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[balance5050]

TSA_383 wrote...

Made a thread for the video.
****storm in 3...2...

Snap, I'll be over there.

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

MrDavid wrote...

Um, I know this has been answered before but could someone explain how the VI on Thessia can't tell that Shepard is indoctrinated?

The same way the Protheans were brought down from the inside by Indoctrinated Sleeper Agents (as told by both the Vi and Javik) the VI´s were not perfect or flawless (else sleeper agents wouldnt have been a problem right?)

Also there is a difference between beeing in the process of Indoctrination and actually Indoctrinated. While Shepard may be drawing close, it is not until the very end (accoding to the IT) that the Reapers try to push Shepard over the egde and into outright control.

[johnj1979]

IF the ending is a hallucination doesn't that mean that the whole game takes place in Sheppard’s mind because of the child that Shepard doesn't that under mind the whole game.

Also with the hallucination doesn't that there has to be two more games to explain what happened to Shepard to get into that position and then what happen to Shepard after the hallucination and to me the same would have to be said for the indoctrination theory, this it just because there are way too many unknowns in the story of the game.

[balance5050]

johnj1979 wrote...

IF the ending is a hallucination doesn't that mean that the whole game takes place in Sheppard’s mind because of the child that Shepard doesn't that under mind the whole game.

Also with the hallucination doesn't that there has to be two more games to explain what happened to Shepard to get into that position and then what happen to Shepard after the hallucination and to me the same would have to be said for the indoctrination theory, this it just because there are way too many unknowns in the story of the game.

Read the OP again.

[MaximizedAction]

TSA_383 wrote...

Made a thread for the video.
****storm in 3...2...

Badas*fully: Prepare yourselves.........winter is coming.

[EpyonX3]

MaximizedAction wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

 He's talking about the ending A LOT right here considering the game isn't even done yet:

http://www.youtube.c...g5xltLkk#t=291s 

I saw this before. I don't see how this confirms IT. He just says the ending will be on the disk and the DLC will make sense according to how it ends. If anything he confirms post ending DLC.

Post-ending DLC is implied by IT.
BTW, is "post-ending DLC" an oxymoron or not?

Well, the Arrival was meant to be post ending DLC. After the collectors are dealt with, you meant Harby face to face for the most epic staredown of all time. Of course they prepared it for the event that you play it before you end the game but it's intentions was for after the end.

Post-ending DLC for ME3 could be something similar, only available to those with a live shepard.

[Stigweird85]

After that last video I started looking at other videos with him:

http://youtu.be/y1fUHyYmhhk?t=2m18s

"At the end of this he will either win or lose against the reapers"

I'm going to start digging for things, somebody somewhere has had to say something surely?

Modifié par bigstig, 08 mai 2012 - 08:55 .

[EpyonX3]

balance5050 wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

 He's talking about the ending A LOT right here considering the game isn't even done yet:

http://www.youtube.c...g5xltLkk#t=291s 

Hehe, I created a poll about this video some time ago.

Notice that he rather says "I CAN tell you that the ending of the game...". It's the damn first comment and the desperation back then that made a "can tell" into a "can't tell".

But whatever he's actually saying, as balance5050 wrote, he IS talking about it quite a lot. Especially odd about it, why would he even mention something like this...doesn't it go without saying that the ending will be on the disc?

Remember guys, with DLCs, an ending on the discs isn't neccessarily the ending to the game. And maybe this is what happened. After all, this was my second thought after I whitnessed the ending: wtf, did I get a wrong version?

Possibly in response to Javik being a DLC character even though there are peices of Javik already on the disc. So what else is going to be DLC that has peices on the disc? Will the ending be one of them?

This was back in summer of 2011, Javic wasn't an issue so couldn't have possibly been a "response"

Fair enough.

[MaximizedAction]

EpyonX3 wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

 He's talking about the ending A LOT right here considering the game isn't even done yet:

http://www.youtube.c...g5xltLkk#t=291s 

I saw this before. I don't see how this confirms IT. He just says the ending will be on the disk and the DLC will make sense according to how it ends. If anything he confirms post ending DLC.

Post-ending DLC is implied by IT.
BTW, is "post-ending DLC" an oxymoron or not?

Well, the Arrival was meant to be post ending DLC. After the collectors are dealt with, you meant Harby face to face for the most epic staredown of all time. Of course they prepared it for the event that you play it before you end the game but it's intentions was for after the end.

Post-ending DLC for ME3 could be something similar, only available to those with a live shepard.

Exactly, so what kind of story would you expect for a "post-ending" DLC? Shep just getting up, and, say, take back Omega? Alone? He needs his squad. But they're gon, aren't they?
And we come again full circle back to IT.

So one way or the other, you'll need your squad back, or at least the Normandy or some familiar faces to do a mission. So the ending on the discs won't be an ending anymore, therefore not really being a "Post-ending" DLC. See the problem?

I didn't really get the vibe that Arrival was post-ending. You just get slightly different dialog and a different Harbinger projection at the end.

[jojon2se]

MrDavid wrote...

Um, I know this has been answered before but could someone explain how the VI on Thessia can't tell that Shepard is indoctrinated?

(S)he isn't. (S)he is in the process of being influenced. Certain thoughts, moods, dreams are "encouraged" and others suppressed, but (s)he is still very much her/himself.

[paxxton]

balance5050 wrote...

johnj1979 wrote...

IF the ending is a hallucination doesn't that mean that the whole game takes place in Sheppard’s mind because of the child that Shepard doesn't that under mind the whole game.

Also with the hallucination doesn't that there has to be two more games to explain what happened to Shepard to get into that position and then what happen to Shepard after the hallucination and to me the same would have to be said for the indoctrination theory, this it just because there are way too many unknowns in the story of the game.

Read the OP again.

I consider a situation where Shepard never got up from the floor in Vancouver HQ very interesting. That would mean the whole game is just a hallucination. Why would only Shepard and Anderson survive the blast?

Modifié par paxxton, 08 mai 2012 - 09:08 .

[johnj1979]

If it is indocuination then when does in happen becuase Shepard sees the child before the Reapers come the Earth.

In the previous games indooctrination happens over days and weeks and when a person is inside a Repear or close to a Reapers artifact

With the Illusive Mans eyes it looks like he has them in the comic Mass Effect Evolution.

[EpyonX3]

MaximizedAction wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

 He's talking about the ending A LOT right here considering the game isn't even done yet:

http://www.youtube.c...g5xltLkk#t=291s 

I saw this before. I don't see how this confirms IT. He just says the ending will be on the disk and the DLC will make sense according to how it ends. If anything he confirms post ending DLC.

Post-ending DLC is implied by IT.
BTW, is "post-ending DLC" an oxymoron or not?

Well, the Arrival was meant to be post ending DLC. After the collectors are dealt with, you meant Harby face to face for the most epic staredown of all time. Of course they prepared it for the event that you play it before you end the game but it's intentions was for after the end.

Post-ending DLC for ME3 could be something similar, only available to those with a live shepard.

Exactly, so what kind of story would you expect for a "post-ending" DLC? Shep just getting up, and, say, take back Omega? Alone? He needs his squad. But they're gon, aren't they?
And we come again full circle back to IT.

So one way or the other, you'll need your squad back, or at least the Normandy or some familiar faces to do a mission. So the ending on the discs won't be an ending anymore, therefore not really being a "Post-ending" DLC. See the problem?

I didn't really get the vibe that Arrival was post-ending. You just get slightly different dialog and a different Harbinger projection at the end.

OK Context time. let's rewind the video a bit and look back a what was said.

"Where that dlc sits. With each mass efect game there's a very slightly different story structure. The fist game was more like the hero's journey, the second was kind of the dirty dozen story, this one is more of a war(warrior?) story. So in that context the DLC makes sense.

I can tell you that the end of the story will be on the disc, but given the terms there's a bit of a different you know the way that we're structuring the story is different so you'll see why the DLC plugs in where it does."

This actually does not confirm post ending DLC. He's just making it clear that the DLC can be anywhere in the story and that that place in the story will make sense and not break the pace or the end result, which will be on the disc.

Some could argue that the arrival is the true ending to ME 3 because it's set a few months before ME3. So what he's saying here is that the end will be on the dics and wherevever the dlc plugs into, it will make sense to the story.

Like Javik for example.

Modifié par EpyonX3, 08 mai 2012 - 09:09 .

[balance5050]

johnj1979 wrote...

If it is indocuination then when does in happen becuase Shepard sees the child before the Reapers come the Earth.

In the previous games indooctrination happens over days and weeks and when a person is inside a Repear or close to a Reapers artifact

With the Illusive Mans eyes it looks like he has them in the comic Mass Effect Evolution.

For the sake of simplicity, it's possible that the kid could have been real in Vancouver, but he's not real in your dreams obviously and most certainly not in the end sequence.

Few have spent more time around reaper tech than Shepard.

[paxxton]

balance5050 wrote...

Few have spent more time around reaper tech than Shepard.

And his squadmates.

[EpyonX3]

paxxton wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Few have spent more time around reaper tech than Shepard.

And his squadmates.

And ship mates.

[byne]

EpyonX3 wrote...

Some could argue that the arrival is the true ending to ME 3 because it's set a few months before ME3. So what he's saying here is that the end will be on the dics and wherevever the dlc plugs into, it will make sense to the story.

Like Javik for example.

My internet is out for 8 hours and I come back and the first thing I see is Epyon claiming Arrival is the end of ME3?

Oh typos, you so crazy.

[paxxton]

EpyonX3 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Few have spent more time around reaper tech than Shepard.

And his squadmates.

And ship mates.

And the fishes from the captain's cabin.  

Modifié par paxxton, 08 mai 2012 - 09:15 .

[EpyonX3]

MaximizedAction wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

 He's talking about the ending A LOT right here considering the game isn't even done yet:

http://www.youtube.c...g5xltLkk#t=291s 

I saw this before. I don't see how this confirms IT. He just says the ending will be on the disk and the DLC will make sense according to how it ends. If anything he confirms post ending DLC.

Post-ending DLC is implied by IT.
BTW, is "post-ending DLC" an oxymoron or not?

Well, the Arrival was meant to be post ending DLC. After the collectors are dealt with, you meant Harby face to face for the most epic staredown of all time. Of course they prepared it for the event that you play it before you end the game but it's intentions was for after the end.

Post-ending DLC for ME3 could be something similar, only available to those with a live shepard.

Exactly, so what kind of story would you expect for a "post-ending" DLC? Shep just getting up, and, say, take back Omega? Alone? He needs his squad. But they're gon, aren't they?
And we come again full circle back to IT.

So one way or the other, you'll need your squad back, or at least the Normandy or some familiar faces to do a mission. So the ending on the discs won't be an ending anymore, therefore not really being a "Post-ending" DLC. See the problem?

I didn't really get the vibe that Arrival was post-ending. You just get slightly different dialog and a different Harbinger projection at the end.

And to answer your post. We don't have to leave earth. Perhaps there are still pockets of reapers that managed to get out of the blast. Or shepard recovering looking around a recovering earth, picking up tags and relics like he did in ME2.

[jojon2se]

johnj1979 wrote...

If it is indocuination then when does in happen becuase Shepard sees the child before the Reapers come the Earth.

In the previous games indooctrination happens over days and weeks and when a person is inside a Repear or close to a Reapers artifact

With the Illusive Mans eyes it looks like he has them in the comic Mass Effect Evolution.

The child on Earth is real and dies in the shuttle. Every subsequent appearence is in dream or hallucination and out of Shepard's own psyche and used in the long-term and relatively subtle indoctrination process: encourage any doubt, or guilt, or whatever, that is already there.

(EDIT: Actual "takeover" of Shepard's mind never happens. The whole end sequence is a sort of final persuation attempt.)

Modifié par jojon2se, 08 mai 2012 - 09:17 .

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

paxxton wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

johnj1979 wrote...

IF the ending is a hallucination doesn't that mean that the whole game takes place in Sheppard’s mind because of the child that Shepard doesn't that under mind the whole game.

Also with the hallucination doesn't that there has to be two more games to explain what happened to Shepard to get into that position and then what happen to Shepard after the hallucination and to me the same would have to be said for the indoctrination theory, this it just because there are way too many unknowns in the story of the game.

Read the OP again.

I consider a situation where Shepard never got up from the floor in Vancouver HQ very interesting. That would mean the whole game is just a hallucination. Why would only Shepard and Anderson survive the blast?

Because they are trained military, because they were faster at diving for cover and most importantly because they had Kinetic Barrier Generators in their clothing (as seen by the fact that you have shields as you fight your way to the Normandy). And no that is not impossible, just try reading the Shadow Brokers entry on how to kill TIM...gives some insight into that fancy suit TIM is wearing

[MaximizedAction]

byne wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Some could argue that the arrival is the true ending to ME 3 because it's set a few months before ME3. So what he's saying here is that the end will be on the dics and wherevever the dlc plugs into, it will make sense to the story.

Like Javik for example.

My internet is out for 8 hours and I come back and the first thing I see is Epyon claiming Arrival is the end of ME3?

Oh typos, you so crazy.

Heeeehehehe [/Grunt]

Check out our (somewhat) second front: social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/11940879/1

[EpyonX3]

paxxton wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Few have spent more time around reaper tech than Shepard.

And his squadmates.

And ship mates.

And the fishes from the captain's cabin.  

And his hamster.

[llbountyhunter]

paxxton wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Few have spent more time around reaper tech than Shepard.

And his squadmates.

Thats the point of arrival. Bioware may of added a "oh here what happened" to those who didn't play it explanation, but I'm pretty sure if anyone asks bioware when the indoctrination started, they would say arrival.

[EpyonX3]

byne wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Some could argue that the arrival is the true ending to ME 3 because it's set a few months before ME3. So what he's saying here is that the end will be on the dics and wherevever the dlc plugs into, it will make sense to the story.

Like Javik for example.

My internet is out for 8 hours and I come back and the first thing I see is Epyon claiming Arrival is the end of ME3?

Oh typos, you so crazy.

Not claiming just saying thatI've seen it around.