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[Fledgey]

I tweeted them.
"Was the kid ever real?"
"What do you think?"
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[Auresta]

Martukis wrote...

Johnnycide wrote...

My theory:

The scene where you see Shepard's body among the rubble, either breathing or not breathing is supposed to followed by zooming out and you realize Shepard never left Eden Prime, it wasn't Jenkins who died to the Geth drones it was Shepard, and all the events afterwards were the actions of the true galactic hero, Conrad Verner.

So much closure. >__<

[Maike91]

Back on Thessia, TIM tells Kai Leng that Shep has something he needs and that he should relieve him/her from it. And then collect the data...so...maybe I am just missing something but what does Shep have? It can't be the prothean VI because TIM tells Kai Leng to get it afterwards.

[Auresta]

Fledgey wrote...

I tweeted them.
"Was the kid ever real?"
"What do you think?"
|:

I feel like a straightforward answer to this would have been easy to give without spoilers.. unless the kid did mean something more. I feel like a conspiracist.

[lookingglassmind]

underthumb wrote...

rogueagent6 wrote...

Went back and checked the in-game codex. The following is quoted directly from the Indoctrination entry, paragraph 2:

"Organics undergoing indoctrination may complain of headaches and buzzing or ringing in their ears. As time passes, they have feelings of "being watched" and hallucinations of "ghostly" presences. Ultimately, the Reaper gains the ability to use the victim's body to amplify it's signals, manifesting as "alien" voices in the mind."

There it is, the whole ending is Shepard fighting those exact symptoms.

But that isn't what happened. Shepard did not hallucinate ghostly presences, she/he dreamt of them. That was established in-game, because Shepard always woke up from those sequences. Do you see the critical difference? Dreams are not hallucinations, and weird things happen in dreams, including nightmares.

Not certain how this disproves what the codex is saying.

Who is saying that Shepard wasn't hallucinating those dream sequences? And who ever said that dreams are not hallucinations?

[ceruleancrescent]

G0thicRhino wrote...

lookingglassmind wrote...

BlackDragonBane wrote...

byne wrote...

Ugh, seems like everytime I copy/paste something to add to the first post, the formatting gets all screwed up, and I have to go back and re-edit it to make it look correct.

Really appreciate all the work you're putting into the first post.

Yes, seriously.

To Byne: Thank you. You have put in so much work into helping the community understand this theory. I know it was not your intention to create a monster thread, so each of us is in your debt for upholding and maintaining it.

My hat is off to you.

Indeed. Many thanks to you! <3

Thank you so much for all of your hard work <3

[FugitiveMind]

Auresta wrote...

Fledgey wrote...

I tweeted them.
"Was the kid ever real?"
"What do you think?"
|:

I feel like a straightforward answer to this would have been easy to give without spoilers.. unless the kid did mean something more. I feel like a conspiracist.

Then you're in the right place

[Deepthroat]

I can't believe people actually want the ending to be a hallucination or dream. They'd rather take the cheapest plot device there is in fiction, rather then accept the fact that the writers' idea of the ending is wildly different from that of the fans.

Don't get me wrong, I don't like the way they handled the ending, but I'll rather accept it as it is than hope that the last 10 minutes didn't happen.

[Katsaurs]

I haven't read through all the pages (i'm slowly making my way through a few of them though!) but just a thought about the kid, which I'm not sure if this point was brought up or not.

When did the child actually die? I know the logical answer to that would be when the escape shuttle was hit by the reaper beam but if you're quick enough to look at your surroundings as you and Anderson make your escape from the counsil chamber at the start, you see the kid run into the building that then get's one shotted by a reaper before Shep and Anderson run inside.

That blast looked pretty lethal in itself, and I'd assume that anyone inside would've been killed. Would him hiding in the vent actually shield him from the blast? Why isn't the child in there when you go look, and yet magically appears when you try to go through the door? And where does the child disappear to when Anderson briefly gets your attention? I don't remember the vent system having an extra corridor, just a dead end though I could be wrong.

Whether that means anything, or whether thats the ever so subtle start of Shep's hallucinations/indoctrination I'm not sure; but would that be enough to explain the kid's odd dialogue and the way no one seems to acknowledge him (bar shep) when he gets on board the escape shuttle?

Urgh but in saying that, it's at that point that shep witnesses his supposed death that haunts her from then onwards. I don't even know anymore @.@

[wryterra]

Deepthroat wrote...

I can't believe people actually want the ending to be a hallucination or dream. They'd rather take the cheapest plot device there is in fiction, rather then accept the fact that the writers' idea of the ending is wildly different from that of the fans.

Don't get me wrong, I don't like the way they handled the ending, but I'll rather accept it as it is than hope that the last 10 minutes didn't happen.

You don't think having the player experience indoctrination first hand and actually play through Shepard's battle for control of her own mind rather than basing it on accumulated paragon or renegade points is more than the cheapest plot device in fiction?

'cause I do. I think it's remarkable. 

[De1ta G]

Deepthroat wrote...

I can't believe people actually want the ending to be a hallucination or dream. They'd rather take the cheapest plot device there is in fiction, rather then accept the fact that the writers' idea of the ending is wildly different from that of the fans.

Don't get me wrong, I don't like the way they handled the ending, but I'll rather accept it as it is than hope that the last 10 minutes didn't happen.

People don't want the ending to be a hallucination or dream. We don't want that to be the end.

[Auresta]

Deepthroat wrote...

I can't believe people actually want the ending to be a hallucination or dream. They'd rather take the cheapest plot device there is in fiction, rather then accept the fact that the writers' idea of the ending is wildly different from that of the fans.

Don't get me wrong, I don't like the way they handled the ending, but I'll rather accept it as it is than hope that the last 10 minutes didn't happen.

How do you feel about indoctrination? We're also arguing that.

[Golferguy758]

Deepthroat wrote...

I can't believe people actually want the ending to be a hallucination or dream. They'd rather take the cheapest plot device there is in fiction, rather then accept the fact that the writers' idea of the ending is wildly different from that of the fans.

Don't get me wrong, I don't like the way they handled the ending, but I'll rather accept it as it is than hope that the last 10 minutes didn't happen.

As the theory clearly illustrates  it's not the ending. Period. It's a lead up to the ending. The "endings" are actually part of the climax.

[SomeoneStoleMyName]

Deepthroat wrote...

I can't believe people actually want the ending to be a hallucination or dream. They'd rather take the cheapest plot device there is in fiction, rather then accept the fact that the writers' idea of the ending is wildly different from that of the fans.

Don't get me wrong, I don't like the way they handled the ending, but I'll rather accept it as it is than hope that the last 10 minutes didn't happen.

I agree that "It was a dream!" is a really cheap plot device. But for ME it isnt a dream. Indoctrination is physical. The reapers invade your mind and try to convert you. You may be "dreaming/hallucinating" but if you arent a derp-derp guy but a guy who actually knows about the ME lore and how indoctrination works, then this is pretty ****ing epic.

Edit: Besides, if Bioware pulls this off - its pretty damn genius. The pieces were all there for shepard being indoctrinated. If people are too damn stupid to not now the lore, not being patient enough and not figure it out by paying attention - then they deserve being miserable imo.

Modifié par SomeoneStoleMyName, 12 mars 2012 - 11:38 .

[Kumekerion]

I chose synthesis because I didn't want to destroy the geth or EDI. So if it was intentional manipulation of the player (me) then it worked lol.

[pumpkinpirate]

I support this theory as well. When I finished the game a few days ago it felt like something was off about it. I noticed the black thing around Shepard and the ammo not running out, and actually spent five minutes shooting the keeper in the hall way(it doesn't die). And the Normandy being on the planet makes no sense. What are they going to do there? Play Robinson Crusoe?

From what I read on this thread and what I know from the lore, this make the most sense. The game also doesn't seem to be long enough to take up two discs on the x-box either, even with the multi-player.

[GBGriffin]

Deepthroat wrote...

I can't believe people actually want the ending to be a hallucination or dream. They'd rather take the cheapest plot device there is in fiction, rather then accept the fact that the writers' idea of the ending is wildly different from that of the fans.

Don't get me wrong, I don't like the way they handled the ending, but I'll rather accept it as it is than hope that the last 10 minutes didn't happen.

At this point, I like that it's giving people hope. All that can really happen from here on out is for them to confirm it or deny it, and if they stand by their endings, there's a megathread of documented "evidence" showing where exactly they screwed up.

[wryterra]

I've not seen every page of this thread but has anyone else noticed the weird vent-level sign with the universal symbol for 'risk of death by electrocution'? It's right next to the vent and the interpretation is clear: warning do not enter vent, danger. 

So, is that a hint that the child isn't really in there?

[John Never Dies]

Deepthroat wrote...

I can't believe people actually want the ending to be a hallucination or dream. They'd rather take the cheapest plot device there is in fiction, rather then accept the fact that the writers' idea of the ending is wildly different from that of the fans.

Don't get me wrong, I don't like the way they handled the ending, but I'll rather accept it as it is than hope that the last 10 minutes didn't happen.

This thread is more focused on indoctrination now. Which actually makes a lot of sense and if true. Is probably the best ending in gaming history is right in front of us.

Modifié par John Never Dies, 12 mars 2012 - 11:39 .

[Dougremer]

lookingglassmind wrote...

underthumb wrote...

rogueagent6 wrote...

Went back and checked the in-game codex. The following is quoted directly from the Indoctrination entry, paragraph 2:

"Organics undergoing indoctrination may complain of headaches and buzzing or ringing in their ears. As time passes, they have feelings of "being watched" and hallucinations of "ghostly" presences. Ultimately, the Reaper gains the ability to use the victim's body to amplify it's signals, manifesting as "alien" voices in the mind."

There it is, the whole ending is Shepard fighting those exact symptoms.

But that isn't what happened. Shepard did not hallucinate ghostly presences, she/he dreamt of them. That was established in-game, because Shepard always woke up from those sequences. Do you see the critical difference? Dreams are not hallucinations, and weird things happen in dreams, including nightmares.

Not certain how this disproves what the codex is saying.

Who is saying that Shepard wasn't hallucinating those dream sequences? And who ever said that dreams are not hallucinations?

 

Yes, he say weird things happens in dreams. I tell you, CRAZY S**T happens in hallucinations

[lookingglassmind]

wryterra wrote...

Deepthroat wrote...

I can't believe people actually want the ending to be a hallucination or dream. They'd rather take the cheapest plot device there is in fiction, rather then accept the fact that the writers' idea of the ending is wildly different from that of the fans.

Don't get me wrong, I don't like the way they handled the ending, but I'll rather accept it as it is than hope that the last 10 minutes didn't happen.

You don't think having the player experience indoctrination first hand and actually play through Shepard's battle for control of her own mind rather than basing it on accumulated paragon or renegade points is more than the cheapest plot device in fiction?

'cause I do. I think it's remarkable. 

Quoted for brilliance.

[Malanek]

Deepthroat wrote...

I can't believe people actually want the ending to be a hallucination or dream. They'd rather take the cheapest plot device there is in fiction, rather then accept the fact that the writers' idea of the ending is wildly different from that of the fans.

Don't get me wrong, I don't like the way they handled the ending, but I'll rather accept it as it is than hope that the last 10 minutes didn't happen.

I think the key difference is that it is possible (I still think unlikely) that the events generally happened but Shepards perception of them is screwed up by the indoctrination. It's quite different from "it's all a dream" ending.

[blooregard]

lookingglassmind wrote...

underthumb wrote...

rogueagent6 wrote...

Went back and checked the in-game codex. The following is quoted directly from the Indoctrination entry, paragraph 2:

"Organics undergoing indoctrination may complain of headaches and buzzing or ringing in their ears. As time passes, they have feelings of "being watched" and hallucinations of "ghostly" presences. Ultimately, the Reaper gains the ability to use the victim's body to amplify it's signals, manifesting as "alien" voices in the mind."

There it is, the whole ending is Shepard fighting those exact symptoms.

But that isn't what happened. Shepard did not hallucinate ghostly presences, she/he dreamt of them. That was established in-game, because Shepard always woke up from those sequences. Do you see the critical difference? Dreams are not hallucinations, and weird things happen in dreams, including nightmares.

Not certain how this disproves what the codex is saying.

Who is saying that Shepard wasn't hallucinating those dream sequences? And who ever said that dreams are not hallucinations?

not to mention the kid and his "you can't save me" line before disappearing the kid could be a hallucination too

[balance5050]

I'll just leave this here:

http://i.imgur.com/74Nka.jpg

[cyric085]

Deepthroat wrote...

I can't believe people actually want the ending to be a hallucination or dream. They'd rather take the cheapest plot device there is in fiction, rather then accept the fact that the writers' idea of the ending is wildly different from that of the fans.

Don't get me wrong, I don't like the way they handled the ending, but I'll rather accept it as it is than hope that the last 10 minutes didn't happen.

www.youtube.com/watch

watch the whole thing then tell me how is it possible for shepard to survive the citadel explosion, just saying