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[Jadebaby]

lex0r11 wrote...

waldstr18 wrote...

im walking a fine line here of not
calling you stupid (yet) but calling the thing you do stupid. i think
there is a difference. its not all forrest gump; stupid is, who stupid
does. many of the things i do i consider stupid, but that doesnt mean i
consider myself as stupid.

Such nonsense.

Everyone knows what you want to say. The essence of those statements is a personal attack against the people and the ideas in this thread, both are connected. Stop saying you get insulted first.

Stop claiming that this thread is a waste of time when you come here on a regular basis to say it every time.

Stop, just stop.

____________


That's what he always does. Ignoring unpleasant questions. He avoided our last "confrontation" for pages.

Yea, personally I think he's just watched too much "the mentalist" and has now assumed the role of a witty and intellectual debater. it is a pity however that he is neither witty nor intellectual.

[estebanus]

waldstr18 wrote...

@estebanus

ive talked about my reasons long enough. wait for spotlessvoid, he will collect all my posts and write a chronic or something.

and i said a few times i respect the original idt creators for finding all the clues. i could have never done that. but no matter how many clues they find, its still a game.

and marketing wise it would be suicide to sell an unfinished game for full price in the current dlc climate. (unfortunetely not my words. some one else posted that a while back. paraphrasing of course.)

Have you now? Well, I'd like to see one of them.

If you really respect them, why didn't you say so the first time you commented here?

I like how you avoided my question. How is it pretentious? And how does it insult Bioware in the least? We are actually doing the one thing Bioware wanted its fans to do: Speculate!

Modifié par estebanus, 11 mai 2012 - 02:59 .

[estebanus]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

waldstr18 wrote...

im walking a fine line here of not
calling you stupid (yet) but calling the thing you do stupid. i think
there is a difference. its not all forrest gump; stupid is, who stupid
does. many of the things i do i consider stupid, but that doesnt mean i
consider myself as stupid.

Such nonsense.

Everyone knows what you want to say. The essence of those statements is a personal attack against the people and the ideas in this thread, both are connected. Stop saying you get insulted first.

Stop claiming that this thread is a waste of time when you come here on a regular basis to say it every time.

Stop, just stop.

____________


That's what he always does. Ignoring unpleasant questions. He avoided our last "confrontation" for pages.

Yea, personally I think he's just watched too much "the mentalist" and has now assumed the role of a witty and intellectual debater. it is a pity however that he is neither witty nor intellectual.

Or a debater.

[waldstr18]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

waldstr18 wrote...

im walking a fine line here of not
calling you stupid (yet) but calling the thing you do stupid. i think
there is a difference. its not all forrest gump; stupid is, who stupid
does. many of the things i do i consider stupid, but that doesnt mean i
consider myself as stupid.

Such nonsense.

Everyone knows what you want to say. The essence of those statements is a personal attack against the people and the ideas in this thread, both are connected. Stop saying you get insulted first.

Stop claiming that this thread is a waste of time when you come here on a regular basis to say it every time.

Stop, just stop.

____________


That's what he always does. Ignoring unpleasant questions. He avoided our last "confrontation" for pages.

Yea, personally I think he's just watched too much "the mentalist" and has now assumed the role of a witty and intellectual debater. it is a pity however that he is neither witty nor intellectual.

but i wish i were! no, actually i know my limits pretty well. but thats also the reason why i find it so stupid to still believe in the idt. if even i can see that it makes no sense, why cant you?

[estebanus]

*snip*

Modifié par estebanus, 11 mai 2012 - 02:59 .

[balance5050]

 Alright folks, I have to clean my house now.

@Waldstr
With respect, would you kindly give this 90 minute IT video a viewing so you can come back to us with a clearer understanding of what we're talking about?
Otherwise you are in the wrong thread.... stop lurking here, because the reason this thread is still going is because it's conducive to intellectual analysis of one of the greatest games of all time.


Otherwise you just come off as a self-hating, closeted I.T. supporter. 

Modifié par balance5050, 11 mai 2012 - 03:00 .

[lex0r11]

waldstr18 wrote...

@jade888bay

i really did. post again, i promise i will respond.

@lex0r

i like you, too. but please keep your posts shorter or at least the stuff one is supposed to read at the end. thanks.

Are you serious? Keep it shorter?

Nothing you do in here is justifiable. To almost every acusation, you only write one phrase that has nothing to do with them. You avoid half of everything in here and THEN you want me to keep my post shorter?

You cannot explain or justify why you are (still) here.

[Big G13]

balance5050 wrote...

Guys, we really don't need to bother, just read what he wrote and you'll see why anything Wald says is dead on arrival.

waldstr18 wrote...

we had this discussing already. i do. you dont like the green ending and shepard surviving withouth shields and armor, but i have no problem accepting either one of them. especially the green space magic. no problem at all. (helps that i almost failed physics. most of the things out there are like magic to me amyhow. but its a wonderful way of life. i find pleasure in the little things.)

I've never taken a physics class in my life and even I can understand how problematic synthesis is.

[estebanus]

waldstr18 wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

waldstr18 wrote...

im walking a fine line here of not
calling you stupid (yet) but calling the thing you do stupid. i think
there is a difference. its not all forrest gump; stupid is, who stupid
does. many of the things i do i consider stupid, but that doesnt mean i
consider myself as stupid.

Such nonsense.

Everyone knows what you want to say. The essence of those statements is a personal attack against the people and the ideas in this thread, both are connected. Stop saying you get insulted first.

Stop claiming that this thread is a waste of time when you come here on a regular basis to say it every time.

Stop, just stop.

____________


That's what he always does. Ignoring unpleasant questions. He avoided our last "confrontation" for pages.

Yea, personally I think he's just watched too much "the mentalist" and has now assumed the role of a witty and intellectual debater. it is a pity however that he is neither witty nor intellectual.

but i wish i were! no, actually i know my limits pretty well. but thats also the reason why i find it so stupid to still believe in the idt. if even i can see that it makes no sense, why cant you?

If you can't see how it doesn't make sense, that could also mean that you don't understand it.

Some people also say that evolution makes no sense.

[DJBare]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

DJBare wrote...

Anderson: woah, the walls, they are shifting changing.
Moments later Shepard sees these walls move as s/he approaches them.

This one keeps bugging, I keep getting the feeling there is a clue in those walls, specifically in the pattern.
Btw, if that were the walls Anderson spoke of, then he definitely took the same route as Shepard, again, how was Anderson ahead of Shepard when he specifically states "I followed you up"

Yes! That line from Anderson was the VERY first sign that led me to believe in IDT.

ALSO, if you have studied that wall then I also assume you have studied the rest of the area. It is literally impossible for Anderson to have taken a different route, there is only one walkway leading into the control room and the control room itself is surrounded by walls full of electricity. there is no getting in there ANY other way. Period. Anderson can't really be there.

I'm hoping to get a few more eyes looking at that image, I don't think what Anderson states is just a description, I think it was telling the player to take note, a clue, otherwise it's seems like an awful lot of effort to add and animate them for nothing.

[waldstr18]

estebanus wrote...

waldstr18 wrote...

@estebanus

ive talked about my reasons long enough. wait for spotlessvoid, he will collect all my posts and write a chronic or something.

and i said a few times i respect the original idt creators for finding all the clues. i could have never done that. but no matter how many clues they find, its still a game.

and marketing wise it would be suicide to sell an unfinished game for full price in the current dlc climate. (unfortunetely not my words. some one else posted that a while back. paraphrasing of course.)

Have you now? Well, I think that I've come to an agreement with you at least when it comes to this.

If you really respect them, why didn't you say so the first time you commented here?

I like how you avoided my question. How is it pretentious? And how does it insult Bioware in the least? We are actually doing the one thing Bioware wanted its fans to do: Speculate!

ive explained the pretentiousness already.

bioware pours its heart out to deliver us a great story. and you say: "ha ha ha! bioware, we know you didnt mean the ending. its just a dream. it cant possibly be real. makes no sense." well, what if it really is the real ending they intended? wouldnt you find it pretentious if someone calls the finale of your work not real? i sure would.

if bioware does something, they know why, and if someone else doesnt think its up to his standards doesnt mean he has the right to say they didnt mean it. what does he know about biowares intentions? ergo pretentious.

[lex0r11]

Big G13 wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

wanna take this time to say hi to a few friendly faces,

Lex0r11, Big G13, Balance5050 and Arian Dynas,

You guys are keeping this thread alive, much respect! =)

We miss you.:happy:

[Jadebaby]

EpyonX3 wrote...

1) But we're talking about the Shadow Broker. The one person that's not TIM that knows pretty much everything about anything. I'm sure he would have known about the panels.

Yea I don't think the Shadow Broker was as all-knowng as you believe, remember that in ME3 Liara as the Shadow Broker missed vital intel about Thessia which TIM obtained through her channels from what I recall.

2) I'm not sure what you're trying to say but here's my answer to what I think you're saying. They added that to give to reason to sending up humans to the citadel, dead or alive. What else could they be doing up there besids turning only a few of them into husks?

No, the amount of energy they would be transferring with those panels is completely unneccesary to turn a few thousand people into husks.

The thing that makes Object Rho special to the theory is that Shepard is the only surviving member on that station who had cotact with it. None of his crew did. However, at least two others were with Shepard fighting the human reaper and two others were with him on the Derelict reaper.
How come his crew haven't been going through the same processes? Indoctrination hasn't been selective in its targets.

It could be argued that because Shepard has been around Reaper tech more than his/her squadmates, therefore he/she was more prone to the indoctrination ommited from the human reaper.


Also @ Waldstr... I'm not digging through pages to find what I said, I dont care enough about you to waste my energy on you. If you would like me to take back calling you a liar however, well i think you know what to do.

[EpyonX3]

balance5050 wrote...

"..."

Otherwise you just come off as a self-hating, closeted I.T. supporter. 

LOL

+1 Cookie!

[waldstr18]

lex0r11 wrote...

waldstr18 wrote...

@jade888bay

i really did. post again, i promise i will respond.

@lex0r

i like you, too. but please keep your posts shorter or at least the stuff one is supposed to read at the end. thanks.

Are you serious? Keep it shorter?

Nothing you do in here is justifiable. To almost every acusation, you only write one phrase that has nothing to do with them. You avoid half of everything in here and THEN you want me to keep my post shorter?

You cannot explain or justify why you are (still) here.

well done. thats just how i wanted your posts to look like. thanks a bunch.

[KyreneZA]

What I don't get is even if IT is true, what happens after Shepard wakes up? Do the Reapers just curb stomp us anyway, since them being destroyed was just a dream?

[Salient Archer]

Salient Archer wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Salient Archer wrote...

 
Supernovas
produces the same destructive power of 10^162 Gigaton of TNT
They full strength of the blast has a range of 10au depending on the size of the sun, but the remnant shockwave and radiation has a travel distance of around 50au with dissipating intensity over distance.

The Sol System Relay
For Relay orbiting distance the Sol Relay was approximately sitting 39au from our star.

The Mu Relay
It was estimated that the Mu Relay was much closer to the star that went supernova (possibly as close at 13au based on in-game start charts) but just to be lenient lets say it was still 39au from the blast center.

Due to It’s distance from the blast center it was hit with approximately only 10 Gigaton of TNT and as a result was not damaged but was flung out of it’s orbit. Although it could have been as high as 10^6 Gigaton.

The Citadel
As stated in Mass Effect Revelation The Citadel is made from the same materials as the Mass Relays. The presidium and each arm also contains pods that produce mass effect fields the protect the wards by keeping the outer skin separate from the rest of the structures, which protects it from intense external damage. It stands to reason the Citadel (with it’s arms closed) could also sustain external hits of a Gigaton or greater.

In essence; the Citadel would have to incur a massive internalized explosion, where it is most vulnerable. To be lenient lets place the explosion at no greater than 1 Gigaton (although could be as great as 10 Gigaton).

The Human Body
At 537 degrees celsius (1000 Fahrenheit) the human skin catches fire.
At 982 degrees celsius (1800 Fahrenheit) human bones can turn to ash
The blast that would have destroyed the Citadel would have produced temperatures in excess of 8,000,000 degrees celsius (14,400,032 Fahrenheit) vaporizing anyone inside the blast zone.

So what am I trying to say, well....
*Snip*

That's a fair assesment. Can you try calculating the effects of reentering a planet's atmosphere and imacting the ground wearing just a space suit?

Also, knowing how difficult it is for sarcasm to be confused on forums in general, let me be clear and say that this is a serious question and no offense or sarcasm was intended.

Well, if the Citadel was parked about 238,855 miles (384,000km) from Earth (using the moons orbital distance as a frame of reference) it would take Shepard at least 13+ hours to reach earths outer atmosphere if he was able to propel himself at a direct vector and at the safe orbital re-entry speed of 17,500 mph (28,163 kph). This could become problematic without an envirosuit as the human respiratory system can only last up to 90 seconds within a vacuum.

Now assuming he can survive temps of up to 11,726 degrees Celsius (21,138 fahrenheit) during the re-entry period his next obstacle would be the 200 mile drop to the ground, during this stage he should reach his max terminal velocity speed of 125mph (200kph) once he enters atmo, making his fall last around around 1.6 hours before he comes to a perfect, gentle stop conveniently in the rubble of london.

I should mention that if you were to free fall from 200miles at terminal velocity you would suffer from hypoxia (if you already hadn't from being in a vacuum for 13 hours) and hypothermia as the air from about 5.6miles (9km) and upwards has an average temp of -34 Fharenheit (-35 celsius). 
Simply speaking your body would just be in free fall at the max speed of 125 mph (200kph) for around an hour and a half and you would remain unconscious until you hit the ground. 

Having said that,  you'd still be alive ... right up until the ground breaks your fall that is; that's when everything in your body shatter and your blood decides to exit through every orifice available ... EVERY orifice!

[waldstr18]

balance5050 wrote...

 Alright folks, I have to clean my house now.

@Waldstr
With respect, would you kindly give this 90 minute IT video a viewing so you can come back to us with a clearer understanding of what we're talking about?
Otherwise you are in the wrong thread.... stop lurking here, because the reason this thread is still going is because it's conducive to intellectual analysis of one of the greatest games of all time.


Otherwise you just come off as a self-hating, closeted I.T. supporter. 

90 minutes? are you kidding me. but to avoid being closeted, ill watch it, sure.

[arc_gabriel_]

Someone say cookie? =D

[EpyonX3]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

1) But we're talking about the Shadow Broker. The one person that's not TIM that knows pretty much everything about anything. I'm sure he would have known about the panels.

Yea I don't think the Shadow Broker was as all-knowng as you believe, remember that in ME3 Liara as the Shadow Broker missed vital intel about Thessia which TIM obtained through her channels from what I recall.

2) I'm not sure what you're trying to say but here's my answer to what I think you're saying. They added that to give to reason to sending up humans to the citadel, dead or alive. What else could they be doing up there besids turning only a few of them into husks?

No, the amount of energy they would be transferring with those panels is completely unneccesary to turn a few thousand people into husks.

The thing that makes Object Rho special to the theory is that Shepard is the only surviving member on that station who had cotact with it. None of his crew did. However, at least two others were with Shepard fighting the human reaper and two others were with him on the Derelict reaper.
How come his crew haven't been going through the same processes? Indoctrination hasn't been selective in its targets.

It could be argued that because Shepard has been around Reaper tech more than his/her squadmates, therefore he/she was more prone to the indoctrination ommited from the human reaper.


Also @ Waldstr... I'm not digging through pages to find what I said, I dont care enough about you to waste my energy on you. If you would like me to take back calling you a liar however, well i think you know what to do.

1) Liara is new and still hasn't been able to go through everything the previous broker knew. TIM has been on the same level as the broker for a while now.

EDIT: Also, TIM got his info from the Archives, probably the same that the councilor knew about. Liara didn't even know about the prothean origins of her people's tech. I'm sure the shadow broker had at least some pieces of info on this.

2) Exactly. That lends to the idea that they're using the energy for something much larger. A human reaper.

3) It could, but then it's not clear whether idoctrination is possible through on and off exposure like shepard.

Modifié par EpyonX3, 11 mai 2012 - 03:13 .

[Jadebaby]

DJBare wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

DJBare wrote...

Anderson: woah, the walls, they are shifting changing.
Moments later Shepard sees these walls move as s/he approaches them.

This one keeps bugging, I keep getting the feeling there is a clue in those walls, specifically in the pattern.
Btw, if that were the walls Anderson spoke of, then he definitely took the same route as Shepard, again, how was Anderson ahead of Shepard when he specifically states "I followed you up"

Yes! That line from Anderson was the VERY first sign that led me to believe in IDT.

ALSO, if you have studied that wall then I also assume you have studied the rest of the area. It is literally impossible for Anderson to have taken a different route, there is only one walkway leading into the control room and the control room itself is surrounded by walls full of electricity. there is no getting in there ANY other way. Period. Anderson can't really be there.

I'm hoping to get a few more eyes looking at that image, I don't think what Anderson states is just a description, I think it was telling the player to take note, a clue, otherwise it's seems like an awful lot of effort to add and animate them for nothing.

You have to remember though, that if they did make one clue bigger than another or make one clue too 'concrete' then it would give the IDT too much credence, which im sure Bioware wanted to avoid.

[waldstr18]

wow, ive only seen the intro yet, but its so well done, im already convinced.

once the idt is disproven - mass suicides are in order.


the first sentence already states that bioware has been promted by the **** storm to work on the dlc for the summer. so does that mean, no **** storm - no summer dlc? and with that no idt?

just asking, since you guys are so big on calling me the boss of contradicting.

Modifié par waldstr18, 11 mai 2012 - 03:12 .

[HyperGlass]

Kyrene wrote...

What I don't get is even if IT is true, what happens after Shepard wakes up? Do the Reapers just curb stomp us anyway, since them being destroyed was just a dream?

It is logical to assume Shepard will activate the Crucible for solely destroying the Reapers while Harbinger is just ranting in the background or depending on EMS or choice you're indoctrinated and disable the Crucible and everyone gets wiped out and Joker flees for real.

[DJBare]

Kyrene wrote...

What I don't get is even if IT is true, what happens after Shepard wakes up? Do the Reapers just curb stomp us anyway, since them being destroyed was just a dream?

"There's always another way"

I'm going for Harbinger being the lynch pin of the reapers, Shepard will be going after him, not direct conflict, that would be suicide, but find a way inside Harbinger, take on 100s of antibodies(husks) and destroy Harbinger from within, despite "each a nation independent" I think Harbinger is the weakness.

[macrocarl]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

DJBare wrote...

Anderson: woah, the walls, they are shifting changing.
Moments later Shepard sees these walls move as s/he approaches them.

This one keeps bugging, I keep getting the feeling there is a clue in those walls, specifically in the pattern.
Btw, if that were the walls Anderson spoke of, then he definitely took the same route as Shepard, again, how was Anderson ahead of Shepard when he specifically states "I followed you up"

Yes! That line from Anderson was the VERY first sign that led me to believe in IDT.

ALSO, if you have studied that wall then I also assume you have studied the rest of the area. It is literally impossible for Anderson to have taken a different route, there is only one walkway leading into the control room and the control room itself is surrounded by walls full of electricity. there is no getting in there ANY other way. Period. Anderson can't really be there.

This is where I was getting suspicous as well. Other than making what Anderson said ring false (along side of all the other bonky stuff going on) I can't find another reason why BW went to the trouble of animating those walls.