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[dreamgazer]

byne wrote...

How willing the Virmire survivor is to join you after the coup (and to stand down when you confront Udina) depends on how much they trust you, which is decided based on the factors listed here.

I had no idea that there was a scenario where you could be forced to kill the Virmire survivor. That's really interesting.

[Arian Dynas]

spotlessvoid wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

XXIceColdXX wrote...

Jessica Merizan tweeted earlier , the ending is not changing or an addition, just more to visually process.

I'm a fan of IT but tweets like this don't give me hope. Any opinions?

Sorry no link to URL , on mobile phone.

Yeah, that's why they're calling in the voice actors, for "visuals".<_<

Once again, inclined to ask "the **** does she know about development"?

Morever, how is "more to visually process" NOT a freaking addition!?

More clues for the indoctrinated

Ugh. It sucks in that it seems my theory about their DLC schedule is correct. The EC IS going to just be hints to make Indoctrination more obvious, while we end up waiting for a seige of Earth DLC or an expansion or something. Ugh. I hate wating.

[balance5050]

Synthesis doesn't "line up" with the Geth Quarian peace because they chose that peace despite there differences. You are effectively forcing everyone to go through fundamental change on the subatomic level, caring NOT for peoples free will and individuality.

Plus it actually doesn't even solve anything from a critical perspective, true organics and synthetics can still be manufactured.

But you can believe the kid if you want, I mean no one is stopping you from deriving your own meanings.

[Afalstein]

Is the EC supposed to cost extra? Because if it DOES have the "true" ending, and Bioware expects fans to pay extra for the actual ending to the game they already shelled out big bucks for...

[gunslinger_ruiz]

They've said repeatedly that EC is goign to be free. Any DLC after that I'm betting on costing money, maybe one more free one to make it up to the angry fans but beyond that I don't know.

[balance5050]

Arian Dynas wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

XXIceColdXX wrote...

Jessica Merizan tweeted earlier , the ending is not changing or an addition, just more to visually process.

I'm a fan of IT but tweets like this don't give me hope. Any opinions?

Sorry no link to URL , on mobile phone.

Yeah, that's why they're calling in the voice actors, for "visuals".<_<

Once again, inclined to ask "the **** does she know about development"?

Morever, how is "more to visually process" NOT a freaking addition!?

More clues for the indoctrinated

Ugh. It sucks in that it seems my theory about their DLC schedule is correct. The EC IS going to just be hints to make Indoctrination more obvious, while we end up waiting for a seige of Earth DLC or an expansion or something. Ugh. I hate wating.

They kinda fumbled when they didn't have it ready by PAX, so hopefully the EC and the paid DLC will be released alongside one another or one week after (hopefully)

[Afalstein]

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

They've said repeatedly that EC is goign to be free. Any DLC after that I'm betting on costing money, maybe one more free one to make it up to the angry fans but beyond that I don't know.

Oh good.  I've got no problem with them charging extra for most DLC, but it would really stink if they charged more for something like an altered ending.

[prettz]

again sorry if this has been talk about.
so Anderson give the order that their will be no retreat and to move forward at all cost and everyone cheers



later Major Coats says to follow Anderson no retreat over the radio.


but after the harbinger beam Coats and a marine are yelling to retreat.

Modifié par prettz, 09 mai 2012 - 06:39 .

[Domanese]

[quote]Afalstein wrote...

[quote]Domanese wrote...

I'll take a stab and try and give a decent response to what was stated. 

Okay on the subject of Synthesis and why it is only available with High EMS - If we go with the idea that they are still trying to indoctrinate you then it makes sense that they give a kind of compromise to the Destroy and Control options. The reason being that a paragon character is now going to typically hesitate on going through with the destruction of the reapers yet hesitate on controlling the reapers based on how well that worked for the Illusive Man. Synthesis is just a more cunning trap to get you into their clutches when you pose a very serious threat to them.[/quote]

Again, Synthesis is wrong because it's appealing?  I get that synthesis is essentially what Saren was talking about and that's why it makes no sense as a choice, but saying that it's off because it's a compromise move... that doesn't make quite as much sense.  And again, this isn't something dependent on your character being a paragon--it comes from the EMS score.
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For now Im going to concentrate fully upon Synthesis and why most of us here find it to be a bad decision. I'll answer the EMS questions and so forth in a secondary post.

First of all let's take a look at what the Catalyst is supposedly. He claims that the Reapers are his solution but he is constantly referring to them as "we" and "us"

"I know you though about destroying us."  "We harvest the advanced species ascending them to new existence leaving the younger ones alone" "Just as we left your kind alone the last time we were here" Why would he speak like this? Because hes a reaper or reaper AI himself. Now let's think about what the Synthesis ending does. The catalyst claims that Synthesis is the merging of organics and synthetics into the final evolution of life. What is the final evolution of life in the eyes of a Reaper? The answer lies with Legion and also the Collectors ship.

Legion states to a Renegade shepard about the dyson sphere that "The Reapers are more you future then ours" We see this play out with the colonists or your own crew as they are processed and used to create the Human Reaper Embryo. "Transcended flesh, many minds merged into one, each a nation." Hell Sovreign himself admits this. So the final vision of EDI and Joker is false.

The final evolution of life in a Reapers point of view IS a Reaper. That is their goal and they want Shepard to accept this of his own will. By choosing Synthesis you agree with the Reapers and their motivations. You agree to be harvested along with the rest of humanity and all your allies shall be killed because they are not worthy of it. 

That is why Synthesis is a bad option. It goes against everything that you have been fighting for as Shepard. It goes against every single one of your allies, including EDI and the Geth. Amidst all the desicions you make the only core motivation that never changes is Shepards desire to destroy the reapers and save the galaxy. Only you in the final moments as the player can change that motivation during the darkest hour.

Hope that answers things for you as best as possible. If I missed something concerning Synthesis feel free to bring it up and I will answer what I can.

[gunslinger_ruiz]

Afalstein wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

They've said repeatedly that EC is goign to be free. Any DLC after that I'm betting on costing money, maybe one more free one to make it up to the angry fans but beyond that I don't know.

Oh good.  I've got no problem with them charging extra for most DLC, but it would really stink if they charged more for something like an altered ending.

I don't mind paying for EC, supposing it would be around $5 or less, I wouldn't mind if it was optional pay just so I could show my support to Bioware with a donation.

[XXIceColdXX]

Arian Dynas wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

XXIceColdXX wrote...

Jessica Merizan tweeted earlier , the ending is not changing or an addition, just more to visually process.

I'm a fan of IT but tweets like this don't give me hope. Any opinions?

Sorry no link to URL , on mobile phone.

Yeah, that's why they're calling in the voice actors, for "visuals".<_<

Once again, inclined to ask "the **** does she know about development"?

Morever, how is "more to visually process" NOT a freaking addition!?

Will be interesting after the EC comes out to go over some of these tweets to see how accurate they were. 

[Domanese]

I do have a question though. Did anyone use a fly cam on the beam on earth and the area around it? Maybe we can find Reaper cables there as well?

[dreamgazer]

Geez, do you guys realize exactly how frequently indoctrination is referenced in the game proper?

I recently had a mini-chat with EDI where she talked about how the Reapers were sending out peaceful calls to humans in order to get them on their grounds---and Shepard immediately goes for the "they'll be indoctrinated" conclusion. Lured in through peaceful options, only leading to indoctrination ... possibly an interesting method of foreshadowing.

[Arian Dynas]

prettz wrote...

again sorry if this has been talk about.
so Anderson give the order that their will be no retreat and to move forward at all cost and everyone cheers
*snip*
*snip*

later Major Coates says to follow Anderson no retreat over the radio.
*snip*

but after the harbinger beam Coats and a marine are yelling to retreat.
*snip*
*snip*

No offense but... ya armor be ugly.

[balance5050]

dreamgazer wrote...

Geez, do you guys realize exactly how frequently indoctrination is referenced in the game proper?

I recently had a mini-chat with EDI where she talked about how the Reapers were sending out peaceful calls to humans in order to get them on their grounds---and Shepard immediately goes for the "they'll be indoctrinated" conclusion. Lured in through peaceful options, only leading to indoctrination ... possibly an interesting method of foreshadowing.

If you aren't straight up killed be the reapers, you will be turned into a husk or indoctrinated, not a single exception. 

The alliance even has you recovering reaper tech from Cerberus, I had Garrus with me and he said "That's reaper tech alright, my brain hurts just looking at it."

The entire series oozes indoctrination foreshadowing, the biggest plothole for me would be "why didn't the reapers try to indoctrinate Shepard?" 

[Arian Dynas]

balance5050 wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

Geez, do you guys realize exactly how frequently indoctrination is referenced in the game proper?

I recently had a mini-chat with EDI where she talked about how the Reapers were sending out peaceful calls to humans in order to get them on their grounds---and Shepard immediately goes for the "they'll be indoctrinated" conclusion. Lured in through peaceful options, only leading to indoctrination ... possibly an interesting method of foreshadowing.

If you aren't straight up killed be the reapers, you will be turned into a husk or indoctrinated, not a single exception. 

The alliance even has you recovering reaper tech from Cerberus, I had Garrus with me and he said "That's reaper tech alright, my brain hurts just looking at it."

The entire series oozes indoctrination foreshadowing, the biggest plothole for me would be "why didn't the reapers try to indoctrinate Shepard?" 

It also opens up the other plothole of "Why is Harbinger suddenly unimportant?"

[DirtyPhoenix]

SubAstris wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

You are making assumptions about the extent of the Catalyst'sabilities which cannot unfortunately be substantiated by anything in game

I see. Just because he has the power to command a massive army of hyper-advanced machines a hundred thousand light years away doesn't mean he has the power to hit the "On" switch to the relay built into the device he's literally a part of.

That makes sense.

We don't know the extent of his power nonetheless.

I agree with him on this one. The actual problem is the game tells us NOTHING about what or who is the catalyst or his powers prior to the last ten minutes. Everything returns to the literal endings being ****ty.

[DirtyPhoenix]

dreamgazer wrote...

byne wrote...

How willing the Virmire survivor is to join you after the coup (and to stand down when you confront Udina) depends on how much they trust you, which is decided based on the factors listed here.

I had no idea that there was a scenario where you could be forced to kill the Virmire survivor. That's really interesting.

Funny, Traynor refused to shower in my pure renegade shep's cabin She insists on playing chess instead :@

Modifié par pirate1802, 09 mai 2012 - 07:06 .

[gunslinger_ruiz]

pirate1802 wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

byne wrote...

How willing the Virmire survivor is to join you after the coup (and to stand down when you confront Udina) depends on how much they trust you, which is decided based on the factors listed here.

I had no idea that there was a scenario where you could be forced to kill the Virmire survivor. That's really interesting.

Funny, Traynor refused to shower in my pure renegade shep's cabin She insists on playing chess instead :@

You have to pick the "polite" responses during most converstions  to properly court someone

[DirtyPhoenix]

Anyone knows how to select a custom pic as your display pic?

[DirtyPhoenix]

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

byne wrote...

How willing the Virmire survivor is to join you after the coup (and to stand down when you confront Udina) depends on how much they trust you, which is decided based on the factors listed here.

I had no idea that there was a scenario where you could be forced to kill the Virmire survivor. That's really interesting.

Funny, Traynor refused to shower in my pure renegade shep's cabin She insists on playing chess instead :@

You have to pick the "polite" responses during most converstions  to properly court someone

She didn't even mention shower. She just took a look at my shower and was like Ok, lets play chess now! I swear even my shep was surprised.

[gunslinger_ruiz]

pirate1802 wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

byne wrote...

How willing the Virmire survivor is to join you after the coup (and to stand down when you confront Udina) depends on how much they trust you, which is decided based on the factors listed here.

I had no idea that there was a scenario where you could be forced to kill the Virmire survivor. That's really interesting.

Funny, Traynor refused to shower in my pure renegade shep's cabin She insists on playing chess instead :@

You have to pick the "polite" responses during most converstions  to properly court someone

She didn't even mention shower. She just took a look at my shower and was like Ok, lets play chess now! I swear even my shep was surprised.

I meant in all conversations with her prior to the game night, things like "you're worried about a damn toothbrush?!" may seem a bit harsh and lower your chances of a romance or cancel it completely. Notentirely sure if this holds true with all romance options but definitley with Traynor, confirmed it myself.

[Tr0n01d]

2137 : David Anderson is born.

The Eldfell-Ashland Energy Corporation demonstrates helium-3 fuel extraction from the atmosphere of Saturn.

[prettz]

Arian Dynas wrote...

prettz wrote...

again sorry if this has been talk about.
so Anderson give the order that their will be no retreat and to move forward at all cost and everyone cheers
*snip*
*snip*

later Major Coates says to follow Anderson no retreat over the radio.
*snip*

but after the harbinger beam Coats and a marine are yelling to retreat.
*snip*
*snip*

No offense but... ya armor be ugly.

well it looks better from the front;)

[DirtyPhoenix]

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

byne wrote...

How willing the Virmire survivor is to join you after the coup (and to stand down when you confront Udina) depends on how much they trust you, which is decided based on the factors listed here.

I had no idea that there was a scenario where you could be forced to kill the Virmire survivor. That's really interesting.

Funny, Traynor refused to shower in my pure renegade shep's cabin She insists on playing chess instead :@

You have to pick the "polite" responses during most converstions  to properly court someone

She didn't even mention shower. She just took a look at my shower and was like Ok, lets play chess now! I swear even my shep was surprised.

I meant in all conversations with her prior to the game night, things like "you're worried about a damn toothbrush?!" may seem a bit harsh and lower your chances of a romance or cancel it completely. Notentirely sure if this holds true with all romance options but definitley with Traynor, confirmed it myself.

Maybe. Also, Liara hasn't hsown up with her project yet :/ I was looking forward to telling her to "glorify me" xD :'(