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[balance5050]

EpyonX3 wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...


Reverse Engineering. Everywhere we see Eezo, drivecores and mass effect fields, we see these tubes and cables. Even the connectors that the tubes go into resemble the ones in the decision chamber.

You might be missing the point a bit. The point is that in an attempt to reinforce the belief that all elements from the post-Harbinger's beam sequence are created from elements in Shepard's memory, we look to find (or not find) things from previous areas of the game that match up with elements from the ending. 

But how reliable is that when we see things like this everywhere and we know that all of it came from reveresed engineered tech from the Citadel?

All I know is it had those same shockwave wall thing that the shadow broker had on his ship during LotSB. Now when you examine them during LotSB Liara states that they are to conduct the surrounding lightning, preventing it from doing damage to the ship and also to provide them a source of electricity. So why would the ciitadel need some such construct?

Here's another issue I have with what you said, but I'll get to that later.

To address your question, how do we know for sure that that tech wasn't observed on the citadel and repurposed slighlty to fit the goals of the shadow broker base? Reverse engineering has that effect, where the end result is similar to the original, but has a twist to fit the needs of the current user. Not to mention that the panels on the ship are squarer and much smaller than the ones on the Citadel.

We see why it would be needed on the Citadel. If Shepard and Anderson's assumption are correct, then the Citadel is a giant reaper factory. It would make sense that these panels are there to transfer large amounts of energy to and from the processing hallways.

Now the second problem I have is this. What happens if a player never played the shadow broker DLC? Or the Arrival?

This means that Shepard never came in contact with the panels or Object Rho. Yet these two things are used in the theory regardless.

No one has been to that part of the citadel rememer? That engine was unique to the Shadow Broker ship for a specific reason, which is excplicitly explained in the DLC.

We need to stop using the "what if the player didn't do the DLC" card. Bioware assumes the DLC as canon.

[estebanus]

waldstr18 wrote...

estebanus wrote...

waldstr18 wrote...

@jade 8 8 888 8baby

he calls me stupid and im stirring people? again; interesting.

You know, the most sad people are those who solely use the internet to do nothing else but insult people and calling others stupid.

I hvae to say, YOU are one of those.

What is it that is so enjoyable about insulting us, Waldstr? Are you doing it for your own personal amusement? Are you doing it because this is the only place where you can say what you want, and not expect any repercussions for it?

That is sad. Very sad.

cant you read? he called me stupid. i dont call people names. well, not yet anyway. i will call you all stupid, once its proven im right. if not, i would invite you to do the same, but some of you have already taken that liberty themselves.

I won't call you stupid, and believe me, I never will. However, you do, and you saying that we are all stupid if the IT is proven wrong just proves my point. You feel a sense of superiority, because you think you're right. Are you 100% sure of that?

How are we stupid? If anything, what we have done with this theory is borderline brilliant, not stupid. We were able to make sense of an ending, where no such thing existed. This theory isn't stupid, nor are alll the people who made it what it is.
If anything, if IT is proven to be wrong, our only fault would have to be our optimism and devotion to Bioware.
Optimism and devotion does NOT equal stupidity. However, believing that it does equals stupidity by a larger margin than you would think...

[waldstr18]

lex0r11 wrote...

waldstr18 wrote...

@balance

i have to admit, i
wondered if you were still scheming. im amazed that you still are. in
the time i spend here posting i couldnt do much else, except watch
reruns of the mentalist - great show by the way. but now that i have a
clean bill of health i really cant understand why anyone would still be
in here. its just a game afterall. but i guess you guys have another set
of priorities.

Making fun of people being in a forum by posting and being in a forum.

classic, used very often in here.

waldstr18 wrote...

actually. talking about indoctrinating the player. most mass effect players are like me. 2 month later and they dont care. so the whole indoctrination effect is lost on them. if they had really planned all that, they should have released the dlc maybe 2 weeks later, not in summer. who cares if it was indoctrination in summer? except for this thread of course.

You don't care about this? Did you get lost on the way to somewhere else? You still seem to care enough to be here and telling us how we care too much.

You are not here to contribute, please just go where you said you wanted to go INSTEAD of being here. You seem to like it very much outside of this thread.


The irony is FCKING killing me.

people talk to me, i respond. its the polite thing to do.

[balance5050]

waldstr18 wrote...

but then the ending would still be not so good. and the ones not caring, would always remember the illogical ending (as some of you say) and wont bother trusting bioware again. and i dont think bioware would want that, since it wants players to remember their games fondly.

You said "as some of you say" when referring to the illogical ending. Does that mean you think the ending is logical?

[estebanus]

waldstr18 wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

waldstr18 wrote...

@balance

i have to admit, i
wondered if you were still scheming. im amazed that you still are. in
the time i spend here posting i couldnt do much else, except watch
reruns of the mentalist - great show by the way. but now that i have a
clean bill of health i really cant understand why anyone would still be
in here. its just a game afterall. but i guess you guys have another set
of priorities.

Making fun of people being in a forum by posting and being in a forum.

classic, used very often in here.

waldstr18 wrote...

actually. talking about indoctrinating the player. most mass effect players are like me. 2 month later and they dont care. so the whole indoctrination effect is lost on them. if they had really planned all that, they should have released the dlc maybe 2 weeks later, not in summer. who cares if it was indoctrination in summer? except for this thread of course.

You don't care about this? Did you get lost on the way to somewhere else? You still seem to care enough to be here and telling us how we care too much.

You are not here to contribute, please just go where you said you wanted to go INSTEAD of being here. You seem to like it very much outside of this thread.


The irony is FCKING killing me.

people talk to me, i respond. its the polite thing to do.

If that were  the case, then you would respond to everyone, not just a select few.

[Salient Archer]

EpyonX3 wrote...

Salient Archer wrote...

 
Supernovas
produces the same destructive power of 10^162 Gigaton of TNT
They full strength of the blast has a range of 10au depending on the size of the sun, but the remnant shockwave and radiation has a travel distance of around 50au with dissipating intensity over distance.

The Sol System Relay
For Relay orbiting distance the Sol Relay was approximately sitting 39au from our star.

The Mu Relay
It was estimated that the Mu Relay was much closer to the star that went supernova (possibly as close at 13au based on in-game start charts) but just to be lenient lets say it was still 39au from the blast center.

Due to It’s distance from the blast center it was hit with approximately only 10 Gigaton of TNT and as a result was not damaged but was flung out of it’s orbit. Although it could have been as high as 10^6 Gigaton.

The Citadel
As stated in Mass Effect Revelation The Citadel is made from the same materials as the Mass Relays. The presidium and each arm also contains pods that produce mass effect fields the protect the wards by keeping the outer skin separate from the rest of the structures, which protects it from intense external damage. It stands to reason the Citadel (with it’s arms closed) could also sustain external hits of a Gigaton or greater.

In essence; the Citadel would have to incur a massive internalized explosion, where it is most vulnerable. To be lenient lets place the explosion at no greater than 1 Gigaton (although could be as great as 10 Gigaton).

The Human Body
At 537 degrees celsius (1000 Fahrenheit) the human skin catches fire.
At 982 degrees celsius (1800 Fahrenheit) human bones can turn to ash
The blast that would have destroyed the Citadel would have produced temperatures in excess of 8,000,000 degrees celsius (14,400,032 Fahrenheit) vaporizing anyone inside the blast zone.

So what am I trying to say, well....
*Snip*

That's a fair assesment. Can you try calculating the effects of reentering a planet's atmosphere and imacting the ground wearing just a space suit?

Also, knowing how difficult it is for sarcasm to be confused on forums in general, let me be clear and say that this is a serious question and no offense or sarcasm was intended.

Well, if the Citadel was parked about 238,855 miles (384,000km) from Earth (using the moons orbital distance as a frame of reference) it would take Shepard at least 13+ hours to reach earths outer atmosphere if he was able to propel himself at a direct vector and at the safe orbital re-entry speed of 17,500 mph (28,163 kph). This could become problematic without an envirosuit as the human respiratory system can only last up to 90 seconds within a vacuum.

Now assuming he can survive temps of up to 11,726 degrees Celsius (21,138 fahrenheit) during the re-entry period his next obstacle would be the 200 mile drop to the ground, during this stage he should reach his max terminal velocity speed of 125mph (200kph) once he enters atmo, making his fall last around around 1.6 hours before he comes to a perfect, gentle stop conveniently in the rubble of london.

[Jadebaby]

Meatus wrote...

Has anyone heard any news about a more specific release date for the DLC? Something more specific than just "summer", anyway? I wish the Bioware camp weren't so eerily silent.

The major VAs only started recording this week; how long does it normally take to release a game after recording is complete?

I would be happy to wait until December so long as it provides quality and quantity.

[HellishFiend]

waldstr18 wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

waldstr18 wrote...

actually. talking about indoctrinating the player. most mass effect players are like me. 2 month later and they dont care. so the whole indoctrination effect is lost on them. if they had really planned all that, they should have released the dlc maybe 2 weeks later, not in summer. who cares if it was indoctrination in summer? except for this thread of course.

You're kind of answering your own question, in a way. If they dont care, they dont care. End of story. 

but then the ending would still be not so good. and the ones not caring, would always remember the illogical ending (as some of you say) and wont bother trusting bioware again. and i dont think bioware would want that, since it wants players to remember their games fondly.

[HyperGlass]

Can I assume everyone heard ringing after being hit by Harbinger's beam? I just want to know if I'm not the one only hearing that.
Also why would Shepard's mind interpertate Harby leaving even if being indoctrinated? I still don't get it.

[waldstr18]

estebanus wrote...

waldstr18 wrote...

estebanus wrote...

waldstr18 wrote...

@jade 8 8 888 8baby

he calls me stupid and im stirring people? again; interesting.

You know, the most sad people are those who solely use the internet to do nothing else but insult people and calling others stupid.

I hvae to say, YOU are one of those.

What is it that is so enjoyable about insulting us, Waldstr? Are you doing it for your own personal amusement? Are you doing it because this is the only place where you can say what you want, and not expect any repercussions for it?

That is sad. Very sad.

cant you read? he called me stupid. i dont call people names. well, not yet anyway. i will call you all stupid, once its proven im right. if not, i would invite you to do the same, but some of you have already taken that liberty themselves.

I won't call you stupid, and believe me, I never will. However, you do, and you saying that we are all stupid if the IT is proven wrong just proves my point. You feel a sense of superiority, because you think you're right. Are you 100% sure of that?

How are we stupid? If anything, what we have done with this theory is borderline brilliant, not stupid. We were able to make sense of an ending, where no such thing existed. This theory isn't stupid, nor are alll the people who made it what it is.
If anything, if IT is proven to be wrong, our only fault would have to be our optimism and devotion to Bioware.
Optimism and devotion does NOT equal stupidity. However, believing that it does equals stupidity by a larger margin than you would think...

like i said up there "if not" as in if im not right. could very well be, even though its highly unlikely. so to answer your question: im not a 100% sure. ive actually bet a lot on it, so i really hope im right.

you call it boarderline brilliant, i call it pretentious and offensive to bioware. but those are just my thoughts and i have explained them a few times already.

in the beginning i thought of the idt as a good idea as well, but the more information i gathered the less sense it made to me. so again, respect to those making it up, but its time to let go now. holding on to it, thats what i find stupid about it.

[Jadebaby]

wanna take this time to say hi to a few friendly faces,

Lex0r11, Big G13, Balance5050 and Arian Dynas,

You guys are keeping this thread alive, much respect! =)

[waldstr18]

estebanus wrote...

If that were  the case, then you would respond to everyone, not just a select few.

i responed to those who talk to me. not everyone does, if you havent noticed.

[balance5050]

HyperGlass wrote...

Can I assume everyone heard ringing after being hit by Harbinger's beam? I just want to know if I'm not the one only hearing that.
Also why would Shepard's mind interpertate Harby leaving even if being indoctrinated? I still don't get it.

That ringing you here is the same noise from your dreams just with a different pitch.

Why would he hallucinate Coats saying no one made when clearly both Shep and anderson made it? Why would coats say "fall back to the building" when we just got through the "no going back" speech. It's all there to set you up be confused so you make the wrong call at the "end".

Modifié par balance5050, 11 mai 2012 - 02:32 .

[balance5050]

waldstr18 wrote...

but then the ending would still be not so good. and the ones not caring, would always remember the illogical ending (as some of you say) and wont bother trusting bioware again. and i dont think bioware would want that, since it wants players to remember their games fondly.

You said "as some of you say" when referring to the illogical ending. Does that mean you think the ending is logical?

[Jadebaby]

waldstr18 wrote...

like i said up there "if not" as in if im not right. could very well be, even though its highly unlikely. so to answer your question: im not a 100% sure. ive actually bet a lot on it, so i really hope im right.

you call it boarderline brilliant, i call it pretentious and offensive to bioware. but those are just my thoughts and i have explained them a few times already.

in the beginning i thought of the idt as a good idea as well, but the more information i gathered the less sense it made to me. so again, respect to those making it up, but its time to let go now. holding on to it, thats what i find stupid about it.

You realise you just called us all stupid? Despite you yourself, saying you wont premmaturely call people such names?

You might think the theory is offensive to Bioware, but what do you think they think of you? Renegading your way through the IDT thread putting down passionate Mass Effect fans for their interpretation of the ending.. Shame on you! Bioware wanted the ending to create speculation. If they are at all offended by the uprising that is IDT, then they only have themselves to blame!

"Shun the non-believer!"

[HellishFiend]

balance5050 wrote...

HyperGlass wrote...

Can I assume everyone heard ringing after being hit by Harbinger's beam? I just want to know if I'm not the one only hearing that.
Also why would Shepard's mind interpertate Harby leaving even if being indoctrinated? I still don't get it.

That ringing you here is the same noise from your dreams just with a different pitch.

Why would he hallucinate Coats saying no one made when clearly both Shep and anderson made it? Why would coats say "fall back to the building" when we just got through the "no going back" speech. It's all there to set you up be confused so you make the wrong call at the "end".

I thought the common belief was that the Coates lines actually happened, and that Shepard was hearing them in a semi-conscious state?

edit: well, not really semi-conscious, but more like the last bits of reality he experiences before getting more fully enveloped in the hallucination. 

Modifié par HellishFiend, 11 mai 2012 - 02:36 .

[Jadebaby]

waldstr18 wrote...

estebanus wrote...

If that were  the case, then you would respond to everyone, not just a select few.

i responed to those who talk to me. not everyone does, if you havent noticed.

Lies, just two pages ago I addressed you with a response, I still haven't received one yet.

[DJBare]

Anderson: woah, the walls, they are shifting changing.
Moments later Shepard sees these walls move as s/he approaches them.

This one keeps bugging, I keep getting the feeling there is a clue in those walls, specifically in the pattern.
Btw, if that were the walls Anderson spoke of, then he definitely took the same route as Shepard, again, how was Anderson ahead of Shepard when he specifically states "I followed you up"

[waldstr18]

balance5050 wrote...

waldstr18 wrote...

but then the ending would still be not so good. and the ones not caring, would always remember the illogical ending (as some of you say) and wont bother trusting bioware again. and i dont think bioware would want that, since it wants players to remember their games fondly.

You said "as some of you say" when referring to the illogical ending. Does that mean you think the ending is logical?

we had this discussing already. i do. you dont like the green ending and shepard surviving withouth shields and armor, but i have no problem accepting either one of them. especially the green space magic. no problem at all. (helps that i almost failed physics. most of the things out there are like magic to me amyhow. but its a wonderful way of life. i find pleasure in the little things.)

[waldstr18]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

waldstr18 wrote...

estebanus wrote...

If that were  the case, then you would respond to everyone, not just a select few.

i responed to those who talk to me. not everyone does, if you havent noticed.

Lies, just two pages ago I addressed you with a response, I still haven't received one yet.

im terribly sorry. please post again, i must have missed it.

[Big G13]

Salient Archer wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Salient Archer wrote...

 
Supernovas
produces the same destructive power of 10^162 Gigaton of TNT
They full strength of the blast has a range of 10au depending on the size of the sun, but the remnant shockwave and radiation has a travel distance of around 50au with dissipating intensity over distance.

The Sol System Relay
For Relay orbiting distance the Sol Relay was approximately sitting 39au from our star.

The Mu Relay
It was estimated that the Mu Relay was much closer to the star that went supernova (possibly as close at 13au based on in-game start charts) but just to be lenient lets say it was still 39au from the blast center.

Due to It’s distance from the blast center it was hit with approximately only 10 Gigaton of TNT and as a result was not damaged but was flung out of it’s orbit. Although it could have been as high as 10^6 Gigaton.

The Citadel
As stated in Mass Effect Revelation The Citadel is made from the same materials as the Mass Relays. The presidium and each arm also contains pods that produce mass effect fields the protect the wards by keeping the outer skin separate from the rest of the structures, which protects it from intense external damage. It stands to reason the Citadel (with it’s arms closed) could also sustain external hits of a Gigaton or greater.

In essence; the Citadel would have to incur a massive internalized explosion, where it is most vulnerable. To be lenient lets place the explosion at no greater than 1 Gigaton (although could be as great as 10 Gigaton).

The Human Body
At 537 degrees celsius (1000 Fahrenheit) the human skin catches fire.
At 982 degrees celsius (1800 Fahrenheit) human bones can turn to ash
The blast that would have destroyed the Citadel would have produced temperatures in excess of 8,000,000 degrees celsius (14,400,032 Fahrenheit) vaporizing anyone inside the blast zone.

So what am I trying to say, well....
*Snip*

That's a fair assesment. Can you try calculating the effects of reentering a planet's atmosphere and imacting the ground wearing just a space suit?

Also, knowing how difficult it is for sarcasm to be confused on forums in general, let me be clear and say that this is a serious question and no offense or sarcasm was intended.

Well, if the Citadel was parked about 238,855 miles (384,000km) from Earth (using the moons orbital distance as a frame of reference) it would take Shepard at least 13+ hours to reach earths outer atmosphere if he was able to propel himself at a direct vector and at the safe orbital re-entry speed of 17,500 mph (28,163 kph). This could become problematic without an envirosuit as the human respiratory system can only last up to 90 seconds within a vacuum.

Now assuming he can survive temps of up to 11,726 degrees Celsius (21,138 fahrenheit) during the re-entry period his next obstacle would be the 200 mile drop to the ground, during this stage he should reach his max terminal velocity speed of 125mph (200kph) once he enters atmo, making his fall last around around 1.6 hours before he comes to a perfect, gentle stop conveniently in the rubble of london.

Intelligent people are so f***in' cool.

[balance5050]

HellishFiend wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

HyperGlass wrote...

Can I assume everyone heard ringing after being hit by Harbinger's beam? I just want to know if I'm not the one only hearing that.
Also why would Shepard's mind interpertate Harby leaving even if being indoctrinated? I still don't get it.

That ringing you here is the same noise from your dreams just with a different pitch.

Why would he hallucinate Coats saying no one made when clearly both Shep and anderson made it? Why would coats say "fall back to the building" when we just got through the "no going back" speech. It's all there to set you up be confused so you make the wrong call at the "end".

I thought the common belief was that the Coates lines actually happened, and that Shepard was hearing them in a semi-conscious state?

edit: well, not really semi-conscious, but more like the last bits of reality he experiences before getting more fully enveloped in the hallucination. 

Well if he DID say that then Coats is a traitor more or less right? I'm just saying that Harby leaving isn't the only discrepancy.

[Big G13]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

wanna take this time to say hi to a few friendly faces,

Lex0r11, Big G13, Balance5050 and Arian Dynas,

You guys are keeping this thread alive, much respect! =)

We miss you.:happy:

[Jadebaby]

HyperGlass wrote...

Can I assume everyone heard ringing after being hit by Harbinger's beam? I just want to know if I'm not the one only hearing that.
Also why would Shepard's mind interpertate Harby leaving even if being indoctrinated? I still don't get it.

Yes, that ringing is there.

Also, Harby would be seen leaving so Shepard thinks she/he is safe and secure.

Or maybe it's the indoctrination trying to persuade Shepard's sub-conscious that her/his "body" is safe on Earth....

Or is that too deep?

[HyperGlass]

balance5050 wrote...


That ringing you here is the same noise from your dreams just with a different pitch.

Why would he hallucinate Coats saying no one made when clearly both Shep and anderson made it? Why would coats say "fall back to the building" when we just got through the "no going back" speech. It's all there to set you up be confused so you make the wrong call at the "end".

I figured Coats's dialogue happened just before Shepard slided into the dream which would make sence since Shepard is lying in rubble and everyone has fallen back. Just becasue there is "no going back" doesn't mean you can't retreat and if they haven't  made any more attempts to reach the plot device then I assume Harby's still guarding it (and that the vague light hints it's still on). Meaning it makes no sence for Shepard's mind to interpertate this. Even so why not just send in reinforcements now that Harbinger is gone?