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[Purplesun]

 
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Ughhhh.  This comment is teasing me.  They are playing with our brains!

[Humakt83]

Is it just me or is something odd with Joker's eyes at ending scene?

[novaseeker]

UKHaz wrote...

 Thank you OP for and everyone else for this topic! Definately think we've cracked it with the indoctrination theory.

Just to add a little something, in the final dream sequence, you eventually see Shepard with the Kid go up in flames. Could this be a hint from BW that if you side with / agree with the child/catalyst Shepard joins the child, i.e. dies and fails; thus the reapers have successfully indocrinated him.

Exactly.  It is a foreshadowing, in part, but also a warning.

[Miss Vader]

more proof of destroy being good ending-- when you shoot at it, the boy disappears the same time it explodes, but when you choose control and grasp the rods (?) you see the boy just staring and watching-- almost smirking? in vid:

[BlackDragonBane]

Malanek999 wrote...

Miss Vader wrote...

Im just curious about if there is some sort of Reaper tech on board Normandy that is indoctrinating Shep-- shouldn't the other characters become indoctrinated as well/

You can explain this easily by Sheps implants.

We don't know that the implants in Shepard are Reaper tech though. They could simply be prosthetics for the parts they couldn't rebuild or regrow. After all, the Illusive Man (while still sane) had explicit conditions to Miranda that nothing about Shepard be different. Reaper tech might (would actually as in ME3) would have started changing Shepard, something he didn't want at the time.

Plus, if you take in the conversation with Saren at the end of ME1, his Reaper implants actually removed his will to resist, unless Shepard convinces him otherwise.

Modifié par BlackDragonBane, 13 mars 2012 - 12:06 .

[Stalker]

raeting wrote...

Hehe, everyone is right! The ending is open to interpretation.

Really...?
The closure of a trilogy that is based on decisions, using it as the biggest argument even, claims that the ending which is the same for everyone... is "open to interpretation"?

To me, this sounds like it's up to us now what to believe and what not. "We won't tell you. It's up to you hurr durr" is probably the easiest way out, huh? 
You lost me BioWare. Really.

Modifié par Mr Massakka, 13 mars 2012 - 12:09 .

[njfluffy19]

The Irish Man wrote...

 Whatever the ending was, a halluncination or not, Bioware was indoctronated by the reapers. It all doesn't make any sense. Why is the cataylst a holo/ghost? Why does the end seem like a dream? If anyone noticed when shepard talks to the ghost kid his/her voice echos unaturally as if it was all a dream.

Read the past 200 pages, dude.

[Yoss0]

I had a thought that poses some interesting questions... What were the human prisoners and corpses being used for at the citadel?

You heard Anderson say that the Reapers were transporting both living and dead humans up to the Citadel ala Collector style. Where are the millions of bodies? Where is the Reaper they *might* be building? Where are the guards to process the living prisoners?

Might be grasping at straws, but it seemed like an interesting thought.

[WE_Belisarius]

Did you noticed, that on the Citadel, the Options for the blue and green ending are surrounded by a bright light?
Maybe it is a metaphor for "the light at the end of the tunnel" and the red ending, gives us the only scene where there is a hint for Shepard´s survival.

[blooregard]

Malanek999 wrote...

Miss Vader wrote...

Im just curious about if there is some sort of Reaper tech on board Normandy that is indoctrinating Shep-- shouldn't the other characters become indoctrinated as well/

You can explain this easily by Sheps implants.

the reaper IFF may still be on the normandy I never liked the thought of reaper tech on my ship (with the exception of EDI) maybe the IFF is releasing some faint indoctronation signal and james is the only one who's picking it up? 

[ReclaimedHavoc]

njfluffy19 wrote...

The Irish Man wrote...

 Whatever the ending was, a halluncination or not, Bioware was indoctronated by the reapers. It all doesn't make any sense. Why is the cataylst a holo/ghost? Why does the end seem like a dream? If anyone noticed when shepard talks to the ghost kid his/her voice echos unaturally as if it was all a dream.

Read the past 200 pages, dude.

Nobody could read fast enough to catch the pace of the thread, we gotta all jump in sometime.

[CronoDragoon]

PrivateFrost wrote...

Miss Vader wrote...

Im just curious about if there is some sort of Reaper tech on board Normandy that is indoctrinating Shep-- shouldn't the other characters become indoctrinated as well/

Vega says he's hearing some strange sounds on the Normandy, but he's not indoctrinated. Maybe it's something in the ship that Shep uses more than the rest of the crew (?) 

Although it's possible they just wanted a little more backstory thrown in and the IM's base was the perfect place to do it, if this theory is true than all those logs about the Illusive Man's reconstruction of Shepard takes on a whole new meaning. I forget based on the books, but did the IM only get reaper tech after the Collector's Base was destroyed? Or before that?

[novaseeker]

Malanek999 wrote...

Miss Vader wrote...

Im just curious about if there is some sort of Reaper tech on board Normandy that is indoctrinating Shep-- shouldn't the other characters become indoctrinated as well/

You can explain this easily by Sheps implants.

Also Arrival, which Shepard does "solo", and which leaves him flat on his back, out cold, for a couple of days a few rooms away from an indoctrinating reaper artifact.

[mr.surv]

Humakt83 wrote...

Is it just me or is something odd with Joker's eyes at ending scene?

I also noticed that something is not right....

[ReclaimedHavoc]

PDesign wrote...

The ending is hallucination, no doubt. But why Bioware cut off final part of the game? For DLC? Come on....

Some people say it was for spoiler purposes, so everyone would get the ending at the same time, but that is just...crazy, to say the least.

[Malanek]

BlackDragonBane wrote...

Malanek999 wrote...

Miss Vader wrote...

Im just curious about if there is some sort of Reaper tech on board Normandy that is indoctrinating Shep-- shouldn't the other characters become indoctrinated as well/

You can explain this easily by Sheps implants.

We don't know that the implants in Shepard are Reaper tech though. They could simply be prosthetics for the parts they couldn't rebuild or regrow. After all, the Illusive Man (while still sane) had explicit conditions to Miranda that nothing about Shepard. Reaper tech might (would actually as in ME3) would have started changing Shepard, something he didn't want at the time.

No, we don't know but it is possible and answers an otherwise tricky question. If Shepard was indoctrinated what was the most likely way of it happening? Indoctrination happens in different ways, I don't believe this is an argument that invalidates the theory.

[krystalevenstar]

Reiterating my request if anyone knows anything about audio editing, could you try to see about muting the child's voice and amplifying jennifer hale/mark meer's? Fiddling blindly with audacity is yielding awful results XD

[Bigdoser]

Miss Vader wrote...

more proof of destroy being good ending-- when you shoot at it, the boy disappears the same time it explodes, but when you choose control and grasp the rods (?) you see the boy just staring and watching-- almost smirking? in vid:

Yeah when watching the control ending it seems like the child is smirking or smiling. 

[njfluffy19]

ReclaimedHavoc wrote...


Nobody could read fast enough to catch the pace of the thread, we gotta all jump in sometime.

Okay, read the OP then.

[Dessalines]

DarkFire77777 wrote...

Guys, I'm on my second playthrough, and I noticed an email that comes through named "ANN Alert: New Article on "Indoctrination"" Among other things, one paragraph talks about the indoctrinated Asari and says the following:

Prior to her death, investigators said Thanoptis spoke of voices in her head, which they believed to be indicative of her indoctrination. The voices foretold the ascension of the asari -- and told Thanoptis that anyone fighting the Reapers "needed to die".

Now, I could be wrong, but didn't the god-child say that in the synthesis ending that all organics would "ascend" to the height of evolution??

Just a thought. ; )

Hey, was a patch due out today . I just turn on my ps3 and got a new patch.

[novaseeker]

DarkFire77777 wrote...

Guys, I'm on my second playthrough, and I noticed an email that comes through named "ANN Alert: New Article on "Indoctrination"" Among other things, one paragraph talks about the indoctrinated Asari and says the following:

Prior to her death, investigators said Thanoptis spoke of voices in her head, which they believed to be indicative of her indoctrination. The voices foretold the ascension of the asari -- and told Thanoptis that anyone fighting the Reapers "needed to die".

Now, I could be wrong, but didn't the god-child say that in the synthesis ending that all organics would "ascend" to the height of evolution??

Just a thought. ; )

I think the child talks about races which are harvested as "ascending", IIRC.  He does say that synthesis is the height of evolution, but I saw that as an echo of Saren.

[Blinks]

 I have a question that I don't think I saw addressed, but I haven't had time to read all 200 pages of this thread.

Has anyone discovered if there is some kind of formula for the squadmates Shepard sees leave the Normandy at the end? If one of them is always Shepard's LI or one of the squadmates he brought with him, I guess this could give further credence to the theory that it really is a kind of dream convincing himself that they're okay and he made the right choice. I know for myself Garrus and Javik were at the end, and Garrus was down in London with me. I assumed he'd died or something.

Or am I wildly off track? 

[SomeoneStoleMyName]

What I dont get is why people are angry. Because if we were indeed fooled, and it was all an indoctrination - then considering all the hints, I feel we got fooled in a good way.

Predictability sucks. If I genuinely got fooled (I choose synthesis) then I'm extatic about it. Just knowing that "trick" wasnt the real ending is more than good enough.

And who the F**** cares if they add the rest later?

They couldve made a boring memorable ending that was great. With ruined endings for some due to leaked endings and footage.

or...

They could pull of the most genius trick ever, not only in providing a false ending. But have this false ending being an actual part of the lore (Indoctrination) fool everyone, and make it the greates ending of all time - and sure as hell unique and memorable. And most of all unpredictable.

Ive said it before, this will either prove to be the worst or the best ending ever. And if it really is the indoctrination theory, then who the frack cares if they add it later through DLC aslong as it doesent cost money. Hell, even if it DOES cost money... it would still be worth it by far.

If it turns out the last part is indoctrination, and the ending really is still to come. Would you really want to go back and change it to "Boring predictable endfight with harbinger and dance around with your crew in celebration"?

I for once find this mindf**** extremely satisfying.