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[Simon_Says]

HellishFiend wrote...

Well, I'm not buying it. I understand what you're saying, but I will not believe that nanid/tes are responsible for Shepard and Anderson losing partial motor to the Illusive man. I could type an essay on the various illogical implications that assumption creates, but I'll just leave it as my opinion, for whatever that's worth...

*rages with the fiery intensity of a thousand suns*

[HellishFiend]

wsandista wrote...

The IT sucks because it punishes everyone who roleplayed a paragon instead of just metagamed

You dont know what roleplaying is if you think it involves just picking the top option across the board. I'm guessing in fable 2 you ended up as an old hag of the opposite gender with a dead dog, am I right?

[byne]

wsandista wrote...

The IT sucks because it punishes everyone who roleplayed a paragon instead of just metagamed

I dont see how. None of the three choices at the end are especially paragon.

Control: Enslavement of the Reapers. Enslaving a sapient race isnt very paragon.
Synthesis: Turning everyone in the galaxy into synthetic/organic hybrids, completely against their will. Also not too paragon.
Destroy: Killing the Reapers and destroying the Geth and EDI. If it werent for EDI and the Geth, you could make the argument that destroy is the most paragon of them all, since it ends the cycles forever by destroying the Reapers.

I play 100% paragon every playthrough, and I still chose destroy the first time.

If you think Control or Synthesis are somehow things a selfless paragon would do, you're just kidding yourself.

[Uncle Jo]

Simon_Says wrote...

Uncle Jo wrote...

I was trying to upload it from my own computer... Thought it could work... But if it doesn't add anything new then I won't do it...

Ah. Doesn't work that way I'm afraid. How could the forum let the world see what's on your computer?  Not as if Bioware's gonna spend disk space backing up your personal photos. Upload it to imgur or something. And yes, it's not new. But independent confirmation is always a good thing.

So I was way too naive... My bad... I'll just post the link then.

imgur.com/2fS2H

[Salient Archer]

Cables, Cables and more Cables.

EDIT: Open in a new tab to get a larger image size.

Modifié par Salient Archer, 08 mai 2012 - 03:48 .

[HellishFiend]

Simon_Says wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Well, I'm not buying it. I understand what you're saying, but I will not believe that nanid/tes are responsible for Shepard and Anderson losing partial motor to the Illusive man. I could type an essay on the various illogical implications that assumption creates, but I'll just leave it as my opinion, for whatever that's worth...

*rages with the fiery intensity of a thousand suns*

Sigh, raging over opinions is the reason trolls are so successful in this topic. 

Fine, delete the word nanid/tes from my post and you still have my sentiment on the matter. 

[Lokanaiya]

wsandista wrote...

The IT sucks because it punishes everyone who roleplayed a paragon instead of just metagamed

But weren't you metagaming just by picking the blue choice? After all, since when has Shepard known about the Paragon/Renegade colors? In fact, since Saren and TIM both have blue, glowing eyes, Shepard might match up blue to indoctrinated, not the "good" choice (which makes sense, given the choices). Blue and red as "good and evil" are only from the player's perspective.

[Simon_Says]

I think we've hit on the truth folks! The cables are most definitely generic.

Lokanaiya wrote...

wsandista wrote...

The IT sucks because it punishes everyone who roleplayed a paragon instead of just metagamed

But weren't you metagaming just by picking the blue choice? After all, since when has Shepard known about the Paragon/Renegade colors? In fact, since Saren and TIM both have blue, glowing eyes, Shepard might match up blue to indoctrinated, not the "good" choice (which makes sense, given the choices). Blue and red as "good and evil" are only from the player's perspective. [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/grin.png[/smilie]

Oh snap!

Modifié par Simon_Says, 08 mai 2012 - 03:56 .

[Salient Archer]

Before it gets missed <Cable shots are above>

[byne]

Simon_Says wrote...

I think we've hit on the truth folks! The cables are most definitely generic.

I wasnt paying attention. What were people trying to say the cables were?

Also, I just left the docking tube when boarding the geth ship, and there are two piles of those cables on the ground right when you leave the docking tube.

Edit: Also more piles of cables one you climb the ladder.

I bet they're all over this ship.

Modifié par byne, 08 mai 2012 - 03:52 .

[ZerebusPrime]

 So one of the things that bugged me about the demo was the lack of music in the opening quasi-tutorial level.  Mostly you hear strange whistling noises and the Reapers blowing up Vancouver.  I expected this to be fixed in the main game, but instead I found that it was left there.

And then I got to thninking about those strange whistling noises.  Ignore the Reaper horns for a moment.  Try to ignore Anderson's voice and the sound effects from Reaper energy weapons.  Focus on the weird stuff in the audio.  Memorize it.

Now tell me you can't hear it again here as part of the beam noise.

I know I could be fooling myself with this one, but I can't quite be sure.

Modifié par ZerebusPrime, 08 mai 2012 - 03:52 .

[Salient Archer]

Just that the Cables seen in the Shep breathing scene are just generic cables and are not of any particular origin. Which unfortunately makes the location of that scene even harder to pinpoint.

[Simon_Says]

HellishFiend wrote...

Simon_Says wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Well, I'm not buying it. I understand what you're saying, but I will not believe that nanid/tes are responsible for Shepard and Anderson losing partial motor to the Illusive man. I could type an essay on the various illogical implications that assumption creates, but I'll just leave it as my opinion, for whatever that's worth...

*rages with the fiery intensity of a thousand suns*

Sigh, raging over opinions is the reason trolls are so successful in this topic. 

Fine, delete the word nanid/tes from my post and you still have my sentiment on the matter.

The point's kind of moot if it was all a dream anyway right? Also I wasn't raging, if I was I'd probably use caps lock.

[Domanese]

wsandista wrote...

The IT sucks because it punishes everyone who roleplayed a paragon instead of just metagamed

And why is that? Because Destroy was a correct option as opposed to siding with the reapers logic and choosing to rely on their technology or worse yielding to their logic that the combination of flesh and synthetics is the final evolution? Synthesis won't be Joker having wild sex with EDI. We have seen what Synthesis is for us in Mass Effect 2 when the colonoists or your crew are processed into that Reaper Embryo.

Paragon or Renegade Shepard's main drive and motivation is to destroy the reapers and every one of your allies has been in full agreement with this and also hopes they will be destroyed. Even EDI and the Geth have this notion. 

No, when you roleplay as Shepard and put yourself behind his eyes and in his head destroy is the option you go for. Despite all the choices you make Shepards main motivation never changes. 

Modifié par Domanese, 08 mai 2012 - 03:56 .

[vixvicco]

byne wrote...

wsandista wrote...

The IT sucks because it punishes everyone who roleplayed a paragon instead of just metagamed

I dont see how. None of the three choices at the end are especially paragon.

Control: Enslavement of the Reapers. Enslaving a sapient race isnt very paragon.
Synthesis: Turning everyone in the galaxy into synthetic/organic hybrids, completely against their will. Also not too paragon.
Destroy: Killing the Reapers and destroying the Geth and EDI. If it werent for EDI and the Geth, you could make the argument that destroy is the most paragon of them all, since it ends the cycles forever by destroying the Reapers.

I play 100% paragon every playthrough, and I still chose destroy the first time.

If you think Control or Synthesis are somehow things a selfless paragon would do, you're just kidding yourself.

I don't see how its immoral to destroy the Geth or EDI. Its paragon even with them getting killed. They can be re-built. They're machines, they're not unique. EDI is a ship, the Geth were labour machines that got too smart.

Modifié par vixvicco, 08 mai 2012 - 03:56 .

[byne]

vixvicco wrote...

byne wrote...

wsandista wrote...

The IT sucks because it punishes everyone who roleplayed a paragon instead of just metagamed

I dont see how. None of the three choices at the end are especially paragon.

Control: Enslavement of the Reapers. Enslaving a sapient race isnt very paragon.
Synthesis: Turning everyone in the galaxy into synthetic/organic hybrids, completely against their will. Also not too paragon.
Destroy: Killing the Reapers and destroying the Geth and EDI. If it werent for EDI and the Geth, you could make the argument that destroy is the most paragon of them all, since it ends the cycles forever by destroying the Reapers.

I play 100% paragon every playthrough, and I still chose destroy the first time.

If you think Control or Synthesis are somehow things a selfless paragon would do, you're just kidding yourself.

I don't see how its immoral to get destroy the Geth or EDI. Its paragon even with them getting killed. They can be re-built. They're machines, they're not unique. EDI is  ship, the Geth were labour machines that got too smart.

They can be rebuilt, but they wont be the same.

Imagine Geth VI Legion instead of original Legion if he died on the Suicide mission, but on a galactic scale.

[Salient Archer]

Domanese wrote...

wsandista wrote...

The IT sucks because it punishes everyone who roleplayed a paragon instead of just metagamed

And why is that? Because Destroy was a correct option as opposed to siding with the reapers logic and choosing to rely on their technology or worse yielding to their logic that the combination of flesh and synthetics is the final evolution? Synthesis won't be Joker having wild sex with EDI. We have seen what Synthesis is for us in Mass Effect 2 when the colonoists or your crew are processed into that Reaper Embryo.

Paragon or Renegade Shepard's main drive and motivation is to destroy the reapers and every one of your allies has been in full agreement with this and also hopes they will be destroyed. Even EDI and the Geth have this notion. 

No, when you roleplay as Shepard and put yourself behind his eyes and in his head destroy is the option you go for. Despite all the choices you make Shepards main motivation never changes. 

It's kind of obvious it's a bad choice considering the only ones who think it's the best option are all indoctrinated ... hmm, not exactly the character refrence I would use for making that choice.

[HellishFiend]

Simon_Says wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Simon_Says wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Well, I'm not buying it. I understand what you're saying, but I will not believe that nanid/tes are responsible for Shepard and Anderson losing partial motor to the Illusive man. I could type an essay on the various illogical implications that assumption creates, but I'll just leave it as my opinion, for whatever that's worth...

*rages with the fiery intensity of a thousand suns*

Sigh, raging over opinions is the reason trolls are so successful in this topic. 

Fine, delete the word nanid/tes from my post and you still have my sentiment on the matter.

The point's kind of moot if it was all a dream anyway right? Also I wasn't raging, if I was I'd probably use caps lock.

Exactly. I'm convinced that entire sequence happened within the confines of Shepard's mind, so I'm really not all that inclined to put a ton of thought into formulating headcanon for how TIM was supposedly manipulating Shepard's body as if that scene were real. 

[Simon_Says]

vixvicco wrote...

I don't see how its immoral to destroy the Geth or EDI. Its paragon even with them getting killed. They can be re-built. They're machines, they're not unique. EDI is a ship, the Geth were labour machines that got too smart.

Hoo boy. Major values dissonance here. But still, the codex explains that typical AI's (including EDI) run on a 'quantum blue box.' Which means each runtime in it is objectively a unique system. Copying files or rebooting creates a new intelligence with all the unpredictable deviations that implies.

The Geth were originally an emergent intelligence which didn't have that issue, and we don't know what the exact deal is after they incorporate the reaper upgrades. Maybe they still are. Maybe each geth runtime is now like EDI. We don't know. But Legion's disemination implied that the Legion we knew is now dead, never to be seen again.

In either case destroying all the Geth destroys the Geth. They could be rebuilt, but it'd be a new race entirely.

Destroy is still paragon because both EDI and the Geth state quite clearly that they'd accept death over whatever the reapers offered.

So... yeah...

Modifié par Simon_Says, 08 mai 2012 - 04:04 .

[gunslinger_ruiz]

Salient Archer wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

Salient Archer wrote...

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I definitely agree on that, it's truly too hard to say where (s)he is with the evidence we're provided.

Where our opinions must diverge thought is that I don't totally agree that those cables are of reaper origin; I originally thought that they were from the citadel but then I started to notice cables that look exactly like them appearing in the multiplayer maps such as Ghost and Hydra.

For example on Hydra they can be seen going directly into the Reactor in the operations area, where as on Ghost they're found all over the floor leading into computer terminals, etc.

Considering these maps are controlled by the Alliance it's fairly safe to assume that the hardware found at these locations are Alliance as well.

*image snip*

Hydra description from wikia:
Firebase Hydra is located in an old abandoned quarian colony which humans took over when they originally settled the world of Ontarom. It has since been converted into a massive dam facility which powers the communications hub located at Firebase Dagger and the kinetic barrier which protects it. Without this critical power source, Systems Alliance communications within the entire theatre would go dark.

Please feel free to pick it apart but It was just something I started to notice after seeing your original post about them being cables and not rebar.

I highly doubt the cables in the breath scene are Geth or Quarian in origin. Reapers cables have been seen throughout the game at various locations used with their tech. Firebase Hydra may be Alliance controlled but a lot of it looks Geth/Quarian in construction, you can even see Geth hubs/pods in the area.

Here are some comparison images showing the Reaper cables during the end sequence:

Reaper cables on the Citadel:





Keep in mind the differences in size.

Reaper cables in the breath scene:





I'm working on more comparison shots showing the Breath scene rubble and London rubble similarities. More on that later.

Fair enough, I do see the similarity and I'm not saying where the cables are from exactly, maybe they are of Reaper origin it’s just the cables they’ve used on the firebase ghost and hydra maps are identical to the ones in the breath scene. (Multicore in the middle with looms covering ever 2nd inch)

Having said that, they are also clearly the same as the ones shown in the images you've just posted.

Unfortunately I don't have a capture card to show you the cables I'm talking about, but if you have the time, try playing Hydra and go to the control room or Ghost and go into room 5 on the left side of the map and using a scope zoom in.

PS: I'd also like to say I really do appreciate the input and time you put into the forum.

EDIT: Assuming the scenes in this part of the game could be a construct in Shepard's head, could that explain why they're the same? If this is the case, Shepard would have to pull the images from somewhere right?

I've seen the cables you're talking about and seen them posted. If anything it shows that Geth and Reapers use similar "cables" and that Reapers use cables throughout the galaxy in construction. Why those cables are on Benning I don't know, although it does look like Cerberus was hooking things up to the computer systems in that room, maybe gathering intel or just using the computer systems.

And thanks I try to participate from a logical standpoints.

Shepard's breath is supposed to be seen as Shepard waking up from the hallucination, so the scene itself wouldn't be a hallucination from that perspective. The only other way to view the breath scene is at face-value, Shepard somehow survived the numerous explosions and landed on Earth in a pile of London concrete rubble and Reaper tech/cables.

[Golferguy758]

Haha oh man. First time I try to actually catch up on the thread in a week and the cycle continues. Seriously, people are still saying there is a mountain of evidence saying IT is false without posting it? Eh, commence cycle 84 in this thread, I suppose.

In other news, running on 3 hours of sleep a night for the past week due to work has made me single-handedly increase Dunkin' Donuts stock several percent due to the amount of coffee I have ingested from there.

[Salient Archer]

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

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I've seen the cables you're talking about and seen them posted. If anything it shows that Geth and Reapers use similar "cables" and that Reapers use cables throughout the galaxy in construction. Why those cables are on Benning I don't know, although it does look like Cerberus was hooking things up to the computer systems in that room, maybe gathering intel or just using the computer systems.

And thanks I try to participate from a logical standpoints.

Shepard's breath is supposed to be seen as Shepard waking up from the hallucination, so the scene itself wouldn't be a hallucination from that perspective. The only other way to view the breath scene is at face-value, Shepard somehow survived the numerous explosions and landed on Earth in a pile of London concrete rubble and Reaper tech/cables.

Sorry, I should have clarified better, I didn't mean he's breathing scene as being a hallucination, I meant the scenes taking place inside the citadel are. I also agree that Shepard waking up takes place on earth in the rubble of london. 

As for the alternative: I actually posted agessss ago how it's physically impossible from a scientific stand-point to survive a gigaton explosion, survive in a vacuum without the appropriate gear for any longer than 90 seconds and that even at a speed that would make it safe for Shepard to reenter the atmosphere it would take him 13 hours to travel from the Citadel’s location to reach earth. This isn’t even mentioning how he managed to not burn up during reentry or how he survived the 200mile drop to the ground once he did.

So in the face of all that science, I think it’s much easier to believe that a man can be hallucinating a form of reality, considering we’ve seen that people can hallucinate, where as having god-mode and self propelled space flight not so much.

EDIT: format

Modifié par Salient Archer, 08 mai 2012 - 04:20 .

[gunslinger_ruiz]

Salient Archer wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

***snip***

I've seen the cables you're talking about and seen them posted. If anything it shows that Geth and Reapers use similar "cables" and that Reapers use cables throughout the galaxy in construction. Why those cables are on Benning I don't know, although it does look like Cerberus was hooking things up to the computer systems in that room, maybe gathering intel or just using the computer systems.

And thanks I try to participate from a logical standpoints.

Shepard's breath is supposed to be seen as Shepard waking up from the hallucination, so the scene itself wouldn't be a hallucination from that perspective. The only other way to view the breath scene is at face-value, Shepard somehow survived the numerous explosions and landed on Earth in a pile of London concrete rubble and Reaper tech/cables.

Sorry, I should have clarified better, I didn't mean he's breathing scene as being a hallucination, I meant the scenes taking place inside the citadel are. I also agree that Shepard waking up takes place on earth in the rubble of london. 

As for the alternative: I actually posted agessss ago how it's physically impossible from a scientific stand-point to survive a gigaton explosion, survive in a vacuum without the appropriate gear for any longer than 90 seconds and that even at a speed that would make it safe for Shepard to reenter the atmosphere it would take him 13 hours to travel from the Citadel’s location to reach earth. This isn’t even mentioning how he managed to not burn up during reentry or how he survived the 200mile drop to the ground once he did.

So in the face of all that science, I think it’s much easier to believe that a man can be hallucinating a form of reality, considering we’ve seen that people can hallucinate, where as having god-mode and self propelled space flight not so much.

EDIT: format

That's the main reason all those reaper cables are getting me caught up on the Breath scene. There's NO WAY Shepard could have survived that many explosions on the Citadel and still draw breath, there wouldn't even be a body left. The only way Shepard could survive is if he/she had shuttle/fighter strength kinetic barriers all of a sudden and even then that's iffy. The breath scene cannot take place on the Citadel since the massive explosions take place at the base of the Citadel where Shepard makes the choices. Playing through the ending levels again to see if i can spot Reaper cables in London, that'll settle me down for a bit.

[Arian Dynas]

 [quote]Earthborn_Shepard wrote...
[quote]Golferguy758 wrote...

[quote]Arian Dynas wrote...

[quote]Golferguy758 wrote...

Oh hi guys, How's it goin?[/quote]

Oh hai golfergai! Yew arr looking especially beotefull and sexee todaeh.

YOU ARE TEARING ME APART INDOCTRINATION THEORY!

/Wiseau

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Oh God, why? Not The Room! Anything but The Room!

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Ohai, guys.

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You didn't get the promotion, did you?

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YOUR'RE TEARING ME APART INES! Er uh... Lisa... 

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[quote]Fingertrip wrote...

[quote]paxxton wrote...

I was just replaying the beginning of ME2. If Harbinger wants Shepard alive, why kill him then? Or did he make up his mind later on?[/quote]

I think there's a quote where he specifically say that keeping Shepard is quite crucial, if possible. You know, they're going to find another way of harvesting the galaxy, it might take abit longer- and they might take a few losses, which they'd probably would like to avoid.



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“Preserve Shepard's body if possible.”
“Neutralize Commander Shepard.”
“If I must tear you apart, Shepard, I will.”
You cannot escape your destiny, Shepard.”
“Why do you resist us, Shepard?”

Other lovely quotes by Harby that fill you with joy and warm fuzzies.

“We are your genetic destiny.”
“You do not yet comprehend your place in things.”“We are the Harbinger of your perfection.”“You are ignorant, we are knowing.”“We are the Harbinger of your ascendance.”“You have merely delayed the inevitable.”“The experiments will continue, Shepard.”
“Take what is useful, destroy the rest.”
“Progress cannot be halted.”“We are the Harbinger of your destiny.”
“Your worlds will become our laboratories.”
"Your worlds will become our lavatory"[/quote]
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Don't make me get out my theory on the Reaper's creation and their motivations again... I'm sick of getting in debates with Rifneno about his "Harbinger is the Prothean Reaper" theory.

[quote]Rifneno wrote...
*snip*

Ironically, the worst is actually part of BioWare now. Mythic "Entertainment". EA bought both and put Mythic under BW's umbrella. Mythic made Dark Age of Camelot, the worst game ever. That game is less fun than cancer.[/quote]


Fable 3.

That is all.

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[quote]Domanese wrote...

[quote]Domanese wrote...
*snip* well written dissertation on the moral implications of the face-value choices in the ending *snip*[/quote]

Figures. Second I post something meaningful no one on the other side wants a crack at it.

Victory by forfeit! [/quote]

Posts like these usually dont get many comments because they are quite long to read and already match the sentiments of the majority of the people in this topic. We all agree - and there isnt much to say in the way of comments at this point. We definitely do appreciate it when people chime in and add to the consensus, though!

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We are building consensus, Shepard-Commander.

[quote]wsandista wrote...

The IT sucks because it punishes everyone who roleplayed a paragon instead of just metagamed[/quote]

Ugh, not this again.

It doesn't "punish" you for one, it merely means that you get a different result. Would you say the suicide mission was "punishment" every time your incompetence was rewarded with a squadmate's death?

Second off, learn what "roleplaying" means, it's not mechanically choosing an option because it's in blue. Morever actually ROLEPLAYING a paragon, you would notice the implications of each.

Control: I compromise my integrity, sacrifice the soul of our species by knuckling under to the browbeating of a force whom could just as easily be the enemy as anything else and adopt the tactics of an enemy.

Synthesis: I forcibly convert the entire galaxy to a new form of life, against their will without their permission or consent, even though the Geth explicitly stated they preferred to "make their own future, rather than have it given to them".

Destroy: I stick to my guns, following the goal I've had established for three games by this point, and wipe out a species of the most horrible and unecessarily cruel war criminals imaginable. 

[quote]Uncle Jo wrote...

Sorry to bump in. I was playing the Derelict Reaper Mission in ME2 and watching the log videos of the scientists... One sentence got my attention : "..they are in my dreams.." Maybe every one heard it already, but I put it here just in case... And for the Reaper cables here a screenshot...


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[quote]TribalZodiacWLF wrote...

The only reason they are doing an extension is just because EA was named the worst company of 2011 and they are trying to clean the **** stains off the bed but EA is keeping the ending and is just giving an explanation but no explanation if the indoctrination theory is true but they do say that they can rebuild the mass relays with remaining reaper tech (so they probably aren't going to use the ID Theory). You know I've hated EA's war on used games and they just are fueling fires.[/quote]

WOW! What an intelligent and well reasoned argument that is absolutely not just you spewing your hatred for a company that you only have a general concept about and have no actual involvement in! 

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[quote]duranii wrote...

To be honest, I was a firm believer in the indoctrination theory until I decided to research the facts and saw the other side of the coin. There's more ACTUAL evidence AGAINST the theory than there is FOR it. A lot of the IT relies on speculation and what I call "leaps of logic."

This video was pretty much the last straw that caused me to completely doubt the indoctrination theory. View it fully. It was well made in my opinion:

Skip to 3:30 to see the most damning evidence against the theory if you don't want to see the whole thing. Thing is, the things that disprove the theory can actually be seen and confirmed as fact because they ACTUALLY HAPPEN IN GAME.[/quote]

Do you mind pointing out what it says? Can't watch videos at the moment....

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Interesting but doesn't completely debunk IT. The guard could be  looking at the child, could easily have been looking to see if the shuttle was taking off. The doors waiting and shuttle taking off could have been waiting for an opening in the sky to try and fly through. Even so, the presence of the child in the vent and disappearing as soon as Shepard turns away to Anderson is, if anything, eerie and seems like a possible hallucination.

While you can see groove marking in places on the citadel and the crucible you can also see them in London on various buildings and rubble and columns. The rubble you see in Shepard's breath is clearly concrete and not anything metallic in nature like the structures you see in the "Decision Chamber". The tube shown in that video doesn't match at all with the object shown. the giant tube is cylindrical in shape and has various cables inside of it while the object behind Shepard is octagonal in shape and looks to be made of conrete on the inside.

As I have said numerous time Reaper cable can be seen primarily on the Dark Corridor protion of hte Citadel, with some on the Crucible area, if there's any on Earth I haven't seen it. But I have only seen the rubble in Shepard's breath on Earth and matched the grooves with various London rubble. Confusing to say the least.
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Just to point out, you yourself have said that the cables are ubiquitous to Reaper Tech, what were we charging toward in the first place down in London? OH YEAH, A BIG HONKING PIECE OF REAPER TECH!

[quote]Salient Archer wrote...

[quote]DJBare wrote...

Guess I will have to post it again, from the Final Hours app
*snip*
Whether they decide to pick it up again in the EC remains to be seen.


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but yet it never mentions that they scrapped Shepard being indoctrinated, but it does prove that he always was going to be.

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Once again, I cite my years DMing.

I will repeat myself one more time. WHERE I RUNNING A GAME WITH SOMETHING LIKE INDOCTRINATION IN IT, I WOULD NOT USE A MECHANIC, I WOULD TRICK THE PLAYERS DIRECTLY.


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[quote]Big Bad wrote...


Yeah, the fact that so many things about the game appear to be the exact opposite of what was promised leaves me kind of suspicious.  Then again, maybe I'm just an optimist.  

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Aren't we all, here?

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I've never understood the prejudice against optimism, personally. 

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Some think it means that you're blind to truth and reframe reality to suit you needs.  They're wrong, of course (serial optimist with a side of realist---here). 

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"Don't be afraid to be a fool. Remember, you cannot be both young and wise. Young people who pretend to be wise to the ways of the world are mostly just cynics. Cynicism masquerades as wisdom, but it is the farthest thing from it. Because cynics don't learn anything. Because cynicism is a self-imposed blindness, a rejection of the world because we are afraid it will hurt us, or disappoint us. Cynics always say no. But saying yes begins things. Saying yes is how things grow. Saying yes leads to knowledge. "Yes" is for young people. So for as long as you have the strength to, say yes."

- Stephen Colbert 

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[quote]MegumiAzusa wrote...

[quote]dreamgazer wrote...

If/when the indoctrination theory proves to the correct, I think BioWare should release a sheet of "clues" that points other (non-believer) players in the direction of what to look for when navigating through the game---kinda like the DVD insert that's included with David Lynch's Mulholland Drive. I think it'd be slick if they actually printed the list out and tossed it in the GOTY edition, or whatever trilogy set gets released. Not really a profuse hand-holding guide like the first post in this thread, but a checklist of things to watch for when playing that allows the player to "get" it on their own with a little suggestion/shoulder-nudging. 

If you could make a list of, say, ten or twelve straightforward things to keep an eye out for, what would they be? [/quote]
That would be quite interesting, but even if it's untrue I would say they placed some stuff intentionally to make the player think shep might be indoctrinated, which would also ask for such a list [/quote]

I agree. (thumbs up)
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Hmm I'll work on a list. 

[quote]Salient Archer wrote...

[quote]Salient Archer wrote...

Lets play spot the similarities Firebase Ghost edition.

From Shepard Lives scene:


From Firebase Ghost:


PS: 'Shepard Lives' is a CGI rendered scene, which means all images are very deliberately decided upon and will not be reusing in-game textures or objects

Where as Firebase Ghost is naturally an in-game map.

Now I'm not saying that Shepard magically ended up in Firebase Ghost or anything like that, but what I am trying to get at is that the materials we see in the cinematic are of natural design and are clearly just cables and broken cement.[/quote]

Boo, no-one played my game... [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/sad.png[/smilie]

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Let's play another game. London Edition this time;


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[quote]Golferguy758 wrote...

Haha oh man. First time I try to actually catch up on the thread in a week and the cycle continues. Seriously, people are still saying there is a mountain of evidence saying IT is false without posting it? Eh, commence cycle 84 in this thread, I suppose.

In other news, running on 3 hours of sleep a night for the past week due to work has made me single-handedly increase Dunkin' Donuts stock several percent due to the amount of coffee I have ingested from there.[/quote]

HOPE IS IRRELEVANT.

Every time the try we become stronger and make a capital ship from the smoking remains of their arguments  

Modifié par Arian Dynas, 08 mai 2012 - 04:32 .

[Simon_Says]

Golferguy758 wrote...

Haha oh man. First time I try to actually catch up on the thread in a week and the cycle continues. Seriously, people are still saying there is a mountain of evidence saying IT is false without posting it? Eh, commence cycle 84 in this thread, I suppose.

In other news, running on 3 hours of sleep a night for the past week due to work has made me single-handedly increase Dunkin' Donuts stock several percent due to the amount of coffee I have ingested from there.

Welcome back. Alas it seems to be a little slow at the moment. And yes, 'mountains' of evidence which we're quickly kicking over. At least it bumps the thread.

In other news, I just had the realization for why TIM's indoctrination went into overdrive between 2 and 3: the proto-reaper. Seriously, I didn't realize it until literally three minutes ago. *smacks forehead*

@Arian: None of my posts deserved a response? Hrm, I guess I have to try harder... engage booze-mode! (starts coming up with something completely insane yet relevent to talk about)

Modifié par Simon_Says, 08 mai 2012 - 04:39 .