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[Neverwinter_Knight77]

You know, something else doesn't add up... Everybody knows that a direct hit from a reaper would have instantly vaporized anybody. Even Shepard. And Anderson isn't even wearing armor. If it isn't a direct hit, then... I still don't understand.

But anyway... When Shepard got knocked out and they said that the whole team got wiped out, I figured the whole thing from that point on was a dream, and Shepard was going to wake up. No way in hell that one laser would be wide enough to kill the whole team. But I was wrong. The ending... is really depressing, in my opinion. I played the hell out of singleplayer, but Shep and Anderson both still died, and that smug catalyst bastard got his wish fulfilled... I feel like I'm being trolled by Bioware.

[Beast919]

Neverwinter_Knight77 wrote...

You know, something else doesn't add up... Everybody knows that a direct hit from a reaper would have instantly vaporized anybody. Even Shepard. And Anderson isn't even wearing armor. If it isn't a direct hit, then... I still don't understand.

But anyway... When Shepard got knocked out and they said that the whole team got wiped out, I figured the whole thing from that point on was a dream, and Shepard was going to wake up. No way in hell that one laser would be wide enough to kill the whole team. But I was wrong. The ending... is really depressing, in my opinion. I played the hell out of singleplayer, but Shep and Anderson both still died, and that smug catalyst bastard got his wish fulfilled... I feel like I'm being trolled by Bioware.

I'm fairly certain we can imagine Shepard did not take it directly to the face.  I was told, in quite clear terms, that that doesn't end well during my stay on Rannoch.  Repeatedly.  And I don't think you have to assume the one laser blast killed everyone, Harbinger was flinging em all sorts of places.  I do think its also relatively unbelievable that the humans only had about 15 people to fling at the Catalyst though.  Seems unlikely.

[Beast919]

Hellfire257 wrote...

Beast919 wrote...

Hellfire257 wrote...

Honestly, I'd have preferred an ending in which you just hear Harbinger say "Assuming direct control" then the entire galaxy explodes. At least it would have made more sense.

I'd have taken an ending where Shepard staggers after the blast and then Harbinger goes "Assuming Direct Control" and makes Shepard do....

And then the Galaxy explodes.  At least then I might already be dead from the shock of it.

LOL, that's good enough for me.

Also...

Simply amazing. 

[TheKillerAngel]

Mass Effect 3: Space Jesus Acid Trip

[Kitten Tactics]

Did I remember it wrong? Anderson never acknowledges the boy in the beginning of the game? I do remember nobody helping him on to the escape shuttle, which I found odd. So the boy could be part of the reaper's control over Shepard....huh.

[Odd Bet]

Kitten Tactics wrote...

Did I remember it wrong? Anderson never acknowledges the boy in the beginning of the game? I do remember nobody helping him on to the escape shuttle, which I found odd. So the boy could be part of the reaper's control over Shepard....huh.

You're not wrong. I always thought that was weird. Wondered what Anderson thought Shepard was doing.

"Silly Shepard, talking to air ducts again."

[Beast919]

Kitten Tactics wrote...

Did I remember it wrong? Anderson never acknowledges the boy in the beginning of the game? I do remember nobody helping him on to the escape shuttle, which I found odd. So the boy could be part of the reaper's control over Shepard....huh.

Anderson doesn't see him, and he isn't *helped* onto the shuttle, but they do respond to his getting on by immediately closing the doors.  I think he existed, and got murderized, and either Shep is still dealing with that while unconcious, or its somethin Harby picks up on while trying to screw with his head.

[Beast919]

Odd Bet wrote...

Kitten Tactics wrote...

Did I remember it wrong? Anderson never acknowledges the boy in the beginning of the game? I do remember nobody helping him on to the escape shuttle, which I found odd. So the boy could be part of the reaper's control over Shepard....huh.

You're not wrong. I always thought that was weird. Wondered what Anderson thought Shepard was doing.

"Silly Shepard, talking to air ducts again."

Anderson is exploring the path behind the door, he probably figured Shep was exploring elsewhere, I dunno, didn't seem that weird.  Probably didn't even hear Shepard talking, and he calls to him from the other room.

[Lumenadducere]

While these ideas seem viable, it certainly doesn't help in my mind. It just means to me that BioWare explained even less and that the "endings" aren't even that. So we purchased an incomplete game, and literally to finish it we're probably going to have to pay for DLC.

No, no thanks. There have been some business moves that BioWare have done before that have put them on the border of being unfriendly towards their consumers, but this would blatantly push it over the edge. I can pseudo-rationalize things like From Ashes - I can't rationalize literally having to pay to see the real ending of a game. So I really, really hope this isn't the case, even if it would make the ludicrous endings we have more bearable and logical.

Modifié par Lumenadducere, 11 mars 2012 - 12:03 .

[FugitiveMind]

Beast919 wrote...

Neverwinter_Knight77 wrote...

You know, something else doesn't add up... Everybody knows that a direct hit from a reaper would have instantly vaporized anybody. Even Shepard. And Anderson isn't even wearing armor. If it isn't a direct hit, then... I still don't understand.

But anyway... When Shepard got knocked out and they said that the whole team got wiped out, I figured the whole thing from that point on was a dream, and Shepard was going to wake up. No way in hell that one laser would be wide enough to kill the whole team. But I was wrong. The ending... is really depressing, in my opinion. I played the hell out of singleplayer, but Shep and Anderson both still died, and that smug catalyst bastard got his wish fulfilled... I feel like I'm being trolled by Bioware.

I'm fairly certain we can imagine Shepard did not take it directly to the face.  I was told, in quite clear terms, that that doesn't end well during my stay on Rannoch.  Repeatedly.  And I don't think you have to assume the one laser blast killed everyone, Harbinger was flinging em all sorts of places.  I do think its also relatively unbelievable that the humans only had about 15 people to fling at the Catalyst though.  Seems unlikely.

Nope, he was limping...he used to be saving the universe, then he took a laser to the knee

Sorry, had to be done... again...

[Kitten Tactics]

And when Shepard turns back, the boy is gone. Nobody sees the boy but Shepard, and even then, he vanishes once Shepard is snapped out of it by Anderson.

[Beast919]

Kitten Tactics wrote...

And when Shepard turns back, the boy is gone. Nobody sees the boy but Shepard, and even then, he vanishes once Shepard is snapped out of it by Anderson.

I dunno.  I don't think I could be on board for a theorey like this if we're saying its long-term indoctrination.  From everything I remember about indoc, it requires some sort of nearby physical presence.  It *could* be the cerberus implants, I suppose, but short of that......I don't buy it.  I think Shep just witnesses a brutal, brutal act and can't cope with it.  Or at least, has trouble coping with it.

[Kitten Tactics]

Shepard has been around reapers themselves, reaper technology like Husks, and reaper artifacts like in Arrival. When Shepard begins to see the boy, there are actual reapers a few hundred yards away.

[Ice Cold J]

EmCeeMendez wrote...

Once Harbinger lands, the dream begins. 

I honestly thought I hadn't collected enough war resources, because during the final mission half of "Hammer" had been destroyed, and the Reaper Destroyer was terrorizing my allies with cutscenes. I figured I'd just not done enough, therefore Harbinger had been able to land and seal the deal. Reload earlier save, be a completionist, then try again later you loser.

Once I woke up with charred armor and a thousand yard stare, I knew bad things were going to happen.

This...

I was wondering how much I had to bring.... the game made it sound like you had to have 7000 Preparedness to guarantee victory and I "only" had a little over 5000.

When Harbinger hit me and I saw him looking/walking past me, I figured it was all over.

Then, well, cue up your post.

[Odd Bet]

Beast919 wrote...

Odd Bet wrote...

Kitten Tactics wrote...

Did I remember it wrong? Anderson never acknowledges the boy in the beginning of the game? I do remember nobody helping him on to the escape shuttle, which I found odd. So the boy could be part of the reaper's control over Shepard....huh.

You're not wrong. I always thought that was weird. Wondered what Anderson thought Shepard was doing.

"Silly Shepard, talking to air ducts again."

Anderson is exploring the path behind the door, he probably figured Shep was exploring elsewhere, I dunno, didn't seem that weird.  Probably didn't even hear Shepard talking, and he calls to him from the other room.

Anderson walks back into the room to get Shepard, and finds him crouched down reaching into the air duct. Were I in Anderson's shoes, I'd probably want to know what Shepard was doing. Mind you, I don't think the kid was anything but a kid, just thought the scenario was kinda funny.

[Neverwinter_Knight77]

Another thing: They said that your entire team had been killed by the reaper... but your squadmate appears on another planet at the end?

[withinthelight]

Kitten Tactics wrote...

And when Shepard turns back, the boy is gone. Nobody sees the boy but Shepard, and even then, he vanishes once Shepard is snapped out of it by Anderson.

Yeah, I got a Sixth Sense kind of vibe there. Personally I don't really think this was their idea. Though if I recall, the codex entry for indoctrination mentions hearing voices and seeing ghostly images among its symptoms. I did also find it interesting that in each dream sequence the whispering voices grew clearer and more frequent and that more and more strange ghostly figures began appearing.

[crimsontotem]

When you chose red ending, Shepard all the sudden gets the second wind and start shooting like a non-injured soldier....

I thought this was pretty weird... maybe he's waking up?

[byne]

Kitten Tactics wrote...

And when Shepard turns back, the boy is gone. Nobody sees the boy but Shepard, and even then, he vanishes once Shepard is snapped out of it by Anderson.

I remember when the demo came out people were wondering if the boy was a hallucination too, since no one else interacts with him, but I think someone said at one point somewhere in the background you can see him being chased by husks.

Not sure if thats actually true or not though. Might check later

[AlCord]

Sadly I have to admit that I do not believe in a hallucination anymore.

Let's assume there would be an ending DLC:

The hallucination thing would work well with only one ending and only when Shepard survives (EMS must be over 4000) the blast!

But what's with the other endings? It just doesn't work with them. There cannot be a "game over" popup or something like that. That would be a slap into people faces who have chosen the middle and left - and not enough EMS.

So there has to be another conclusion.

[Neverwinter_Knight77]

It's like the writing was really good, all game long... until the last part on Earth. Then it all turned to hell.

[byne]

DerNix wrote...

Sadly I have to admit that I do not believe in a hallucination anymore.

Let's assume there would be an ending DLC:

The hallucination thing would work well with only one ending and only when Shepard survives (EMS must be over 4000) the blast!

But what's with the other endings? It just doesn't work with them. There cannot be a "game over" popup or something like that. That would be a slap into people faces who have chosen the middle and left - and not enough EMS.

So there has to be another conclusion.

The other two endings could be failure endings like Shepard dying on the Suicide Mission was. Not having enough EMS to live through the Destroy ending would be just like not having enough loyal squadmates and ship upgrades to survive the Suicide Mission

[Neverwinter_Knight77]

DerNix wrote...

Sadly I have to admit that I do not believe in a hallucination anymore.

Let's assume there would be an ending DLC:

The hallucination thing would work well with only one ending and only when Shepard survives (EMS must be over 4000) the blast!

But what's with the other endings? It just doesn't work with them. There cannot be a "game over" popup or something like that. That would be a slap into people faces who have chosen the middle and left - and not enough EMS.

So there has to be another conclusion.

No, the reason why a lot of people are talking about the hallucination thing is because the whole thing where the catalyst says "Make a choice and change the galaxy forever" is extremely far-fetched.  Especially when Shepard goes along with it!

Modifié par Neverwinter_Knight77, 11 mars 2012 - 12:20 .

[Kitten Tactics]

DerNix wrote...

Sadly I have to admit that I do not believe in a hallucination anymore.

Let's assume there would be an ending DLC:

The hallucination thing would work well with only one ending and only when Shepard survives (EMS must be over 4000) the blast!

But what's with the other endings? It just doesn't work with them. There cannot be a "game over" popup or something like that. That would be a slap into people faces who have chosen the middle and left - and not enough EMS.

So there has to be another conclusion.

The other two endings are giving in to indoctrination.  Shepard only wakes up if you do what you set out to do...destroy the reapers.  In Shepard's mind, this is just breaking their hold.  Controlling the reapers is impossible, they control you.  Synthesis allows reaper code to be inserted into organics, the control everyone.  Destroy is the only good option, but is presented to you as the bad option by the reapers.  It makes perfect sense.

[mupp3tz]

...aaand, choosing either of the "bad" options could easily be amended by someone saying "SHEPARD, WAKE UP!" Followed by a scene of Shepard realizing how he had momentarily given up and finding his resolve again.