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#53651
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Simon_Says wrote...

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Have you all seen this documentary on the Indoctrination Theory yet?


We have. It's a good summary of the findings but it's still incomplete.


Of course. He didn't mention my Unified Nanide-Based Indoctrination Theory that explains the black tendrils on the Citadel. Posted ImagePosted Image

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UrgentArchengel wrote...

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Found a song that fits this ending "debacle".

http://m.youtube.com...h?v=bOHxtOLfvIo


Being serious, this is not a troll attempt.:innocent:


I dont know, I personally think Cant Trust Anybody Now fits the ending debacle better, because the lyrics can be interpreted as referring to BioWare or the Reapers:

we like to think that there is something good to hold on to
one simple reason keeps us hanging on

they're out to break us down, to run our lives
to rule our minds

our days of destiny are gone

but your dreams have turned to fear
and it's pretty goddamn clear
that you know you can't trust anybody now

you think they help us
you think they give us everything

they'll just use us
whatever bitter end to bring

it gets harder
they'll sacrifice you for their needs

wake the **** up
they'll have us crawling on our knees


#53653
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paxxton wrote...

Of course. He didn't mention my Unified Nanide-Based Indoctrination Theory that explains the black tendrils on the Citadel.


Or, y'know, it was all a dream at that point anyway so... <_<

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paxxton wrote...

Simon_Says wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Have you all seen this documentary on the Indoctrination Theory yet?


We have. It's a good summary of the findings but it's still incomplete.


Of course. He didn't mention my Unified Nanide-Based Indoctrination Theory that explains the black tendrils on the Citadel. Posted ImagePosted Image


Well, one thing's for sure - if indoctrination-by-nanides does turn out to be true, then we will all have to bow down to you... :crying:

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paxxton wrote...

Have you all seen this documentary on the Indoctrination Theory yet?


Oddly enough I found it relating to one of my videos this morning. I haven't seen it all. There are still some oddities with his conclusions though.

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ExtendedCut wrote...

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EpyonX3 wrote...

I'll never see Garrus the same way again.


Speaking of Garrus, Brian Keener said this on his facebook.

"All I can say is: yes, I have done some recording this week.
I believe it was Shakespeare who wrote "The better part of Voiceover is discretion...""

Posted on his FB page in response to a question about EC DLC.


Sorry to be the lame, anal one, but his name is Brandon.  :whistle:



Oops, I derped. Thx for the correction.

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ExtendedCut wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

I'll never see Garrus the same way again.


Speaking of Garrus, Brian Keener said this on his facebook.

"All I can say is: yes, I have done some recording this week.
I believe it was Shakespeare who wrote "The better part of Voiceover is discretion...""

Posted on his FB page in response to a question about EC DLC.


Sorry to be the lame, anal one, but his name is Brandon.  :whistle:



If you watch the video, you'd realize how funny your comment is.

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what if Shepard never did go to the citadel and the end of the game was meant to be Shepard battling Indoctrination? and some random soldier got past Harby and destroyed the Reapers but was vaporized in the process?

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You guys are the experts so I have a question.
What causes the catalyst to say "and most of the technology you rely on" right here?:


http://www.youtube.c...1tQDPbX4#t=217s

Modifié par balance5050, 09 mai 2012 - 06:37 .


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draken-heart wrote...

what if Shepard never did go to the citadel and the end of the game was meant to be Shepard battling Indoctrination? and some random soldier got past Harby and destroyed the Reapers but was vaporized in the process?


By random soldier, do you mean Conrad Verner?

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EpyonX3 wrote...

ExtendedCut wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

I'll never see Garrus the same way again.


Speaking of Garrus, Brian Keener said this on his facebook.

"All I can say is: yes, I have done some recording this week.
I believe it was Shakespeare who wrote "The better part of Voiceover is discretion...""

Posted on his FB page in response to a question about EC DLC.


Sorry to be the lame, anal one, but his name is Brandon.  :whistle:



If you watch the video, you'd realize how funny your comment is.


Oops, pun not intended. :blink:

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If the IT is true....this will go down as the greatest video game ending for me

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balance5050 wrote...

You guys are the experts so I have a question.
What causes the catalyst to say "and most of the technology you rely on" right here:


http://www.youtube.c...1tQDPbX4#t=217s



Thats a good question...

I always assumed he said that only if your EMS was low, but they have synthesis available in that vid...

Also, how does the red wave decide what is and is not technology?

Technically the wheel is technology, and we rely on it. Are all wheels destroyed?

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balance5050 wrote...

You guys are the experts so I have a question.
What causes the catalyst to say "and most of the technology you rely on" right here?:

http://www.youtube.c...1tQDPbX4#t=217s


... Maybe to make that choice sound even worse. Not sure why he doesn't say it in higher EMS though. Maybe because at higher EMS Shepard wouldn't buy it?

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FemaleMageFan wrote...

If the IT is true....this will go down as the greatest video game ending for me


If you ask me, it'll go down as one of the most succesful video game endings as well. It would have even effected the players themselves, not just Shepard into seeing is believing. Gotta hand it to you, that IS indeed artistic.

Probably went to well, I wonder if they're snickering and admiring their work- assuming IT is on the table of the ending, which is quite heavily evident to that it is.

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Unschuld wrote...

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Plus, even if Tali is your romance and she kills herself, you still get zombie Tali to come visit you before the attack on the Cerberus base, so you dont even miss out on your romance scene.



Shep is hallucinating happy time with Tali. Totally a check in the box for Indoc theory.

ok im all for the indocrination theory, but THAT is definately grasping at straws........... that i would blame on continginsy errors..........

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Rksmithers wrote...

Unschuld wrote...

byne wrote...

Plus, even if Tali is your romance and she kills herself, you still get zombie Tali to come visit you before the attack on the Cerberus base, so you dont even miss out on your romance scene.



Shep is hallucinating happy time with Tali. Totally a check in the box for Indoc theory.

ok im all for the indocrination theory, but THAT is definately grasping at straws........... that i would blame on continginsy errors..........


>referring to a post about Tali
>not saying emergency induction ports

I dont even


Anyhow, yeah, Tali showing up probably is a glitch, but if IT turns out to be true, Bioware could just say it isnt a glitch, and is in fact Shepard hallucinating.

IT fixes so many of the problems with the last hour or so of the game that even if it wasnt Bioware's original plan, it'd be silly of them not to just claim it was and run with it.

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Simon_Says wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

You guys are the experts so I have a question.
What causes the catalyst to say "and most of the technology you rely on" right here?:

http://www.youtube.c...1tQDPbX4#t=217s


... Maybe to make that choice sound even worse. Not sure why he doesn't say it in higher EMS though. Maybe because at higher EMS Shepard wouldn't buy it?

LOTS OF SPECULATION FROM EVERYBODY


I'm thinking to make it sound worse. He only seems to say it with higher EMS, not with low EMS.

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Rksmithers wrote...

Unschuld wrote...

Shep is hallucinating happy time with Tali. Totally a check in the box for Indoc theory.

ok Okay, im I'm all for the Indocrination Theory, but THAT is definitely grasping at straws........... That i I would blame on continginsy continuity errors..........


Fixed. [/grammernationalsocialist] Heh, "grammer".

Modifié par Simon_Says, 09 mai 2012 - 06:50 .


#53670
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byne wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

You guys are the experts so I have a question.
What causes the catalyst to say "and most of the technology you rely on" right here:


http://www.youtube.c...1tQDPbX4#t=217s



Thats a good question...

I always assumed he said that only if your EMS was low, but they have synthesis available in that vid...

Also, how does the red wave decide what is and is not technology?

Technically the wheel is technology, and we rely on it. Are all wheels destroyed?


THIS is sig worthy!

#53671
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byne wrote...

draken-heart wrote...

what if Shepard never did go to the citadel and the end of the game was meant to be Shepard battling Indoctrination? and some random soldier got past Harby and destroyed the Reapers but was vaporized in the process?


By random soldier, do you mean Conrad Verner?


by random soldier, i meant random soldier.

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SubAstris wrote...

An interesting point. Something controlling the Reapers is clearly foreshadowed in the Prothean VI on Thessia, it is along the lines of "it seems that Reapers are the servants of the cycles, not their masters" and saying "there might be something behind them". With such strong foreshadowing in the main plot, to any ITers, do you think that the EC will feature a figure like the Catalyst who controls the Reapers, but in reality?

I thought it would be the next antagonist like defeating the reapers then going to defeat the thing that started the cycle in the first place

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Simon_Says wrote...

Rksmithers wrote...

Unschuld wrote...

Shep is hallucinating happy time with Tali. Totally a check in the box for Indoc theory.

ok Okay, im I'm all for the Indocrination Theory, but THAT is definitely grasping at straws........... That i I would blame on continginsy continuity errors..........


Fixed. [/grammernationalsocialist] Heh, "grammer".


Hahahaha fair enough.............................................................................................................................................. i prefer contingency errors.................................................................................................................. and Ok is fine whether or not its Okay or ok....................................................................................................................................... and everything else your right on............................................................................................................................................................................................................................................

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byne wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

You guys are the experts so I have a question.
What causes the catalyst to say "and most of the technology you rely on" right here:


http://www.youtube.c...1tQDPbX4#t=217s



Thats a good question...

I always assumed he said that only if your EMS was low, but they have synthesis available in that vid...

Also, how does the red wave decide what is and is not technology?

Technically the wheel is technology, and we rely on it. Are all wheels destroyed?


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By the way, did anybody think about the fact that maybe Shepard wasn't ever indoctrinated before because only Harbinger is strong enough to do so, and the ending is the only time Shepard every meets Harbinger face to face?