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[Rawgrim]

I think seeing Anderson chosing Destroy, is a good indicator towards what the correct choice was.

[BlackDragonBane]

TcomJ wrote...

Ok, I admit that the part where Shep is on The Crucible makes so much sense witht he theory you guys mention.... BUT THERE IS A HUGE PROBLEM WITH THIS THEORY.

For Hallucination theory:

- So after you choose any of the option, the main problem is with JOKER!!!! Don't for get he runs away from the blast regardless what the color is.

- Your crewmate magically appear to be on the Normandy when they were fighting on Earth.

- So if you choose red and Shep appears, Joker land on a random planet is now a dream too? Massrelay destruction is a dream too? C'mon.

Therefore the halucination (dreaming) theory doesn't support why this ending is so bad.

For indoctrination theory:

- This is a really good theory explaining this ending, but the ending is still horrifying compare of how much better Bioware can do.

- Think about it, spend 100+ hrs for ME1,2,3, collecting crucible techs, military strength, and try to save everybody making the peace pact...."Sorry, your shep is now indoctrinated and you only have this option". More like a sorry excuse to be lazy.

This is the ending I recommend you guys to read. It has indoctrination element and much clearer explaination of what actually happen to the story for any players:


http://social.biowar...index/9833130/1
THIS IS NOW MY ENDING!!!! VERY WELL WRITTEN!!!

The part with the Normandy is part of the indoctrinated hallucination. Shepard wants the Normandy, it's crew, and his/her LI and friends safe, so it's not illogical to think Shepard would also think that the decision they made with the Crucible would affect his companions (explaining the variants in the Normandy ending)

Likely, in reality, the Normandy never left Earth. It's just Shepard creating closure for themselves when they die or right before they wake up.

[Auresta]

Priss Blackburne wrote...

I don't know if this was said before but I did notice when Shepard started firing at the destroy option with the gun he/she was very weak barely able to fire. Then got stronger and more confident the more shots he/she fired at it.

Addressed - and if you watch the other endings, Shepard still gains a surge of strength and resolve.

[PlumPaul93]

ACWolfe wrote...

Not sure if this has been brought up already (don't have time to look through 200+ pages), so if it has, my apologies. If it hasn't, uh, yay?

So, I think I may have found something that may lend credence to the "hallucination" theory. Since I'm terrible at keeping comments short 'n tidy, let me just link you to one of the many pages that popped up after Bioware announced the last VGA teaser trailer clue back in 2010, which eventually led to the reveal of ME3.

Latest Bioware VGA Teaser is a Red Herring

And here's the best definition I could find for said fish:

A red herring is a clue or piece of information which is intended to be misleading, or distracting from the actual issue. For example, in mystery fiction, where the identity of a criminal is being sought, an innocent party may be purposefully cast in a guilty light by the author through the employment of deceptive clues, false emphasis, "loaded" words or other descriptive tricks of the trade. The reader's suspicions are thus misdirected, allowing the true culprit to go (temporarily at least) undetected.

Seems the Catalyst/Child fits the definition of a "red herring" to a C. ... That is a joke.

Now, if all of this ends up being true, I shall applaud Bioware for manging to "indoctrinate" most if not all of their fanbase. This would be the best damned trolling ever, tbh.

So you'd applaud them for making you pay $10 more at least for an ending you'd like better? Sounds like you guys are in the bargaining stage.

[eoinnx03]

Yeah I kind of feel like I'm being jerked around also. Ive felt better since reading this thread and the OP, I hope its not false hope, but the sick feeling Ive had in my stomach since playing the game is gone now.

[Dessalines]

TcomJ wrote...

Ok, I admit that the part where Shep is on The Crucible makes so much sense witht he theory you guys mention.... BUT THERE IS A HUGE PROBLEM WITH THIS THEORY.

For Hallucination theory:

- So after you choose any of the option, the main problem is with JOKER!!!! Don't for get he runs away from the blast regardless what the color is.

- Your crewmate magically appear to be on the Normandy when they were fighting on Earth.

- So if you choose red and Shep appears, Joker land on a random planet is now a dream too? Massrelay destruction is a dream too? C'mon.

Therefore the halucination (dreaming) theory doesn't support why this ending is so bad.

For indoctrination theory:

- This is a really good theory explaining this ending, but the ending is still horrifying compare of how much better Bioware can do.

- Think about it, spend 100+ hrs for ME1,2,3, collecting crucible techs, military strength, and try to save everybody making the peace pact...."Sorry, your shep is now indoctrinated and you only have this option". More like a sorry excuse to be lazy.

- With the list just above, tell me with your straight face that this is a good design endings???

This is the ending I recommend you guys to read. It has indoctrination element and much clearer explaination of what actually happen to the story for any players:


http://social.biowar...index/9833130/1
THIS IS NOW MY ENDING!!!! VERY WELL WRITTEN!!!

Joker, did not run away. It is just an image in Shep's mind. Liara told my shep how nice it would be for a ship to get lost and find a peaceful planet.  It is from Shep's mind. It is like the room with the control panel look like the IM room. The both have views of a planet, and there is even a ramp to get to the both of them.

[Phydeaux314]

The statement was made in a tweet by the CM.

Anyway, I understand perfectly the desire to let everyone play the game before responding. Hasty decisions rarely end well.

[PrivateFrost]

http://www.reddit.co..._mild_spoilers/

I actually really liked this idea.

[ReclaimedHavoc]

Not that I'm trying to be negative or anything, but do you guys think any of our theories here were running through the writers minds as the ending was wrote?

[StripedStocking]

Fattness132 wrote...

As a paragon shep i actually chose destroy my first time. Knowing that it meant that the geth and EDI were going to be destroyed, i made the choice for the greater good of destroying the reapers and freeing the rest of the galaxy.

Seeing how the whole conversation with TiM before speaking with the kid was about how he was being controlled by the reapers, and could not control them himself, i saw this as being the worst possible choice.

Synthesis for me was also a choice my shep just couldnt make - destroying what made the galaxy what it was - the differences between the species. Synthesis makes everyone into basically the same thing, destroying their individuality.

I really hope this theory is true, so i can say i resisted the indoctrination on my first try lol.

Exact same thing happened in my first playthrough, and I really hope this indoctrination theory proves to be true, that'd be mindblowing

[Arlind Webb]

BEST NEWS EVER!

Elmogaming wrote...

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· Open

@masseffect Any idea when the debree on earth around the n7 armor is going to be removed?
Mass Effect Mass Effect ‏ @masseffect

Close

@alaggyhost We have no ETA at this time

Another OMG BIOWARE ARE YOU TEASING US "moment"

[Unlimited Kaerne]

 I finished the game just a few hours ago, and the ending as I saw it was so bad, so slap-dash and unfulfilling that it threatened to poison the first, wonderful 95% in my memory. I immediately ran to the forums and wikias, desperately hoping that I'd just screwed up something, somehow.

Then a comment in a Kotaku thread brought me here; I started reading the OP, and was dubious.

Then I read a little further and was interested.

And now I've finished, I hope. I hope so hard, it's like a pain deep in my stomach.

So thank you to everyone that has worked to compile this theory. I know that the chances of it being a deliberate move by Bioware are remote at best. I know the chances of them releasing a DLC to prove this theory right are almost non-existant. I know that officially these awful, lazy endings will likely remain canon.

But for me, right now, and every time I replay the game this theory will be what's in my mind as the credits fade and I see Shepard take that breath. To all you theorists: You have saved Mass Effect for me. You've saved Shepard.

Thank you.

Modifié par Unlimited Kaerne, 12 mars 2012 - 11:54 .

[ReclaimedHavoc]

BringBackNihlus wrote...

wryterra wrote...

BringBackNihlus wrote...

I'm not going to lie, I'm getting really tired of Bioware jerking us around with this. Either way it goes, I'd like to have an answer soon.

The only official comment I've seen form BioWare is a reminder that the game isn't even out in all territories so let's give everyone a chance to play it first. (Paraphrasing but that was about it) 

That's wonderful. Make that statement, and then go underground until it's time to comment. I'm tired of the cryptic tweets by all these employees. 

+1

[kyrieee]

raeting wrote...

Hehe, everyone is right! The ending is open to interpretation.

To me that means they will never confirm it
They will never continue the story past Shepard waking up

[G0thicRhino]

BlackDragonBane wrote...

TcomJ wrote...

Ok, I admit that the part where Shep is on The Crucible makes so much sense witht he theory you guys mention.... BUT THERE IS A HUGE PROBLEM WITH THIS THEORY.

For Hallucination theory:

- So after you choose any of the option, the main problem is with JOKER!!!! Don't for get he runs away from the blast regardless what the color is.

- Your crewmate magically appear to be on the Normandy when they were fighting on Earth.

- So if you choose red and Shep appears, Joker land on a random planet is now a dream too? Massrelay destruction is a dream too? C'mon.

Therefore the halucination (dreaming) theory doesn't support why this ending is so bad.

For indoctrination theory:

- This is a really good theory explaining this ending, but the ending is still horrifying compare of how much better Bioware can do.

- Think about it, spend 100+ hrs for ME1,2,3, collecting crucible techs, military strength, and try to save everybody making the peace pact...."Sorry, your shep is now indoctrinated and you only have this option". More like a sorry excuse to be lazy.

This is the ending I recommend you guys to read. It has indoctrination element and much clearer explaination of what actually happen to the story for any players:


http://social.biowar...index/9833130/1
THIS IS NOW MY ENDING!!!! VERY WELL WRITTEN!!!

The part with the Normandy is part of the indoctrinated hallucination. Shepard wants the Normandy, it's crew, and his/her LI and friends safe, so it's not illogical to think Shepard would also think that the decision they made with the Crucible would affect his companions (explaining the variants in the Normandy ending)

Likely, in reality, the Normandy never left Earth. It's just Shepard creating closure for themselves when they die or right before they wake up.

Yes, or Indoctrination still in effect. Creating some "closure" for Shep. Therefore Shep gives in and... dies. It's say a... failsafe to keep Shepard out of the battle.

EDIT: DERP. You said that.

Modifié par G0thicRhino, 12 mars 2012 - 11:55 .

[BlackDragonBane]

I think the cryptic tweets prove that we're on to something the more we press them about it. Their answers are getting more and more evasive if you look at them again.

[Dessalines]

The Catalyst is also confrontation to some Sheps and nice to others.I know the dialogue I got was different from what I am seeing on these you tube videos.

[Scottish_highlander]

Anderson talks about a wall moving. Some of the Cerberus engineers on the derelict reaper in me2 mention the same thing.

[De1ta G]

That arrival dlc seems to be more important than it did more. Someone should go replay it.

[Dougremer]

Fattness132 wrote...

Kumekerion wrote...

I chose synthesis because I didn't want to destroy the geth or EDI. So if it was intentional manipulation of the player (me) then it worked lol.

As a paragon shep i actually chose destroy my first time. Knowing that it meant that the geth and EDI were going to be destroyed, i made the choice for the greater good of destroying the reapers and freeing the rest of the galaxy.

Seeing how the whole conversation with TiM before speaking with the kid was about how he was being controlled by the reapers, and could not control them himself, i saw this as being the worst possible choice.

Synthesis for me was also a choice my shep just couldnt make - destroying what made the galaxy what it was - the differences between the species. Synthesis makes everyone into basically the same thing, destroying their individuality.

I really hope this theory is true, so i can say i resisted the indoctrination on my first try lol.

I envy your skills. I wish I did that the first time. But then again, I didn't pay attention which side was destroy (cause that was what I wanted) and went for the controlling the reapers. So I choosed wrong cause I mixed them up, but then again I choosed paragon cause that was what I thought was "Destroy" the reapers

[ReclaimedHavoc]

Dessalines wrote...

The Catalyst is also confrontation to some Sheps and nice to others.I know the dialogue I got was different from what I am seeing on these you tube videos.

Can you elaborate on that?

[njfluffy19]

ReclaimedHavoc wrote...

I don't know if you guys saw, but hi, I'm new, and this whole theory here gives me hope, and makes lot's of sense. So thanks for that.

Regarding to the voices, I heard the female voice, and a low male whisper, but I can't make out whether it's Shep or not.

I heard them personally and can confirm they are both male shep and female shep-- or sound exactly like them. You have to put one earphone to your head at one time to hear them. Left is fem, right is man. I actually made out manshep's voice first.

[Sl4sh3r]

They're going to come out and tell us:
"We gave an infinite amount of endings, by letting you decide what happens to your Shep! NOW BUY DLC!"

[Malanek]

PlumPaul82393 wrote...
So you'd applaud them for making you pay $10 more at least for an ending you'd like better? Sounds like you guys are in the bargaining stage.

If this was all planned they could have everything ready to download as soon as they feel confident that enough players have finished the game. I don't see why they would charge because it is very much part of the main game. I still think it is somewhat unlikely but I was completely dismissing it a couple of hours ago. I think it would be a unique and quite clever way to end the series. I don't recall anything like this ever being done.