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[gunslinger_ruiz]

I lost too much detail cropping them down from 1920x1080 then using photobucket to upload, but the size constraints they have in place preserve some level of quality when viewed at full size.

edit: sig test

Modifié par gunslinger_ruiz, 09 mai 2012 - 11:12 .

[Emperor_Ike]

Just pointing out that it's not that the armor in-game is missing the N7 logo, it's that that is a dog tag in the cinematic.

Unrelated Edit: looked at the clock and shouldn't have. I'm for bed. Take care everyone; hold the line.

Modifié par Emperor_Ike, 09 mai 2012 - 11:14 .

[MegumiAzusa]

Emperor_Ike wrote...

Just pointing out that it's not that the armor in-game is missing the N7 logo, it's that that is a dog tag in the cinematic.

Unrelated Edit: looked at the clock and shouldn't have. I'm for bed. Take care everyone; hold the line.

Meh didn't sleep enough

[gunslinger_ruiz]

Okay now here's a proper sig test and I'm going to bed soon as well. Enjoy the screenshots and goodnight.

[Arian Dynas]

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

Okay now here's a proper sig test and I'm going to bed soon as well. Enjoy the screenshots and goodnight.

\\

Same, night folks.

[BleedingUranium]

Afalstein wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Afalstein wrote...

Except that completely leaves out the gameplay question involved here.  Why would the 'bonus content' unlocked by actually taking time to amass a full force lead only to a wrong choice?  It would be like Bioware WANTED the player not to actually unite the galaxy.

It resembles your mindset. With saving the Collector Base in ME2 you show your mindset is more alike TIM. TIM was easily indoctrinated by making him believe control is an option.
Now if you see the cutscenes where the shockwaves hit symbolic you can further say:
Low EMS destroy vaporizes, this you can equate to the Reapers just harvesting anyone in an unstoppable force.
A Shep who refused the Collector Base will refuse Control, so they don't bother.
Now with somewhat low EMS or saving the Collector Base you see the shockwaves of both control and destroy causing major damage. This can either show the fleets barely won against the Reapers or just struggle to survive.
Further you can see, as in Synthesis, the Soldiers don't cheer. It's no victory. You could conclude control makes you more of a Husk then an Agent, thus real victory is easier achieved (even lower EMS as Synthesis unlock needed), in Synthesis however you become an Agent like Saren, thus undermining your fleet and bring doom.
Then you see people cheering in high EMS control and destroy, even if you get controlled the fleet you amassed is strong enough to destroy the Reapers. And as a bonus, if you amassed even more and rejected control you can be found before you die.
This also corresponds with "Shep has become a legend in stopping the Reaper threat." not through direct action but amassing a fleet big enough to stop the Reapers. (Only negative point to that would be the vaporize end, but I can't tell what is displayed in that case)

And again, missing the point.  I'm asking why in terms of GAMEPLAY Bioware rewards extra playing with a meaningless choice.  They don't do it with charisma points in ME1, they don't do it with the teammate missions in ME2, but suddenly in ME3, all that extra playing gives you is another incorrect choice?

That makes no sense in terms of gaming.  Symbolism, whatever, I could maybe argue it but it's all speculative.  But just in terms of game design, you don't reward extra involvement with bad options.  It's stupid.

I know what you're saying, and it's definitly one of the harder things to understand, as a lot of ITers don't seem to, no offense to anyone.

They did it for the exact reason you said it was dumb. In games (or other things), the higher number of points/levels/unlocks you get, the better they are. Not always, some are just different, like an Avenger vs a Sabre, or a Vindicator, etc. But that's not important. An Avenger II is better than an Avenger I, all the way up to X. Get what I mean? Higher number = better option.

You're arguing, if Destroy is the "best" option, the "right" one, why is it (Paragon, blew up Collector Base) the lowest EMS? More importantly, why isn't it the highest, if it's the "best"? Why, if Synthesis is bad, does it require the highest EMS?

Because they're trying to trick you. You. The player, not Shepard. In the same way Starchild implies Destroy is bad, Control is better, and Synthesis is the best, to Shepard. Bioware is trying to trick you into believing the same thing.

Like it or not, Paragon Shepard, not necessarily 100% Paragon, but mostly Paragon Shepard is the canon one, from most player's eyes, and from Bioware's. Just like how Arrival is canon, so is destroying the Collector Base. Thus, destroy being the lowest works.

[BleedingUranium]

Repost, because it's really important!

Below I have absolutely irrefutable evidence that Starchild was lying. I wouldn't use terms that strong if I didn't mean it. We should assume he is lying because if IT is true, he is Harbinger, and if IT is false, he created and controls the Reapers. Either way, he's the main villain, and shouldn't be trusted. But that's not proof. This is.

Catalyst

1. Chemistry . a substance that causes or accelerates a chemical reaction without itself being affected.

2. Something that causes activity between two or more persons or forces without itself being affected.

3. A person or thing that precipitates an event or change.

4. A person whose talk, enthusiasm, or energy causes others to be more friendly, enthusiastic, or energetic.

The Crusible changed me, created new possibilites.

Ergo, Starchild is not the Catalyst. Period. IT or Face-Value endings. Either way, he is lying.

This also proves that in the Face-Value endings the Citadel is not the Catalyst, as it explodes. On top of that, it also proves, in the Face-Value endings, that Shepard is not the Catalyst. Some from both sides though s/he might be.

Face-Value
-Starchild is not The Catalyst
-The Citadel is not The Catalyst
-Shepard is not The Catalyst

IT
-The Catalyst is irrelevant because the setting not real, but it does prove Starchild lied.
-Citadel could still be The Catalyst (and is still thought to be in reality)
-Shepard could be The Catalyst, as he is already a kind of catalyst by bringing together the galaxy.


Also, point number 4 seems familiar, maybe, I dunno, Shepard?

[Salient Archer]

@Gunslinger_Ruiz: Amazing work yet again, I happend to be playing the choices scene and showed the images of the rubble to my wife (who hasn't actually played the game and isn't really all that interested) and even she immediately pointed out that the rubble is from london and not the citadel.

[MaximizedAction]

Salient Archer wrote...

@Gunslinger_Ruiz: Amazing work yet again, I happend to be playing the choices scene and showed the images of the rubble to my wife (who hasn't actually played the game and isn't really all that interested) and even she immediately pointed out that the rubble is from london and not the citadel.

It is astounding to me, how anyone could seriously think that this is Citadel rubble.

[maxloef]

MaximizedAction wrote...

Salient Archer wrote...

@Gunslinger_Ruiz: Amazing work yet again, I happend to be playing the choices scene and showed the images of the rubble to my wife (who hasn't actually played the game and isn't really all that interested) and even she immediately pointed out that the rubble is from london and not the citadel.

It is astounding to me, how anyone could seriously think that this is Citadel rubble.

i wholeheartedly agree with you, i cant see how people can think its citadel debris...

[gunslinger_ruiz]

maxloef wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

Salient Archer wrote...

@Gunslinger_Ruiz: Amazing work yet again, I happend to be playing the choices scene and showed the images of the rubble to my wife (who hasn't actually played the game and isn't really all that interested) and even she immediately pointed out that the rubble is from london and not the citadel.

It is astounding to me, how anyone could seriously think that this is Citadel rubble.

i wholeheartedly agree with you, i cant see how people can think its citadel debris...

Popped back in to say, thank you, and feel free to link to that post any time, just click the "link" button on the corner top of the post to get teh link.

night everyone, stay strong.

[MegumiAzusa]

There is one thing that really bothers me. On Rannoch Legion uses the Reaper upgrades to achieve real self awareness for the Geth, fine, but two points with that are strange:
It is a huge point in ME2 that the True Geth don't want that. Legion stated more then once that relying on Reaper technology only blinds them to other possibilities.
Additionally when you tell Legion not to upload it goes into rage mode and grips Shep while starting the upload.
So what tells us that? Are all remaining Geth in fact heretics?

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

maxloef wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

Salient Archer wrote...

@Gunslinger_Ruiz: Amazing work yet again, I happend to be playing the choices scene and showed the images of the rubble to my wife (who hasn't actually played the game and isn't really all that interested) and even she immediately pointed out that the rubble is from london and not the citadel.

It is astounding to me, how anyone could seriously think that this is Citadel rubble.

i wholeheartedly agree with you, i cant see how people can think its citadel debris...

The same way people are actually arguing Shepard could survive a supernova strength explosion...

[MaximizedAction]

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

maxloef wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

Salient Archer wrote...

@Gunslinger_Ruiz: Amazing work yet again, I happend to be playing the choices scene and showed the images of the rubble to my wife (who hasn't actually played the game and isn't really all that interested) and even she immediately pointed out that the rubble is from london and not the citadel.

It is astounding to me, how anyone could seriously think that this is Citadel rubble.

i wholeheartedly agree with you, i cant see how people can think its citadel debris...

Popped back in to say, thank you, and feel free to link to that post any time, just click the "link" button on the corner top of the post to get teh link.

night everyone, stay strong.

Thank YOU for the nice visual summery.

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

There is one thing that really bothers me. On Rannoch Legion uses the Reaper upgrades to achieve real self awareness for the Geth, fine, but two points with that are strange:
It is a huge point in ME2 that the True Geth don't want that. Legion stated more then once that relying on Reaper technology only blinds them to other possibilities.
Additionally when you tell Legion not to upload it goes into rage mode and grips Shep while starting the upload.
So what tells us that? Are all remaining Geth in fact heretics?

It is self preservation.

The Geth turned to the reapers in desperation when the Quarians attacked, because thy were scared of dying (confirmed by Legion) it is the same at the end. If Legion does not upload the code the Quarians will wipe the Geth out and that is also the basis for his reaction if you choose to stop him. Basic self presevation.

However that does not make these Geths Heretics as the code, while of Reaper origin, comes from Legion or showed by helping us that the Reapers held no control over him.

Legion probably modified the code so that the Reapers held no control through it, just as he himself (or they) are in control before.

Also if the Geth were truly "Heretics" they would probably have turned upon the fleet in the last battle.

Modifié par Raistlin Majare 1992, 09 mai 2012 - 11:53 .

[MaximizedAction]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

There is one thing that really bothers me. On Rannoch Legion uses the Reaper upgrades to achieve real self awareness for the Geth, fine, but two points with that are strange:
It is a huge point in ME2 that the True Geth don't want that. Legion stated more then once that relying on Reaper technology only blinds them to other possibilities.
Additionally when you tell Legion not to upload it goes into rage mode and grips Shep while starting the upload.
So what tells us that? Are all remaining Geth in fact heretics?

Forget that point of his from ME2. Doesn't he give us any argument why the sudden change of 'mind'?
I could assume, he might be in the process of 'indoctrination', too now, just as the real Shepard .

[NYG1991]

Figured I'd post this here as it might be related to IT bit not sure.

Why is saving Anderson from TIM's execution so important in having Shepard alive at the end?

It's the difference of 2000 war assets w/o MP which would make it the largest factor in the game. How the crucible fires and Anderson's well being are completely unrelated at that point.

[DirtyPhoenix]

MaximizedAction wrote...

Salient Archer wrote...

@Gunslinger_Ruiz: Amazing work yet again, I happend to be playing the choices scene and showed the images of the rubble to my wife (who hasn't actually played the game and isn't really all that interested) and even she immediately pointed out that the rubble is from london and not the citadel.

It is astounding to me, how anyone could seriously think that this is Citadel rubble.

Through indoctrination ofcourse.

[Earthborn_Shepard]

Another thing that always confused me: if the Reapers really are the starchild's "solution", why are they so unnecessarily violent and creepy?
You'd think that a (kind of) benevolent AI/being of light would prefer a nicer, "cleaner" solution than impaling people or driving them insane.

[MegumiAzusa]

NYG1991 wrote...

Figured I'd post this here as it might be related to IT bit not sure.

Why is saving Anderson from TIM's execution so important in having Shepard alive at the end?

It's the difference of 2000 war assets w/o MP which would make it the largest factor in the game. How the crucible fires and Anderson's well being are completely unrelated at that point.

Witnessing TIM executing Anderson, one of the closest friends and mentor, diminishes his will to survive, regardless of choice.

[DirtyPhoenix]

Starchild: We harvest advanced species, leaving the younger ones alone (we only convert them into harvesters, nothing serious).

Each time I see a harvester I'm reminded of starchild's shameless lie.

[Icinix]

pirate1802 wrote...

Starchild: We harvest advanced species, leaving the younger ones alone (we only convert them into harvesters, nothing serious).

Each time I see a harvester I'm reminded of starchild's shameless lie.

Pretty much - but I do believe that is merely an oversight on the writers part....

...well, yet another oversight.

[Salient Archer]

maxloef wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

Salient Archer wrote...

@Gunslinger_Ruiz: Amazing work yet again, I happend to be playing the choices scene and showed the images of the rubble to my wife (who hasn't actually played the game and isn't really all that interested) and even she immediately pointed out that the rubble is from london and not the citadel.

It is astounding to me, how anyone could seriously think that this is Citadel rubble.

i wholeheartedly agree with you, i cant see how people can think its citadel debris...

Ikr, It does my head in to think how someone could think it's from the Citadel. Seriosuly, If my wife (whose never touched the game) immediatly said (without my prompting) that it's from London, trust me, it's from london.

[BleedingUranium]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

NYG1991 wrote...

Figured I'd post this here as it might be related to IT bit not sure.

Why is saving Anderson from TIM's execution so important in having Shepard alive at the end?

It's the difference of 2000 war assets w/o MP which would make it the largest factor in the game. How the crucible fires and Anderson's well being are completely unrelated at that point.

Witnessing TIM executing Anderson, one of the closest friends and mentor, diminishes his will to survive, regardless of choice.

And, on the flip side, getting a chance to say goodbye - in one of the saddest, and one of my favourite scenes, even if it wasn't real - encourages Shepard and strengthens his/her resolve.

[Icinix]

BleedingUranium wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

NYG1991 wrote...

Figured I'd post this here as it might be related to IT bit not sure.

Why is saving Anderson from TIM's execution so important in having Shepard alive at the end?

It's the difference of 2000 war assets w/o MP which would make it the largest factor in the game. How the crucible fires and Anderson's well being are completely unrelated at that point.

Witnessing TIM executing Anderson, one of the closest friends and mentor, diminishes his will to survive, regardless of choice.

And, on the flip side, getting a chance to say goodbye - in one of the saddest, and one of my favourite scenes, even if it wasn't real - encourages Shepard and strengthens his/her resolve.

Didn't pick up on that at all - its definitely interesting that Anderson adds to the Was Asset Register more than any singular fleet.