Aller au contenu

Photo

Was the ending a hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory


57139 réponses à ce sujet

#53676
EpyonX3

EpyonX3
  • Members
  • 2 374 messages

Tirian Thorn wrote...

byne wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

You guys are the experts so I have a question.
What causes the catalyst to say "and most of the technology you rely on" right here:


http://www.youtube.c...1tQDPbX4#t=217s



Thats a good question...

I always assumed he said that only if your EMS was low, but they have synthesis available in that vid...

Also, how does the red wave decide what is and is not technology?

Technically the wheel is technology, and we rely on it. Are all wheels destroyed?


Posted Image


Posted Image

#53677
balance5050

balance5050
  • Members
  • 5 245 messages

Scam_poo wrote...

By the way, did anybody think about the fact that maybe Shepard wasn't ever indoctrinated before because only Harbinger is strong enough to do so, and the ending is the only time Shepard every meets Harbinger face to face?


Good point, the vicinity of Harbinger would cause the indoc to be stronger than ever before.

#53678
draken-heart

draken-heart
  • Members
  • 4 009 messages
Scam_poo: maybe you are right, maybe you are wrong, but it would play into my Indoc. Theory, where Shepard is strong enough to resist normal indoctrination, and attract others like him/her. After Harby hits him/her with beam, some random soldier does what Shepard is doing because it is real it is just not Shepard doing it.

#53679
MegumiAzusa

MegumiAzusa
  • Members
  • 4 238 messages

paxxton wrote...

Have you all seen this documentary on the Indoctrination Theory yet?

Nice summery but incomplete and flawed.

#53680
Simon_Says

Simon_Says
  • Members
  • 1 164 messages

draken-heart wrote...

Scam_poo: maybe you are right, maybe you are wrong, but it would play into my Indoc. Theory, where Shepard is strong enough to resist normal indoctrination, and attract others like him/her. After Harby hits him/her with beam, some random soldier does what Shepard is doing because it is real it is just not Shepard doing it.


Well besides the fact that it would be stupid in a narrative sense we also see Harbinger effortlessly swatting down soldiers, tanks and aircraft. Shepard only gets to the beam (whether the scene is a dream or not) only because Harbinger decided to fly away. For some reason.

#53681
balance5050

balance5050
  • Members
  • 5 245 messages

MegumiAzusa wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Have you all seen this documentary on the Indoctrination Theory yet?

Nice summery but incomplete and flawed.


We could do better, but even we don't all agree on what should be considered conclusive or not.

#53682
EpyonX3

EpyonX3
  • Members
  • 2 374 messages

balance5050 wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Have you all seen this documentary on the Indoctrination Theory yet?

Nice summery but incomplete and flawed.


We could do better, but even we don't all agree on what should be considered conclusive or not.


Exactly.

#53683
MaximizedAction

MaximizedAction
  • Members
  • 3 293 messages

balance5050 wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Have you all seen this documentary on the Indoctrination Theory yet?

Nice summery but incomplete and flawed.


We could do better, but even we don't all agree on what should be considered conclusive or not.


Welcome to the world of science ;)

#53684
MegumiAzusa

MegumiAzusa
  • Members
  • 4 238 messages

byne wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

You guys are the experts so I have a question.
What causes the catalyst to say "and most of the technology you rely on" right here:


http://www.youtube.c...1tQDPbX4#t=217s



Thats a good question...

I always assumed he said that only if your EMS was low, but they have synthesis available in that vid...

Also, how does the red wave decide what is and is not technology?

Technically the wheel is technology, and we rely on it. Are all wheels destroyed?

Maybe he saved the collector base? It could be that it's like the question where you can voice doubts if TIM is maybe right.

#53685
draken-heart

draken-heart
  • Members
  • 4 009 messages

Simon_Says wrote...

draken-heart wrote...

Scam_poo: maybe you are right, maybe you are wrong, but it would play into my Indoc. Theory, where Shepard is strong enough to resist normal indoctrination, and attract others like him/her. After Harby hits him/her with beam, some random soldier does what Shepard is doing because it is real it is just not Shepard doing it.


Well besides the fact that it would be stupid in a narrative sense we also see Harbinger effortlessly swatting down soldiers, tanks and aircraft. Shepard only gets to the beam (whether the scene is a dream or not) only because Harbinger decided to fly away. For some reason.


Zaeed may have been ablee to do it, but it does make a compromise between the Inoc. Theorists and the pro-enders

#53686
byne

byne
  • Members
  • 7 813 messages

draken-heart wrote...

Simon_Says wrote...

draken-heart wrote...

Scam_poo: maybe you are right, maybe you are wrong, but it would play into my Indoc. Theory, where Shepard is strong enough to resist normal indoctrination, and attract others like him/her. After Harby hits him/her with beam, some random soldier does what Shepard is doing because it is real it is just not Shepard doing it.


Well besides the fact that it would be stupid in a narrative sense we also see Harbinger effortlessly swatting down soldiers, tanks and aircraft. Shepard only gets to the beam (whether the scene is a dream or not) only because Harbinger decided to fly away. For some reason.


Zaeed may have been ablee to do it, but it does make a compromise between the Inoc. Theorists and the pro-enders


Non-loyal Zaeed cant even survive a fight with the two other random mercs he was working with in ME3. I doubt loyal Zaeed could survive Harby

#53687
MegumiAzusa

MegumiAzusa
  • Members
  • 4 238 messages

Tirian Thorn wrote...

byne wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

You guys are the experts so I have a question.
What causes the catalyst to say "and most of the technology you rely on" right here:


http://www.youtube.c...1tQDPbX4#t=217s



Thats a good question...

I always assumed he said that only if your EMS was low, but they have synthesis available in that vid...

Also, how does the red wave decide what is and is not technology?

Technically the wheel is technology, and we rely on it. Are all wheels destroyed?


Posted Image

I always like that scene, how the gorgon just stands there like a tree, not moving at all.

#53688
MegumiAzusa

MegumiAzusa
  • Members
  • 4 238 messages

MaximizedAction wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Have you all seen this documentary on the Indoctrination Theory yet?

Nice summery but incomplete and flawed.


We could do better, but even we don't all agree on what should be considered conclusive or not.


Welcome to the world of science ;)

It's not about that, the video has tons of flaws like saying the piles of bodies aren't there while running to the conduit while they are perfectly visible. Also the flashing of the background after being shot by Harbinger, the flashing is also there before and caused by the beam.

#53689
Tirian Thorn

Tirian Thorn
  • Members
  • 493 messages

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Tirian Thorn wrote...

byne wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

You guys are the experts so I have a question.
What causes the catalyst to say "and most of the technology you rely on" right here:


http://www.youtube.c...1tQDPbX4#t=217s



Thats a good question...

I always assumed he said that only if your EMS was low, but they have synthesis available in that vid...

Also, how does the red wave decide what is and is not technology?

Technically the wheel is technology, and we rely on it. Are all wheels destroyed?


Posted Image

I always like that scene, how the gorgon just stands there like a tree, not moving at all.


The gorgon?   What gorgon? 

This is the episode where Negelum (spelling) was experimenting on the crew with various ways to die. 

#53690
draken-heart

draken-heart
  • Members
  • 4 009 messages

byne wrote...

draken-heart wrote...

Simon_Says wrote...

draken-heart wrote...

Scam_poo: maybe you are right, maybe you are wrong, but it would play into my Indoc. Theory, where Shepard is strong enough to resist normal indoctrination, and attract others like him/her. After Harby hits him/her with beam, some random soldier does what Shepard is doing because it is real it is just not Shepard doing it.


Well besides the fact that it would be stupid in a narrative sense we also see Harbinger effortlessly swatting down soldiers, tanks and aircraft. Shepard only gets to the beam (whether the scene is a dream or not) only because Harbinger decided to fly away. For some reason.


Zaeed may have been ablee to do it, but it does make a compromise between the Inoc. Theorists and the pro-enders


Non-loyal Zaeed cant even survive a fight with the two other random mercs he was working with in ME3. I doubt loyal Zaeed could survive Harby


Loyal Zaeed can survive the SM in ME2, but the theory was just to build a bridge between what we got and IT

Modifié par draken-heart, 09 mai 2012 - 07:28 .


#53691
MegumiAzusa

MegumiAzusa
  • Members
  • 4 238 messages

Tirian Thorn wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Tirian Thorn wrote...

byne wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

You guys are the experts so I have a question.
What causes the catalyst to say "and most of the technology you rely on" right here:


http://www.youtube.c...1tQDPbX4#t=217s



Thats a good question...

I always assumed he said that only if your EMS was low, but they have synthesis available in that vid...

Also, how does the red wave decide what is and is not technology?

Technically the wheel is technology, and we rely on it. Are all wheels destroyed?


Posted Image

I always like that scene, how the gorgon just stands there like a tree, not moving at all.


The gorgon?   What gorgon? 

This is the episode where Negelum (spelling) was experimenting on the crew with various ways to die. 

Pulaski in TNG is played by the same actress who played the Medusan ambassador in TOS episode "Is There in Truth No Beauty?"
Add to that her haircut, voice, and eyes.
Hence Gorgon.

Modifié par MegumiAzusa, 09 mai 2012 - 07:28 .


#53692
Tirian Thorn

Tirian Thorn
  • Members
  • 493 messages

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Pulaski in TNG is played by the same actress who played the Medusan ambassador in TOS episode "Is There in Truth No Beauty?"
Add to that her haircut, voice, and eyes.
Hence Gorgon.


Got it.  Makes sense. 

#53693
The Captainator

The Captainator
  • Members
  • 27 messages
This thread still going on? Wow, that's dedication.

#53694
balance5050

balance5050
  • Members
  • 5 245 messages

The Captainator wrote...

This thread still going on? Wow, that's dedication.


More like addiction ;)

#53695
MaximizedAction

MaximizedAction
  • Members
  • 3 293 messages

MegumiAzusa wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Have you all seen this documentary on the Indoctrination Theory yet?

Nice summery but incomplete and flawed.


We could do better, but even we don't all agree on what should be considered conclusive or not.


Welcome to the world of science ;)

It's not about that, the video has tons of flaws like saying the piles of bodies aren't there while running to the conduit while they are perfectly visible. Also the flashing of the background after being shot by Harbinger, the flashing is also there before and caused by the beam.


The flashing was already there?

Dig this: so earlier today(dep. on your region) there were high res screenshots posted of the breath scene (Link & Link, thx Megumi and gunslinger!).
Three notable things now:

- Shep's default N7 armor had a blue tan. One guess was: the beam's reflection.
- No flashing lightening anymore.
- A shiny thing in the background that is still a mystery.

Since there's no flashing anymore, one can assume that the conduit is deactivated. It might even be destroyed, because this shiny thing looks like a part of the conduit construction. But since it's lying around, one can assume that it's broken, hence destroyed.

Interesting, so it seems that either Shepard or someone else destroyed it. (only speculation, of course)

BTW, notice that you can hear distant noises (still a battle going on?) www.youtube.com/watch while the camera flies over that shiny thing.

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 09 mai 2012 - 07:50 .


#53696
EpyonX3

EpyonX3
  • Members
  • 2 374 messages

balance5050 wrote...

The Captainator wrote...

This thread still going on? Wow, that's dedication.


More like addiction ;)


Haha yeah. It's quiet entertaining.

#53697
balance5050

balance5050
  • Members
  • 5 245 messages

EpyonX3 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

The Captainator wrote...

This thread still going on? Wow, that's dedication.


More like addiction ;)


Haha yeah. It's quiet entertaining.


I honestly wish I could move on... at least till the EC hits, but the debate just keeps pulling me back in like a sirens call.

#53698
Dagger

Dagger
  • Members
  • 85 messages
can this thread hit 2500 or 3000 pages?

#53699
EpyonX3

EpyonX3
  • Members
  • 2 374 messages

MaximizedAction wrote...


The flashing was already there?

Dig this: so earlier today(dep. on your region) there were high res screenshots posted of the breath scene (Link & Link, thx Megumi and gunslinger!).
Three notable things now:

- Shep's default N7 armor had a blue tan. One guess was: the beam's reflection.
- No flashing lightening anymore.
- A shiny thing in the background that is still a mystery.

Since there's no flashing anymore, one can assume that the conduit is deactivated. It might even be destroyed, because this shiny thing looks like a part of the conduit construction. But since it's lying around, one can assume that it's broken, hence destroyed.

Interesting, so it seems that either Shepard or someone else destroyed it. (only speculation, of course)

BTW, notice that you can hear distant noises (still a battle going on?) www.youtube.com/watch while the camera flies over that shiny thing.


Where the hell was I when those were posted. I've never seen those before. Gonna have to replay the london again.

Still doesn't explain the reaper cables though. And the blue highlights to his armor are an effect of making the scene brighter.

#53700
Tirian Thorn

Tirian Thorn
  • Members
  • 493 messages

balance5050 wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

The Captainator wrote...

This thread still going on? Wow, that's dedication.


More like addiction ;)


Haha yeah. It's quiet entertaining.


I honestly wish I could move on... at least till the EC hits, but the debate just keeps pulling me back in like a sirens call.



I try to take a break, but it only lasts so long - till the craving sets in again... 

Modifié par Tirian Thorn, 09 mai 2012 - 07:57 .