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[UKillMeLongTime]

Action Bawstard wrote...

I have searched for this answer though this thread, but cannot seem to find one. Sorry if this was already answered. But when the Normandy lands on Planet X (whatever it is), besides Joker coming out, do the teammates you selected for the final battle abort the Normandy as well? From the videos I have seen, I always see Tali and Garrus. But is it because always brings them?

on the red option i had ash and javik and i took liara and ash on the last mission so wtf is the dlc guy doing there and i have no idea what happened to tali/garrus/etc ?

they can't leave this so unended 

[thatfilmgirl]

Didn't see this on the main post yet...

Just got done replaying the Citadel part. Surely I wasn't the only one hearing the sounds of gunfire throughout the entire thing, was I?

[LolaLei]

Miss Vader wrote...

Nette wrote...

Just noticed something about Sheps dreams don't know if it's been said before....there are no oily shaddows or whispers in her first dream, just the kid. And in the last one they almost cover the whole forest....maybe something that supports this theory of indoctrination...

Good catch! Could be that later on you are becoming even more indoctrinated- hence more black oily shadows

Also, those black oily shadows look an awful lot like the black oily effect that happens during the final scene with The Illusive Man.

[rogueagent6]

Fledgey wrote...

rogueagent6 wrote...

Luc0s wrote...

blooregard wrote...

even if the codes are changed I'm pretty sure the reaper IFF is a physical object you found on the derelict reaper and its probably the only thing on the normandy that could be capible of indoctronation

An IFF is not a physical object, it's only software.

So yeah, no.

So why did you have to go retreive it from dead Reaper in ME2? I'm pretty sure it was a physical piece of hardware.

You get it off of a human terminal because a previous team had already recovered it. Right?

Yes, they had already located and extracted it before becomming indoctrinated.

[Tiberius Gracchus]

LenabotSE wrote...

I always found it suspect that, on the Cerberus base, they make a point about going on about EDI's creation and Shepard's rebirth at the same time. But without giving too much away.

Shepard is said to be absolutely brain dead, but the precise method of his/her restoration is never disclosed (unless I missed something huge). All it boiled down to was the Illusive Man insisting that Miranda and the team would find a way.

At the same time, you learn that EDI was an existing (but broken) AI that's been fixed and enhanced using Reaper tech.

Shepard questions whether she/he is just an advanced AI that's meant to think like the real Shepard, at which point your team reassures you, but the writers make an almost deliberate point not to state if EDI's rebirth mirrors Shepard's -- using Reaper tech to restore an enhance the original being.

Maybe cut dialogue, maybe didn't have time to write an explanation, or maybe something deliberately left up to the player.

Also I played through with Ash and she constantly is questioning you on if you are REALLY still you she insists on it multipule times.

[FrostByte-GER]

Turtlicious wrote...

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17 Anderson is clearly killed by the laser.
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what the ****? Proof? Why do you think so?

[thePredator50]

Any new twitter updates guys? This thread is moving so fast...

[krystalevenstar]

Again 2:23 - 2:25 when the line 'You have hope, more than you think' is said, it's very easy to hear femshep is the one saying 'think'

[BlackDragonBane]

rogueagent6 wrote...

Luc0s wrote...

blooregard wrote...

even if the codes are changed I'm pretty sure the reaper IFF is a physical object you found on the derelict reaper and its probably the only thing on the normandy that could be capible of indoctronation

An IFF is not a physical object, it's only software.

So yeah, no.

So why did you have to go retreive it from dead Reaper in ME2? I'm pretty sure it was a physical piece of hardware.

I'm pretty sure the Reaper IFF is a physical object as well.

*forgive if the link is broken,  my BBC coding sucks. this is taken from the ME Wiki
(http://images2.wikia...-Reaper_IFF.png) - incase the image doesn't show.

Also, the indoctrination signal would be part of the software coding. I'm not sure if anyone noticed this but the Geth were 'rewritten' to believe the Reapers were correct and slaves to the Reapers are indoctrinated to serve and believe the reapers are correct.

Anyone noticing a correlation that the indoctrination has two forms? The Geth never once ever respond about hearing the sound the Reapers emit like organics, yet we know the Geth can percieve audio data.

Modifié par BlackDragonBane, 13 mars 2012 - 12:26 .

[ArkkAngel007]

Luc0s wrote...

AM94 wrote...

Idk if anyone has said this but Shepard looks to turn into a Reaper both through the Synthesis and Control options and not through the Destroy option.

He doesn't look like he's turning into a Reaper, he's just burning to ashes in the Control and Synthesis ending, but not in the Destroy ending, which is why Destroy is the only ending where Shepard can actually live.

Pay attention to the eyes and clavicle/rib regions.  You'll see it.

[balance5050]

The image of them getting out of the ship is just what Shepard/Catalyst/Harbinger wants you to see, he wants to see his friends be happy and make a new life for themselves, If it were real your LI would have shown at least a small indication of mourning.

[Dougremer]

SomeoneStoleMyName wrote...

What I dont get is why people are angry. Because if we were indeed fooled, and it was all an indoctrination - then considering all the hints, I feel we got fooled in a good way.

Predictability sucks. If I genuinely got fooled (I choose synthesis) then I'm extatic about it. Just knowing that "trick" wasnt the real ending is more than good enough.

And who the F**** cares if they add the rest later?

They couldve made a boring memorable ending that was great. With ruined endings for some due to leaked endings and footage.

or...

They could pull of the most genius trick ever, not only in providing a false ending. But have this false ending being an actual part of the lore (Indoctrination) fool everyone, and make it the greates ending of all time - and sure as hell unique and memorable. And most of all unpredictable.

Ive said it before, this will either prove to be the worst or the best ending ever. And if it really is the indoctrination theory, then who the frack cares if they add it later through DLC aslong as it doesent cost money. Hell, even if it DOES cost money... it would still be worth it by far.

If it turns out the last part is indoctrination, and the ending really is still to come. Would you really want to go back and change it to "Boring predictable endfight with harbinger and dance around with your crew in celebration"?

I for once find this mindf**** extremely satisfying.

Agree with you here on some parts. I love the trick, if it is. It's amazing. I was fooled, I didn't know that I choosed controlling the reapers, but I followed the color and was tricked by that. So yeah, now that I know that Destroy will give me another ending that supports this theory just makes it AMAZING. It's so great! It's brilliant and clever in everyway.

BUT! A big but here. The game is also about choice (and as someone else said survival) and I think there should be an option where you defeat the Reapers and everyone is happy.

[cyric085]

Purplesun wrote...

I also noticed a few things at the part where the Normandy landed on a planet. First of all they were in dead space. There was nothing near by. I don't see any possible way for them to land safely on a planet. Even then, none of them seem sad or depressed about anything. They just have straight faces and everything. Even if you romanced Ashley (like I did) she showed no emotion that they are stranded and that shepard is dead/not with her.

thats because it is what shepard wishes to his/her crew, its all in his/her head.

think your Li/ or liara is talking about it, the normandy stranded on a planet.

[Sl4sh3r]

Food for thought:

Bioware has seen how fast this has escalated and still stays silent because they don't want to release spoilers... To risk this much to avoid spoilers... I say that's only partly true. I 100% believe they have something huge in store....

[DarkFire77777]

Dessalines wrote...

DarkFire77777 wrote...

Guys, I'm on my second playthrough, and I noticed an email that comes through named "ANN Alert: New Article on "Indoctrination"" Among other things, one paragraph talks about the indoctrinated Asari and says the following:

Prior to her death, investigators said Thanoptis spoke of voices in her head, which they believed to be indicative of her indoctrination. The voices foretold the ascension of the asari -- and told Thanoptis that anyone fighting the Reapers "needed to die".

Now, I could be wrong, but didn't the god-child say that in the synthesis ending that all organics would "ascend" to the height of evolution??

Just a thought. ; )

I did not get this during my first playthrough. I wonder how far are you in the game? Did anyone else get this message?

I got this right after the Surkesh mission.

[ceruleancrescent]

blooregard wrote...

Malanek999 wrote...

Miss Vader wrote...

Im just curious about if there is some sort of Reaper tech on board Normandy that is indoctrinating Shep-- shouldn't the other characters become indoctrinated as well/

You can explain this easily by Sheps implants.

the reaper IFF may still be on the normandy I never liked the thought of reaper tech on my ship (with the exception of EDI) maybe the IFF is releasing some faint indoctronation signal and james is the only one who's picking it up? 

The reaper IFF is indeed still on the normandy, EDI says she calibrated it to exactly match reaper code if you talk to her at a certain point.

[Miss Vader]

PDesign wrote...

krystalevenstar wrote...

Again 2:23 - 2:25 when the line 'You have hope, more than you think' is said, it's very easy to hear femshep is the one saying 'think'

Extracted

dl.dropbox.com/u/26913187/end003_catalyst_m_D_Int.033.ogg

SWEET!! thanks!!!

[Arathius82]

The ending sucked so bad it's not to be believed. I really hope some free DLC comes down the pike because Bioware absolutely mailed in that ending. How do you have such a well written and fleshed out story end like that? It was like there was a writer's strike and they let someone's 6 year old write that.

[Fattness132]

PDesign wrote...

krystalevenstar wrote...

Again 2:23 - 2:25 when the line 'You have hope, more than you think' is said, it's very easy to hear femshep is the one saying 'think'

Extracted

dl.dropbox.com/u/26913187/end003_catalyst_m_D_Int.033.ogg

WOW....that is so obviously male and female shep - could sort of hear it before but now that is just unquestionable. NICE WORK!

[Sl4sh3r]

PDesign wrote...

krystalevenstar wrote...

Again 2:23 - 2:25 when the line 'You have hope, more than you think' is said, it's very easy to hear femshep is the one saying 'think'

Extracted

dl.dropbox.com/u/26913187/end003_catalyst_m_D_Int.033.ogg

OMG Hallucination/Indoctrination...

Holy ****

MIND ****

[Lugaidster]

Yo guys, I was listening to the talk with the catalyst and I realized this. We all focused a lot on the fact that the destroy option is just "silly" according to GC. However, did anyone really listen to what he says about the others? Here's a transcript (made by me ):

GC: Or do you think you can control us?
Shep: So TIM was right after all...?
GC: Yes, but he could never have taken control, because we already controlled him.
Shep: But I can?
GC: You will die, you will control us, but you will lose everything you have.
Shep: But the reapers will obey me?
GC: Yes, but there's another solution.
Shep: Yeah?
GC: Synthesis
Shep: And that is?
GC: Add your energy to the crucible's. Everything you are will absorbed and then sent out. The chain reaction will combine all synthetic and organic life into a new framework. A new DNA.
Shep: I don't know...
GC: Why not? Synthetics are already part of you. Can you imagine your life without them?
Shep: And there will be peace?
GC: The cycle will end. Synthesis is the final evolution of life, but we need each other to make it happen. You have a difficult decision. Releasing the energy of the crucible will end the cycle, but the mass relays will be destroyed. The paths are open, but you have to choose.

No please focus on the fact that almost everything good about those decisions are assumed by shep, but never actually stated by GC. Will there be peace? Deflect the answer. On the control option you will control him, but GC didn't tell for how long (look at it this way, if I can control you while I'm alive but by trying to control you I will die, I can "technically" control you). Aside from the fact that synthesis appears to be "the best choice" but no assurance of victory is given. Be honest, would you take such an important decision by questioning them with such simple queries?

To me it's clear that GC is being deceitful. Any comments?

[lil_89]

TcomJ wrote...

I know how bad and disappointing it is, but don't run away from the fact that it is a bad writing.

It's like you read Harry Potter, 7 of them, and then JK Rolling tells you at the end of the last paragraph that this is all just a dream LOL

No, it is actually like Voldemort was in Harry's mind, and made him believe Sirius was in danger to lure him to the ministry of magic, so yeah, J.K Rowling totally used the same effect to create a twist, and it was awesome. Check your facts before comparing

[krystalevenstar]

PDesign wrote...

krystalevenstar wrote...

Again 2:23 - 2:25 when the line 'You have hope, more than you think' is said, it's very easy to hear femshep is the one saying 'think'

Extracted

dl.dropbox.com/u/26913187/end003_catalyst_m_D_Int.033.ogg

Fantastic, thanks!

[thePredator50]

krystalevenstar wrote...

Again 2:23 - 2:25 when the line 'You have hope, more than you think' is said, it's very easy to hear femshep is the one saying 'think'

Woa