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[ReclaimedHavoc]

njfluffy19 wrote...

ReclaimedHavoc wrote...


Nobody could read fast enough to catch the pace of the thread, we gotta all jump in sometime.

Okay, read the OP then.

That we can agree on.

[Don Ravan]

We've really caught on to something here. Im all for this indoctrination theory. Keep 'em comin'.

[rogueagent6]

blooregard wrote...

Malanek999 wrote...

Miss Vader wrote...

Im just curious about if there is some sort of Reaper tech on board Normandy that is indoctrinating Shep-- shouldn't the other characters become indoctrinated as well/

You can explain this easily by Sheps implants.

the reaper IFF may still be on the normandy I never liked the thought of reaper tech on my ship (with the exception of EDI) maybe the IFF is releasing some faint indoctronation signal and james is the only one who's picking it up? 

I'm pretty sure EDI mentions that it's codes have been updated at some point.

[BlackDragonBane]

Malanek999 wrote...

BlackDragonBane wrote...

Malanek999 wrote...

Miss Vader wrote...

Im just curious about if there is some sort of Reaper tech on board Normandy that is indoctrinating Shep-- shouldn't the other characters become indoctrinated as well/

You can explain this easily by Sheps implants.

We don't know that the implants in Shepard are Reaper tech though. They could simply be prosthetics for the parts they couldn't rebuild or regrow. After all, the Illusive Man (while still sane) had explicit conditions to Miranda that nothing about Shepard. Reaper tech might (would actually as in ME3) would have started changing Shepard, something he didn't want at the time.

No, we don't know but it is possible and answers an otherwise tricky question. If Shepard was indoctrinated what was the most likely way of it happening? Indoctrination happens in different ways, I don't believe this is an argument that invalidates the theory.

I'm not trying to invalidate anything, I'm just making a suggetion that Shepard's own implants are likely not the case of the indoctrination. I'm more inclined to believe the Reaper IFF in the Normandy's system is the cause because if it were the implants, the indoctrination would be going along alot quicker than just being simply expoosed to the indoctrination signal, as evident by Saren.

[lookingglassmind]

krystalevenstar wrote...

Reiterating my request if anyone knows anything about audio editing, could you try to see about muting the child's voice and amplifying jennifer hale/mark meer's? Fiddling blindly with audacity is yielding awful results XD

Krystal,

I'm working on it in Audacity too. Might take me a bit.

[TcomJ]

I know how bad and disappointing it is, but don't run away from the fact that it is a bad writing.

It's like you read Harry Potter, 7 of them, and then JK Rolling tells you at the end of the last paragraph that this is all just a dream LOL

[PrivateFrost]

I only chose Synthesis for Joker and EDI. Even though I was playing a paragon Shep, I felt sad when I thought that if I destroyed all synthetics, Joker would be alone again. ;-;

[Turtlicious]

For the record, I'm keeping everything as updated as possible (with the MASSIVE help from byne, who owns this thread Thanks Byne )

I'm almost POSITIVE that all you need to do is read the WHOLE first page to have everything you need.

[CaptnObvious]

Hey i just saw something weird in the Conduct, the Citadel and the Catalyst chamber (or whatever).
If you look the metal supports around, theres and odd, yellow mark ( kinda ¬ M ¬, with the ¬ vertical). Are those things seen on the other levels of the citadel? Why yellow, it kinda looks Cerberus-made. Why put a brand inside a millenia old machine? It's not like the Reapers have any writings on their supports.
I just find that odd, and wondered what you guys thought about it.

[Auresta]

lookingglassmind wrote...

krystalevenstar wrote...

Reiterating my request if anyone knows anything about audio editing, could you try to see about muting the child's voice and amplifying jennifer hale/mark meer's? Fiddling blindly with audacity is yielding awful results XD

Krystal,

I'm working on it in Audacity too. Might take me a bit.

Godspeed!

[XavierHollywood]

these theories on a hallucination/indoctrination are all really really great stuff which I completely support.

It just seems to make so much sense and if it is true then I think its a genius thing really.

[Irishkev]

It did feel like a dream sequence the speed the unlimited ammo and the fact when you run down the hill none of your squad mates are with you. I just keep thinking of Fallout 3 when they changed the ending in that to include DLC.

Now the reason I think this is a ploy by bioware (either that or they still don't know how to end it ) is because in the last mission you can't save at all its just auto save which get's reset the minute you get back on your ship i.e the credits are finished.

Also the fact that the last quest/mission is still active in your log tells me they might be planning something . If you  played DAO and Died that was it you didn't get to reset the mission  unless you saved it yourself before you made a certain a desion. Now in ME3 thats disabled and once you finish the mission either as dead or alive shepeard you get sent back to the point before the fleet attacks which (to me) hints that they are planning something.

Now correct me if I am wrong but I beleive in mass effect 2 if you Died that was it you couldn't continue on playing.
You either had to import him or start a new char. So the fact that the ending of ME3 basically gets reset kinda hints to me that they plan addtional content for the ending either that or they do it so you can play it with that char once the DLC comes out for sidequest.

Modifié par Irishkev, 13 mars 2012 - 12:18 .

[Deepthroat]

mr.surv wrote...

Humakt83 wrote...

Is it just me or is something odd with Joker's eyes at ending scene?

I also noticed that something is not right....

That's probably because you chose Synthesis. He's half organic half synthetic now. At least that's how I see it. Can't be sure about anything that happened in the last 15 minutes...

Modifié par Deepthroat, 13 mars 2012 - 12:11 .

[crimsontotem]

Not to mention this theory has given many people to replay ME3 again... knowing that we will see the ending again

[timj2011]

has anybody seen the outcome of the Prejek Paddle fish import? my guide says if you import from ME2 with the fish and play through ME3 twice with fish alive, we get special intel

[Auresta]

timj2011 wrote...

has anybody seen the outcome of the Prejek Paddle fish import? my guide says if you import from ME2 with the fish and play through ME3 twice with fish alive, we get special intel

Not sure if anyone got the intel but it's from Liara and it's not supposed to be that special. It's just for war assets.

[balance5050]

SomeoneStoleMyName wrote...

What I dont get is why people are angry. Because if we were indeed fooled, and it was all an indoctrination - then considering all the hints, I feel we got fooled in a good way.

Predictability sucks. If I genuinely got fooled (I choose synthesis) then I'm extatic about it. Just knowing that "trick" wasnt the real ending is more than good enough.

And who the F**** cares if they add the rest later?

They couldve made a boring memorable ending that was great. With ruined endings for some due to leaked endings and footage.

or...

They could pull of the most genius trick ever, not only in providing a false ending. But have this false ending being an actual part of the lore (Indoctrination) fool everyone, and make it the greates ending of all time - and sure as hell unique and memorable. And most of all unpredictable.

Ive said it before, this will either prove to be the worst or the best ending ever. And if it really is the indoctrination theory, then who the frack cares if they add it later through DLC aslong as it doesent cost money. Hell, even if it DOES cost money... it would still be worth it by far.

If it turns out the last part is indoctrination, and the ending really is still to come. Would you really want to go back and change it to "Boring predictable endfight with harbinger and dance around with your crew in celebration"?

I for once find this mindf**** extremely satisfying.

9000x this... Bioware has always been about telling stories, if this is true it will be one of the greatest stories of my generation, but if it's false, it will just be "the game was ok but the ending SUCKED!"

[G0thicRhino]

novaseeker wrote...

UKHaz wrote...

 Thank you OP for and everyone else for this topic! Definately think we've cracked it with the indoctrination theory.

Just to add a little something, in the final dream sequence, you eventually see Shepard with the Kid go up in flames. Could this be a hint from BW that if you side with / agree with the child/catalyst Shepard joins the child, i.e. dies and fails; thus the reapers have successfully indocrinated him.

Exactly.  It is a foreshadowing, in part, but also a warning.

I had the same thought on my second run.

[BlackAvalon]

SomeoneStoleMyName wrote...

What I dont get is why people are angry. Because if we were indeed fooled, and it was all an indoctrination - then considering all the hints, I feel we got fooled in a good way.

Predictability sucks. If I genuinely got fooled (I choose synthesis) then I'm extatic about it. Just knowing that "trick" wasnt the real ending is more than good enough.

And who the F**** cares if they add the rest later?

They couldve made a boring memorable ending that was great. With ruined endings for some due to leaked endings and footage.

or...

They could pull of the most genius trick ever, not only in providing a false ending. But have this false ending being an actual part of the lore (Indoctrination) fool everyone, and make it the greates ending of all time - and sure as hell unique and memorable. And most of all unpredictable.

Ive said it before, this will either prove to be the worst or the best ending ever. And if it really is the indoctrination theory, then who the frack cares if they add it later through DLC aslong as it doesent cost money. Hell, even if it DOES cost money... it would still be worth it by far.

If it turns out the last part is indoctrination, and the ending really is still to come. Would you really want to go back and change it to "Boring predictable endfight with harbinger and dance around with your crew in celebration"?

I for once find this mindf**** extremely satisfying.

Exactly! I have been fighting with my roommate about this over the past day and a half. He says that it would be disappointing knowing that two of the three choices don't mean anything. I say nay! If this theory is reality, and to me it is, it is completely brilliant!

And to add my two cents, I agree with everyone else on the destroy being breaking free of the indoctrination, but I analogize the other two options, control and synthesis, to becoming a husk and becoming their puppet ala Saren, respectively. Don't know if its true, but that's the way it sits in my head. *shrug*

[krystalevenstar]

lookingglassmind wrote...

krystalevenstar wrote...

Reiterating my request if anyone knows anything about audio editing, could you try to see about muting the child's voice and amplifying jennifer hale/mark meer's? Fiddling blindly with audacity is yielding awful results XD

Krystal,

I'm working on it in Audacity too. Might take me a bit.

Great, personally i'm using just a clip from 'You will die, you will control us but you will lose everything you have' since I think that has a very good shift during the actual audio from being predominantly Jennifer Hale's voice at the beginning to predominantly Mark Meer at the end of the sentance. If only I could get rid of that damn kid's voice.

[Action Bawstard]

I have searched for this answer though this thread, but cannot seem to find one. Sorry if this was already answered. But when the Normandy lands on Planet X (whatever it is), besides Joker coming out, do the teammates you selected for the final battle abort the Normandy as well? From the videos I have seen, I always see Tali and Garrus. But is it because always brings them?

[Sl4sh3r]

mr.surv wrote...

Humakt83 wrote...

Is it just me or is something odd with Joker's eyes at ending scene?

I also noticed that something is not right....

Which ending? If it's the Synthesize one I believe it's supposed to symbolize that he's now part Synetic.

[De1ta G]

If you choose Control... you have become The Illusive Man
If you choose Synthesis... you have become Saren
If you choose Destroy... you are still Shepard

[rogueagent6]

BlackAvalon wrote...

SomeoneStoleMyName wrote...

What I dont get is why people are angry. Because if we were indeed fooled, and it was all an indoctrination - then considering all the hints, I feel we got fooled in a good way.

Predictability sucks. If I genuinely got fooled (I choose synthesis) then I'm extatic about it. Just knowing that "trick" wasnt the real ending is more than good enough.

And who the F**** cares if they add the rest later?

They couldve made a boring memorable ending that was great. With ruined endings for some due to leaked endings and footage.

or...

They could pull of the most genius trick ever, not only in providing a false ending. But have this false ending being an actual part of the lore (Indoctrination) fool everyone, and make it the greates ending of all time - and sure as hell unique and memorable. And most of all unpredictable.

Ive said it before, this will either prove to be the worst or the best ending ever. And if it really is the indoctrination theory, then who the frack cares if they add it later through DLC aslong as it doesent cost money. Hell, even if it DOES cost money... it would still be worth it by far.

If it turns out the last part is indoctrination, and the ending really is still to come. Would you really want to go back and change it to "Boring predictable endfight with harbinger and dance around with your crew in celebration"?

I for once find this mindf**** extremely satisfying.

Exactly! I have been fighting with my roommate about this over the past day and a half. He says that it would be disappointing knowing that two of the three choices don't mean anything. I say nay! If this theory is reality, and to me it is, it is completely brilliant!

And to add my two cents, I agree with everyone else on the destroy being breaking free of the indoctrination, but I analogize the other two options, control and synthesis, to becoming a husk and becoming their puppet ala Saren, respectively. Don't know if its true, but that's the way it sits in my head. *shrug*

QFT. All of it.