Hey guys, great thread. Have been following it almost the whole time, but haven't posted so far.
But now one thing came to my mind regarding the limited
choices at low EMS. If Destroy is the "right" decision, why is it possible to have control as your only option?
I always felt, that destoying the collector base was the "right" choice. Maybe destroying it was not just the renegade-option(more renegade or paragon points would have no effect at this point of ME2 anyway). Maybe keeping it is merely just the TIM-option(first small step towards indoctrination) and yeah we can all see what TIM has become later on.
But what actually were the consequences of this decission? Besides well... Collector Base goes
Red or
Blue Explosion (sounds familiar?).
Is it possible that the decission of destoying the collector base is some kind of pre or baby-version of the cruicible desicissions?
So how did this pretty important decission effect ME3 after all? Well I see it this way:
If you got low EMS, AND kept the collector base you pretty much ****ed up twice and thus get only the most ****ty option.
But of course a decission from ME2 can't after all keep you from getting the "good" end in ME3, (as otherwise they would force you to play ME2 (and maybe even ME1) again to get your wanted import with Wrex etc.), so if your EMS is high enough, you still get the other options.
So in a nutshell: At low EMS:
Blue in ME2 -> Blue in ME3Red in ME2 -> Red in ME3I have to admit, that this does not really require, support or contradicts IT in any way. (As even without IT destroy remains the ending wich makes the most sence.) Even without control being a bad ending at all, it would still make some sence.
About IT:
The indoctrination theory blew my mind like nothing else in years! After some minutes of Acavyos video I was like: O.O !
But today I must confess I am not really 100% into IT anymore (shame on me, but after all I think the most important thing to learn from the whole issue should be to be sceptical and don't believe things to quickly).
Regardless I like the theory very much. More because what you awesome guys have come up with: a masterpiece of creativity and investigation (great job!), than the actual implications and evidence. It is very important, that companys react to feedback and they don't get away with a ****ty ending like that. So future games won't repeat the mistake.
I think it IS possible, that the EC will turn out as IT, but not necesarry. My main problem is, the part on the citadel with TIM and Anderson. If all this was an Illusion/IT attempt, then how could the storry resolve? Sheppard wakes up and the *real* fight goes on. You enter the citadel again, this time the *real* one, team up with the *real* Anderson and finally a big showdown with the *real* TIM. really? oO ?
And the whole deeply emotional TIM/Anderson part before becoming pretty pointless and disappointing from there on. Isn't this strange and odd from a storrytelling point of view?
This is no matter of proof or disprove and highly subjective. But for me that points makes me rather think, that IT wasn't really intended, at least in the form presented here. (But I still like it and hope it turns out to be true and thus Bioware as most badass genius gamedevelopers out there.) After all it is too much to be just coincidences.
Maybe Indoctrination starts with Harbys beam, but the part with TIM and Anderson at least still happened, with shep slowly loosing control. And when going up (ascending? wtf? it's late) to Star-Bieber the real illusion starts. (Yes this would have some problems of its own as the absurdly unreal citadel interior, but appears more convincing to me.)
About the zealotry for IT:Well I understand that one can get angry about trolls(but after all, that is a win for them).
As a guy who studied sience-theory, let me say you one thing: there is actually NOTHING to be proven here, as ME is not reality after all. I think several guys here want to WIN the fight for IT, but well it won't work that way. Because after all, it is Biowares decision and not a matter of proving it, like a sientific theory or fact. Speculation is fine and fun (dipping into mistery, finding hints, lifting secrets), but keep in mind, its about fiction, not facts.
omfg didn't want to write that much, keep up the great work guys
@lex0r11: When the speculation ends, I will indeed be sad, because I will miss your posts so much!
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