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[paxxton]

Did anyone check if there are encrypted files on the game's DVDs? Maybe the ending is already there.

Modifié par paxxton, 09 mai 2012 - 03:45 .

[Stigweird85]

paxxton wrote...

Did anyone check if there are encrypted files on the game's DVDs?

I asked this ages ago, when it was suggested that content would be on the PS3/360 title somewhere where the PC version which requires an "always-on" internet connection and allows for free title updates whereas the PSN and Xbox Live would charge EA/Bioware for title updates.

I believe it was found that the PS3 and 360 have larger files but the exact reason was never established

[Tr0n01d]

2143 : Construction of Gagarin Station (Jump Zero) begins beyond the orbit of Pluto.

[Simon_Says]

paxxton wrote...

Did anyone check if there are encrypted files on the game's DVDs? Maybe the ending is already there.

If there was someone would surely have found it by now. Already some dummied-out material was revealed.

So no, it's probably not on the disc.

[TSA_383]

bigstig wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Did anyone check if there are encrypted files on the game's DVDs?

I asked this ages ago, when it was suggested that content would be on the PS3/360 title somewhere where the PC version which requires an "always-on" internet connection and allows for free title updates whereas the PSN and Xbox Live would charge EA/Bioware for title updates.

I believe it was found that the PS3 and 360 have larger files but the exact reason was never established

How much larger? I doubt they'd ship something like that on-disk, as I doubt it was ready to ship, but that's curious...

I've gutted the files from my PC copy and found a bunch of interesting stuff but no new ending:

Simon_Says wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Did anyone check if there are encrypted files on the game's DVDs? Maybe the ending is already there.

If there was someone would surely have found it by now. Already some dummied-out material was revealed.

So no, it's probably not on the disc.

Nobody's dissected an Xbox/PS disk yet.
Personally I've just been using UMODEL to take apart some of the game's files but there's a bunch of stuff I still can't open.

Modifié par TSA_383, 09 mai 2012 - 03:52 .

[ExtendedCut]

bigstig wrote...

NoSpin wrote...

johnj1979 wrote...

If all of this is happening inside Shepard's head where is the start of the hallucination because that child is in through out the game which must mean that London is the start of the game and not the end. Which would then lead to the question how did Shepard get to that point????
Also then what is the point of the Old man telling Shepards story.

Shepard has been exposed to Reaper tech throughout the series, but Bioware most likely intended it during the ME2 Arrival DLC. The full on indoctrination "attempt" occurs after Shep is hit by Harbinger's beam in London.

The old man sequence could be "real", and with the "one more story" bit could hint at indoctrination. But nobody knows.

The old man bit I thought was an effort to hint at future content about "The Shepard" as well as indictating a somewhat happy ending, against all odds life has found a way to survive to the point where Shepard is nothing more than a legend.

To me, and I hate to admit this, the Stargazer/Old man scene is the biggest anti-IT clue.  And I say this as a big IT supporter.

It is apparent that Stargazer and the little kid are on the same planet that the Normandy crashed on (due the the identical moon lay-out in the sky).  Then Stargazer talks about how he thinks that there are many other planets with people/aliens on them, and that, someday, maybe "we" will be able to reach the stars (or something to that effect). 

This dialog tells me that Stargazer and the kid are the distant offspring of Joker, Liara, Garrus, etc., etc. and that they have been stuck on Space Magic Tropical Planet for many generations, presumably because the Mass Relays were destroyed.

Obviously, this scene is VERY open to interpretation, but if the Mass Relays really are destroyed, then I'm not sure how that fits into IT???

[Boradam]

ExtendedCut wrote...


To me, and I hate to admit this, the Stargazer/Old man scene is the biggest anti-IT clue.  And I say this as a big IT supporter.

It is apparent that Stargazer and the little kid are on the same planet that the Normandy crashed on (due the the identical moon lay-out in the sky).  Then Stargazer talks about how he thinks that there are many other planets with people/aliens on them, and that, someday, maybe "we" will be able to reach the stars (or something to that effect). 

This dialog tells me that Stargazer and the kid are the distant offspring of Joker, Liara, Garrus, etc., etc. and that they have been stuck on Space Magic Tropical Planet for many generations, presumably because the Mass Relays were destroyed.

Obviously, this scene is VERY open to interpretation, but if the Mass Relays really are destroyed, then I'm not sure how that fits into IT???

If IT is true but Shepard is indoctrinated through choosing Control or Synthesis and the Reaper's win, then Liara's blackbox could have been discovered by the Stargazer or his people where they learned of the Galaxies history; but if IT is not true... (I'm aware the scene plays for Destroy Shepard too, but I always thought he was just a dream like the endings that give false hope, survival, and victory.)

Liara could have passed down her Blackbox down through the generations where they all heard of everything that happened throughout history and how the Mass Relays were destroyed and how they were stranded on the planet.

[MaximizedAction]

ExtendedCut wrote...

bigstig wrote...

NoSpin wrote...

johnj1979 wrote...

If all of this is happening inside Shepard's head where is the start of the hallucination because that child is in through out the game which must mean that London is the start of the game and not the end. Which would then lead to the question how did Shepard get to that point????
Also then what is the point of the Old man telling Shepards story.

Shepard has been exposed to Reaper tech throughout the series, but Bioware most likely intended it during the ME2 Arrival DLC. The full on indoctrination "attempt" occurs after Shep is hit by Harbinger's beam in London.

The old man sequence could be "real", and with the "one more story" bit could hint at indoctrination. But nobody knows.

The old man bit I thought was an effort to hint at future content about "The Shepard" as well as indictating a somewhat happy ending, against all odds life has found a way to survive to the point where Shepard is nothing more than a legend.

To me, and I hate to admit this, the Stargazer/Old man scene is the biggest anti-IT clue.  And I say this as a big IT supporter.

It is apparent that Stargazer and the little kid are on the same planet that the Normandy crashed on (due the the identical moon lay-out in the sky).  Then Stargazer talks about how he thinks that there are many other planets with people/aliens on them, and that, someday, maybe "we" will be able to reach the stars (or something to that effect). 

This dialog tells me that Stargazer and the kid are the distant offspring of Joker, Liara, Garrus, etc., etc. and that they have been stuck on Space Magic Tropical Planet for many generations, presumably because the Mass Relays were destroyed.

Obviously, this scene is VERY open to interpretation, but if the Mass Relays really are destroyed, then I'm not sure how that fits into IT???

Why do some contemporary professional science fiction authors think that it's 'cool' to throw away all technology and start living like 'in the old days'. There is nothing good about that!

[Earthborn_Shepard]

Listening to all the whispers of the dead made me kinda sad right now

I also discovered that listening to a disembodied laughing child is not good for my nerves

Modifié par Earthborn_Shepard, 09 mai 2012 - 04:07 .

[SubAstris]

An interesting point. Something controlling the Reapers is clearly foreshadowed in the Prothean VI on Thessia, it is along the lines of "it seems that Reapers are the servants of the cycles, not their masters" and saying "there might be something behind them". With such strong foreshadowing in the main plot, to any ITers, do you think that the EC will feature a figure like the Catalyst who controls the Reapers, but in reality?

[MaximizedAction]

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

Listening to all the whispers of the dead made me kinda sad right now

I also discovered that listening to a disembodied laughing child is not good for my nerves

Moar!

[ExtendedCut]

Boradam wrote...

ExtendedCut wrote...


To me, and I hate to admit this, the Stargazer/Old man scene is the biggest anti-IT clue.  And I say this as a big IT supporter.

It is apparent that Stargazer and the little kid are on the same planet that the Normandy crashed on (due the the identical moon lay-out in the sky).  Then Stargazer talks about how he thinks that there are many other planets with people/aliens on them, and that, someday, maybe "we" will be able to reach the stars (or something to that effect). 

This dialog tells me that Stargazer and the kid are the distant offspring of Joker, Liara, Garrus, etc., etc. and that they have been stuck on Space Magic Tropical Planet for many generations, presumably because the Mass Relays were destroyed.

Obviously, this scene is VERY open to interpretation, but if the Mass Relays really are destroyed, then I'm not sure how that fits into IT???

If IT is true but Shepard is indoctrinated through choosing Control or Synthesis and the Reaper's win, then Liara's blackbox could have been discovered by the Stargazer or his people where they learned of the Galaxies history; but if IT is not true... (I'm aware the scene plays for Destroy Shepard too, but I always thought he was just a dream like the endings that give false hope, survival, and victory.)

Liara could have passed down her Blackbox down through the generations where they all heard of everything that happened throughout history and how the Mass Relays were destroyed and how they were stranded on the planet.

I agree in a sense, but as you noted, if IT is true, and Destroy is chosen, then the Stargazer scene pretty-much HAS to be a dream.  Otherwise it makes no sense at all.

[ExtendedCut]

MaximizedAction wrote...




Why do some contemporary professional science fiction authors think that it's 'cool' to throw away all technology and start living like 'in the old days'. There is nothing good about that!

Yeah, exactly.  And it would also rule-out any more Mass Effect games that would take place after "Shepard's story".  It would almost have to be a prequel - and I don't know about anyone else, but personally I hate prequels.  A prequel is like starting a book in the middle, and then going back and reading the beginning afterwards.

Unless the game was about your squadmates in a "Lord of the Flies" kind of thing...

[EpyonX3]

MaximizedAction wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

Listening to all the whispers of the dead made me kinda sad right now

I also discovered that listening to a disembodied laughing child is not good for my nerves

Moar!

That Legion voice: "Shepard Commander, help us" and "Does this unit have a soul?"

Damn that hurts.

Modifié par EpyonX3, 09 mai 2012 - 04:16 .

[byne]

ExtendedCut wrote...

To me, and I hate to admit this, the Stargazer/Old man scene is the biggest anti-IT clue.  And I say this as a big IT supporter.

It is apparent that Stargazer and the little kid are on the same planet that the Normandy crashed on (due the the identical moon lay-out in the sky).  Then Stargazer talks about how he thinks that there are many other planets with people/aliens on them, and that, someday, maybe "we" will be able to reach the stars (or something to that effect). 

This dialog tells me that Stargazer and the kid are the distant offspring of Joker, Liara, Garrus, etc., etc. and that they have been stuck on Space Magic Tropical Planet for many generations, presumably because the Mass Relays were destroyed.

Obviously, this scene is VERY open to interpretation, but if the Mass Relays really are destroyed, then I'm not sure how that fits into IT???

I just consider the Stargazer scene to be non-canon since it is completely awful in every possible way.

It implies that the whole series was a story told by an old man, it turns Shepard into 'The Shepard' which is basically the same as making her 'Space Jesus', and apparently, according to files in the game, it is set 10,000 years after the end, and the galaxy (or at least the people on that planet) still hasnt rediscovered space travel.

If you take the Stargazer scene as something that actually happened, it implies that not only are just the Mass Relays destroyed, but for some reason, even with Control and Synthesis, we lost all advanced technology. That should only happen with low EMS destroy, and has literally no reason to happen in High EMS destroy, Control, or Synthesis.

If all advanced tech isnt destroyed, theres really no reason to assume the crew wouldnt be found within a few decades at least.

Sure, with no Mass Relays, all galactic trade and things like that will take longer, and it will take at best 27 years of non-stop travel to go from one side of the galaxy to the other, but the Normandy still has a QEC, which should be able to communicate with people instantaneously no matter where they are. Even if its broken, I'm sure that with all the tech geniuses on the Normandy, someone could fix it and call for help.

Theres no reason they'd be stranded for 10,000 years, unless all life in the galaxy became stupid one day.

The Stargazer scene honestly requires more suspension of disbelief  than any of the endings, which is really saying a lot.

tl;dr: I hate stargazer scene with the fiery passion of a thousand suns.

[Earthborn_Shepard]

EpyonX3 wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

Listening to all the whispers of the dead made me kinda sad right now

I also discovered that listening to a disembodied laughing child is not good for my nerves

Moar!

That Legion voice: "Shepard Commander, help us" and "Does this unit have a soul?"

Damn that hurts.

Modifié par Earthborn_Shepard, 09 mai 2012 - 04:19 .

[ExtendedCut]

byne wrote...



I just consider the Stargazer scene to be non-canon since it is completely awful in every possible way.

It implies that the whole series was a story told by an old man, it turns Shepard into 'The Shepard' which is basically the same as making her 'Space Jesus', and apparently, according to files in the game, it is set 10,000 years after the end, and the galaxy (or at least the people on that planet) still hasnt rediscovered space travel.

If you take the Stargazer scene as something that actually happened, it implies that not only are just the Mass Relays destroyed, but for some reason, even with Control and Synthesis, we lost all advanced technology. That should only happen with low EMS destroy, and has literally no reason to happen in High EMS destroy, Control, or Synthesis.

If all advanced tech isnt destroyed, theres really no reason to assume the crew wouldnt be found within a few decades at least.

Sure, with no Mass Relays, all galactic trade and things like that will take longer, and it will take at best 27 years of non-stop travel to go from one side of the galaxy to the other, but the Normandy still has a QEC, which should be able to communicate with people instantaneously no matter where they are. Even if its broken, I'm sure that with all the tech geniuses on the Normandy, someone could fix it and call for help.

Theres no reason they'd be stranded for 10,000 years, unless all life in the galaxy became stupid one day.

The Stargazer scene honestly requires more suspension of disbelief  than any of the endings, which is really saying a lot.

tl;dr: I hate stargazer scene with the fiery passion of a thousand suns.

I completely agree with you, especially about the timing issues.

I hope that you're right about it not being canon, but I think as of right now (before EC) we have to assume it is canon, right?

Also, most movies use a cut-scene after the credits use it to allude to a sequel.  I can't see how the Stargazer scene alludes to anything more in the ME world.

EDIT:  I just remembered the other thing that bothers me that I hate about the Stargazer scene - Shepard and Liara's romance scene, in which Liara talks about how easy it would be to hide on some far-distant planet and stay there forever.  Maybe that was foreshadowing of the Stargazer scene?

Modifié par ExtendedCut, 09 mai 2012 - 04:27 .

[EpyonX3]

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

Listening to all the whispers of the dead made me kinda sad right now

I also discovered that listening to a disembodied laughing child is not good for my nerves

Moar!

That Legion voice: "Shepard Commander, help us" and "Does this unit have a soul?"

Damn that hurts.

[byne]

EpyonX3 wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

Listening to all the whispers of the dead made me kinda sad right now

I also discovered that listening to a disembodied laughing child is not good for my nerves

Moar!

That Legion voice: "Shepard Commander, help us" and "Does this unit have a soul?"

Damn that hurts.

*hugsnip*

There should be a way to save Legion, by sacrificing a whole lot of other stuff.

I mean, if you sacrifice Wrex, Eve, and a cure for the genophage, you can save Mordin.

Should be the same with Legion.

[Simon_Says]

SubAstris wrote...

An interesting point. Something controlling the Reapers is clearly foreshadowed in the Prothean VI on Thessia, it is along the lines of "it seems that Reapers are the servants of the cycles, not their masters" and saying "there might be something behind them". With such strong foreshadowing in the main plot, to any ITers, do you think that the EC will feature a figure like the Catalyst who controls the Reapers, but in reality?

First off I don't think it was implied that this controlling force was intelligent, but I may need to check again. Life on earth is guided by the demands of survival and instinct. Locusts swarm periodically, cause devestation, and then disappear for a time, but there's no intelligent force behind that.

Second, a controlling intelligence would likely be suitable if it didn't diminish the reapers' menace and sense of being truly 'alien'. Consider the Architect from either Matrix 2 or even DAO: Awakening. Both of those characters managed to be 'masterminds' behind their respective factions and yet both were executed in a way that was consistent with what we knew and felt of those factions. However, the execution of Starbrat left much to be desired. Hence all the derisive jokes about the reapers being the Starbrat's toy ships.

I put forth my own suggestion for a more appropriate controlling intelligence of the reapers. It suggests something that's big, menacing, and beyond our comprehension on anything more than an academic level. It's something like the Party from Nineteen-Eighty-Four. It's the regime itself that's the dominating force, not any set of individuals within or without it.

Modifié par Simon_Says, 09 mai 2012 - 04:31 .

[Earthborn_Shepard]

byne wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

Listening to all the whispers of the dead made me kinda sad right now

I also discovered that listening to a disembodied laughing child is not good for my nerves

Moar!

That Legion voice: "Shepard Commander, help us" and "Does this unit have a soul?"

Damn that hurts.

*hugsnip*

There should be a way to save Legion, by sacrificing a whole lot of other stuff.

I mean, if you sacrifice Wrex, Eve, and a cure for the genophage, you can save Mordin.

Should be the same with Legion.

I could never kill Wrex or Eve. I'd rather let Mordin die. I liked him, but Wrex was there from the beginning....

also yeah it's sad Legion dies. And to think I never really liked him in ME2! In ME3 he was amazing, but then of course he had to die. The renegade scene is even worse than shooting Mordin in the back, and that one is REALLY bad.

[SubAstris]

Simon_Says wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

An interesting point. Something controlling the Reapers is clearly foreshadowed in the Prothean VI on Thessia, it is along the lines of "it seems that Reapers are the servants of the cycles, not their masters" and saying "there might be something behind them". With such strong foreshadowing in the main plot, to any ITers, do you think that the EC will feature a figure like the Catalyst who controls the Reapers, but in reality?

First off I don't think it was implied that this controlling force was intelligent, but I may need to check again. Life on earth is guided by the demands of survival and instinct. Locusts swarm periodically, cause devestation, and then disappear for a time, but there's no intelligent force behind that.

Second, a controlling intelligence would likely be suitable if it didn't diminish the reapers' menace and sense of being truly 'alien'. Consider the Architect from either Matrix 2 or even DAO: Awakening. Both of those characters managed to be 'masterminds' behind their respective factions and yet both were executed in a way that was consistent with what we knew and felt of those factions. However, the execution of Starbrat left much to be desired. Hence all the derisive jokes about the reapers being the Starbrat's toy ships.

I put forth my own suggestion for a more appropriate controlling intelligence of the reapers. It suggests something that's big, menacing, and beyond our comprehension on anything more than an academic level. It's something like the Party from Nineteen-Eighty-Four. It's the regime itself that's the dominating force, not any set of individuals within or without it.

I'll have a look

[MegumiAzusa]

byne wrote...

ExtendedCut wrote...

To me, and I hate to admit this, the Stargazer/Old man scene is the biggest anti-IT clue.  And I say this as a big IT supporter.

It is apparent that Stargazer and the little kid are on the same planet that the Normandy crashed on (due the the identical moon lay-out in the sky).  Then Stargazer talks about how he thinks that there are many other planets with people/aliens on them, and that, someday, maybe "we" will be able to reach the stars (or something to that effect). 

This dialog tells me that Stargazer and the kid are the distant offspring of Joker, Liara, Garrus, etc., etc. and that they have been stuck on Space Magic Tropical Planet for many generations, presumably because the Mass Relays were destroyed.

Obviously, this scene is VERY open to interpretation, but if the Mass Relays really are destroyed, then I'm not sure how that fits into IT???

I just consider the Stargazer scene to be non-canon since it is completely awful in every possible way.

It implies that the whole series was a story told by an old man, it turns Shepard into 'The Shepard' which is basically the same as making her 'Space Jesus', and apparently, according to files in the game, it is set 10,000 years after the end, and the galaxy (or at least the people on that planet) still hasnt rediscovered space travel.

If you take the Stargazer scene as something that actually happened, it implies that not only are just the Mass Relays destroyed, but for some reason, even with Control and Synthesis, we lost all advanced technology. That should only happen with low EMS destroy, and has literally no reason to happen in High EMS destroy, Control, or Synthesis.

If all advanced tech isnt destroyed, theres really no reason to assume the crew wouldnt be found within a few decades at least.

Sure, with no Mass Relays, all galactic trade and things like that will take longer, and it will take at best 27 years of non-stop travel to go from one side of the galaxy to the other, but the Normandy still has a QEC, which should be able to communicate with people instantaneously no matter where they are. Even if its broken, I'm sure that with all the tech geniuses on the Normandy, someone could fix it and call for help.

Theres no reason they'd be stranded for 10,000 years, unless all life in the galaxy became stupid one day.

The Stargazer scene honestly requires more suspension of disbelief  than any of the endings, which is really saying a lot.

tl;dr: I hate stargazer scene with the fiery passion of a thousand suns.

Another problem this scene has: the Normandy crew would never have enough people to establish a viable population.

[byne]

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...


I could never kill Wrex or Eve. I'd rather let Mordin die. I liked him, but Wrex was there from the beginning....

also yeah it's sad Legion dies. And to think I never really liked him in ME2! In ME3 he was amazing, but then of course he had to die. The renegade scene is even worse than shooting Mordin in the back, and that one is REALLY bad.

Blasphemy!

Did he not win you over with his awesome dance moves?

[MaximizedAction]

ExtendedCut wrote...

byne wrote...



I just consider the Stargazer scene to be non-canon since it is completely awful in every possible way.

It implies that the whole series was a story told by an old man, it turns Shepard into 'The Shepard' which is basically the same as making her 'Space Jesus', and apparently, according to files in the game, it is set 10,000 years after the end, and the galaxy (or at least the people on that planet) still hasnt rediscovered space travel.

If you take the Stargazer scene as something that actually happened, it implies that not only are just the Mass Relays destroyed, but for some reason, even with Control and Synthesis, we lost all advanced technology. That should only happen with low EMS destroy, and has literally no reason to happen in High EMS destroy, Control, or Synthesis.

If all advanced tech isnt destroyed, theres really no reason to assume the crew wouldnt be found within a few decades at least.

Sure, with no Mass Relays, all galactic trade and things like that will take longer, and it will take at best 27 years of non-stop travel to go from one side of the galaxy to the other, but the Normandy still has a QEC, which should be able to communicate with people instantaneously no matter where they are. Even if its broken, I'm sure that with all the tech geniuses on the Normandy, someone could fix it and call for help.

Theres no reason they'd be stranded for 10,000 years, unless all life in the galaxy became stupid one day.

The Stargazer scene honestly requires more suspension of disbelief  than any of the endings, which is really saying a lot.

tl;dr: I hate stargazer scene with the fiery passion of a thousand suns.

I completely agree with you, especially about the timing issues.

I hope that you're right about it not being canon, but I think as of right now (before EC) we have to assume it is canon, right?

Also, most movies use a cut-scene after the credits use it to allude to a sequel.  I can't see how the Stargazer scene alludes to anything more in the ME world.

EDIT:  I just remembered the other thing that bothers me that I hate about the Stargazer scene - Shepard and Liara's romance scene, in which Liara talks about how easy it would be to hide on some far-distant planet and stay there forever.  Maybe that was foreshadowing of the Stargazer scene?

Thank you for mentioning this! Somehow people don't find this dialog important, but with this scene in mind, I didn't even have a problem with the ending as much as most people. I mean, it instantly explains 'where' the Normandy crashed.

And Stargazer doesn't seem so disconnected after that, either. Did this dialog also occur for other LI? If so, then maybe Shepard + LI DO end up on a distant world by choice.
And it's actually plausible that it's this two-mooned world for two reasons:
If Shepard dreams about this particular one, then maybe after the war, she's gonna look out for it to settle down on it.
And with Relays like the Omega 4, where there doesn't seem to be the need for another relay on the far end side, they can jump where ever they want. Maybe this is where they settle down.

On the other hand, maybe not every player wants their Shepard to settle down. Then maybe, after the war is over, and there is no need for the time capsule anymore, Liara decides to just send it out to where ever old SOB Newton brings it to. Maybe Shepard will want it to end up on this world she saw in her hallucination?

It's all in the stars...