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[byne]

Rifneno wrote...

Note the part where I said I've never played WoW? That kind of implies I'm not into WoW lore and am commenting on the more general terms like "paladin". Hope that whole "reading" dealie isn't a big thing for lawyers.

I "don't know nothing" about a game I've never played? The hell you say!

P.S. That was sarcasm. I'd think it'd be obvious but I also thought "I've never played WoW" meaning "I'm not big on WoW's story" would be obvious too.

Well, you just said WoW. I'd assumed you were at least vaguely familiar with WC3's story, but my mistake.

Speaking of paladins, the Horde has paladins too, these days.

Originally the Blood Elves captured a Naaru, which is basically a living embodiment of holy enery, and they siphoned off holy power from it, allowing them to use the Holy Light.

Eventually the Naaru died though, and revealed that it had been its plan all along to bring the elves back to holy magic away from demonic magic, so had allowed itself to be captured or some such.

So while Blood Elf paladins used to be kind of evil, they arent anymore, and can naturally draw upon the Light without stealing it.

The tauren also have sunwalkers, which are basically paladins.

I dont really count them though, because tauren are basically cow people, and tauren paladins are holy cows, and that is just silly.

[MaximizedAction]

Golferguy758 wrote...

Daryslash wrote...

One thing though (first post on the forum, but being reading for a long time), why would Harbinger try to indoctrinate Shepard instead of just destroying her/him with the beam?

Don't get me wrong, I think everything pointed out in this thread make a lot of sense, and I hope this theory comes out to be right. I actually think it is right.

Martyrs are much more of a pain to deal with.  If Shepard is flat out killed by Harbinger you can be sure that the raage induced fighting from everyone would increase massively. Would it necessarily change anything? Unlikely, but it could cost several more Reaper ships etc. People fight to avenge martyrs incredibly hard. (Joan of Arc)

Also, turning your foe into you pawn is a massive insult. Shepard has resisted the Reapers for so long, but sitll fails and becomes a pawn of harbinger.  Reapers are arrogant, this would be one more way of showing how superior they are to us.

On a tactical front an indoctrinated Shepard would be very valuable. The galaxy is following Shepard, not Humanity, not any other individual, Shepard. If Shepard is turned the galaxy-wide resistance would fall apart to their own in-fighting. If they could get Shepard into certain meetings they information they pass could wipe out any vestiges of resistance very fast.
 

The galaxy's Shepard. Very good sum up!

[EpyonX3]

Hawk227 wrote...

Arbalor4 wrote...

Anyone notice the cables connecting the ems display in the war room to the QEC are the same cables connecting parts of the crucible? like the ones stuck on the back of the mako display thing i dont have screenshots maybe someone else does.

Do you mean these crucible cables?



If so, they're not the same.

Unless you're talking about these big tubes in the top left corner:



In which case they look very similar to big(ger) tubes on the crucible

Hey that's my cable pic!


Nice!

[EpyonX3]

Just went though the beam push one more time and although the blocks in the breathe scene resemble those in other areas in London, those blocks are no where to be found by the beam.

So just because they look similar is yet to prove or disprove anything. We still have the cables missing as well.

[Simon_Says]

So I leave for a single day and suddenly the thread devolves into... ranting and WoW related nonsense.

Are we seriously -that- starved for something to talk about?

[Arian Dynas]

Simon_Says wrote...

So I leave for a single day and suddenly the thread devolves into... ranting and WoW related nonsense.

Are we seriously -that- starved for something to talk about?

Yes.

[Arian Dynas]

byne wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Note the part where I said I've never played WoW? That kind of implies I'm not into WoW lore and am commenting on the more general terms like "paladin". Hope that whole "reading" dealie isn't a big thing for lawyers.

I "don't know nothing" about a game I've never played? The hell you say!

P.S. That was sarcasm. I'd think it'd be obvious but I also thought "I've never played WoW" meaning "I'm not big on WoW's story" would be obvious too.

Well, you just said WoW. I'd assumed you were at least vaguely familiar with WC3's story, but my mistake.

Speaking of paladins, the Horde has paladins too, these days.

Originally the Blood Elves captured a Naaru, which is basically a living embodiment of holy enery, and they siphoned off holy power from it, allowing them to use the Holy Light.

Eventually the Naaru died though, and revealed that it had been its plan all along to bring the elves back to holy magic away from demonic magic, so had allowed itself to be captured or some such.

So while Blood Elf paladins used to be kind of evil, they arent anymore, and can naturally draw upon the Light without stealing it.

The tauren also have sunwalkers, which are basically paladins.

I dont really count them though, because tauren are basically cow people, and tauren paladins are holy cows, and that is just silly.

Actually in WoW Paladins aren't so much "good is rewarded with power" as they are "conviction and devotion, sometimes fanatical to a specific ideology" gives them power. Even the Scarlet Crusade can draw upon the Light.

But I don't play WoW anymore, so I'll leave it there.

[MegumiAzusa]

EpyonX3 wrote...

Just went though the beam push one more time and although the blocks in the breathe scene resemble those in other areas in London, those blocks are no where to be found by the beam.

So just because they look similar is yet to prove or disprove anything. We still have the cables missing as well.

[Rifneno]

byne wrote...

Well, you just said WoW. I'd assumed you were at least vaguely familiar with WC3's story, but my mistake.

Speaking of paladins, the Horde has paladins too, these days.

Originally the Blood Elves captured a Naaru, which is basically a living embodiment of holy enery, and they siphoned off holy power from it, allowing them to use the Holy Light.

Eventually the Naaru died though, and revealed that it had been its plan all along to bring the elves back to holy magic away from demonic magic, so had allowed itself to be captured or some such.

So while Blood Elf paladins used to be kind of evil, they arent anymore, and can naturally draw upon the Light without stealing it.

The tauren also have sunwalkers, which are basically paladins.

I dont really count them though, because tauren are basically cow people, and tauren paladins are holy cows, and that is just silly.

I didn't mean the snark at you, just at the two "lol wuts wrong with u?" posters.

A friend got me to try WC3 waaaay back when. Wasn't my kind of game. I remember something about a lot of zombies and a prince with an unholy holy macguffin but that's about it. Anyway, yeah my mistake... I'm more used to the types of games where paladins are just plain "the good guys". If there were evil pallies, they were usually called something else. Like shadow knight.

Love the "holy cows" line.

[Arian Dynas]

MaximizedAction wrote...

Unschuld wrote...

Not sure if this has been mentioned already, but I figured I'd post it anyway.

I just finished another playthrough. Though I find the whole Maj. Coates theory dubious at best, I did notice that his line "our forces have been completely decimated" (paraphrase) began at exactly the same time as the camera panned to Harbinger flying away. It could be something, maybe. Or nothing. That and Anderson knowing Harbinger by name and that he was one of the reapers coming down seems suspicious. Either "clues" or coincidence and and poor writing.

Interesting, but doesn't the Alliance know Harbinger, according to the Codex? So the fleet should know and recognize Harbinger from afar. Remember the last shot of Shep in ME2 where he's holding a tablet with Harbinger on it before looking into the 'sunset'.

But why Harbinger decided to 'direct this personally', or our brave hero's sudden fear of Harbinger, dunno.

The Alliance knows EXACTLY whom Harbinger is, from A). Rogue Cerberus operatives,

and . THE FACT THAT HE SAID HIS NAME EVERY TIME HE ATTACKED A HUMAN COLONY.

Harbinger announces who he is every time he took direct control of a Collector. And as James shows, the Systems Alliance fought ALOT of Collectors.

paxxton wrote...

Falloutwarfare wrote...

paxxton wrote...

I think that the Reaper invasion isn't over. It took ages for the Reapers to destroy the Protheans. Why would it take a timespan of a single game for them to complete (or not) the current cycle?

what you got to remember is that it wouldn't take them as long as it would for the protheans of a few reasons

1 -  the protheans numbered in the trillions, alot more than the modern races number combined and sacrificed individual planets to buy more time.

2 - the modern raced in the game have pooled almost all their ships and armies together for the assault on earth so if that fails most of the fleets/armies will be decimated, damaged or outright destroyed so the reapers could destroy each race easily as there would be basicly no resistance.

so all that being said there would be no need for any other game just a cinematic telling us how the reapers swept through the galaxy and killed everyone.

what a cheery thought huh? 

Moreover, I suppose BioWare considers all those multiplayer weekends as fighting the Reaper forces. I bet they have a counter at their offices in Edmonton.

 

Once again, I direct you to my theory that the entire ending/multiplayer events and ANN twitter feed are a big ARG.

Also, things to point out, while the Protheans did NOT outnumber us, the empire itself was comparable to most of known space, mayhaps slightly bigger. And the reason they lasted as long as they did was because they went into extreme guerilla warefare and scorched earth tactics, burning entire planets to save vital supply lines. We've got one bigass fleet, which is to say, one good shot at winning, then we're done.

[EpyonX3]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Just went though the beam push one more time and although the blocks in the breathe scene resemble those in other areas in London, those blocks are no where to be found by the beam.

So just because they look similar is yet to prove or disprove anything. We still have the cables missing as well.

I've seen that one yes. It's still not conclusive to me given how much bioware reuses assets in the game. Especially when the cables aren't in that scene either and there are a few unrecognizable parts as well.

[Salient Archer]

Slow news day huh?!?

Than again, I'm not helping so I can't really complain can I!

Modifié par Salient Archer, 11 mai 2012 - 01:18 .

[byne]

Salient Archer wrote...

Slow news day huh?

Than again, I'm not helping so I can't really complain can I?

Its slow news because on page 2186, all the Mass Relays were destroyed in multicolored explosions, so we cant get our news as quickly as we used to

[Salient Archer]

EpyonX3 wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Just went though the beam push one more time and although the blocks in the breathe scene resemble those in other areas in London, those blocks are no where to be found by the beam.

So just because they look similar is yet to prove or disprove anything. We still have the cables missing as well.

I've seen that one yes. It's still not conclusive to me given how much bioware reuses assets in the game. Especially when the cables aren't in that scene either and there are a few unrecognizable parts as well.

BioWare do reuse a lot of assets, but the Breath scene is pre-render not in-game

[EpyonX3]

Salient Archer wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Just went though the beam push one more time and although the blocks in the breathe scene resemble those in other areas in London, those blocks are no where to be found by the beam.

So just because they look similar is yet to prove or disprove anything. We still have the cables missing as well.

I've seen that one yes. It's still not conclusive to me given how much bioware reuses assets in the game. Especially when the cables aren't in that scene either and there are a few unrecognizable parts as well.

BioWare do reuse a lot of assets, but the Breath scene is pre-render not in-game

Pre-rendered doesn't mean the can't reuse assets. It just means that they rendered the assets into a video so the game doesn't have to do it.

[Salient Archer]

byne wrote...

Salient Archer wrote...

Slow news day huh?

Than again, I'm not helping so I can't really complain can I?

Its slow news because on page 2186, all the Mass Relays were destroyed in multicolored explosions, so we cant get our news as quickly as we used to

Well I guess that's a valid reason, although I prefer to use the term Esteban-Explosions opposed to multicolored.

Modifié par Salient Archer, 11 mai 2012 - 01:22 .

[EpyonX3]

byne wrote...

Salient Archer wrote...

Slow news day huh?

Than again, I'm not helping so I can't really complain can I?

Its slow news because on page 2186, all the Mass Relays were destroyed in multicolored explosions, so we cant get our news as quickly as we used to

+1 Cookie!

[TheConstantOne]

Salient Archer wrote...

Slow news day huh?!?

Than again, I'm not helping so I can't really complain can I!

It's a very slow news day.  To give you an idea of how slow, I keep thinking that I'm going to google the ME 3 extended cut and get a giant troll face picture from bioware

[Unschuld]

I like you, EpyonX3. And not just because you have the name of one of the coolest Gundams ever.

[Arian Dynas]

EpyonX3 wrote...
*snip*
Pre-rendered doesn't mean the can't reuse assets. It just means that they rendered the assets into a video so the game doesn't have to do it.

...

YES IT FREAKING DOES!

PRE-RENDERED means that they made it, likely without care for a specific peice of concrete, RENDERED SEPERATELY, So you want us to assume that the "Shepard got blown back into some concrete and has been in a hallucinatory coma the whole time" is for one, the correct interpretation, but ALSO TO FIND THE CONCRETE HE LANDED IN? This is working WITH the assumption that either way, the area around him would not be recognizeable because there's an explosion either from Harbinger's Beam, or from Shepard blowing something up in Destroy.

[Salient Archer]

TheConstantOne wrote...

Salient Archer wrote...

Slow news day huh?!?

Than again, I'm not helping so I can't really complain can I!

It's a very slow news day.  To give you an idea of how slow, I keep thinking that I'm going to google the ME 3 extended cut and get a giant troll face picture from bioware

So slow in fact that just after you posted this I decided to Google it just to ensure that we don't.

[EpyonX3]

Unschuld wrote...

I like you, EpyonX3. And not just because you have the name of one of the coolest Gundams ever.

Nice! Usualy people disagree and say wing zero was. Epyon certainly look much better than Zero.

[Unschuld]

EpyonX3 wrote...

Unschuld wrote...

I like you, EpyonX3. And not just because you have the name of one of the coolest Gundams ever.

Nice! Usualy people disagree and say wing zero was. Epyon certainly look much better than Zero.

I don't like the whole feathery wing-thing, so that one's at the bottom of my list.

I'll admit, my favorite was Heavyarms though.

[EpyonX3]

Arian Dynas wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...
*snip*
Pre-rendered doesn't mean the can't reuse assets. It just means that they rendered the assets into a video so the game doesn't have to do it.

...

YES IT FREAKING DOES!

PRE-RENDERED means that they made it, likely without care for a specific peice of concrete, RENDERED SEPERATELY, So you want us to assume that the "Shepard got blown back into some concrete and has been in a hallucinatory coma the whole time" is for one, the correct interpretation, but ALSO TO FIND THE CONCRETE HE LANDED IN? This is working WITH the assumption that either way, the area around him would not be recognizeable because there's an explosion either from Harbinger's Beam, or from Shepard blowing something up in Destroy.

I'll say it again, I'm still open to the idea that this is earth, more so than before, however, the fact that bioware made a prerendered scene does not mean that assets weren't reused. If you look at the quality of that block, you'd notice it's the exact same block with the exact same scratches, grooves and wear than the one seen in London. The fact that these blocks are repeated throughout the mission and the beam push takes away from the uniqueness of it being in that scene.

That's all I'm saying.

[EpyonX3]

Unschuld wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Unschuld wrote...

I like you, EpyonX3. And not just because you have the name of one of the coolest Gundams ever.

Nice! Usualy people disagree and say wing zero was. Epyon certainly look much better than Zero.

I don't like the whole feathery wing-thing, so that one's at the bottom of my list.

I'll admit, my favorite was Heavyarms though.

Of course, who wouldn't want to be in control of two huge chain guns.