I see a continuation of how all this makes us see things outside of BSN. I've been there.
We are SCREWED for life.
S C R E W E D
A few days ago parts of a city mall were under construction and there was some concrete drilling going on. In my head sounded like Reaper growls, especially since they were drilling in intervalls. I lol'd.
When I was driving home a few days ago, I passed some kind of truck doing electrical work.
It had three spools of wires on the back.
One spool was red, one was blue, and one was green.
My first thought was 'I need to destroy that truck.'
...
And I thought it was weird I had a Gurren Lagann / Mass Effect crossover dream right after watching the ending (I also watched the ending of Gurren Lagann right after to cope with the Mass Effect ending) where Shepard transformed into a galaxy sized mech and the Reapers combined into another galaxy sized mech resulting in battle of epic propotions...
Weirdest part is that Mordin took the role of Kamina somehow...
Modifié par Raistlin Majare 1992, 10 mai 2012 - 08:23 .
The only dream about ME I had lately was about Shep and Kai Leng running towards the beam, dying, and then magically being reset and starting over, and that went on for hours.
Modifié par Earthborn_Shepard, 10 mai 2012 - 08:27 .
Here's a thought: Joker isnt looking backwards in destroy/synthesis...he's looking to his right, where EDI is sitting. In synthesis, she's all turning half-organic, somehow, but in destroy, she could be malfunctioning and dying, because of her Reaper tech upgrades. I don't think all Geth died, or most of the Catalyst's disingenuous assertions, but this is a valid possibility. Why Joker forgets his true love and sentient spaceship is dead immediately afterwords, is another story...
That could be possible, except doesn't Joker look behind him to the left whereas Edi was always sitting to his right
When I was driving home a few days ago, I passed some kind of truck doing electrical work.
It had three spools of wires on the back.
One spool was red, one was blue, and one was green.
My first thought was 'I need to destroy that truck.'
You have three choices.
Open the window and throw something at the red spool, causing the truck to explode, and wire everywhere will also explode, ruining everything that uses wire. It wont help though, because someone will come along and make a new truck. So dont do that.
Or, do you think you can reach out and touch the blue spool and take control of the truck? You'll lose your current vehicle, and everything you have in it, but the truck will go where you want. I wont tell you whether or not anyone will make another truck.
There is another option. You can pull alongside the truck, make a flying leap at the green spool, miss horribly, and splatter yourself on hot asphalt. Everything you are will be sent out, merging your DNA with the pavement. Nevermind that this is inconsiderate because everyone still needs to drive on that road.
When I was driving home a few days ago, I passed some kind of truck doing electrical work.
It had three spools of wires on the back.
One spool was red, one was blue, and one was green.
My first thought was 'I need to destroy that truck.'
You have three choices.
Open the window and throw something at the red spool, causing the truck to explode, and wire everywhere will also explode, ruining everything that uses wire. It wont help though, because someone will come along and make a new truck. So dont do that.
Or, do you think you can reach out and touch the blue spool and take control of the truck? You'll lose your current vehicle, and everything you have in it, but the truck will go where you want. I wont tell you whether or not anyone will make another truck.
There is another option. You can pull alongside the truck, make a flying leap at the green spool, miss horribly, and splatter yourself on hot asphalt. Everything you are will be sent out, merging your DNA with the pavement. Nevermind that this is inconsiderate because everyone still needs to drive on that road.
When I was driving home a few days ago, I passed some kind of truck doing electrical work.
It had three spools of wires on the back.
One spool was red, one was blue, and one was green.
My first thought was 'I need to destroy that truck.'
You have three choices.
Open the window and throw something at the red spool, causing the truck to explode, and wire everywhere will also explode, ruining everything that uses wire. It wont help though, because someone will come along and make a new truck. So dont do that.
Or, do you think you can reach out and touch the blue spool and take control of the truck? You'll lose your current vehicle, and everything you have in it, but the truck will go where you want. I wont tell you whether or not anyone will make another truck.
There is another option. You can pull alongside the truck, make a flying leap at the green spool, miss horribly, and splatter yourself on hot asphalt. Everything you are will be sent out, merging your DNA with the pavement. Nevermind that this is inconsiderate because everyone still needs to drive on that road.
The only dream about ME I had lately was about Shep and Kai Leng running towards the beam, dying, and then magically being reset and starting over, and that went on for hours.
Hmm, I dreamt I was Shepard, sitting badly wounded in a hospital bed, my head resting in a feminine lap, someone reciting Tennyson poetry.
So, how long do you think a speed run of all three ME games, doing the least I can possibly do and skipping all dialogue each game would take me?
I kinda wanna try it.
Skipping dialogue and bonus missions and on easy difficulty I would wager somewhere between 8-12hrs for the complete franchise(I don't really see the point of doing it this was though
The only dream about ME I had lately was about Shep and Kai Leng running towards the beam, dying, and then magically being reset and starting over, and that went on for hours.
Hmm, I dreamt I was Shepard, sitting badly wounded in a hospital bed, my head resting in a feminine lap, someone reciting Tennyson poetry.
Goddamn I feel lonely...
Awwwwwwww
Ok I admit I had a Kaidan dream once, but since you're all guys I won't explain any further
The only dream about ME I had lately was about Shep and Kai Leng running towards the beam, dying, and then magically being reset and starting over, and that went on for hours.
Hmm, I dreamt I was Shepard, sitting badly wounded in a hospital bed, my head resting in a feminine lap, someone reciting Tennyson poetry.
Goddamn I feel lonely...
Brohugs all 'round.
Aaaand that forsaken clock is staring at me again. Goodnight all!
The only dream about ME I had lately was about Shep and Kai Leng running towards the beam, dying, and then magically being reset and starting over, and that went on for hours.
Hmm, I dreamt I was Shepard, sitting badly wounded in a hospital bed, my head resting in a feminine lap, someone reciting Tennyson poetry.
Goddamn I feel lonely...
*snip*
Awwwwwwww
Ok I admit I had a Kaidan dream once, but since you're all guys I won't explain any further
I'm single, and desperate!
Ok, I kid, mostly desperate.
The woes of being a twenty-something, eh?
Anywho, bigass post coming in whenever you lot are braced.
The only dream about ME I had lately was about Shep and Kai Leng running towards the beam, dying, and then magically being reset and starting over, and that went on for hours.
Hmm, I dreamt I was Shepard, sitting badly wounded in a hospital bed, my head resting in a feminine lap, someone reciting Tennyson poetry.
Goddamn I feel lonely...
*foreversnip'd*
That reminds me, has BioWare ever actually said at what point you're supposed to receive the 'Hey, Skipper. They might actually let me see you today. Hang in there.' message from Ash on the Datapad?
Because it really makes no sense at any point throughout the game.
Cant be from the beginning, cause Ash never once tried to see you while you were in custody, and it cant be when Ash was in the hospital, because no one ever stopped you from going to see her, plus her telling you to hang in there would make no sense.
Also theres a Kaidan one:
'Hey, Commander. Thought I might come down to see you today--if they let me. Here's hoping.'
I've only ever received the Ashley one once, and that was after beating the game, which if she's on the jungle planet just makes no sense.
The only dream about ME I had lately was about Shep and Kai Leng running towards the beam, dying, and then magically being reset and starting over, and that went on for hours.
Hmm, I dreamt I was Shepard, sitting badly wounded in a hospital bed, my head resting in a feminine lap, someone reciting Tennyson poetry.
Goddamn I feel lonely...
*snip*
Awwwwwwww
Ok I admit I had a Kaidan dream once, but since you're all guys I won't explain any further
I'm single, and desperate!
Ok, I kid, mostly desperate.
The woes of being a twenty-something, eh?
Anywho, bigass post coming in whenever you lot are braced.
Just give me a moment.
*Quickly attaches monitor to ceiling and lies down on bed for comfort*
The only dream about ME I had lately was about Shep and Kai Leng running towards the beam, dying, and then magically being reset and starting over, and that went on for hours.
Hmm, I dreamt I was Shepard, sitting badly wounded in a hospital bed, my head resting in a feminine lap, someone reciting Tennyson poetry.
Goddamn I feel lonely...
*foreversnip'd*
That reminds me, has BioWare ever actually said at what point you're supposed to receive the 'Hey, Skipper. They might actually let me see you today. Hang in there.' message from Ash on the Datapad?
Because it really makes no sense at any point throughout the game.
Cant be from the beginning, cause Ash never once tried to see you while you were in custody, and it cant be when Ash was in the hospital, because no one ever stopped you from going to see her, plus her telling you to hang in there would make no sense.
Also theres a Kaidan one:
'Hey, Commander. Thought I might come down to see you today--if they let me. Here's hoping.'
I've only ever received the Ashley one once, and that was after beating the game, which if she's on the jungle planet just makes no sense.
The come after beating the game but not starting a new playthrough?
Modifié par MaximizedAction, 10 mai 2012 - 08:54 .
The only dream about ME I had lately was about Shep and Kai Leng running towards the beam, dying, and then magically being reset and starting over, and that went on for hours.
Hmm, I dreamt I was Shepard, sitting badly wounded in a hospital bed, my head resting in a feminine lap, someone reciting Tennyson poetry.
Goddamn I feel lonely...
*foreversnip'd*
That reminds me, has BioWare ever actually said at what point you're supposed to receive the 'Hey, Skipper. They might actually let me see you today. Hang in there.' message from Ash on the Datapad?
Because it really makes no sense at any point throughout the game.
Cant be from the beginning, cause Ash never once tried to see you while you were in custody, and it cant be when Ash was in the hospital, because no one ever stopped you from going to see her, plus her telling you to hang in there would make no sense.
Also theres a Kaidan one:
'Hey, Commander. Thought I might come down to see you today--if they let me. Here's hoping.'
I've only ever received the Ashley one once, and that was after beating the game, which if she's on the jungle planet just makes no sense.
*rubs eyes* Wait, what? Are you saying you randomly received that message from Ashley at your terminal AFTER you beat the game? God damn, that might just be the second most DIRECT clue towards IT after the breath scene. I had no idea that existed.
The only dream about ME I had lately was about Shep and Kai Leng running towards the beam, dying, and then magically being reset and starting over, and that went on for hours.
Hmm, I dreamt I was Shepard, sitting badly wounded in a hospital bed, my head resting in a feminine lap, someone reciting Tennyson poetry.
Goddamn I feel lonely...
*foreversnip'd*
That reminds me, has BioWare ever actually said at what point you're supposed to receive the 'Hey, Skipper. They might actually let me see you today. Hang in there.' message from Ash on the Datapad?
Because it really makes no sense at any point throughout the game.
Cant be from the beginning, cause Ash never once tried to see you while you were in custody, and it cant be when Ash was in the hospital, because no one ever stopped you from going to see her, plus her telling you to hang in there would make no sense.
Also theres a Kaidan one:
'Hey, Commander. Thought I might come down to see you today--if they let me. Here's hoping.'
I've only ever received the Ashley one once, and that was after beating the game, which if she's on the jungle planet just makes no sense.
*rubs eyes* Wait, what? Are you saying you randomly received that message from Ashley at your terminal AFTER you beat the game? God damn, that might just be the second most DIRECT clue towards IT after the breath scene. I had no idea that existed.
I've known about that for a long time. You mean you didn't?
I've known about that for a long time. You mean you didn't?
No, if you recall, I didnt show up in this thread until well into the 1000s. I must have missed that, and no one has mentioned it since then. Why is it never cited as evidence???
I've known about that for a long time. You mean you didn't?
No, if you recall, I didnt show up in this thread until well into the 1000s. I must have missed that, and no one has mentioned it since then. Why is it never cited as evidence???
Yeah, it was one of those things mentioned way in the early days, and then forgotten about.
As for why it isnt cited as evidence, I think people just randomly decided it was a glitch and was meant to be sent at the beginning of a playthrough, despite the fact that the message makes zero sense at the beginning.
Way too low. Never underestimate the number of fangirls. Hell, there is a tumblr blog entirely dedicated to his butt.[/quote] Personal experience? [/quote]
with his butt? Sadly, no. But yeah I'm a fangirl.
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*looks down at his own skinny white ass* I'm jealous...>.>
[quote]Earthborn_Shepard wrote... *snip*
wait.. what? You played it more than 30 times? WHAT ARE YOU??
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I have played ME1 three times, all as Shepaloo, grew to like Kaidan in each, he seemed like a stand up sort of guy. First time I was actually completely shocked. I thought I had done something wrong. Choosing Ash over him was hard. But, he said for me to go get her, so I respected his wishes.
[quote]Earthborn_Shepard wrote...
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Listening to all the whispers of the dead made me kinda sad right now
I also discovered that listening to a disembodied laughing child is not good for my nerves
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*Hands you a teddy bear*
It's not safe to go outside!
Here. Take this!
*Zelda "Itemget" tune*
[quote]Rifneno wrote...
Hell I didn't even know they announced 3. Hopefully they do a lot better than they did with 2. Not just with giving players choices and then blatantly ignoring the answers, devising plots that revolve around every character being utterly retarded, ect. but they need to start following up on some of the mysteries. We all thought Witch Hunt and its false advertising was building up for DA2, but it went nowhere. None of the interesting enigmas were followed up on. Contrary to popular belief, there is an expiration date on the average fan's interest in a mystery angle. Remember ten years ago when Elder Scrolls fans were enthralled by the dwemer's disappearance? Now there's generally two types: those that are new to the series, having just started with Skyrim, and those that just don't give a flying **** about the dwemer anymore.[/quote]
They haven't revealed TOO much for DA3. The thing I mentioned was from a blog post they made, you can check it out yourself, it's got some awesome pictures, and apparently there's a male Grey Warden companion, and a female Seeker. Other things they have revealed is that DA3 will have multiplayer, a sort of arena affair where the player controls a dragon, fighting other dragons (personally leading me to beleive the story will be something to the effect of someone having what Flemeth does, which would be kinda awesome, getting to turn into a Dragon. It IS the "Dragon" age after all. Also, this time they promised, no more recycled environments, and you are playing a different character than Hawke, apparently they plan on having each game focus on a different character each time, with eqch subsequent sequel introducing a new main character, with the periphreal characters and the setting being the only things maintained in each, which actually sounds rather interesting tbh. Do agree completely about the Dwemer though.
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[quote]Like this
*Chobot-snip*[/quote]
Huh. I suppose there is an argument to be made for trying the Allers romance once.[/quote]
Well... people DO say she sucks... [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/wink.png[/smilie]
Personally, I think Allers gets a bad rap, yeah she's not a sterling character, but all these ****s going "ugh, her face is slightly swelled, she's so ugly, I won't have that on my ship"
Oh, so you mean a woman is only worth having around if her face is pretty, even though you spend all your time staring at her chest and ass? They ****** me off a great deal. Yeah she could be better, and definetly SHOULD get some kind of fix in a future patch or something, but she is not at all deserving of the vitriol leveled at her.
[quote]Simon_Says wrote...
[quote]Rksmithers wrote...
[quote]Unschuld wrote...
Shep is hallucinating happy time with Tali. Totally a check in the box for Indoc theory.[/quote] okOkay, imI'm all for the Indocrination Theory, but THAT is definitely grasping at straws...........That iI would blame oncontinginsycontinuity errors..........[/quote]
Y'know in hindsight, looking at the drunken Tali scene again, why is it so many of the women on the crew are daddie's girls with serious parental issues?
[quote]byne wrote... *snip*
Seriously, other than Tali, Zaal'Koris is like the only Admiral who actually cares about the quarian people and not about getting revenge on the geth. [/quote]
I disagree, Han Gerrel is the only one focused on revenge. Admiral Raan just beleives this is the best route for their people, and that other crazy admiral voiced by Claudia Black is just obsessed with controlling them. I think it's a fetish or something.
[quote]gunslinger_ruiz wrote...
Things Shepard would have to survive in order to have crash landed on Earth after the good red ending:
1. Fatal injuries already sustained. 2. The explosion of the red tube, may not be enough to kill Shepard but it's big enough to further his/her injuries. 3. The red wave being sent out a few feet from Shepard. While it's not a destructive wave like the bad red ending it still has enough force to move things like wreckage and Reapers in space, ground zero for that much of a force would definitely hurt Shepard. 4. The massive explosion that takes place after the Citadel fires out the red beam to the nearest Relay. It envelops most of the presidium ring, there would be nothing left of Shepard. 5. If Shepard was somehow blown clear of explosion 4, then he/she would have to survive re-entry into Earth's atmosphere without burning up. As the armor is in shambles and kinetic barriers are obviously down there would be nothing left of Shepard. 6. If there is something left of Shepard, it would have to survive impact with the ground after falling from space. If there was something left of Shepard it would be in broken pieces unable to take a breath.[/quote]
1. Near fatal injuries, we'll be generous. 2. Considering the pressure wave of a handgrenade sized explosion alone is enough to kill a person without Kinetic barriers... yeah... 3. You're forgetting one important thing about this one. THE FACT THAT YOU WERE EXPLICITLY TOLD IT WOULD DESTROY THE NECESSARY IMPLANTS THAT ARE KEEPING YOU ALIVE. 4. Once again, I cite my own argument here, if there is air where the Guardian is, then the pressure wave alone should burst every fluid filled part of his body, from his lungs to his heart, to peices. If there is no air for a shockwave, then how the hell is he breathing at all? 5. I'll maybe give them that a piece of the Citadel falling with Shepard INSIDE it could MAYBE keep his body from burning up upon re-entry, but question one, how would he stay attackd, and two, how would he avoid being smashed like a bug? Last time his armor was in pristine condition, and the only thing that survived in a recoverable manner was HIS BRAIN. 6. Not to mention his lungs would be popped like balloons and his ribcage would be crushed into powder, rendering him completely incapable of even lifting his chest.
Also, on an aside note, as the endings have shown, the Mass Effect team is a big fan of oldschool games like Deus Ex, does anyone know how they feel about Ultima? 'Coz the Guardian was an evil little baldfaced liar in that one too.
[quote]TSA_383 wrote... *snip* You anger a few hundred thousand gamers and it's going to turn out that at least a few thousand are, well, wankers, to put it charitably. [/quote]
*coughDA2cough*
Also, I might add, even though I am an American, I know what a Wanker is, and I disagree. Wanker is being too charitable. Try "a goddamn bunch of entitled buggers" instead.
[quote]HellishFiend wrote...
[quote]TSA_383 wrote...
Also, did anyone catch this tweet between Mike Gamble and ME3's lead level designer?
Yeah, it was posted earlier. I dont think we can read into it, though. FEATURE X is ostensibly just lingo that gets used when prying eyes and ears are around. It may not even stand for a feature. It could just be content or something else. The only thing that makes it noteworthy is that he implies that whatever it is was already completed before the game came out, but that doesnt really give us a solid foundation to form a speculation.
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Or feature X could be an indoctrination mechanic.
Or I could be talking out of my ass, who knows?
*phhhhhrt!*
Yeah, definetly talking out of my ass.
[quote]Auralius Carolus wrote... *snip* [/quote]
It appears that we're looking at a breast plate and abdominal segments of armor. If the dogtag was enlarged for the sake of presenting the N7 logo more clearly, all measurements would be skewed.[/quote]
Possible, What we REALLY need to know his how big Shepard's pecs are. Work in Femshep's cup size too. Um, for science. Purely scientifict interest here. Yeah.
[quote]Simon_Says wrote...
[quote]paxxton wrote...
Have you all seen this documentary on the Indoctrination Theory yet?
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We have. It's a good summary of the findings but it's still incomplete.
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Yes I have, and I have a number of complaints with it >.>
[quote]lex0r11 wrote...
[quote]MegumiAzusa wrote...
[...]
Overlord is great, especially the scene you get in ME3 for it. I was crying at the first time And after playing you know that the squarroot of 906.01 is 30.1[/quote]
I loved Overlord, I actually god chills seeing David. I felt like a monster taking him away from his brother, but I knew that leaving him with Gavin would lead to no good, even considering Dr.Archer's promises. It was good seeing him at Grissom again. Archer nearly made me ashamed of my own name.
Also, has anyone noticed that in every role he voices for Bioware, Simon Templeman always plays a radical of some kind?
[quote]llbountyhunter wrote...
[quote]Earthborn_Shepard wrote...
And off I go to the cinema, to watch The Avengers and socialize with actual people! Have fun[/quote]
Don't worry man, we'll form our OWN social circle... with blackjack and hookers!
Though in all seriousness, don't play me in Blackjack. I count cards.
[quote]Uncle Jo wrote...
[quote]MegumiAzusa wrote...
Overlord is great, especially the scene you get in ME3 for it. I was crying at the first time And after playing you know that the squarroot of 906.01 is 30.1
[/quote]I'll take your word for it [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/lol.png[/smilie] ! I was planning to get both of them (Arrival and Overlord) and make a complete playthrough from the first game to the last one (including the DLC EC) at one go. It will be an awesome week [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/w00t.png[/smilie] [/quote]
DO IT. Not only will IDT become all the more obvious, (lending yet more credence to the theory that the n00bs get the artsy space magic explosions, and IDT is for loyal fans) But Overlord has an excellent and chilling story, Lair of the Shadowbroker is a long love letter to ME1, as well as a riveting action movie, and Arrival is just an awesome mission.
[quote]Uncle Jo wrote...
*snip*
@Salient Archer
Kudos to you good Sir. I've always almost instinctively distrusted the brat. Since you pointed out the definition of the catalyst (accelerate a reaction without being itself changed), I have now a scientifcal reason to hate him (and his pile of crap) from the bottom of my heart. Your explanation of the relation between EMS and choices was also very well made. Always a pleasure to read you.
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Wait a minute. The Task Manager IS a Catalyst. Considering he's Harbinger. Harbinger shall remain unchanged by Shepard's choice, and yet he accelerates an action. Shepard's indoctrination.
Ergo, star child is A Catalyst, but not THE Catalyst.
[quote]BleedingUranium wrote...
Off topic, but do any of you ever go over to the ME wiki? Advice: don't. There's this one admin, Lancer, who I think, has spent about a decade doing nothing but being there, and is the thickest person you'll ever meet.
Seriously, this guy could easily be a few of the more annoying trolls we have around here. This guy's like this everywhere on the wiki, and he is everywhere on the wiki. I'm a regular on Halopedian and IMFDB, but I stay away from ME wiki unless I have to now, just because of him.
I'm sorry, I just reeeeaaallllllly had to vent! [/quote]
Doooooouche.
*offers comforting hug*
[quote]HellishFiend wrote...
[quote]MegumiAzusa wrote...
[quote]TSA_383 wrote...
Where'd you get that armour set?[/quote] Savegame editor.[/quote]
That armor set needs a buff. It has no stats. Fail.
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It needs no buff. It leaves Shepard in one.
The buff.
Meh, they can't all be gems.
[quote]lex0r11 wrote...
You guys remember all this...
am I even allowed to be here having played ME3 in it's entirety only once? Only reloaded the ending autosave twice to test something.
[quote]JTP117 wrote... *snip* [/quote] "Heart of Courage" by Two Steps From Hell
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Two Steps From Hell **** YES!
[quote]Salient Archer wrote...
Updated my EMS system again, added more theories on Synthesis:
*snip*
2800 - 3999 Shepard by this stage has proven how valuable he really is as an asset to the Reapers, not only this but by this stage the Reapers realize how powerful Shepard’s will is becoming and hence they fear he might break free of the indoctrination process.
Fearful of loosing their best potential asset, the Reapers pull out their big guns and present another tempting choice: The synthesis of Organics and Synthetics. This choice is not only the moral high-ground but also seems incredibly amazing due to implications it has of galactic peace for both Synthetics and Organics for all eternity and essentialy ends the cycle and removes the need of the Reapers. It represents the hope of a permanent end to the cycle of destruction and the dawn of the next evolutionary step for galactic life. To bad it’s a big fat lie.
Pause and think about what Synthesis and final evolution is to the Reapers; well to be honest it's more Reapers. Think about Sovereign’s conversation with Shepard or any of the taunts Harbinger gives you in ME2, both reapers state that "they are our destiny, they are the final evolution". Also take note that during the suicide mission EDI points out that the human reaper was both made from organic and non-organic materials, which would be the very definition of Synthesis from a Reaper's perspective.
This added choice is also the Reapers attempt to get Shepard to see things their way, just as they did with Jack Harper and Saren. Indoctrination isn't about being told what to do or being controlled, it's more subtle than that, it's design is more like inception in that it makes the individual full heartedly believe that the Reapers are to be revered, and that the individual came to this conclusion themselves, this creates the distinction of the control they have of the husks and the conviction of their indoctrinated mouth pieces such as Saren. Indoctrination is to truly believe that whatever thought they've planted in your head is your own.
What about Synthesis being the last additional choice as far as being a game mechanic?, aren’t ‘we’ as players expected to be rewarded for more work and accomplishments? Well, yes we are!, We’ve been conditioned time and time again for this to be the case! So wouldn’t it stand to reason that if BioWare wanted to indoctrinate “us the player” that they would use a game mechanic and typical reward system as their last best chance to throw us off the right path?
Notes: When picking this option Shepard seems to morph into an almost husk like appearance complete with glowing blue eyes which also share the same iris pattern as the Illusive man.
*snip*[/quote]
Hence why I continue to say that Bioware is claiming that Synthesis (which is achiveable with no multiplayer) is the best ending because they are playing the Reapers to our Shepard.
As for indoctrination, I say this again.
Indoctrination isn't damning because it makes you do things you don't want to do. It's damning because it makes you want to do them.
[quote]SS2Dante wrote...
Megumi, oops, think you may be right about the cubemap (although yeah the bit behind you obviously hadn't been put together yet.
One odd thing that struck me though. I was looking at the rightmost map, something I don't usually do because of it's pixelation. But ah...the light sources on the ground.
*snip*
They're odd. Is it...is it just me or do they remind you...remind you of...
*Collector-snip*
?
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Reminds me of an interesting theory I had.
Do you think the Protheans had seperate "Castes"?
Think about it, the codex mentions that most insectoid species had seperate, usually biotically active "castes" so Javik, being a biotic, as well as walking upright, is a member of the Warrior Caste, and is focused and geared toward war and physical exertion.
Whereas the Collector General is an example of the ruler caste, or perhaps the scientist caste, focused more toward fine manipulation and brain mass rather than physical strength.
Just food for thought.
[quote]Simon_Says wrote...
[quote]SubAstris wrote...
An interesting point. Something controlling the Reapers is clearly foreshadowed in the Prothean VI on Thessia, it is along the lines of "it seems that Reapers are the servants of the cycles, not their masters" and saying "there might be something behind them". With such strong foreshadowing in the main plot, to any ITers, do you think that the EC will feature a figure like the Catalyst who controls the Reapers, but in reality?[/quote]
First off I don't think it was implied that this controlling force was intelligent, but I may need to check again. Life on earth is guided by the demands of survival and instinct. Locusts swarm periodically, cause devestation, and then disappear for a time, but there's no intelligent force behind that.
Second, a controlling intelligence would likely be suitable if it didn't diminish the reapers' menace and sense of being truly 'alien'. Consider the Architect from either Matrix 2 or even DAO: Awakening. Both of those characters managed to be 'masterminds' behind their respective factions and yet both were executed in a way that was consistent with what we knew and felt of those factions. However, the execution of Starbrat left much to be desired. Hence all the derisive jokes about the reapers being the Starbrat's toy ships.
I put forth my own suggestion for a more appropriate controlling intelligence of the reapers. It suggests something that's big, menacing, and beyond our comprehension on anything more than an academic level. It's something like the Party from Nineteen-Eighty-Four. It's the regime itself that's the dominating force, not any set of individuals within or without it. [/quote]
Actually, it's kind of interesting, in a way the whole thing is kind of like the Ontological proof of God, which states that "God is that of which no greater can be thought" basically meaning that there is some force that is the greatest thing in the universe, doesn't imply it to be good, intelligent, or even existant anymore, just that there was some cause to all other causes, which logically proves there is some force that one could name "God".
Applying that here, we know that there is some force which motivates the Reapers, it could be intelligent, according to one interpretation, or it could merely be biological imperative. Or my own theory, it's Harbinger, seeking to bring all together in his sick philanthrophism and distorted veiw of "perfection".
Also, with the mention of "The Architect" I've just realized. Someone at Bioware REALLY likes the Matrix. Also, on that side note, I just realized, the Architect explicitly states to The Mother that he is not "The Father". Making me wonder, who is? Maybe The Father was the first magister to step into the Maker's Golden Hall? [/tangent]
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No one cares anymore that Sheps leg is pierced? ^^[/quote]
Wasn't Shep's leg pierced by a pole in the leaked script (or a variation thereof)?
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No... instead on Thessia, Kai Leng RAMS A MOTHER****ING LENGTH OF REBAR THROUGH HIS CHEST. I wish they had kept that in, would have helped improve Leng to do the one thing he's supposed to. Scare the living ****** outta ya. Also would have loved to have had a Liara/VS standoff like they originally planned.
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Listening to all the whispers of the dead made me kinda sad right now
I also discovered that listening to a disembodied laughing child is not good for my nerves
That Legion voice: "Shepard Commander, help us" and "Does this unit have a soul?"
Damn that hurts.
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Benezia was surprising, Zaeed especially gave me chills, I've never heard him so... broken.
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Did anyone check if there are encrypted files on the game's DVDs?[/quote]
I asked this ages ago, when it was suggested that content would be on the PS3/360 title somewhere where the PC version which requires an "always-on" internet connection and allows for free title updates whereas the PSN and Xbox Live would charge EA/Bioware for title updates.
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Actually, I debunked this myself a LOOOONG-ass time ago.
On the PC DISCS, not the files save to the computer but the DISCS THEMSELVES, there is roughly 16.8 GB of files, PS3 has 15 GB, xbox has 16. There are no encrypted files, if there were, we would have found them by now.
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Did anyone check if there are encrypted files on the game's DVDs? Maybe the ending is already there.[/quote] If there was someone would surely have found it by now. Already some dummied-out material was revealed.
So no, it's probably not on the disc. [/quote]
Hmmm. VERY interesting... more fodder for Indoctrination theory!
Anderson DOES have a family for one, and for two, "Do you ever wonder what our lives would have been like if this never happened?" Why would he say that?
I would say a good chunk of the cut dialogue was cut simply because the team felt it made indoctrination TOO obvious.
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If all of this is happening inside Shepard's head where is the start of the hallucination because that child is in through out the game which must mean that London is the start of the game and not the end. Which would then lead to the question how did Shepard get to that point???? Also then what is the point of the Old man telling Shepards story.[/quote]
Shepard has been exposed to Reaper tech throughout the series, but Bioware most likely intended it during the ME2 Arrival DLC. The full on indoctrination "attempt" occurs after Shep is hit by Harbinger's beam in London.
The old man sequence could be "real", and with the "one more story" bit could hint at indoctrination. But nobody knows.
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The old man bit I thought was an effort to hint at future content about "The Shepard" as well as indictating a somewhat happy ending, against all odds life has found a way to survive to the point where Shepard is nothing more than a legend.[/quote]
To me, and I hate to admit this, the Stargazer/Old man scene is the biggest anti-IT clue. And I say this as a big IT supporter.
It is apparent that Stargazer and the little kid are on the same planet that the Normandy crashed on (due the the identical moon lay-out in the sky). Then Stargazer talks about how he thinks that there are many other planets with people/aliens on them, and that, someday, maybe "we" will be able to reach the stars (or something to that effect).
This dialog tells me that Stargazer and the kid are the distant offspring of Joker, Liara, Garrus, etc., etc. and that they have been stuck on Space Magic Tropical Planet for many generations, presumably because the Mass Relays were destroyed.
Obviously, this scene is VERY open to interpretation, but if the Mass Relays really are destroyed, then I'm not sure how that fits into IT???
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Things to point out, the planet they are on is actually just a shoop. Type "Winter in Space" into Google and you'll see what I mean.
As for the old man, there are two interpretations, since he takes place post credits, he is considered to not be part of the narrative, and is more an avatar of Bioware saying "Hey! Get back in your seat ****, movie ain't over yet.", and the other basically states him to be a character in the far off future, perhaps some other race that has yet to join council space, but found one of Liara's boxes. Either that or it's yet more Reaper lies, giving a sense of false hope and comfort to the dying Shepard. Morever, there is NO way that 3 human beings could maintain a sustainable population for one, and for two, you can't say Synthesis made them compatible, because it appears after all three endings. And if it was Liara whom was the mother of this next generation, then tell me THIS, how is it there is an old MAN, and a young BOY?
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wow. 2141 pages of this. you know they did state that the endings will remain unchanged, but does that mean they could add more after the breath in the red ending or more after leading up to joker hightailing it out of there? Or you think they will just add more in the beginning and middle?[/quote]
There will be DLC during the middle of the game to come(Retake Omega for example) however the EC is to specifically address the ending:
"The extended cut DLC will expand on the existing endings, but no further ending DLC is planned" That's why people are assume IT or something similar as it allows the existing endings to remain as they are but doesn't change the endings.
They categorically state that be no further ending DLC is planned meaning EC is most definitly ending related. If nothing else they need to explain 1: What happens to the relays and surrounding systems, 2 Why Joker and your LI abandon you
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"The extended cut DLC will expand on the existing endings, but no furtherending DLC is planned"
Could this not also read as the EC "Will Expand" the endings (more playtime, etc) but no "Further" ending DLC is planned, because the EC will either be so substantial it won't be needed or it'll be the last DLC to take place expanding after the ending. .. Just food for thought.
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That's the way I see it, the EC is the only DLC that will occur after the conclusion of ME3 anything else will probably fit in anywhere. I don't think that there will be anymore Epilogue(like Arrival)content and TBH it may be the next game in the ME franchise will be a launch title for PS4/Xbox720
I suspect there will be more DLC to come(3-5 SP 1-2 MP) in total
Retake Omega (I'm always assumed this was a guarentee but I'm not so sure as the current comics seem to show what Aria was upto during the events of ME3
1-2 Appearence packs(easy money)
New MP Maps - If Retake Omega shows up in SP I suspect it'll show on MP too
A new mission with Grunt and his squad
A new mission surrounding Shepards trial (not sure how this would work gameplay wise but would certainly be interesting)
A new mission with Ashley/Kaiden as the new spectre
A new mission with your LI(as suggested by [url=http://social.bioware.com/3567659/]NoSpin
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If this here is a wishlist, I'll add in a Normandy Refit DLC, which finishes the refit of the Normandy, finally putting away all those cables lying all over the place, opening up the old armory and putting something in there, like maybe a new tech lab or something, adds perhaps a new squadmate, connected with the refit (gotta have someone to occupy that there tech lab) perhaps an Alliance Officer of some kind, as well as adding a few new people to the ship, such as giving you the option to invite Ayethta on board to tend bar, things of that nature.
Or if it's DLC we EXPECT to see, then;
The EC, adding more hints and scenes to make indoctrination clearer
The Seige of Earth DLC, which finally wraps up Shepard's story, revealing indoctrination at last, putting us on the frontlines as we fight along Bailey and other significant people from the Citadel to take back the station and allow the Crucible device to dock, and allowing us to take command for the final push, now that they have worked out cutscenes for an indoctrinated Shepard, or a mechanic to allow the player to lose control of the Commander.
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@Gunslinger_Ruiz: Amazing work yet again, I happend to be playing the choices scene and showed the images of the rubble to my wife (who hasn't actually played the game and isn't really all that interested) and even she immediately pointed out that the rubble is from london and not the citadel.[/quote]
It is astounding to me, how anyone could seriously think that this is Citadel rubble.
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i wholeheartedly agree with you, i cant see how people can think its citadel debris...
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The same way people are actually arguing Shepard could survive a supernova strength explosion...
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Slight addendum. If you are referring to the fact that the Citadel was blown apart by the explosion, I must point out, the Mu Relay never acutally survived a supernova, merely the "shockwave" from it, which sent it away from it's location.
Though unless Weekes was on the level about the other relays "overloading" then the CItadel would explode with force sufficent to level the entire Sol system, so yeah here's that too.
Also, it occured to me, the entire purpose of Arrival was to set up for ME3, meaning it is the canon for what happened. Yet there were really only two significant events IN Arrival. Object Rho... setting up the indoctrination subplot, and BLOWING UP A RELAY. Meaning that the whole point of Arrival was to get us to question A). Why wasn't the Sol system reduced to cosmic dust when the Citadel blew up, and . Why wasn't the whole galaxy wiped out when the Relays went neuclear?
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Starchild: We harvest advanced species, leaving the younger ones alone (we only convert them into harvesters, nothing serious).
Each time I see a harvester I'm reminded of starchild's shameless lie.[/quote]
Pretty much - but I do believe that is merely an oversight on the writers part....
...well, yet another oversight.[/quote] There is a distinction between harvesting thus eradicate an entire species and transforming a few of lesser species into servants. Also Harvesters are unknown to the current cycle as stated in some lines, maybe they were about equal to the Rachni, looking primitive but still space-traveling etc.[/quote]
We've encountered harvesters, I argue that they're animals, intelligent and clever ones, but only animals nonetheless. Much like a raven will drop a nut it can't open onto a highway, wait for it to get crushed and then come down to collect the nut meat, Harvesters gather smaller species to use as troops to bring down big game. You encounter one during Grunt's coming of age. It is explictly stated that Harvesters like those from Tchanka and the ones we encounter are one and the same.
But yes, I agree that they likely harvest animals at the same time they harvest advanced species. After all in Earth's case, they come, bombard the planet, endanger the ecosystem, leave alot of dead animals lying around, seems a shame to let all that useful biomass rot and go to waste eh? So they huskify them and melt them down for troop transports and slaughter ships.
Also, Salient, your bigass post a while back made me realize something.
Only Renegade characters have ever been indoctrinated. Saren was easily the "results are what matter" sort, same with TIM, yet Anderson is still standing hard, not to mention the fact that with Shepard, most of the Renegade choices relating to the game itself only net you BAD stuff in the EMS department, fake the cure, Wrex finds out and the Krogan pull out, save the Collector Base, your only option at low EMS is Control, ect.
Just food for thought.
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There is one thing that really bothers me. On Rannoch Legion uses the Reaper upgrades to achieve real self awareness for the Geth, fine, but two points with that are strange: It is a huge point in ME2 that the True Geth don't want that. Legion stated more then once that relying on Reaper technology only blinds them to other possibilities. Additionally when you tell Legion not to upload it goes into rage mode and grips Shep while starting the upload. So what tells us that? Are all remaining Geth in fact heretics?[/quote]
As Raist said, it's partially self preservation/desperation, as well as amazement at their intellect gain, which they enjoyed greatly and wish to preserve.
That and the Geth wanted at first to become a giant supercomputer. The Reapers offered them a reaper body as a method of doing so, the Geth Consensus refused, finding the idea abhorrent, as it would require them to sacrifice their freedom and independence.
Legion just used the Reaper Code as a jumping off point for him to re-write the code to suit the purposes of the Geth, the code Legion used was entirely his own, and only based off of the code the Reapers gave them.
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Btw, I wouldn't blame anyone for not reading my "wall of text" above.[/quote]
I would. it's well spoken, well written, and well formatted so it's no trouble to read.
But then, well I'm the king of the wall of text around here, so what do I know? I look at my annotated copty of the Lord of the Rings and call that light reading.
I've known about that for a long time. You mean you didn't?
No, if you recall, I didnt show up in this thread until well into the 1000s. I must have missed that, and no one has mentioned it since then. Why is it never cited as evidence???
Yeah, it was one of those things mentioned way in the early days, and then forgotten about.
As for why it isnt cited as evidence, I think people just randomly decided it was a glitch and was meant to be sent at the beginning of a playthrough, despite the fact that the message makes zero sense at the beginning.
Like hell. I'm saying with certainty that it is by far the second most DIRECT clue towards IT after the breath scene. I mean come on. You beat the game, run around with your Shepard after having beaten it, and you get a message from the VS saying theyre going to come see you as if you're injured? HELLO!
I've known about that for a long time. You mean you didn't?
No, if you recall, I didnt show up in this thread until well into the 1000s. I must have missed that, and no one has mentioned it since then. Why is it never cited as evidence???
Yeah, it was one of those things mentioned way in the early days, and then forgotten about.
As for why it isnt cited as evidence, I think people just randomly decided it was a glitch and was meant to be sent at the beginning of a playthrough, despite the fact that the message makes zero sense at the beginning.
Like hell. I'm saying with certainty that it is by far the second most DIRECT clue towards IT after the breath scene. I mean come on. You beat the game, run around with your Shepard after having beaten it, and you get a message from the VS saying theyre going to come see you as if you're injured? HELLO!
I think another reason people ignore it is because its a message you get on the iphone/ipad datapad app, and a lot of people dont have that app.
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. Why wasn't the whole galaxy wiped out when the Relays went neuclear? 
