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[estebanus]

waldstr18 wrote...

estebanus wrote...

waldstr18 wrote...

estebanus wrote...

waldstr18 wrote...

@jade 8 8 888 8baby

he calls me stupid and im stirring people? again; interesting.

You know, the most sad people are those who solely use the internet to do nothing else but insult people and calling others stupid.

I hvae to say, YOU are one of those.

What is it that is so enjoyable about insulting us, Waldstr? Are you doing it for your own personal amusement? Are you doing it because this is the only place where you can say what you want, and not expect any repercussions for it?

That is sad. Very sad.

cant you read? he called me stupid. i dont call people names. well, not yet anyway. i will call you all stupid, once its proven im right. if not, i would invite you to do the same, but some of you have already taken that liberty themselves.

I won't call you stupid, and believe me, I never will. However, you do, and you saying that we are all stupid if the IT is proven wrong just proves my point. You feel a sense of superiority, because you think you're right. Are you 100% sure of that?

How are we stupid? If anything, what we have done with this theory is borderline brilliant, not stupid. We were able to make sense of an ending, where no such thing existed. This theory isn't stupid, nor are alll the people who made it what it is.
If anything, if IT is proven to be wrong, our only fault would have to be our optimism and devotion to Bioware.
Optimism and devotion does NOT equal stupidity. However, believing that it does equals stupidity by a larger margin than you would think...

like i said up there "if not" as in if im not right. could very well be, even though its highly unlikely. so to answer your question: im not a 100% sure. ive actually bet a lot on it, so i really hope im right.

you call it boarderline brilliant, i call it pretentious and offensive to bioware. but those are just my thoughts and i have explained them a few times already.

in the beginning i thought of the idt as a good idea as well, but the more information i gathered the less sense it made to me. so again, respect to those making it up, but its time to let go now. holding on to it, thats what i find stupid about it.

This "I thought IT was a good idea before I looked at the facts" is used by a lot of people who haven't even looked at it in the least. Also, this is the first time you ever said you thought the IT was a good idea at first, but then "abandoned ship" later on. The only things I've seen you post is that we're stupid for believing it, never bringing up a good argument for why, and I doubt you ever will.

You call the IT pretentious and offensive to Bioware, while it would actually give them a lot of credit for making an almost ingenious plot twist that would never have been done in a video game before. Also, how is the idea pretentious? Do you even know what that word means? Oh, and we've given a lot of reasons for why the IT is brilliant, but somehow our reasons are less sound than yours? How does that make sense?

At least you're not 100% sure that the theory is false, but perhaps you should word your posts that way, by using "if" more than "when" or "once."

I disagree with your opinion, good sir, but I will defend your right to say it until death.

[waldstr18]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

waldstr18 wrote...

like i said up there "if not" as in if im not right. could very well be, even though its highly unlikely. so to answer your question: im not a 100% sure. ive actually bet a lot on it, so i really hope im right.

you call it boarderline brilliant, i call it pretentious and offensive to bioware. but those are just my thoughts and i have explained them a few times already.

in the beginning i thought of the idt as a good idea as well, but the more information i gathered the less sense it made to me. so again, respect to those making it up, but its time to let go now. holding on to it, thats what i find stupid about it.

You realise you just called us all stupid? Despite you yourself, saying you wont premmaturely call people such names?

You might think the theory is offensive to Bioware, but what do you think they think of you? Renegading your way through the IDT thread putting down passionate Mass Effect fans for their interpretation of the ending.. Shame on you! Bioware wanted the ending to create speculation. If they are at all offended by the uprising that is IDT, then they only have themselves to blame!

"Shun the non-believer!"

im walking a fine line here of not calling you stupid (yet) but calling the thing you do stupid. i think there is a difference. its not all forrest gump; stupid is, who stupid does. many of the things i do i consider stupid, but that doesnt mean i consider myself as stupid.

[balance5050]

waldstr18 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Does that mean you think the ending is logical?

we had this discussing already. i do. you dont like the green ending and shepard surviving withouth shields and armor, but i have no problem accepting either one of them. especially the green space magic. no problem at all. (helps that i almost failed physics. most of the things out there are like magic to me amyhow. but its a wonderful way of life. i find pleasure in the little things.)

I have made my point then, good day to you sir.

[Fingertrip]

Would you happen to be an INTJ? You sound like an INTJ. I'm an INTJ as well. In fact, IT is a very INTJ type of thing, really, since INTJs are very analytical, logical, and hyper-aware of details. We make the best scientists.

You're way off-track. Besides, I don't think you would self-proclaim yourself to be something, that's something for other people to judge or come to verdict with. Gnyyhhrrharr.

[balance5050]

HyperGlass wrote...

balance5050 wrote...


That ringing you here is the same noise from your dreams just with a different pitch.

Why would he hallucinate Coats saying no one made when clearly both Shep and anderson made it? Why would coats say "fall back to the building" when we just got through the "no going back" speech. It's all there to set you up be confused so you make the wrong call at the "end".

I figured Coats's dialogue happened just before Shepard slided into the dream which would make sence since Shepard is lying in rubble and everyone has fallen back. Just becasue there is "no going back" doesn't mean you can't retreat and if they haven't  made any more attempts to reach the plot device then I assume Harby's still guarding it (and that the vague light hints it's still on). Meaning it makes no sence for Shepard's mind to interpertate this. Even so why not just send in reinforcements now that Harbinger is gone?

The point of the run was for someone, ANYONE to just make it to the conduit, falling back makes no sense at that point. It was all or nothing.

[estebanus]

waldstr18 wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

waldstr18 wrote...

like i said up there "if not" as in if im not right. could very well be, even though its highly unlikely. so to answer your question: im not a 100% sure. ive actually bet a lot on it, so i really hope im right.

you call it boarderline brilliant, i call it pretentious and offensive to bioware. but those are just my thoughts and i have explained them a few times already.

in the beginning i thought of the idt as a good idea as well, but the more information i gathered the less sense it made to me. so again, respect to those making it up, but its time to let go now. holding on to it, thats what i find stupid about it.

You realise you just called us all stupid? Despite you yourself, saying you wont premmaturely call people such names?

You might think the theory is offensive to Bioware, but what do you think they think of you? Renegading your way through the IDT thread putting down passionate Mass Effect fans for their interpretation of the ending.. Shame on you! Bioware wanted the ending to create speculation. If they are at all offended by the uprising that is IDT, then they only have themselves to blame!

"Shun the non-believer!"

im walking a fine line here of not calling you stupid (yet) but calling the thing you do stupid. i think there is a difference. its not all forrest gump; stupid is, who stupid does. many of the things i do i consider stupid, but that doesnt mean i consider myself as stupid.

Uhm... If a lot of the things you do are stupid, doesn't that say something?

[Jadebaby]

DJBare wrote...

Anderson: woah, the walls, they are shifting changing.
Moments later Shepard sees these walls move as s/he approaches them.

This one keeps bugging, I keep getting the feeling there is a clue in those walls, specifically in the pattern.
Btw, if that were the walls Anderson spoke of, then he definitely took the same route as Shepard, again, how was Anderson ahead of Shepard when he specifically states "I followed you up"

Yes! That line from Anderson was the VERY first sign that led me to believe in IDT.

ALSO, if you have studied that wall then I also assume you have studied the rest of the area. It is literally impossible for Anderson to have taken a different route, there is only one walkway leading into the control room and the control room itself is surrounded by walls full of electricity. there is no getting in there ANY other way. Period. Anderson can't really be there.

[waldstr18]

@estebanus

ive talked about my reasons long enough. wait for spotlessvoid, he will collect all my posts and write a chronic or something.

and i said a few times i respect the original idt creators for finding all the clues. i could have never done that. but no matter how many clues they find, its still a game.

and marketing wise it would be suicide to sell an unfinished game for full price in the current dlc climate. (unfortunetely not my words. some one else posted that a while back. paraphrasing of course.)

[Tirian Thorn]

Good morning everyone. 
 
Now that I’ve accomplished all the work that I absolutely had to get done today, it’s time to chill out here – post and read – and work on a few side projects at the office.   I love my job. All that matters is that my work gets done. 

Although, I think I need to teach another Excel class around here. The monkeys have been asking me far too many questions lately that I’ve already answered before. 

I’m amazed that someone could put on their resume that they are highly proficient with Excel, yet not know how to autosum… 

I’m not expecting everyone to know how to use Vlookup and use macros, but wow… 

[ArthurVon]

I try to give a sense even to real life, that doesn't mean it has one.

Btw, even with indoctrination theory, why would the reapers, or the catalyst or whatever, let a badly injured Shepard, their number one enemy destroy them?! In a dream with infinite ammo? NONSENSE!

Modifié par ArthurVon, 11 mai 2012 - 02:50 .

[waldstr18]

estebanus wrote...

Uhm... If a lot of the things you do are stupid, doesn't that say something?

the fact that i know they are stupid does. (i hope my grammar works correctly here. with "they" i mean the stupid things i do.)

[lex0r11]

waldstr18 wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

waldstr18 wrote...

@balance

i have to admit, i
wondered if you were still scheming. im amazed that you still are. in
the time i spend here posting i couldnt do much else, except watch
reruns of the mentalist - great show by the way. but now that i have a
clean bill of health i really cant understand why anyone would still be
in here. its just a game afterall. but i guess you guys have another set
of priorities.

Making fun of people being in a forum by posting and being in a forum.

classic, used very often in here.

waldstr18 wrote...

actually. talking about indoctrinating the player. most mass effect players are like me. 2 month later and they dont care. so the whole indoctrination effect is lost on them. if they had really planned all that, they should have released the dlc maybe 2 weeks later, not in summer. who cares if it was indoctrination in summer? except for this thread of course.

You don't care about this? Did you get lost on the way to somewhere else? You still seem to care enough to be here and telling us how we care too much.

You are not here to contribute, please just go where you said you wanted to go INSTEAD of being here. You seem to like it very much outside of this thread.


The irony is FCKING killing me.

people talk to me, i respond. its the polite thing to do.

You must have the word "contradiction" written on your forehead.

Stop saying you don't care. Stop saying you have better things to do than posting some one liner in this thread.  Stop hiding behind your false sense of politeness. Stop claiming that you don't insult people. Still denying it?


i really cant understand why anyone would still be in here. its just a game afterall. but i guess you guys have another set of priorities.

waldstr18 wrote...

im walking a fine line here of not
calling you stupid (yet) but calling the thing you do stupid. i think
there is a difference. its not all forrest gump; stupid is, who stupid
does. many of the things i do i consider stupid, but that doesnt mean i
consider myself as stupid.

Such nonsense.

Everyone knows what you want to say. The essence of those statements is a personal attack against the people and the ideas in this thread, both are connected. Stop saying you get insulted first.

Stop claiming that this thread is a waste of time when you come here on a regular basis to say it every time.

Stop, just stop.

Jade8aby88 wrote...

waldstr18 wrote...

estebanus wrote...

If that were  the case, then you would respond to everyone, not just a select few.

i responed to those who talk to me. not everyone does, if you havent noticed.

Lies, just two pages ago I addressed you with a response, I still haven't received one yet.

That's what he always does. Ignoring unpleasant questions. He avoided our last "confrontation" for pages.

[Jadebaby]

estebanus wrote...

Uhm... If a lot of the things you do are stupid, doesn't that say something?

At least he can admit it I s'pose.

Oh and...

waldstr18 wrote...

im terribly sorry. please post again, i must have missed it.

Just lol.

[balance5050]

Guys, we really don't need to bother, just read what he wrote and you'll see why anything Wald says is dead on arrival.

waldstr18 wrote...

we had this discussing already. i do. you dont like the green ending and shepard surviving withouth shields and armor, but i have no problem accepting either one of them. especially the green space magic. no problem at all. (helps that i almost failed physics. most of the things out there are like magic to me amyhow. but its a wonderful way of life. i find pleasure in the little things.)

[HyperGlass]

By the way what happened to TIM if the IT turns out correct because we never did see him directly.

[Salient Archer]

Big G13 wrote...

Salient Archer wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Salient Archer wrote...

 
Supernovas
produces the same destructive power of 10^162 Gigaton of TNT
They full strength of the blast has a range of 10au depending on the size of the sun, but the remnant shockwave and radiation has a travel distance of around 50au with dissipating intensity over distance.

The Sol System Relay
For Relay orbiting distance the Sol Relay was approximately sitting 39au from our star.

The Mu Relay
It was estimated that the Mu Relay was much closer to the star that went supernova (possibly as close at 13au based on in-game start charts) but just to be lenient lets say it was still 39au from the blast center.

Due to It’s distance from the blast center it was hit with approximately only 10 Gigaton of TNT and as a result was not damaged but was flung out of it’s orbit. Although it could have been as high as 10^6 Gigaton.

The Citadel
As stated in Mass Effect Revelation The Citadel is made from the same materials as the Mass Relays. The presidium and each arm also contains pods that produce mass effect fields the protect the wards by keeping the outer skin separate from the rest of the structures, which protects it from intense external damage. It stands to reason the Citadel (with it’s arms closed) could also sustain external hits of a Gigaton or greater.

In essence; the Citadel would have to incur a massive internalized explosion, where it is most vulnerable. To be lenient lets place the explosion at no greater than 1 Gigaton (although could be as great as 10 Gigaton).

The Human Body
At 537 degrees celsius (1000 Fahrenheit) the human skin catches fire.
At 982 degrees celsius (1800 Fahrenheit) human bones can turn to ash
The blast that would have destroyed the Citadel would have produced temperatures in excess of 8,000,000 degrees celsius (14,400,032 Fahrenheit) vaporizing anyone inside the blast zone.

So what am I trying to say, well....
*Snip*

That's a fair assesment. Can you try calculating the effects of reentering a planet's atmosphere and imacting the ground wearing just a space suit?

Also, knowing how difficult it is for sarcasm to be confused on forums in general, let me be clear and say that this is a serious question and no offense or sarcasm was intended.

Well, if the Citadel was parked about 238,855 miles (384,000km) from Earth (using the moons orbital distance as a frame of reference) it would take Shepard at least 13+ hours to reach earths outer atmosphere if he was able to propel himself at a direct vector and at the safe orbital re-entry speed of 17,500 mph (28,163 kph). This could become problematic without an envirosuit as the human respiratory system can only last up to 90 seconds within a vacuum.

Now assuming he can survive temps of up to 11,726 degrees Celsius (21,138 fahrenheit) during the re-entry period his next obstacle would be the 200 mile drop to the ground, during this stage he should reach his max terminal velocity speed of 125mph (200kph) once he enters atmo, making his fall last around around 1.6 hours before he comes to a perfect, gentle stop conveniently in the rubble of london.

Intelligent people are so f***in' cool.

My mum thinks so too :happy:

[estebanus]

ArthurVon wrote...

I try to give a sense even to real life, that doesn't mean it has one.

The difference between fact and fiction is that fiction has to make sense.

[EpyonX3]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...


Here's another issue I have with what you said, but I'll get to that later.

To address your question, how do we know for sure that that tech wasn't observed on the citadel and repurposed slighlty to fit the goals of the shadow broker base? Reverse engineering has that effect, where the end result is similar to the original, but has a twist to fit the needs of the current user. Not to mention that the panels on the ship are squarer and much smaller than the ones on the Citadel.

Because no one had ever set foot in that area of the citadel before, from what I recall.

We see why it would be needed on the Citadel. If Shepard and Anderson's assumption are correct, then the Citadel is a giant reaper factory. It would make sense that these panels are there to transfer large amounts of energy to and from the processing hallways.

This is a fair assumption. But why would we need to know that? They must have put them there for a reason right?

Now the second problem I have is this. What happens if a player never played the shadow broker DLC? Or the Arrival?

Then they would obviously miss the clue, but as Salient Archer stated, this game can be seen in two different lights depending on how much of a ME fan you are.

This means that Shepard never came in contact with the panels or Object Rho. Yet these two things are used in the theory regardless.

Object Rho obviously being the contested point of indoctrination for Shepard, could easily be solved by a simple line of dialogue, if the flag isn't checked that the player completed Arrival then the dialogue gets switched to "contact with the Human Reaper."

1) But we're talking about the Shadow Broker. The one person that's not TIM that knows pretty much everything about anything. I'm sure he would have known about the panels.

2) I'm not sure what you're trying to say but here's my answer to what I think you're saying. They added that to give to reason to sending up humans to the citadel, dead or alive. What else could they be doing up there besids turning only a few of them into husks?

3) I may need to look into that for some clarification

4) The thing that makes Object Rho special to the theory is that Shepard is the only surviving member on that station who had cotact with it. None of his crew did. However, at least two others were with Shepard fighting the human reaper and two others were with him on the Derelict reaper.

How come his crew haven't been going through the same processes? Indoctrination hasn't been selective in its targets.

[waldstr18]

@jade888bay

i really did. post again, i promise i will respond.

@lex0r

i like you, too. but please keep your posts shorter or at least the stuff one is supposed to read at the end. thanks.

[SS2Dante]

Right got pc version and downloaded a random save cos I'm lazy. Synthesis enabled and whddya know? It's got the extra line about how destroy will destroy most of our technology. Since that's also appeared in clips where sythesis is NOT an option, and not in my high EMS playthough, it must either pop up in a narrow band of EMS or be influenced by other factors. Experiment time!

Modifié par SS2Dante, 11 mai 2012 - 02:51 .

[estebanus]

Big G13 wrote...

Salient Archer wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Salient Archer wrote...

 
Supernovas
produces the same destructive power of 10^162 Gigaton of TNT
They full strength of the blast has a range of 10au depending on the size of the sun, but the remnant shockwave and radiation has a travel distance of around 50au with dissipating intensity over distance.

The Sol System Relay
For Relay orbiting distance the Sol Relay was approximately sitting 39au from our star.

The Mu Relay
It was estimated that the Mu Relay was much closer to the star that went supernova (possibly as close at 13au based on in-game start charts) but just to be lenient lets say it was still 39au from the blast center.

Due to It’s distance from the blast center it was hit with approximately only 10 Gigaton of TNT and as a result was not damaged but was flung out of it’s orbit. Although it could have been as high as 10^6 Gigaton.

The Citadel
As stated in Mass Effect Revelation The Citadel is made from the same materials as the Mass Relays. The presidium and each arm also contains pods that produce mass effect fields the protect the wards by keeping the outer skin separate from the rest of the structures, which protects it from intense external damage. It stands to reason the Citadel (with it’s arms closed) could also sustain external hits of a Gigaton or greater.

In essence; the Citadel would have to incur a massive internalized explosion, where it is most vulnerable. To be lenient lets place the explosion at no greater than 1 Gigaton (although could be as great as 10 Gigaton).

The Human Body
At 537 degrees celsius (1000 Fahrenheit) the human skin catches fire.
At 982 degrees celsius (1800 Fahrenheit) human bones can turn to ash
The blast that would have destroyed the Citadel would have produced temperatures in excess of 8,000,000 degrees celsius (14,400,032 Fahrenheit) vaporizing anyone inside the blast zone.

So what am I trying to say, well....
*Snip*

That's a fair assesment. Can you try calculating the effects of reentering a planet's atmosphere and imacting the ground wearing just a space suit?

Also, knowing how difficult it is for sarcasm to be confused on forums in general, let me be clear and say that this is a serious question and no offense or sarcasm was intended.

Well, if the Citadel was parked about 238,855 miles (384,000km) from Earth (using the moons orbital distance as a frame of reference) it would take Shepard at least 13+ hours to reach earths outer atmosphere if he was able to propel himself at a direct vector and at the safe orbital re-entry speed of 17,500 mph (28,163 kph). This could become problematic without an envirosuit as the human respiratory system can only last up to 90 seconds within a vacuum.

Now assuming he can survive temps of up to 11,726 degrees Celsius (21,138 fahrenheit) during the re-entry period his next obstacle would be the 200 mile drop to the ground, during this stage he should reach his max terminal velocity speed of 125mph (200kph) once he enters atmo, making his fall last around around 1.6 hours before he comes to a perfect, gentle stop conveniently in the rubble of london.

Intelligent people are so f***in' cool.

I wish more of my classmates would think the same way you do!

[SS2Dante]

And lol how did we take so long to confirm the trees in the crucible reflection? Clear as day on the pc

[SS2Dante]

HyperGlass wrote...

By the way what happened to TIM if the IT turns out correct because we never did see him directly.

No idea. Either dead when the Citadel was siezed (unlikely) or simply a plot thread to be addressed in the EC (very likely)

[ArthurVon]

estebanus wrote...

ArthurVon wrote...

I try to give a sense even to real life, that doesn't mean it has one.

The difference between fact and fiction is that fiction has to make sense.

Right one, in Mass Effect 3, end HAS NO SENSE, even if you try to find other theories about the end, indoctrination, magic, Shepard smoking ganja, NOTHING, every theory has question's points, and will they clear those with DLCs? Ahahaha, yeah wait for my money.

[EpyonX3]

Salient Archer wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Salient Archer wrote...

 
Supernovas
produces the same destructive power of 10^162 Gigaton of TNT
They full strength of the blast has a range of 10au depending on the size of the sun, but the remnant shockwave and radiation has a travel distance of around 50au with dissipating intensity over distance.

The Sol System Relay
For Relay orbiting distance the Sol Relay was approximately sitting 39au from our star.

The Mu Relay
It was estimated that the Mu Relay was much closer to the star that went supernova (possibly as close at 13au based on in-game start charts) but just to be lenient lets say it was still 39au from the blast center.

Due to It’s distance from the blast center it was hit with approximately only 10 Gigaton of TNT and as a result was not damaged but was flung out of it’s orbit. Although it could have been as high as 10^6 Gigaton.

The Citadel
As stated in Mass Effect Revelation The Citadel is made from the same materials as the Mass Relays. The presidium and each arm also contains pods that produce mass effect fields the protect the wards by keeping the outer skin separate from the rest of the structures, which protects it from intense external damage. It stands to reason the Citadel (with it’s arms closed) could also sustain external hits of a Gigaton or greater.

In essence; the Citadel would have to incur a massive internalized explosion, where it is most vulnerable. To be lenient lets place the explosion at no greater than 1 Gigaton (although could be as great as 10 Gigaton).

The Human Body
At 537 degrees celsius (1000 Fahrenheit) the human skin catches fire.
At 982 degrees celsius (1800 Fahrenheit) human bones can turn to ash
The blast that would have destroyed the Citadel would have produced temperatures in excess of 8,000,000 degrees celsius (14,400,032 Fahrenheit) vaporizing anyone inside the blast zone.

So what am I trying to say, well....
*Snip*

That's a fair assesment. Can you try calculating the effects of reentering a planet's atmosphere and imacting the ground wearing just a space suit?

Also, knowing how difficult it is for sarcasm to be confused on forums in general, let me be clear and say that this is a serious question and no offense or sarcasm was intended.

Well, if the Citadel was parked about 238,855 miles (384,000km) from Earth (using the moons orbital distance as a frame of reference) it would take Shepard at least 13+ hours to reach earths outer atmosphere if he was able to propel himself at a direct vector and at the safe orbital re-entry speed of 17,500 mph (28,163 kph). This could become problematic without an envirosuit as the human respiratory system can only last up to 90 seconds within a vacuum.

Now assuming he can survive temps of up to 11,726 degrees Celsius (21,138 fahrenheit) during the re-entry period his next obstacle would be the 200 mile drop to the ground, during this stage he should reach his max terminal velocity speed of 125mph (200kph) once he enters atmo, making his fall last around around 1.6 hours before he comes to a perfect, gentle stop conveniently in the rubble of london.

Sorry. I was referring to Mass Effect 2, when shepard fell from the Normandy to the surface but was in tact enough to be rebuilt.