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[gunslinger_ruiz]

@ Byne

Looking at a close up screen I managed to catch those look more like rusted lengths of pipes, they don't have the same build as reaper cable or rebar.

[EpyonX3]

byne wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...


The blocks on earth matching the pattern in the breathe scene got me thinking again. We still need the cables explained and then I'll be 100% convinced it is on earth.

In the meantime, I'm preparing additional possibilities, some that can be explained through EC.

One that I can come up with other than the Citated falling back to earth while shepard is on it is that Shepard managed to limp back or was blown back into, the control panel room while everything was blowing up. There he got back to the hallway he came through and took the beam back down just in time before the Citadel itself blew up.

Debris from the Citadel would explain the cables and other hard to distinguish parts in the final scene.

Of course, I'm still open to the possibility that he never left, though I'm not too sure about it given the consequences of this being true.

The circled thing kinda looks like one of those cables.

Can you link that image. It's too small for me to tell.

[Adambomb1222]

EpyonX3 wrote...

Uncle Jo wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...


The flashing was already there?

Dig this: so earlier today(dep. on your region) there were high res screenshots posted of the breath scene (Link & Link, thx Megumi and gunslinger!).
Three notable things now:

- Shep's default N7 armor had a blue tan. One guess was: the beam's reflection.
- No flashing lightening anymore.
- A shiny thing in the background that is still a mystery.

Since there's no flashing anymore, one can assume that the conduit is deactivated. It might even be destroyed, because this shiny thing looks like a part of the conduit construction. But since it's lying around, one can assume that it's broken, hence destroyed.

Interesting, so it seems that either Shepard or someone else destroyed it. (only speculation, of course)

BTW, notice that you can hear distant noises (still a battle going on?) www.youtube.com/watch while the camera flies over that shiny thing.

By the way, could you guys tell me what are your thoughts about the sound at the beginning of the breath scene ? While I completely agree that it took place on Earth and very likely near the beam, this sound in the background doesn't seem to match with it (it sounds more like a metallic structure about to collapse)... Maybe I'm wrong but it's still bugging me a little...

The blocks on earth matching the pattern in the breathe scene got me thinking again. We still need the cables explained and then I'll be 100% convinced it is on earth.

In the meantime, I'm preparing additional possibilities, some that can be explained through EC.

One that I can come up with other than the Citated falling back to earth while shepard is on it is that Shepard managed to limp back or was blown back into, the control panel room while everything was blowing up. There he got back to the hallway he came through and took the beam back down just in time before the Citadel itself blew up.

Debris from the Citadel would explain the cables and other hard to distinguish parts in the final scene.

Of course, I'm still open to the possibility that he never left, though I'm not too sure about it given the consequences of this being true.

I'm guessing the "cables" are something like futuristic rebar, the stuff they use to reinforce concrete... The same concrerte rubble we see lying all around Shaepard.

EDIT: And say Shepard did fall from space when the Citadel was destroyed... how would there be huge slabs of concrete ontop of him?

Modifié par Adambomb1222, 09 mai 2012 - 08:48 .

[EpyonX3]

byne wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

I maintain my position that if Shepard never made it to the beam, then the beam should still be on and bright as hell, since the reapers stopped the threat and still need it on for transporting people.

The Reapers literally never eeded the beam to transport anyone.

From the Reaper Variants codex entry...

* TROOP TRANSPORTS carry husks to unconquered planets and bring victims of the harvest to Reaper processing centers. They vary in length from 200 meters to one kilometer, but, unlike capital ships and destroyers, do not appear to be self-aware. Instead, other Reapers operate troop transports remotely.

* PROCESSORS, also called "slaughter ships," are mobile centers for mass DNA harvesting. Like troop transports, processors appear to be remotely operated by sapient Reapers.

The beam being used to transport people really doesnt make any sense, unless the Reapers wanted to use it to lure Shepard into a trap.

Unless the processors take that raw DNA to the Citadel or other reaper factories. Since the Citadel is over earth, why use processors and transporters, when they can do both in one shot?

[byne]

EpyonX3 wrote...


Can you link that image. It's too small for me to tell.

gunslinger linked it right above you. Doesnt really look much like Reaper cables after all, I guess.

But still, either way, theres no way Shep is on the Citadel. The explosion was simply too big for Shep to survive at ground zero

[gunslinger_ruiz]

Adambomb1222 wrote...

*snip*

I'm guessing the "cables" are something like futuristic rebar, the stuff they use to reinforce concrete... The same concrerte rubble we see lying all around Shaepard.

I'd be inclinded to agree with you but there's way too much rebar i nthe rubble around London and it all looks liek traditional rust colored rebar. Not only that but the cables in the breath scene have the distince patterns of Reaper cable.

[MegumiAzusa]

EpyonX3 wrote...

byne wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...


The blocks on earth matching the pattern in the breathe scene got me thinking again. We still need the cables explained and then I'll be 100% convinced it is on earth.

In the meantime, I'm preparing additional possibilities, some that can be explained through EC.

One that I can come up with other than the Citated falling back to earth while shepard is on it is that Shepard managed to limp back or was blown back into, the control panel room while everything was blowing up. There he got back to the hallway he came through and took the beam back down just in time before the Citadel itself blew up.

Debris from the Citadel would explain the cables and other hard to distinguish parts in the final scene.

Of course, I'm still open to the possibility that he never left, though I'm not too sure about it given the consequences of this being true.

The circled thing kinda looks like one of those cables.

Can you link that image. It's too small for me to tell.

doesn't seem likely.

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[byne]

EpyonX3 wrote...

byne wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

I maintain my position that if Shepard never made it to the beam, then the beam should still be on and bright as hell, since the reapers stopped the threat and still need it on for transporting people.

The Reapers literally never eeded the beam to transport anyone.

From the Reaper Variants codex entry...

* TROOP TRANSPORTS carry husks to unconquered planets and bring victims of the harvest to Reaper processing centers. They vary in length from 200 meters to one kilometer, but, unlike capital ships and destroyers, do not appear to be self-aware. Instead, other Reapers operate troop transports remotely.

* PROCESSORS, also called "slaughter ships," are mobile centers for mass DNA harvesting. Like troop transports, processors appear to be remotely operated by sapient Reapers.

The beam being used to transport people really doesnt make any sense, unless the Reapers wanted to use it to lure Shepard into a trap.

Unless the processors take that raw DNA to the Citadel or other reaper factories. Since the Citadel is over earth, why use processors and transporters, when they can do both in one shot?

Because some pesky humans might breach your defenses and ride the beam up to the Citadel, totally undoing all your plans?

I really doubt the Reapers are stupid enough to leave a gaping hole in their defenses just out of convenience.

[gunslinger_ruiz]

byne wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...


Can you link that image. It's too small for me to tell.

gunslinger linked it right above you. Doesnt really look much like Reaper cables after all, I guess.

But still, either way, theres no way Shep is on the Citadel. The explosion was simply too big for Shep to survive at ground zero

But...The rubble means Shepard is on Earth.... The cables mean Shepard could be on the Citadel, but he/she cna't be on the Citadel because of the rubble, but it might not be on Earth because of the cable--- Someone stop this madness! *getting caught in a thought paradox*

[Unschuld]

byne wrote...

Rksmithers wrote...

Unschuld wrote...

byne wrote...

Plus, even if Tali is your romance and she kills herself, you still get zombie Tali to come visit you before the attack on the Cerberus base, so you dont even miss out on your romance scene.

Shep is hallucinating happy time with Tali. Totally a check in the box for Indoc theory.

ok im all for the indocrination theory, but THAT is definately grasping at straws........... that i would blame on continginsy errors..........

>referring to a post about Tali
>not saying emergency induction ports

I dont even


Anyhow, yeah, Tali showing up probably is a glitch, but if IT turns out to be true, Bioware could just say it isnt a glitch, and is in fact Shepard hallucinating.

IT fixes so many of the problems with the last hour or so of the game that even if it wasnt Bioware's original plan, it'd be silly of them not to just claim it was and run with it.

I know my humor can be pretty deadpan most of the time, but I was still hoping everyone saw that as a joke. 

[Adambomb1222]

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

Adambomb1222 wrote...

*snip*

I'm guessing the "cables" are something like futuristic rebar, the stuff they use to reinforce concrete... The same concrerte rubble we see lying all around Shaepard.

I'd be inclinded to agree with you but there's way too much rebar i nthe rubble around London and it all looks liek traditional rust colored rebar. Not only that but the cables in the breath scene have the distince patterns of Reaper cable.

Yes, there is alot of old rebar around... and even in future London there were alot of old buildings. But this "new" rebar would have been made using mass effect fields... who knows what kind of pattern they would impart.

[byne]

Unschuld wrote...

I know my humor can be pretty deadpan most of the time, but I was still hoping everyone saw that as a joke. 

Dont worry, I knew you were joking.

[gunslinger_ruiz]

@Unshuld

don't worry, I was laughing a bit

[gunslinger_ruiz]

Adambomb1222 wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

Adambomb1222 wrote...

*snip*

I'm guessing the "cables" are something like futuristic rebar, the stuff they use to reinforce concrete... The same concrerte rubble we see lying all around Shaepard.

I'd be inclinded to agree with you but there's way too much rebar i nthe rubble around London and it all looks liek traditional rust colored rebar. Not only that but the cables in the breath scene have the distince patterns of Reaper cable.

Yes, there is alot of old rebar around... and even in future London there were alot of old buildings. But this "new" rebar would have been made using mass effect fields... who knows what kind of pattern they would impart.

If you can get a picture of this "new rebar" outside of the breath scene you'd make a lot of our heads stop hurting. Until then, I'm 95/5 sure the breath scene is full reaper cable.

[byne]

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

If you can get a picture of this "new rebar" outside of the breath scene you'd make a lot of our heads stop hurting. Until then, I'm 95/5 sure the breath scene is full reaper cable.

We seem to get into a discussion about whether it is reaper cable or rebar every other day.

We should just call it reapbar from now on, until we can definitively say one way or the other.

[dreamgazer]

I'm not really into the idea of playing through Priority: Earth right now since the current game I'm playing is just post-genophage, or I'd check this out myself:

Are there really no reaper cables scattered around on London, anywhere? I mean, they're all over the place during the rachni-Reaper-Grunt mission (and those look very similar to the cylindrical structure in the final cutscene).

[MaximizedAction]

dreamgazer wrote...

I'm not really into the idea of playing through Priority: Earth right now since the current game I'm playing is just post-genophage, or I'd check this out myself:

Are there really no reaper cables scattered around on London, anywhere? I mean, they're all over the place during the rachni-Reaper-Grunt mission (and those look very similar to the cylindrical structure in the final cutscene).

Yeah. Why can't the cables just be wiring from the conduit?

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 09 mai 2012 - 09:01 .

[Adambomb1222]

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Love it!

[gunslinger_ruiz]

byne wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

If you can get a picture of this "new rebar" outside of the breath scene you'd make a lot of our heads stop hurting. Until then, I'm 95/5 sure the breath scene is full reaper cable.

We seem to get into a discussion about whether it is reaper cable or rebar every other day.

We should just call it reapbar from now on, until we can definitively say one way or the other.

Yeah cept my comparison link should be stopping a lot of these *headdesk*

dreamgazer wrote...

I'm not really into the idea of
playing through Priority: Earth right now since the current game I'm
playing is just post-genophage, or I'd check this out myself:

Are
there really no reaper cables scattered around on London, anywhere? I
mean, they're all over the place during the rachni-Reaper-Grunt mission
(and those look very similar to the cylindrical structure in the final
cutscene).

I've played through Priority: Earth a good 5 times for the full duration taking screenshots along the way and didn't see a single Reaper cable, even around the reaper mounted guns in a building. The only place they could be from is the Beam structure but you can't see them on the outside.

[MegumiAzusa]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

byne wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...


The blocks on earth matching the pattern in the breathe scene got me thinking again. We still need the cables explained and then I'll be 100% convinced it is on earth.

In the meantime, I'm preparing additional possibilities, some that can be explained through EC.

One that I can come up with other than the Citated falling back to earth while shepard is on it is that Shepard managed to limp back or was blown back into, the control panel room while everything was blowing up. There he got back to the hallway he came through and took the beam back down just in time before the Citadel itself blew up.

Debris from the Citadel would explain the cables and other hard to distinguish parts in the final scene.

Of course, I'm still open to the possibility that he never left, though I'm not too sure about it given the consequences of this being true.

The circled thing kinda looks like one of those cables.

Can you link that image. It's too small for me to tell.

~~~~
doesn't seem likely.

Maybe your idea wasn't so bad afterall:


reminds you of something?


right:

[EpyonX3]

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

Check my sig for a comparison of Reaper cable in the breath scene. Interesting wrinkle, I went all through London and didn't find one Reaper cable but found plenty of breath scene rubble. Now, if we assume the rubble means the scene takes place on Earth then it can't take place on the Citadel. If we assume the cables are from the Citadel, then the breath scene can't take place on Earth....

They cannot take place on each other mostly because of this:


*Snip*

Shepard is ground zero for that explosion, it's large enough to knock the Citadel apart. There would be nothing left of Shepard to Get knocked back into the elavator or the beam or to ride out Citadel wreckage back to Earth. Not only that, there isn't anything I would call "Citadel tech" in the Breath scene. Everything identifiable is either Earth in origin or has Reaper-tech trademarks.

Now, it's possible the Beam itself had these Reaper cables, but we cannot see where from Shepard's perspective and believe me I've tried.

I know you can't see them. I even used flycam to check and they weren't there, so I believe you. This is why I'm not 100% convinced.

Now what I've observed since the beginning of all this is that time seems to pass strangely. The time it takes for Shepard to wake up, the space magic to cover the earth, the space magic to shoot, and the Citadel to blow up seemed odd.

How long was Shepard out? Minutes? Hours? We don't know. How about the time that it takes to cover the Earth with space magic, red in the case we're discussing?

If you take a look at the image when the Citadel is exploding shortly after it shoots, you can see the earth and all space behind it is clear. The read magic has clear up on a planetary scale. This indicated that some time has gone by between the spread of the red magic and the actual shot and explosion. Giving Shepard more than enough time to find a way out.

One possibility is that he made it back down to through the beam just before the explosion and cables came frrom citadel debris, or that he may have hitched a ride on the crucible. Who knows if the crucible was built with an escape plan, since it was built with the possibility of destroying the citadel.

Hitching a ride on the crucible would explain some of the odd parts in the final scene and the cables, while the blocks would indicate that the crucible made it back to earth.

It's a long shot but what do you guys think?

[Rosewind]

Am I the only one who thinks that metal looking thing in the background looks like the bonnet of a old 1950's car?

[Unschuld]

MegumiAzusa wrote...
Maybe your idea wasn't so bad afterall:
*snip*
*snip*
reminds you of something?


right:
*snip*

O_O

Oh... wow... I mean, I can see that that rock shape is a reused asset (repeated twice in the first two pics), but the fact that it's paired with that piece of scrap that's going up at a similar angle to the one in the dream, with the same arrangement... well...

Things that make me go "hmmm..."

Modifié par Unschuld, 09 mai 2012 - 09:16 .

[EpyonX3]

byne wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

byne wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

I maintain my position that if Shepard never made it to the beam, then the beam should still be on and bright as hell, since the reapers stopped the threat and still need it on for transporting people.

The Reapers literally never eeded the beam to transport anyone.

From the Reaper Variants codex entry...

* TROOP TRANSPORTS carry husks to unconquered planets and bring victims of the harvest to Reaper processing centers. They vary in length from 200 meters to one kilometer, but, unlike capital ships and destroyers, do not appear to be self-aware. Instead, other Reapers operate troop transports remotely.

* PROCESSORS, also called "slaughter ships," are mobile centers for mass DNA harvesting. Like troop transports, processors appear to be remotely operated by sapient Reapers.

The beam being used to transport people really doesnt make any sense, unless the Reapers wanted to use it to lure Shepard into a trap.

Unless the processors take that raw DNA to the Citadel or other reaper factories. Since the Citadel is over earth, why use processors and transporters, when they can do both in one shot?

Because some pesky humans might breach your defenses and ride the beam up to the Citadel, totally undoing all your plans?

I really doubt the Reapers are stupid enough to leave a gaping hole in their defenses just out of convenience.

Arrogance leads to overconfidence.