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[balance5050]

waldstr18 wrote...

@balance

i have to admit, i wondered if you were still scheming. im amazed that you still are. in the time i spend here posting i couldnt do much else, except watch reruns of the mentalist - great show by the way. but now that i have a clean bill of health i really cant understand why anyone would still be in here. its just a game afterall. but i guess you guys have another set of priorities.

You're here and you can't see why anyone would be here? DOES NOT COMPUTE.

[HyperGlass]

EMS = How much Shepard is confident that they won't screw up?
It's just that with low EMS you get 1 option control/destroy (depending on the Collector base) and it has no wake up scene = indoctrinated.
Basicly you need to get 5000 EMS and be aware of the game to live (pick Destroy).
Anything below 4000 means that no matter what Shep is indoctrinated
Those are the settings for someone wanting to believe in the IT. Good day.

[Jadebaby]

Salient Archer wrote...

Eloquent? maybe! But not eloquently enough; as I should have mentioned that once the pieces of the IT started sliding into place I looking back on when I felt more emotional (rather than rational) about the ending that I did feel like I was now one with Shepard and was actually feeling what he's been going through.

But as you said about being able to express the true feelings of Shepard, I too believe that because of the nature of indoctrinated being what it is, My Shep couldn't act out on screen what I felt as the player, which now reminds me of what Matriarch Benezia said about creating a safe haven in her mind, but because of it she was disconnected from her actions and had to effectively watch herself perform vile atrocities but at the cost of having no power to stop it.

But as we know, Shepard's will power and resolve is stronger...

So I guess what I mean is that in the eyes of the fans who don't believe in IT BioWare has made a terrible ending, but in the eyes of those who believe in IT, BioWare have made the deepest ending in gaming history ... just too deep for some (until the EC that is)

Beautifully said.  the important thing to remember is even if they didn't plan it, they would be crazy not to adopt it, IDT really is the only way out of the nightmare that is the ending.

[waldstr18]

HellishFiend wrote...

Salient Archer wrote...


So I guess what I mean is that in the eyes of the fans who don't believe in IT BioWare has made a terrible ending, but in the eyes of those who believe in IT, BioWare have made the deepest ending in gaming history ... just too deep for some (until the EC that is)

Someone said a while back that this thread is Bioware's crown achievement, or something like that. I kind of agree with that, as its great that they put enough clues in there to piece together and figure it out. But I'd say that both sides of the coin are equally victories for Bioware. Because their intent is ostensibly to attempt to indoctrinate the player, in that regard, the topics that say things like "Synthesis is just beautiful" are just as much an accomplishment for Bioware as this one. 

actually. talking about indoctrinating the player. most mass effect players are like me. 2 month later and they dont care. so the whole indoctrination effect is lost on them. if they had really planned all that, they should have released the dlc maybe 2 weeks later, not in summer. who cares if it was indoctrination in summer? except for this thread of course.

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

My brother is at the ending now, knows nothing of this thread or its ideas. I am smiling evily as I wait for his choice.

[balance5050]

HyperGlass wrote...

EMS = How much Shepard is confident that they won't screw up?
It's just that with low EMS you get 1 option control/destroy (depending on the Collector base) and it has no wake up scene = indoctrinated.
Basicly you need to get 5000 EMS and be aware of the game to live (pick Destroy).
Anything below 4000 means that no matter what Shep is indoctrinated
Those are the settings for someone wanting to believe in the IT. Good day.

Wrong, it just means you have a tiny army and the reapers killed you.

[estebanus]

waldstr18 wrote...

@jade 8 8 888 8baby

he calls me stupid and im stirring people? again; interesting.

You know, the most sad people are those who solely use the internet to do nothing else but insult people and calling others stupid.

I hvae to say, YOU are one of those.

What is it that is so enjoyable about insulting us, Waldstr? Are you doing it for your own personal amusement? Are you doing it because this is the only place where you can say what you want, and not expect any repercussions for it?

That is sad. Very sad.

[DirtyPhoenix]

Saying shadow-broker ship parts were reverse-engineered from the citadel is too far-fetched IMO.

[waldstr18]

balance5050 wrote...

waldstr18 wrote...

@balance

i have to admit, i wondered if you were still scheming. im amazed that you still are. in the time i spend here posting i couldnt do much else, except watch reruns of the mentalist - great show by the way. but now that i have a clean bill of health i really cant understand why anyone would still be in here. its just a game afterall. but i guess you guys have another set of priorities.

You're here and you can't see why anyone would be here? DOES NOT COMPUTE.

most of you are still here. im just dropped in after i was gone for 2 weeks i think. i wouldnt even have posted if some guy didnt specificly call for me.

[EpyonX3]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...


Reverse Engineering. Everywhere we see Eezo, drivecores and mass effect fields, we see these tubes and cables. Even the connectors that the tubes go into resemble the ones in the decision chamber.

You might be missing the point a bit. The point is that in an attempt to reinforce the belief that all elements from the post-Harbinger's beam sequence are created from elements in Shepard's memory, we look to find (or not find) things from previous areas of the game that match up with elements from the ending. 

But how reliable is that when we see things like this everywhere and we know that all of it came from reveresed engineered tech from the Citadel?

All I know is it had those same shockwave wall thing that the shadow broker had on his ship during LotSB. Now when you examine them during LotSB Liara states that they are to conduct the surrounding lightning, preventing it from doing damage to the ship and also to provide them a source of electricity. So why would the ciitadel need some such construct?

Here's another issue I have with what you said, but I'll get to that later.

To address your question, how do we know for sure that that tech wasn't observed on the citadel and repurposed slighlty to fit the goals of the shadow broker base? Reverse engineering has that effect, where the end result is similar to the original, but has a twist to fit the needs of the current user. Not to mention that the panels on the ship are squarer and much smaller than the ones on the Citadel.

We see why it would be needed on the Citadel. If Shepard and Anderson's assumption are correct, then the Citadel is a giant reaper factory. It would make sense that these panels are there to transfer large amounts of energy to and from the processing hallways.

Now the second problem I have is this. What happens if a player never played the shadow broker DLC? Or the Arrival?

This means that Shepard never came in contact with the panels or Object Rho. Yet these two things are used in the theory regardless.

[HellishFiend]

waldstr18 wrote...

actually. talking about indoctrinating the player. most mass effect players are like me. 2 month later and they dont care. so the whole indoctrination effect is lost on them. if they had really planned all that, they should have released the dlc maybe 2 weeks later, not in summer. who cares if it was indoctrination in summer? except for this thread of course.

You're kind of answering your own question, in a way. If they dont care, they dont care. End of story. 

Modifié par HellishFiend, 11 mai 2012 - 02:14 .

[Jadebaby]

balance5050 wrote...

waldstr18 wrote...

@balance

i have to admit, i wondered if you were still scheming. im amazed that you still are. in the time i spend here posting i couldnt do much else, except watch reruns of the mentalist - great show by the way. but now that i have a clean bill of health i really cant understand why anyone would still be in here. its just a game afterall. but i guess you guys have another set of priorities.

You're here and you can't see why anyone would be here? DOES NOT COMPUTE.

HAHAHA... Contradiction probability..... Problematic.....

Furthermore, it's funny how trolls like that ignore people's posts once they start to hit home.

You could say that trolls are like skipping stones.. They have to keep moving from person to person, trolling. Spend too much time on one person and you will surely sink.

[HyperGlass]

Unless Bioware came up with something better which is doubtful. EC is meant to collect major decisions across the three games and project them into a suitable epulogue. 2 major factors = Shep is/isn't indoctrinated and it plays from there me thinks.

[waldstr18]

estebanus wrote...

waldstr18 wrote...

@jade 8 8 888 8baby

he calls me stupid and im stirring people? again; interesting.

You know, the most sad people are those who solely use the internet to do nothing else but insult people and calling others stupid.

I hvae to say, YOU are one of those.

What is it that is so enjoyable about insulting us, Waldstr? Are you doing it for your own personal amusement? Are you doing it because this is the only place where you can say what you want, and not expect any repercussions for it?

That is sad. Very sad.

cant you read? he called me stupid. i dont call people names. well, not yet anyway. i will call you all stupid, once its proven im right. if not, i would invite you to do the same, but some of you have already taken that liberty themselves.

[balance5050]

waldstr18 wrote...

most of you are still here. im just dropped in after i was gone for 2 weeks i think. i wouldnt even have posted if some guy didnt specificly call for me.

LOL! So what you're saying is you actually have been on here, waiting patiently everyday until someone happens to say your name? I'm sorry dude but THAT is sad.

[EpyonX3]

pirate1802 wrote...

Saying shadow-broker ship parts were reverse-engineered from the citadel is too far-fetched IMO.

They don't look the same, are much smaller but do something similar. Sounds reverse engineered to me. Especially when the whole galaxy is using reverse engineered reaper tech. It's a goal of the reapers for organics to do this.

Modifié par EpyonX3, 11 mai 2012 - 02:16 .

[HyperGlass]

balance5050 wrote...

HyperGlass wrote...

EMS = How much Shepard is confident that they won't screw up?
It's just that with low EMS you get 1 option control/destroy (depending on the Collector base) and it has no wake up scene = indoctrinated.
Basicly you need to get 5000 EMS and be aware of the game to live (pick Destroy).
Anything below 4000 means that no matter what Shep is indoctrinated
Those are the settings for someone wanting to believe in the IT. Good day.

Wrong, it just means you have a tiny army and the reapers killed you.

Wrong, it just means that certian degrees of magic will not be available to you and the fairy apparantly doesn't say "Wake up".

[estebanus]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

waldstr18 wrote...

@balance

i have to admit, i wondered if you were still scheming. im amazed that you still are. in the time i spend here posting i couldnt do much else, except watch reruns of the mentalist - great show by the way. but now that i have a clean bill of health i really cant understand why anyone would still be in here. its just a game afterall. but i guess you guys have another set of priorities.

You're here and you can't see why anyone would be here? DOES NOT COMPUTE.

HAHAHA... Contradiction probability..... Problematic.....

Furthermore, it's funny how trolls like that ignore people's posts once they start to hit home.

You could say that trolls are like skipping stones.. They have to keep moving from person to person, trolling. Spend too much time on one person and you will surely sink.

Hmmm... reminds me of a certain creationist douchebag I've been arguing with on Youtube...

[Meatus]

Has anyone heard any news about a more specific release date for the DLC? Something more specific than just "summer", anyway? I wish the Bioware camp weren't so eerily silent.

The major VAs only started recording this week; how long does it normally take to release a game after recording is complete?

[EpyonX3]

Meatus wrote...

Has anyone heard any news about a more specific release date for the DLC? Something more specific than just "summer", anyway? I wish the Bioware camp weren't so eerily silent.

The major VAs only started recording this week; how long does it normally take to release a game after recording is complete?

I'm confident that we'll get a release date before the end of this month.

[waldstr18]

HellishFiend wrote...

waldstr18 wrote...

actually. talking about indoctrinating the player. most mass effect players are like me. 2 month later and they dont care. so the whole indoctrination effect is lost on them. if they had really planned all that, they should have released the dlc maybe 2 weeks later, not in summer. who cares if it was indoctrination in summer? except for this thread of course.

You're kind of answering your own question, in a way. If they dont care, they dont care. End of story. 

but then the ending would still be not so good. and the ones not caring, would always remember the illogical ending (as some of you say) and wont bother trusting bioware again. and i dont think bioware would want that, since it wants players to remember their games fondly.

[HyperGlass]

Meatus wrote...

Has anyone heard any news about a more specific release date for the DLC? Something more specific than just "summer", anyway? I wish the Bioware camp weren't so eerily silent.

The major VAs only started recording this week; how long does it normally take to release a game after recording is complete?

No but I would like to assume that the EC comes out mid-late August. They've haven't released much on the matter as they want the content to "speak for itself".

[Jadebaby]

EpyonX3 wrote...


Here's another issue I have with what you said, but I'll get to that later.

To address your question, how do we know for sure that that tech wasn't observed on the citadel and repurposed slighlty to fit the goals of the shadow broker base? Reverse engineering has that effect, where the end result is similar to the original, but has a twist to fit the needs of the current user. Not to mention that the panels on the ship are squarer and much smaller than the ones on the Citadel.

Because no one had ever set foot in that area of the citadel before, from what I recall.

We see why it would be needed on the Citadel. If Shepard and Anderson's assumption are correct, then the Citadel is a giant reaper factory. It would make sense that these panels are there to transfer large amounts of energy to and from the processing hallways.

This is a fair assumption. But why would we need to know that? They must have put them there for a reason right?

Now the second problem I have is this. What happens if a player never played the shadow broker DLC? Or the Arrival?

Then they would obviously miss the clue, but as Salient Archer stated, this game can be seen in two different lights depending on how much of a ME fan you are.

This means that Shepard never came in contact with the panels or Object Rho. Yet these two things are used in the theory regardless.

Object Rho obviously being the contested point of indoctrination for Shepard, could easily be solved by a simple line of dialogue, if the flag isn't checked that the player completed Arrival then the dialogue gets switched to "contact with the Human Reaper."

[lex0r11]

waldstr18 wrote...

@balance

i have to admit, i
wondered if you were still scheming. im amazed that you still are. in
the time i spend here posting i couldnt do much else, except watch
reruns of the mentalist - great show by the way. but now that i have a
clean bill of health i really cant understand why anyone would still be
in here. its just a game afterall. but i guess you guys have another set
of priorities.

Making fun of people being in a forum by posting and being in a forum.

classic, used very often in here.

waldstr18 wrote...

actually. talking about indoctrinating the player. most mass effect players are like me. 2 month later and they dont care. so the whole indoctrination effect is lost on them. if they had really planned all that, they should have released the dlc maybe 2 weeks later, not in summer. who cares if it was indoctrination in summer? except for this thread of course.

You don't care about this? Did you get lost on the way to somewhere else? You still seem to care enough to be here and telling us how we care too much.

You are not here to contribute, please just go where you said you wanted to go INSTEAD of being here. You seem to like it very much outside of this thread.


The irony is FCKING killing me.

Modifié par lex0r11, 11 mai 2012 - 02:22 .

[waldstr18]

balance5050 wrote...

waldstr18 wrote...

most of you are still here. im just dropped in after i was gone for 2 weeks i think. i wouldnt even have posted if some guy didnt specificly call for me.

LOL! So what you're saying is you actually have been on here, waiting patiently everyday until someone happens to say your name? I'm sorry dude but THAT is sad.

even though you might not believe it. oh, actually, no problem to disprove. the w-a-l-d.. post was 2 hours before i posted. it was just freak luck on my part to come in and see it. and of course i couldnt resist posting.