Afalstein wrote...
Arian Dynas wrote...
Indoctrination is NOT mind control.
It is mental manipulation, also known as "Sugguestion"
At least, slow indoctrination is, like that undergone by Saren and TIM.
SLOW Indoctrination is mental manipulation, slowly nudging the thought processes of an individual at a basic level until they align with your own.
"We beleive that 1 +1 =2. Heretics belive that 1+2 = 3."
The most basic mental processes are manipulated, causing a cascade, a domino affect in higher cognitive processes.
It requres appeals. They appealed to TIM's desire for control and lust for power, but he could not understand the Reapers motives, hence he was only a tool to them, something to be controlled. They appealed to Saren's cowardice, logic, and in a way, philanthropy, he wanted to save lives and benefit others, as well as not die himself, so, by Synthesis, they made him believe cooperation was the method of survival. Shepard, they appealed to his Heroism, his self-sacrificing desire to save others, hence why they made Destroy a "sacrifice others to destroy us" to make it unappealing to him, and why they claimed Synthesis would save everyone, to make it the most appealing of all.
Indoctrination isn't damning because it makes you do things you don't want to do. It's damning because it makes you want to do them.
...Right. So why cloak such a subtle, basic process in something as blatant and obvious as a three-way glowing choice system? Why make things so simple and clear-cut for such an insidious process? Indoctrination is never presented anywhere else as a "choice," why should it suddenly start being one for Shepard?
"Suggestion" wouldn't involve killing off some part of you--say, your free will--because it's not straight-forward control. It would affect how you viewed the world, certainly, but it would leave you essentially intact. You'd wake up completely normal, without any idea that anything had happened.
Um... because it is neither blatant nor obvious? If it were, we wouldn't be having so many people taking the ending at face value would we? The thing is the Reapers know they can't A). Force Shepard to do anything, doing so would ruin him and his potential and completely render the whole process pointless, hence why they need to be patient.
. They know thay can't simply appeal to Shepard, like they did Saren, he'd shoot them down without a second thought. C). They need to trick him.
Basically the catalyst scene amounts to something like this;
Which would you prefer as a leader?
A man who gets drunk nearly hourly? Or one who drinks moderately, if at all, and only ever drinks beer.
Which would your prefer? A leader who is a man fond of meat and enjoys large, lavish meals that he tucks into with gusto? Or a man whom is a vegetarian, is fond of animals, dogs especially and is generally kind to them?
A man known for his sharp tongue, tendency toward promiscuity and proclivity for male chauvanism? Or a gentleman, whom treats proper women with honor and grace, staying loyal to only one woman most of his life?
Would you prefer a man whom is a boorish, rude and many times crude retired soldier? Or a soulful Austrian painter, known for his landscapes?
Congratulations, if you picked the second option every time, you just chose Adolf Hitler over Winston Churchill. Now he doesn't seem so bad huh?
Indoctrination doesn't "kill your free will". It comes down to one thing. People like to see themselves as consistent. Sometimes, when a person is incapable of rationalizing their actions with their sense of self, they enter a state know as Automatism, wherein they hold no control over their own body, their mind basically checking out.
In Saren's case, he couldn't handle the image of himself that he had fashioned being challenged. So he killed himself (if you talked him to death) His free will was never harmed, merely his sense of self.
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