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[Unschuld]

EpyonX3 wrote...
Of course, who wouldn't want to be in control of two huge chain guns.

Don't forget the bucketloads of missiles, and a half clown mask for some twisted sense of irony.

[EpyonX3]

Unschuld wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...
Of course, who wouldn't want to be in control of two huge chain guns.

Don't forget the bucketloads of missiles, and a half clown mask for some twisted sense of irony.

Yeah that two. He was the performer correct?

[Salient Archer]

Let us play "spot the difference"

building


exploded building

[Arian Dynas]

EpyonX3 wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...
*snip*
Pre-rendered doesn't mean the can't reuse assets. It just means that they rendered the assets into a video so the game doesn't have to do it.

...

YES IT FREAKING DOES!

PRE-RENDERED means that they made it, likely without care for a specific peice of concrete, RENDERED SEPERATELY, So you want us to assume that the "Shepard got blown back into some concrete and has been in a hallucinatory coma the whole time" is for one, the correct interpretation, but ALSO TO FIND THE CONCRETE HE LANDED IN? This is working WITH the assumption that either way, the area around him would not be recognizeable because there's an explosion either from Harbinger's Beam, or from Shepard blowing something up in Destroy.

I'll say it again, I'm still open to the idea that this is earth, more so than before, however, the fact that bioware made a prerendered scene does not mean that assets weren't reused. If you look at the quality of that block, you'd notice it's the exact same block with the exact same scratches, grooves and wear than the one seen in London. The fact that these blocks are repeated throughout the mission and the beam push takes away from the uniqueness of it being in that scene.

That's all I'm saying.

Then in that case, I forgive you, assuming I'm reading this correctly and you aren't asking for us to find one specific pebble on a beach.

[Unschuld]

EpyonX3 wrote...

Yeah that two. He was the performer correct?

He was some sort of knife-throwing sad clown acrobat, borderline emo like all "cool" characters in Japanese media are supposed to be.

Modifié par Unschuld, 11 mai 2012 - 01:38 .

[Unschuld]

Arian Dynas wrote...
Then in that case, I forgive you, assuming I'm reading this correctly and you aren't asking for us to find one specific pebble on a beach.

If you look at the pic of Shepard looking at that pile of rubble on the hill, you can see that same large boulder repeated directly to the right. Safe to say it's not a unique rock, and just a reused asset. Not proof that Shepard isn't waking up next to it in the breath scene, but it does take away from the "this is where he/she's definitely waking up because that's the same rock" thing.

Modifié par Unschuld, 11 mai 2012 - 01:41 .

[EpyonX3]

Arian Dynas wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...
*snip*
Pre-rendered doesn't mean the can't reuse assets. It just means that they rendered the assets into a video so the game doesn't have to do it.

...

YES IT FREAKING DOES!

PRE-RENDERED means that they made it, likely without care for a specific peice of concrete, RENDERED SEPERATELY, So you want us to assume that the "Shepard got blown back into some concrete and has been in a hallucinatory coma the whole time" is for one, the correct interpretation, but ALSO TO FIND THE CONCRETE HE LANDED IN? This is working WITH the assumption that either way, the area around him would not be recognizeable because there's an explosion either from Harbinger's Beam, or from Shepard blowing something up in Destroy.

I'll say it again, I'm still open to the idea that this is earth, more so than before, however, the fact that bioware made a prerendered scene does not mean that assets weren't reused. If you look at the quality of that block, you'd notice it's the exact same block with the exact same scratches, grooves and wear than the one seen in London. The fact that these blocks are repeated throughout the mission and the beam push takes away from the uniqueness of it being in that scene.

That's all I'm saying.

Then in that case, I forgive you, assuming I'm reading this correctly and you aren't asking for us to find one specific pebble on a beach.

Uh...thanks, I guess.

[EpyonX3]

Unschuld wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Yeah that two. He was the performer correct?

He was some sort of knife-throwing sad clown acrobat, borderline emo like all "cool" characters in Japanese media are supposed to be.

Lol that's Trowa(Spelling?) for ya. He was one of the cooler ones next to Hiro.

[TheConstantOne]

Alright everyone, I've noticed something really weird about what Star Bieber says to Shepard in the low EMS destroy scenario. The kid says that the Crucible changed him but he won't make the new possibilities happen. When Shepard asks what possibilities are, Reaper Bieber replies with, "What you came here to do. You want to destroy us." He then goes right along describing the destroy option as if it WILL destroy the Reapers.

So the kid basically offers destroy while saying he won't let Shepard destroy the Reapers...I find that a really weird WTF moment, even for an indoc scene. Has anyone had any insight on what that comment means?

[Salient Archer]

Arian Dynas wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...
*snip*
Pre-rendered doesn't mean the can't reuse assets. It just means that they rendered the assets into a video so the game doesn't have to do it.

...

YES IT FREAKING DOES!

PRE-RENDERED means that they made it, likely without care for a specific peice of concrete, RENDERED SEPERATELY, So you want us to assume that the "Shepard got blown back into some concrete and has been in a hallucinatory coma the whole time" is for one, the correct interpretation, but ALSO TO FIND THE CONCRETE HE LANDED IN? This is working WITH the assumption that either way, the area around him would not be recognizeable because there's an explosion either from Harbinger's Beam, or from Shepard blowing something up in Destroy.

I'll say it again, I'm still open to the idea that this is earth, more so than before, however, the fact that bioware made a prerendered scene does not mean that assets weren't reused. If you look at the quality of that block, you'd notice it's the exact same block with the exact same scratches, grooves and wear than the one seen in London. The fact that these blocks are repeated throughout the mission and the beam push takes away from the uniqueness of it being in that scene.

That's all I'm saying.

Then in that case, I forgive you, assuming I'm reading this correctly and you aren't asking for us to find one specific pebble on a beach.

Ok, I also now understand where you are coming from, but still the scene is pre-rendered and if you watch it as many times as Gunslinger_ruiz has you'll notice the scene is pure-CGI and the elements have been designed intentionally to resemble their in-game counterparts but are not in fact the same game world objects themselves ... Besides, if it was just to use the in-game engine, than why pre-render it? (other than the whole flycam debate)

By the way, this scene was rendered at BioWare Montreux (where they do their CGI work) not Edmonton.

Modifié par Salient Archer, 11 mai 2012 - 01:45 .

[Unschuld]

EpyonX3 wrote...

Lol that's Trowa(Spelling?) for ya. He was one of the cooler ones next to Hiro.

Yep, I think that's correct. You know what, it hurts when I remember that the show was new almost 20 years ago.

[TheConstantOne]

TheConstantOne wrote...

Alright everyone, I've noticed something really weird about what Star Bieber says to Shepard in the low EMS destroy scenario. The kid says that the Crucible changed him but he won't make the new possibilities happen. When Shepard asks what possibilities are, Reaper Bieber replies with, "What you came here to do. You want to destroy us." He then goes right along describing the destroy option as if it WILL destroy the Reapers.

So the kid basically offers destroy while saying he won't let Shepard destroy the Reapers...I find that a really weird WTF moment, even for an indoc scene. Has anyone had any insight on what that comment means?

As a quick addition to this, this seems to imply that destroy is not quite what it seems to be.  Given the kid's apparent history of lying though, this is hardly a surprise

[Salient Archer]

TheConstantOne wrote...

Alright everyone, I've noticed something really weird about what Star Bieber says to Shepard in the low EMS destroy scenario. The kid says that the Crucible changed him but he won't make the new possibilities happen. When Shepard asks what possibilities are, Reaper Bieber replies with, "What you came here to do. You want to destroy us." He then goes right along describing the destroy option as if it WILL destroy the Reapers.

So the kid basically offers destroy while saying he won't let Shepard destroy the Reapers...I find that a really weird WTF moment, even for an indoc scene. Has anyone had any insight on what that comment means?

You've got me intrigued! Any chance you could upload a vid of the scene?

[Unschuld]

TheConstantOne wrote...

So the kid basically offers destroy while saying he won't let Shepard destroy the Reapers...I find that a really weird WTF moment, even for an indoc scene. Has anyone had any insight on what that comment means?

Catalyst: "Yeah, it'll totally destroy the reapers" *snicker*

Shepard: "What was that last part? It sounded like you were laughing..."

Catalyst: "Oh, um, nothing.... I wasn't going to say anything about 'this hurting you' either."

Modifié par Unschuld, 11 mai 2012 - 01:50 .

[Unschuld]

Unschuld wrote...

Know what really bothers me, regarding foreshadowing? Javik's story about slitting his indoctrinated crew's throats...

Reposting just cause. I guess no one else got an 'oh ****' feeling the first time they played through and noticed the dialogue with Javik drawing a parallel with Shepard.

[Salient Archer]

Unschuld wrote...

TheConstantOne wrote...

So the kid basically offers destroy while saying he won't let Shepard destroy the Reapers...I find that a really weird WTF moment, even for an indoc scene. Has anyone had any insight on what that comment means?

Catalyst: "Yeah, it'll totally destroy the reapers" *snicker*

Shepard: "What was that last part? It sounded like you were laughing..."

Catalyst: "Oh, um, nothing.... I wasn't going to say anything about 'this hurting you' either."

Shepard: "What the ****?"

Catalyst: "It's not like you have a choice, just get it over with already, I have a busy sched to uphold!, a lot of things to do!"

Shepard: "Like what?"

Catalyst: "Well it's not like the galaxies going to rape it's own ass"

Modifié par Salient Archer, 11 mai 2012 - 01:56 .

[Salient Archer]

Unschuld wrote...

Unschuld wrote...

Know what really bothers me, regarding foreshadowing? Javik's story about slitting his indoctrinated crew's throats...

Reposting just cause. I guess no one else got an 'oh ****' feeling the first time they played through and noticed the dialogue with Javik drawing a parallel with Shepard.

Yeah, it freaked me out a little, but was kind of expected from Javik, althought when I did hear the line I felt the urge to take a few steps back towards the exit.

[Unschuld]

Salient Archer wrote...

Yeah, it freaked me out a little, but was kind of expected from Javik, althought when I did hear the line I felt the urge to take a few steps back towards the exit.

On my first playthrough, before I knew how the game was going to end, I had this awful feeling that I might be forced to kill some of my crew, or they would have to do the same for Shepard if he became indoctrinated.

[MegumiAzusa]

Salient Archer wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...
*snip*
Pre-rendered doesn't mean the can't reuse assets. It just means that they rendered the assets into a video so the game doesn't have to do it.

...

YES IT FREAKING DOES!

PRE-RENDERED means that they made it, likely without care for a specific peice of concrete, RENDERED SEPERATELY, So you want us to assume that the "Shepard got blown back into some concrete and has been in a hallucinatory coma the whole time" is for one, the correct interpretation, but ALSO TO FIND THE CONCRETE HE LANDED IN? This is working WITH the assumption that either way, the area around him would not be recognizeable because there's an explosion either from Harbinger's Beam, or from Shepard blowing something up in Destroy.

I'll say it again, I'm still open to the idea that this is earth, more so than before, however, the fact that bioware made a prerendered scene does not mean that assets weren't reused. If you look at the quality of that block, you'd notice it's the exact same block with the exact same scratches, grooves and wear than the one seen in London. The fact that these blocks are repeated throughout the mission and the beam push takes away from the uniqueness of it being in that scene.

That's all I'm saying.

Then in that case, I forgive you, assuming I'm reading this correctly and you aren't asking for us to find one specific pebble on a beach.

Ok, I also now understand where you are coming from, but still the scene is pre-rendered and if you watch it as many times as Gunslinger_ruiz has you'll notice the scene is pure-CGI and the elements have been designed intentionally to resemble their in-game counterparts but are not in fact the same game world objects themselves ... Besides, if it was just to use the in-game engine, than why pre-render it? (other than the whole flycam debate)

By the way, this scene was rendered at BioWare Montreux (where they do their CGI work) not Edmonton.

It is prerendered because of the dust in the air.
If your assessment would be true at least these scenes shouldn't be prerendered either:
cat002_100_arrival
Cat003_100_DockArv
Cat004_arrival_pt1
Cat004_arrival_pt3
CerJcb_Depart_pt1
CerJcb_Depart_pt2
End001_ShuttleDown_End
End001_ShuttleDown_Start
End01_HammerFail
End01_HammerIntro
End03_Anderson_Short
End03_Flashback_Anderson
End03_Flashback_Ash
End03_Flashback_Joker
End03_Flashback_Kaiden
End03_Flashback_Liara
End03_Im_Short
GthLeg_Admiral_GTHShip1
GthLeg_Admiral_GTHShip2
Kro002_Convoy_PR
Kro002_Cure_PR
Kro002_CurePR_01
Kro002_CurePR_03
ProEar_Intro_Pt2
ProEar_Intro_Pt2_Fem
ProEar_Intro_Pt6
ProEar_Intro_Pt6_Fem

[byne]

Yknow, one thing I've been wondering about.

During the conversation with the Reaper on Rannoch, it calls you Shepard, and you are all 'You know who I am?' to which it replies 'Harbinger speaks of you.'

Why exactly would Harbinger speak about Shepard to the other Reapers?

Harby claims he considers Shepard basically just an annoyance, not a real threat. If that were true, you wouldnt spend time telling the other Reapers about her. I consider the fly that flew into my room yesterday an annoyance, but I didnt call all my friends to tell them how insignificant it was.

Unless the Reapers have slumber parties and gossip like teenage girls, wouldnt Harby's only real reason to speak of Shepard be if he had some sort of plan in store for her?

To quote Harbinger himself: "You cannot escape your destiny, Shepard"

Seems pretty clear Harbinger has something in store for Shepard.

Hey, Shepard, what if I said you could literally have the power to control all the Reapers? “I will show you true power.” Wouldnt you like that?

Oh, you wouldnt? Ok, well, “Evolution cannot be stopped”, why not take everyone to the next stage of evolution? Wouldnt that be fun?

All you have to do to accomplish that is “Relinquish your form to us"!

Wait no, dont shoot that tube! “These attacks are pointless.” “You will regret your resistance, Shepard.”

Its like the entire second game he was trying to plant these sorts of ideas in your head.

Modifié par byne, 11 mai 2012 - 02:12 .

[TheConstantOne]

Salient Archer wrote...

TheConstantOne wrote...

Alright everyone, I've noticed something really weird about what Star Bieber says to Shepard in the low EMS destroy scenario. The kid says that the Crucible changed him but he won't make the new possibilities happen. When Shepard asks what possibilities are, Reaper Bieber replies with, "What you came here to do. You want to destroy us." He then goes right along describing the destroy option as if it WILL destroy the Reapers.

So the kid basically offers destroy while saying he won't let Shepard destroy the Reapers...I find that a really weird WTF moment, even for an indoc scene. Has anyone had any insight on what that comment means?

You've got me intrigued! Any chance you could upload a vid of the scene?

At 3:14, the strangeness begins

 

[TSA_383]

TheConstantOne wrote...

Alright everyone, I've noticed something really weird about what Star Bieber says to Shepard in the low EMS destroy scenario. The kid says that the Crucible changed him but he won't make the new possibilities happen. When Shepard asks what possibilities are, Reaper Bieber replies with, "What you came here to do. You want to destroy us." He then goes right along describing the destroy option as if it WILL destroy the Reapers.

So the kid basically offers destroy while saying he won't let Shepard destroy the Reapers...I find that a really weird WTF moment, even for an indoc scene. Has anyone had any insight on what that comment means?

That's interesting
Surely this suggests that he doesn't NEED to try to trick you, as the crucible, or shepard personally or whatever, isn't a threat?
The implication is that it doesn't matter what you intended on doing, it is no longer important.

byne wrote...

Yknow, one thing I've been wondering about.

During
the conversation with the Reaper on Rannoch, it calls you Shepard, and
you are all 'You know who I am?' to which it replies 'Harbinger speaks
of you.'

Why exactly would Harbinger speak about Shepard to the other Reapers?

Harby
claims he considers Shepard basically just an annoyance, not a real
threat. If that were true, you wouldnt spend time telling the other
Reapers about her. I consider the fly that flew into my room yesterday
an annoyance, but I didnt call all my friends to tell them how
insignificant it was.

Unless the Reapers have slumber parties and
gossip like teenage girls, wouldnt Harby's only real reason to speak of
Shepard be if he had some sort of plan in store for her?

To quote Harbinger himself: "You cannot escape your destiny, Shepard"

Seems pretty clear Harbinger has something in store for Shepard.

Hey,
Shepard, what if I said you could literally have the power to control
all the Reapers? “I will show you true power.” Wouldnt you like that?

Oh,
you wouldnt? Ok, well, “Evolution cannot be stopped”, why not take
everyone to the next stage of evolution? Wouldnt that be fun?

All you have to do to accomplish that is “Relinquish your form to us"!

Wait no, dont shoot that tube! “These attacks are pointless.” “You will regret your resistance, Shepard.”

Its like the entire second game he was trying to plant these sorts of ideas in your head.

I agree with you entirely on this point, but my god that's a fantastic image

Unschuld wrote...

Salient Archer wrote...

Yeah,
it freaked me out a little, but was kind of expected from Javik,
althought when I did hear the line I felt the urge to take a few steps
back towards the exit.

On my first playthrough,
before I knew how the game was going to end, I had this awful feeling
that I might be forced to kill some of my crew, or they would have to do
the same for Shepard if he became indoctrinated.

It's not too late with the extended cut


Also, given that you've all got bored and started talking about WOW, have a look at my new sounds zip like the one yesterday but bigger and better and with *******

http://www.sendspace.com/file/tppzn0

*not really.

Modifié par TSA_383, 11 mai 2012 - 02:17 .

[Rifneno]

Salient Archer wrote...

Unschuld wrote...

TheConstantOne wrote...

So the kid basically offers destroy while saying he won't let Shepard destroy the Reapers...I find that a really weird WTF moment, even for an indoc scene. Has anyone had any insight on what that comment means?

Catalyst: "Yeah, it'll totally destroy the reapers" *snicker*

Shepard: "What was that last part? It sounded like you were laughing..."

Catalyst: "Oh, um, nothing.... I wasn't going to say anything about 'this hurting you' either."

Shepard: "What the ****?"

Catalyst: "It's not like you have a choice, just get it over with already, I have a busy sched to uphold!, a lot of things to do!"

Shepard: "Like what?"

Catalyst: "Well it's not like the galaxies going to rape it's own ass"

...  Huh.  I never noticed how much a spiral galaxy looks like an anus before.

[MegumiAzusa]

byne wrote...

Yknow, one thing I've been wondering about.

During the conversation with the Reaper on Rannoch, it calls you Shepard, and you are all 'You know who I am?' to which it replies 'Harbinger speaks of you.'

Why exactly would Harbinger speak about Shepard to the other Reapers?

Harby claims he considers Shepard basically just an annoyance, not a real threat. If that were true, you wouldnt spend time telling the other Reapers about her. I consider the fly that flew into my room yesterday an annoyance, but I didnt call all my friends to tell them how insignificant it was.

Unless the Reapers have slumber parties and gossip like teenage girls, wouldnt Harby's only real reason to speak of Shepard be if he had some sort of plan in store for her?

To quote Harbinger himself: "You cannot escape your destiny, Shepard"

Seems pretty clear Harbinger has something in store for Shepard.

Hey, Shepard, what if I said you could literally have the power to control all the Reapers? “I will show you true power.” Wouldnt you like that?

Oh, you wouldnt? Ok, well, “Evolution cannot be stopped”, why not take everyone to the next stage of evolution? Wouldnt that be fun?

All you have to do to accomplish that is “Relinquish your form to us"!

Wait no, dont shoot that tube! “These attacks are pointless.” “You will regret your resistance, Shepard.”

Its like the entire second game he was trying to plant these sorts of ideas in your head.

Shep is an annoyance not like a fly killing your pc (and I am sure I would tell someone about that if that would have happened) but how she illudes Harbingers henchmen, which seemingly did well the last cycle. Harbinger refers to its henchmen inability, but when compared to its own ability Sheps attacks would be pointless.

[Unschuld]

TSA_383 wrote...
It's not too late with the extended cut

I know.... this hurts me... 

I'd be fine with having to shoot myself (Shepard), but being forced to kill my wonderful crew-mates (well, mostly wonderful)... that would really, really suck.


And what sounds are those?

Modifié par Unschuld, 11 mai 2012 - 02:24 .