazer's we see aren't even humans, they're some other specie. The humans got reaped.

The endings where so bad, that i prefer having my LI and all my friends dead with me, then having them get out of the Normandy super-happy about Shep's death.

This all might seem convoluted, but it's a theory i rather have. At least it gives closure.

[ceruleancrescent]

My friend just got to the god child choice scene and texted me asking me what she should do and I was just like

She did not like that response and raged at me for not helping her. She made her own choice (destroy) and is now flipping out at me. I told her to text me when she got to the credits and then I'm going to point her to this thread 


Edit: fixed my horrible spelling...damn

Modifié par ceruleancrescent, 12 mars 2012 - 11:15 .