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bigstig wrote...

Jononarf wrote...

wow. 2141 pages of this. you know they did state that the endings will remain unchanged, but does that mean they could add more after the breath in the red ending or more after leading up to joker hightailing it out of there? Or you think they will just add more in the beginning and middle?


There will be DLC during the middle of the game to come(Retake Omega for example) however the EC is to specifically address the ending:

"The extended cut DLC will expand on the existing endings, but no further ending DLC is planned"  That's why people are assume IT  or something similar as it allows the existing endings to remain as they are but doesn't change the endings.

Here is the link I got the quote from http://blog.bioware....3-extended-cut/">[url=http://blog.bioware.com/2012/04/05/mass-effect-3-extended-cut/]http://blog.bioware.com/2012/04/05/mass-effect-3-extended-cut/

They categorically state that be no further ending DLC is planned meaning EC is most definitly ending related. If nothing else they need to explain
1: What happens to the relays and surrounding systems,
2 Why Joker and your LI abandon you


"The extended cut DLC will expand on the existing endings, but no further ending DLC is planned"

Could this not also read as the EC "Will Expand" the endings (more playtime, etc) but no "Further" ending DLC is planned, because the EC will either be so substantial it won't be needed or it'll be the only DLC to take place after the ending. .. Just food for thought.

Modifié par Salient Archer, 09 mai 2012 - 01:44 .


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If all of this is happening inside Shepard's head where is the start of the hallucination because that child is in through out the game which must mean that London is the start of the game and not the end. Which would then lead to the question how did Shepard get to that point????
Also then what is the point of the Old man telling Shepards story.

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johnj1979 wrote...

If all of this is happening inside Shepard's head where is the start of the hallucination because that child is in through out the game which must mean that London is the start of the game and not the end. Which would then lead to the question how did Shepard get to that point????
Also then what is the point of the Old man telling Shepards story.


Shepard has been exposed to Reaper tech throughout the series, but Bioware most likely intended it during the ME2 Arrival DLC. The full on indoctrination "attempt" occurs after Shep is hit by Harbinger's beam in London.

The old man sequence could be "real", and with the "one more story" bit could hint at indoctrination. But nobody knows.

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NoSpin wrote...

johnj1979 wrote...

If all of this is happening inside Shepard's head where is the start of the hallucination because that child is in through out the game which must mean that London is the start of the game and not the end. Which would then lead to the question how did Shepard get to that point????
Also then what is the point of the Old man telling Shepards story.


Shepard has been exposed to Reaper tech throughout the series, but Bioware most likely intended it during the ME2 Arrival DLC. The full on indoctrination "attempt" occurs after Shep is hit by Harbinger's beam in London.

The old man sequence could be "real", and with the "one more story" bit could hint at indoctrination. But nobody knows.


There's also a theory that says the full process starts on the shuttle ride with coates.

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Salient Archer wrote...

bigstig wrote...

Jononarf wrote...

wow. 2141 pages of this. you know they did state that the endings will remain unchanged, but does that mean they could add more after the breath in the red ending or more after leading up to joker hightailing it out of there? Or you think they will just add more in the beginning and middle?


There will be DLC during the middle of the game to come(Retake Omega for example) however the EC is to specifically address the ending:

"The extended cut DLC will expand on the existing endings, but no further ending DLC is planned"  That's why people are assume IT  or something similar as it allows the existing endings to remain as they are but doesn't change the endings.

Here is the link I got the quote from http://blog.bioware....3-extended-cut/">http://blog.bioware....3-extended-cut/

They categorically state that be no further ending DLC is planned meaning EC is most definitly ending related. If nothing else they need to explain
1: What happens to the relays and surrounding systems,
2 Why Joker and your LI abandon you


"The extended cut DLC will expand on the existing endings, but no further ending DLC is planned"

Could this not also read as the EC "Will Expand" the endings (more playtime, etc) but no "Further" ending DLC is planned, because the EC will either be so substantial it won't be needed or it'll be the last DLC to take place expanding after the ending. .. Just food for thought.


That's the way I see it, the EC is the only DLC that will occur after the conclusion of ME3 anything else will probably fit in anywhere. I don't think that there will be anymore Epilogue(like Arrival)content and TBH it may be the next game in the ME franchise will be a launch title for PS4/Xbox720

I suspect there will be more DLC to come(3-5 SP 1-2 MP) in total
  • Retake Omega (I'm always assumed this was a guarentee but I'm not so sure as the current comics seem to show what Aria was upto during the events of ME3

  • 1-2 Appearence packs(easy money)

  • New MP Maps - If Retake Omega shows up in SP I suspect it'll show on MP too

  • A new mission with Grunt and his squad

  • A new mission surrounding Shepards trial (not sure how this would work gameplay wise but would certainly be interesting)

  • A new mission with Ashley/Kaiden as the new spectre
  • A new mission with your LI(as suggested by [url=http://social.bioware.com/3567659/]NoSpin  

Modifié par bigstig, 09 mai 2012 - 02:30 .


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bigstig wrote...


That's the way I see it, the EC is the only DLC that will occur after the conclusion of ME3 anything else will probably fit in anywhere. I don't think that there will be anymore Epilogue(like Arrival)content and TBH it may be the next game in the ME franchise will be a launch title for PS4/Xbox720

I suspect there will be more DLC to come(3-5 SP 1-2 MP) in total

  • Retake Omega (I'm always assumed this was a guarentee but I'm not so sure as the current comics seem to show what Aria was upto during the events of ME3
  • 1-2 Appearence packs(easy money)
  • New MP Maps - If Retake Omega shows up in SP I suspect it'll show on MP too
  • A new mission with Grunt and his squad
  • A new mission surrounding Shepards trial (not sure how this would work gameplay wise but would certainly be interesting)
  • A new mission with Ashley/Kaiden as the new spectre

I concur, if there is a story to tell after ME3 it will be ME4. Don't forget possible Love Interest DLC, I think the lack of lovin set us up for one.

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NoSpin wrote...

johnj1979 wrote...

If all of this is happening inside Shepard's head where is the start of the hallucination because that child is in through out the game which must mean that London is the start of the game and not the end. Which would then lead to the question how did Shepard get to that point????
Also then what is the point of the Old man telling Shepards story.


Shepard has been exposed to Reaper tech throughout the series, but Bioware most likely intended it during the ME2 Arrival DLC. The full on indoctrination "attempt" occurs after Shep is hit by Harbinger's beam in London.

The old man sequence could be "real", and with the "one more story" bit could hint at indoctrination. But nobody knows.


The old man bit I thought was an effort to hint at future content about "The Shepard" as well as indictating a somewhat happy ending, against all odds life has found a way to survive to the point where Shepard is nothing more than a legend.

Modifié par bigstig, 09 mai 2012 - 02:31 .


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I'd totally like a DLC where I play as Ashley/Kaiden xD

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I'd totally like a DLC where I play as Ashley/Kaiden xD


Why even fans can't spell the names of the main characters? Posted Image It's KaidAn. It's ShePArd.

There won't be such DLC. It doesn't make sense because Shepard is the player's character in Mass Effect series.

Modifié par paxxton, 09 mai 2012 - 03:02 .


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johnj1979 wrote...

If all of this is happening inside Shepard's head where is the start of the hallucination because that child is in through out the game which must mean that London is the start of the game and not the end. Which would then lead to the question how did Shepard get to that point????
Also then what is the point of the Old man telling Shepards story.

Buh?
Not sure any of that made sense...
Shep's a tough old boy, but Arrival is considered canon now, and he did get hit by, and then spend 2 days unconscious next to, a reaper artifact in a facility full of crazy indoctrinated scientists...
That'd be as good an opportunity as any.

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paxxton wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...

I'd totally like a DLC where I play as Ashley/Kaiden xD


Why even fans can't spell the names of the main characters? Posted Image It's KaidAn. It's ShePArd.

There won't be such DLC. It doesn't make sense.



I always get Shepard wrong, my spelling is atrocious, terrible. As for Kaiden/Kaidan meh that's how I would spell the name so generally that's how I type it. A quick google search shows that Kaidan is a fairly unique spelling of Kaiden (which incidentally means companion according to think baby names)so while not correct an acceptable variation for me.

For example my name is Stewart, but if people refer to me in writing as Stuart I don't mind unless it is an official document.

TBH I'm not really bothered about exact spellings on an internet thread, as long as it's understandable I let most things slide.

Modifié par bigstig, 09 mai 2012 - 03:13 .


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NoSpin wrote...

bigstig wrote...


That's the way I see it, the EC is the only DLC that will occur after the conclusion of ME3 anything else will probably fit in anywhere. I don't think that there will be anymore Epilogue(like Arrival)content and TBH it may be the next game in the ME franchise will be a launch title for PS4/Xbox720

I suspect there will be more DLC to come(3-5 SP 1-2 MP) in total

  • Retake Omega (I'm always assumed this was a guarentee but I'm not so sure as the current comics seem to show what Aria was upto during the events of ME3
  • 1-2 Appearence packs(easy money)
  • New MP Maps - If Retake Omega shows up in SP I suspect it'll show on MP too
  • A new mission with Grunt and his squad
  • A new mission surrounding Shepards trial (not sure how this would work gameplay wise but would certainly be interesting)
  • A new mission with Ashley/Kaiden as the new spectre

I concur, if there is a story to tell after ME3 it will be ME4. Don't forget possible Love Interest DLC, I think the lack of lovin set us up for one.

[*]We want little blue babies!  Or in my case, little human babies.  I romanced Ash on this one.

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Dwailing wrote...

NoSpin wrote...

bigstig wrote...


That's the way I see it, the EC is the only DLC that will occur after the conclusion of ME3 anything else will probably fit in anywhere. I don't think that there will be anymore Epilogue(like Arrival)content and TBH it may be the next game in the ME franchise will be a launch title for PS4/Xbox720

I suspect there will be more DLC to come(3-5 SP 1-2 MP) in total

  • Retake Omega (I'm always assumed this was a guarentee but I'm not so sure as the current comics seem to show what Aria was upto during the events of ME3
  • 1-2 Appearence packs(easy money)
  • New MP Maps - If Retake Omega shows up in SP I suspect it'll show on MP too
  • A new mission with Grunt and his squad
  • A new mission surrounding Shepards trial (not sure how this would work gameplay wise but would certainly be interesting)
  • A new mission with Ashley/Kaiden as the new spectre

I concur, if there is a story to tell after ME3 it will be ME4. Don't forget possible Love Interest DLC, I think the lack of lovin set us up for one.

[*]We want little blue babies!  Or in my case, little human babies.  I romanced Ash on this one.


[*]Blue babies!!! That's the only thing I ever wanted since the first Mass Effect!

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Actually I think a DLC that expands on the romances in the current game is very possible. A tweet from Patrick Weekes suggests this.

https://twitter.com/...909236610838528

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Rosewind wrote...

NoSpin wrote...

johnj1979 wrote...

If all of this is happening inside Shepard's head where is the start of the hallucination because that child is in through out the game which must mean that London is the start of the game and not the end. Which would then lead to the question how did Shepard get to that point????
Also then what is the point of the Old man telling Shepards story.


Shepard has been exposed to Reaper tech throughout the series, but Bioware most likely intended it during the ME2 Arrival DLC. The full on indoctrination "attempt" occurs after Shep is hit by Harbinger's beam in London.

The old man sequence could be "real", and with the "one more story" bit could hint at indoctrination. But nobody knows.


There's also a theory that says the full process starts on the shuttle ride with coates.


I've actually started to subscribe to the theory that the shuttle was shot down and the whole run to the Conduit never happened.

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Dwailing wrote...

NoSpin wrote...

bigstig wrote...


That's the way I see it, the EC is the only DLC that will occur after the conclusion of ME3 anything else will probably fit in anywhere. I don't think that there will be anymore Epilogue(like Arrival)content and TBH it may be the next game in the ME franchise will be a launch title for PS4/Xbox720

I suspect there will be more DLC to come(3-5 SP 1-2 MP) in total

  • Retake Omega (I'm always assumed this was a guarentee but I'm not so sure as the current comics seem to show what Aria was upto during the events of ME3

  • 1-2 Appearence packs(easy money)

  • New MP Maps - If Retake Omega shows up in SP I suspect it'll show on MP too

  • A new mission with Grunt and his squad

  • A new mission surrounding Shepards trial (not sure how this would work gameplay wise but would certainly be interesting)

  • A new mission with Ashley/Kaiden as the new spectre

I concur, if there is a story to tell after ME3 it will be ME4. Don't forget possible Love Interest DLC, I think the lack of lovin set us up for one.

We want little blue babies!  Or in my case, little human babies.  I romanced Ash on this one.

I have several saves, 1 for Tali, 1 for Liara(Femshep) 1 for Ashley - as strange as it is I have never completed either male romances or romanced Jack or Miranda - go figure. Posted Image

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Ch1m3Ra wrote...

Actually I think a DLC that expands on the romances in the current game is very possible. A tweet from Patrick Weekes suggests this.

https://twitter.com/...909236610838528



... what the hell is the "relation book"?

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Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

Ch1m3Ra wrote...

Actually I think a DLC that expands on the romances in the current game is very possible. A tweet from Patrick Weekes suggests this.

https://twitter.com/...909236610838528



... what the hell is the "relation book"?


Typo, it should read relationship Bonk. What he is holding is a plain cover version of Fornax Posted Image

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bigstig wrote...

paxxton wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...

I'd totally like a DLC where I play as Ashley/Kaiden xD


Why even fans can't spell the names of the main characters? Posted Image It's KaidAn. It's ShePArd.

There won't be such DLC. It doesn't make sense.



I always get Shepard wrong, my spelling is atrocious, terrible. As for Kaiden/Kaidan meh that's how I would spell the name so generally that's how I type it. A quick google search shows that Kaidan is a fairly unique spelling of Kaiden (which incidentally means companion according to think baby names)so while not correct an acceptable variation for me.

For example my name is Stewart, but if people refer to me in writing as Stuart I don't mind unless it is an official document.

TBH I'm not really bothered about exact spellings on an internet thread, as long as it's understandable I let most things slide.


I try to use the spellings used in the game itself or at least in Mass Effect Wikia. Unless I'm in a hurry and don't bother checking some unusual names like Kalissa Al-Jiliani (Khalisah Bint Sinan Al-Jilani Posted Image).  It's always good to be fairly precise.

Modifié par paxxton, 09 mai 2012 - 03:27 .


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Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

Ch1m3Ra wrote...

Actually I think a DLC that expands on the romances in the current game is very possible. A tweet from Patrick Weekes suggests this.

https://twitter.com/...909236610838528



... what the hell is the "relation book"?


twitter.com/#!/PatrickWeekes/status/199980100723290112

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actually a previous tweet:

Since got questions: ME Relationship Book is from fans who loved ME2 followers, wanted more in ME3. Lots of letters, art. :)

Nevermind was beaten to the punch there.

I don't think anything I ever sent would end there, I do know sent a thank you letter though, good to know that the people behind the scene actually get the praise they deserve

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paxxton wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...

I'd totally like a DLC where I play as Ashley/Kaiden xD


Why even fans can't spell the names of the main characters? Posted Image It's KaidAn. It's ShePArd.

There won't be such DLC. It doesn't make sense because Shepard is the player's character in Mass Effect series.


The error is highly regretted, though I do always get Shepard right xD. We did play as Joker for a while in ME2 didn't we? nd if Shepard is dead then the entire end dialog is played by Joker. So Bioware has let us play through other characters in Shepard's story.

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Also, I'm interested to see how EC would integrate into the game, would it simply read your choices and construct a slideshow, or would the invisible legendsave be suddenly unlocked xD

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paxxton wrote...

bigstig wrote...

paxxton wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...

I'd totally like a DLC where I play as Ashley/Kaiden xD


Why even fans can't spell the names of the main characters? Posted Image It's KaidAn. It's ShePArd.

There won't be such DLC. It doesn't make sense.



I always get Shepard wrong, my spelling is atrocious, terrible. As for Kaiden/Kaidan meh that's how I would spell the name so generally that's how I type it. A quick google search shows that Kaidan is a fairly unique spelling of Kaiden (which incidentally means companion according to think baby names)so while not correct an acceptable variation for me.

For example my name is Stewart, but if people refer to me in writing as Stuart I don't mind unless it is an official document.

TBH I'm not really bothered about exact spellings on an internet thread, as long as it's understandable I let most things slide.


I try to use the spellings used in the game itself or at least in Mass Effect Wikia. Unless I'm in a hurry and don't bother checking some unusual names like Kalissa Al-Jiliani (Khalisah Bint Sinan Al-Jilani Posted Image).  It's always good to be fairly precise.


Fair enough, just doesn't bother me that much. I don't spend that much time spell checking names but I will try and add Kaidan to memory for future use. Or I'll just kill him in all my playthroughs so I don't need to learn his name Posted Image

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pirate1802 wrote...

Also, I'm interested to see how EC would integrate into the game, would it simply read your choices and construct a slideshow, or would the invisible legendsave be suddenly unlocked xD


it better not be a simple slideshow, there would be a riot even if the slideshow confirmed IT people wouldn't be happy.

However as VA are involved it is very possible it is not just a simple slide show(although it could just be each character reading his/her story out) Plus it would not take 6months to produce a slideshow

The whole game is based on reading information about what you have/haven't done so it is not inconceivable that the EC will use the same information