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[Arian Dynas]

MintyCool wrote...

Skaldian wrote...

I WANT TO BELIEVE!

$200 million says otherwise...

Look, if you really want to get on with your internet tough girl routine, then go bother these people; 

for a while and let the grown ups talk, OK?

[DJBare]

Hey folks, I believe I just found the destroy console in the real world, head down to the engine room and look at the rings supporting the core and the cables connecting, and oh yes, the supporting structure is red.

I wonder if we can find something that bares a similarity to the control condole.

[byne]

Arian Dynas wrote...

MintyCool wrote...

Skaldian wrote...

I WANT TO BELIEVE!

$200 million says otherwise...

Look, if you really want to get on with your internet tough girl routine, then go bother these people; 

for a while and let the grown ups talk, OK?

Minty kind of reminds me of Edward Current, especially with all the Checkmate stuff, except Edward Current is actually an amusing troll, and not an annoying troll.

[NeoDobby]

Arian Dynas wrote...

NeoDobby wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

DJBare wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

He is the controller of the Reapers. He initiated the Reaper cycles to stop organics becoming too advanced so that they would not create synthetics which they couldn't control. This is a drastic solution, but one taken nonetheless in response to a big problem. However with the arrival of Shepard and the Crucible, the Catalyst has changed, he no longer sees the Reapers as a viable option. It is part of a new age, along with everyone else. The mistakes of before now do not matter so much, and a new future is being planned

Where is your proof of this?, where is your proof that the catalyst is even real, sorry but "The catalysts says so" is not proof.

1) He says so 
2) You could apply this for a number of scenes in ME, list in any you care to mention, Eden Prime, the Resurrection, Collector Base etc

I don't know what exactly you mean in the scenes of Eden Prime and the Collector Base, but about the Resurrection: I know that this involves an amount of space magic comparable to the Synthesis ending taken at face value, but the video logs on the Cerberus Base at least give explanation so that it involve a tolerable amount of suspension of disbelief to make it plausible. There is no such thing for the credibility of starchild.

Could you explain what you think with Eden Prime and the Collector Base so we can discuss it?

Actually, the Resurrection has more plausibility to it than one would think. Assuming Shepard's brain is held mostly intact by his helmet, which is both padded, formfitted and heatshielded with his suit's ablative armor, there we've avoided one of the major issues, concussion, it's lik dropping a raw egg packed in memory foam from the top of a building, the egg is capable of surviving intact and unscrambled provided something absorbs the shock of the impact, which considering what they are built for, I would expect hardsuit helmets to do.

Shepard would hit terminal velocity pretty quickly, at that point it wouldn't matter how high he fell from. Every bone in his body would be shattered, but if they had sufficent padding, he would still avoid becoming a stain on the landscape.


As for the rest of Shepard's body, they were capable of taking tissues, both original and cloned and replacing lost, badly damaged or destroyed organs, bones were either cloned or the original tissues repaired by bio-synthetic fusion, which we do today with surgical steel implants, surely they will have access to considerably harder materials in the the 23rd Century. 

Really the only true problems come down to brain damage from hypoxia.

Hypoxia kills brain cells quickly, raising the acidity of the brain's environment and cerebro-spinal fluid, as well as creating free radicals, which react violently to oxygen, causing reperfusion damage. So to deal with this, they would need to counter the Acidosis, counter the free radicals in the brain before re-introducing oxygen to avoid further damage, and then deal with dead braincells, possibly by cloning and (here's where the suspension of disbeleif comes in) "mapping" the synaptic pathways of the dead braincells to them. More than likey, they tried to maintain as much of Shepard's original tissues as they could, but parts needed to be replaced.

And don't think all of this is way out there, they're working on drugs right now to counter brain death by thinning the blood, anti-oxidant drugs, which are currently being tested and worked on even now, oh and one of the clinchers? There is a treatment for this whole thing even today, hypothermia can actually retard these processes to a considerable degree.

The fact is, no it's not exactly the hardest of science, but it DOES have a basis, unlike Synthesis.
 

Anyway, so as not to take up too much room, forget my Reaper theory, if someone still wants to hear it, I'll make a seperate post.

Oh, I just see that now - I meant to write "I know you (Subastris) think that this involves ..." so I actually agree with you. Still, a good explanation for Subastris (That would also explain why there was no comeback from him about that point...)

Modifié par NeoDobby, 09 mai 2012 - 03:24 .

[Meatus]

Not really sure if anyone has mentioned it in this thread yet, but Ashley's VA Tweeted earlier today that she had just finished a recording session for ME3. What do you guys think? Possibly supportive of IT?

EDIT - I should probably elaborate. I would think it's supportive, since I can only think of very few instances where character lines weren't part of a dialogue with Shepard, meaning (assuming the EC will take place after the disk's ending) that they wouldn't be stranded without some kind of comm link after all. Unless it's just some kind of generic one-liner stuff that they're recording, but I doubt they'd even bother if it were that minimal.

Modifié par Meatus, 09 mai 2012 - 03:31 .

[spotlessvoid]

Btw sorry for long absence, the escape took longer than expected

[Simon_Says]

I once thought that at face-value, Synthesis just turned all life into nanoaugmented cyborgs a la Deus Ex or something similar to the nanosuit from the Crysis series.

Then I realized that while this solves turning organics into part-synthetics, it doesn't solve how synthetics become organic.

Or how all life in the frelling Galaxy was affected fast enough for the wavefront to be easily followed on a galaxy map.

My God is Synthesis stupid.

[Dwailing]

Arian Dynas wrote...

MintyCool wrote...

Skaldian wrote...

I WANT TO BELIEVE!

$200 million says otherwise...

Look, if you really want to get on with your internet tough girl routine, then go bother these people; 

for a while and let the grown ups talk, OK?

God (irony intended), I couldn't even watch that for five minutes.

[Simon_Says]

Meatus wrote...

Not really sure if anyone has mentioned it in this thread yet, but Ashley's VA Tweeted earlier today that she had just finished a recording session for ME3. What do you guys think? Possibly supportive of IT?

Says nothing beyond the fact that Bioware's doing much more than epilogue slides for the EC. I'll start getting excited if we hear confirmation that the Rachni Queen's VA has been brought back on board.

[BleedingUranium]

Below I have absolutely irrefutable evidence that Starchild was lying. I wouldn't use terms that strong if I didn't mean it. We should assume he is lying because if IT is true, he is Harbinger, and if IT is false, he created and controls the Reapers. Either way, he's the main villain, and shouldn't be trusted. But that's not proof. This is.

Catalyst

1. Chemistry . a substance that causes or accelerates a chemical reaction without itself being affected.

2. Something that causes activity between two or more persons or forces without itself being affected.

3. A person or thing that precipitates an event or change.

4. A person whose talk, enthusiasm, or energy causes others to be more friendly, enthusiastic, or energetic.

The Crusible changed me, created new possibilites.

Ergo, Starchild is not the Catalyst. Period. IT or Face-Value endings. Either way, he is lying.

This also proves that in the Face-Value endings the Citadel is not the Catalyst, as it explodes. On top of that, it also proves, in the Face-Value endings, that Shepard is not the Catalyst. Some from both sides though s/he might be.

Face-Value
-Starchild is not The Catalyst
-The Citadel is not The Catalyst
-Shepard is not The Catalyst

IT
-The Catalyst is irrelevant because the setting not real, but it does prove Starchild lied.
-Citadel could still be The Catalyst (and is still thought to be in reality)
-Shepard could be The Catalyst, as he is already a kind of catalyst by bringing together the galaxy.


Also, point number 4 seems familiar, maybe, I dunno, Shepard?

[Dwailing]

Simon_Says wrote...

I once thought that at face-value, Synthesis just turned all life into nanoaugmented cyborgs a la Deus Ex or something similar to the nanosuit from the Crysis series.

Then I realized that while this solves turning organics into part-synthetics, it doesn't solve how synthetics become organic.

Or how all life in the frelling Galaxy was affected fast enough for the wavefront to be easily followed on a galaxy map.

My God is Synthesis stupid.

Trust me, we know that.   I mean, I don't oppose of transhumanism, but I don't think anyone should be forced into it.

[spotlessvoid]

Simon_Says wrote...

I once thought that at face-value, Synthesis just turned all life into nanoaugmented cyborgs a la Deus Ex or something similar to the nanosuit from the Crysis series.

Then I realized that while this solves turning organics into part-synthetics, it doesn't solve how synthetics become organic.

Or how all life in the frelling Galaxy was affected fast enough for the wavefront to be easily followed on a galaxy map.

My God is Synthesis stupid.

Brain damagingly stupid

[byne]

Simon_Says wrote...

I once thought that at face-value, Synthesis just turned all life into nanoaugmented cyborgs a la Deus Ex or something similar to the nanosuit from the Crysis series.

Then I realized that while this solves turning organics into part-synthetics, it doesn't solve how synthetics become organic.

Or how all life in the frelling Galaxy was affected fast enough for the wavefront to be easily followed on a galaxy map.

My God is Synthesis stupid.

In my mind, after synthesis, the geth all grow skin and are suddenly naked, with no clothes anywhere nearby.

Mostly because naked geth would be hilarious.

I still also dont see how synthesis ends the cycles.

We can still build fully synthetic AIs again that will just come and wipe out the half-synthetics, since according to godchild, the created will always rebel.

Also, why the created rebelling is such a bad thing I dont get.

When two humans (creators) get together and have kids (created), when the kids become teenagers and rebel against their parents, we dont cleanse the Earth of all teenagers as well as children, just because they're going to rebel one day.

[DirtyPhoenix]

Simon_Says wrote...

Meatus wrote...

Not really sure if anyone has mentioned it in this thread yet, but Ashley's VA Tweeted earlier today that she had just finished a recording session for ME3. What do you guys think? Possibly supportive of IT?

Says nothing beyond the fact that Bioware's doing much more than epilogue slides for the EC. I'll start getting excited if we hear confirmation that the Rachni Queen's VA has been brought back on board.

Or if Shepard's VAs are confirmed. Did the Rachni queen have a specific VA?

[dreamgazer]

Simon_Says wrote...

I once thought that at face-value, Synthesis just turned all life into nanoaugmented cyborgs a la Deus Ex or something similar to the nanosuit from the Crysis series.

Then I realized that while this solves turning organics into part-synthetics, it doesn't solve how synthetics become organic.

Or how all life in the frelling Galaxy was affected fast enough for the wavefront to be easily followed on a galaxy map.

My God is Synthesis stupid.

I think it's more thought-provoking than stupid, but it definitely has next to nothing in terms of parameters.  That lack of clarity, however, makes the idea appear very dumb.  

In terms of how synthetics may become organic, I'm guessing that even though a new DNA framework is created, it doesn't mean that everything is split down the middle: 50% organic, 50% synthetic.  Therefore, if predominately-organics breed with enough other predominately-organics, it might phase out most of the synthetic part of the genetic code.

And no, none of that is coming from a synthesis-choice "defender", in the slightest.

Modifié par dreamgazer, 09 mai 2012 - 03:37 .

[byne]

Meatus wrote...

Not really sure if anyone has mentioned it in this thread yet, but Ashley's VA Tweeted earlier today that she had just finished a recording session for ME3. What do you guys think? Possibly supportive of IT?

EDIT - I should probably elaborate. I would think it's supportive, since I can only think of very few instances where character lines weren't part of a dialogue with Shepard, meaning (assuming the EC will take place after the disk's ending) that they wouldn't be stranded without some kind of comm link after all. Unless it's just some kind of generic one-liner stuff that they're recording, but I doubt they'd even bother if it were that minimal.

To play devil's advocate here, the extended cut could just turn out to be something to add a Fallout 3/New Vegas style epilogue, where characters read their epilogue slide in their own voice.

Not that I believe that'll be the case, I'm just saying dont get your hopes up too much just because VAs are coming back.

[Dwailing]

OK, I'm off for the night. See you all tomorrow.

[spotlessvoid]

pirate1802 wrote...

Simon_Says wrote...

Meatus wrote...

Not really sure if anyone has mentioned it in this thread yet, but Ashley's VA Tweeted earlier today that she had just finished a recording session for ME3. What do you guys think? Possibly supportive of IT?

Says nothing beyond the fact that Bioware's doing much more than epilogue slides for the EC. I'll start getting excited if we hear confirmation that the Rachni Queen's VA has been brought back on board.

Or if Shepard's VAs are confirmed. Did the Rachni queen have a specific VA?

Edit: Beaten by our venerable OP

Modifié par spotlessvoid, 09 mai 2012 - 03:42 .

[byne]

pirate1802 wrote...

Simon_Says wrote...

Meatus wrote...

Not really sure if anyone has mentioned it in this thread yet, but Ashley's VA Tweeted earlier today that she had just finished a recording session for ME3. What do you guys think? Possibly supportive of IT?

Says nothing beyond the fact that Bioware's doing much more than epilogue slides for the EC. I'll start getting excited if we hear confirmation that the Rachni Queen's VA has been brought back on board.

Or if Shepard's VAs are confirmed. Did the Rachni queen have a specific VA?

The rachni queen cant actually talk, so I'd say no. We only ever hear her speaking through that dying asari commando, the asari on Illium, and all the dead krogan in that one ME3 mission.

[Salient Archer]

BleedingUranium wrote...

Below I have absolutely irrefutable evidence that Starchild was lying. I wouldn't use terms that strong if I didn't mean it. We should assume he is lying because if IT is true, he is Harbinger, and if IT is false, he created and controls the Reapers. Either way, he's the main villain, and shouldn't be trusted. But that's not proof. This is.

Catalyst

1. Chemistry . a substance that causes or accelerates a chemical reaction without itself being affected.

2. Something that causes activity between two or more persons or forces without itself being affected.

3. A person or thing that precipitates an event or change.

4. A person whose talk, enthusiasm, or energy causes others to be more friendly, enthusiastic, or energetic.

The Crusible changed me, created new possibilites.

Ergo, Starchild is not the Catalyst. Period. IT or Face-Value endings. Either way, he is lying.

This also proves that in the Face-Value endings the Citadel is not the Catalyst, as it explodes. On top of that, it also proves, in the Face-Value endings, that Shepard is not the Catalyst. Some from both sides though s/he might be.

Face-Value
-Starchild is not The Catalyst
-The Citadel is not The Catalyst
-Shepard is not The Catalyst

IT
-The Catalyst is irrelevant because the setting not real, but it does prove Starchild lied.
-Citadel could still be The Catalyst (and is still thought to be in reality)
-Shepard could be The Catalyst, as he is already a kind of catalyst by bringing together the galaxy.


Also, point number 4 seems familiar, maybe, I dunno, Shepard?

I brought up the same point a few hundred pages ago and was surprised how few actually had anything to add to this point, but I too felt that by definition alone the StarChild was lying due to the nature of what a Catalyst actually is.

[dreamgazer]

byne wrote...

In my mind, after synthesis, the geth all grow skin and are suddenly naked, with no clothes anywhere nearby.

Mostly because naked geth would be hilarious.

The pure thought of geth running around with skin is kind of hilarious, because, uh, well ... let's just say they'd look a little more like a part of the human anatomy than I'd be comfortable with. 

[byne]

dreamgazer wrote...

byne wrote...

In my mind, after synthesis, the geth all grow skin and are suddenly naked, with no clothes anywhere nearby.

Mostly because naked geth would be hilarious.

The pure thought of geth running around with skin is kind of hilarious, because, uh, well ... let's just say they'd look a little more like a part of the human anatomy than I'd be comfortable with. 

To paraphrase Ashley Williams: "The geth have fleshlight heads."

Modifié par byne, 09 mai 2012 - 03:46 .

[spotlessvoid]

What exactly does synthesis do to mechs?

[Simon_Says]

Dwailing wrote...

Trust me, we know that.   I mean, I don't oppose of transhumanism, but I don't think anyone should be forced into it.

"All sentient life must be allowed to self determinate." I don't know if that's the exact quote but Legion summed up so much so well.

byne wrote...

I still also dont see how synthesis ends the cycles.

We can still build fully synthetic AIs again that will just come and wipe out the half-synthetics, since according to godchild, the created will always rebel.

Or just conflict between each other. The krogan and rachni both almost took over the whole galaxy, without being synthetic in the slightest.

dreamgazer wrote...

I think it's more thought-provoking than stupid, but it definitely has next to nothing in terms of parameters.  That lack of clarity, however, makes the idea appear very dumb.  

In terms of how synthetics may become organic, I'm guessing that even though a new DNA framework is created, it doesn't mean that everything is split down the middle: 50% organic, 50% synthetic.  Therefore, if predominately-organics breed with enough other predominately-organics, it might phase out most of the synthetic part of the genetic code.

And no, none of that is coming from a synthesis-choice "defender", in the slightest.

Personally I'd fully expect, if face-value is true, that synthesis actually just floods the galaxy with indoctrinating nanites.
Everyone, everywhere indoctrinated. No more conflict through homogenization of ideals and perspective. Disgusting.

Modifié par Simon_Says, 09 mai 2012 - 03:53 .

[byne]

spotlessvoid wrote...

What exactly does synthesis do to mechs?

LOTS OF SPECULATION FROM EVERYONE