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[HellishFiend]

DJBare wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

DJBare wrote...

Anderson: woah, the walls, they are shifting changing.
Moments later Shepard sees these walls move as s/he approaches them.

This one keeps bugging, I keep getting the feeling there is a clue in those walls, specifically in the pattern.
Btw, if that were the walls Anderson spoke of, then he definitely took the same route as Shepard, again, how was Anderson ahead of Shepard when he specifically states "I followed you up"

Yes! That line from Anderson was the VERY first sign that led me to believe in IDT.

ALSO, if you have studied that wall then I also assume you have studied the rest of the area. It is literally impossible for Anderson to have taken a different route, there is only one walkway leading into the control room and the control room itself is surrounded by walls full of electricity. there is no getting in there ANY other way. Period. Anderson can't really be there.

I'm hoping to get a few more eyes looking at that image, I don't think what Anderson states is just a description, I think it was telling the player to take note, a clue, otherwise it's seems like an awful lot of effort to add and animate them for nothing.

I've put some thought into it, but if there's something there, it's flying clear over my head. Do you think it could be something literal, or figurative? Or perhaps symbolic? In any case, I cant think of what it could possibly mean. 

[lex0r11]

waldstr18 wrote...

wow, ive only seen the intro yet, but its so well done, im already convinced.

once the idt is disproven - mass suicides are in order.

WOW.

You should go right now and think about what you just posted.

Modifié par lex0r11, 11 mai 2012 - 03:14 .

[DJBare]

HyperGlass wrote...

Kyrene wrote...

What I don't get is even if IT is true, what happens after Shepard wakes up? Do the Reapers just curb stomp us anyway, since them being destroyed was just a dream?

It is logical to assume Shepard will activate the Crucible for solely destroying the Reapers while Harbinger is just ranting in the background or depending on EMS or choice you're indoctrinated and disable the Crucible and everyone gets wiped out and Joker flees for real.

I'd rather we go for destroying the crucible after discovering it's actually another reaper trap, similar to the relays and the citadel.

[estebanus]

waldstr18 wrote...

estebanus wrote...

waldstr18 wrote...

@estebanus

ive talked about my reasons long enough. wait for spotlessvoid, he will collect all my posts and write a chronic or something.

and i said a few times i respect the original idt creators for finding all the clues. i could have never done that. but no matter how many clues they find, its still a game.

and marketing wise it would be suicide to sell an unfinished game for full price in the current dlc climate. (unfortunetely not my words. some one else posted that a while back. paraphrasing of course.)

Have you now? Well, I think that I've come to an agreement with you at least when it comes to this.

If you really respect them, why didn't you say so the first time you commented here?

I like how you avoided my question. How is it pretentious? And how does it insult Bioware in the least? We are actually doing the one thing Bioware wanted its fans to do: Speculate!

ive explained the pretentiousness already.

bioware pours its heart out to deliver us a great story. and you say: "ha ha ha! bioware, we know you didnt mean the ending. its just a dream. it cant possibly be real. makes no sense." well, what if it really is the real ending they intended? wouldnt you find it pretentious if someone calls the finale of your work not real? i sure would.

if bioware does something, they know why, and if someone else doesnt think its up to his standards doesnt mean he has the right to say they didnt mean it. what does he know about biowares intentions? ergo pretentious.

But what if they intended the IT? What then? Wouldn't you then be seen as an arrogant ass who insulted the very people who knew their real intention all along?

I'm starting to think you don't even know what the word "pretentious" means. After all, I'm still not 100% sure if the IT was intended. And I won't know until summer. Neither will you.

Your whole argument is built up around you saying that the endings are in fact literal, ruling out everything else. How can I argue with you if you say we're insulting Bioware by speculating? The very thing they wanted us to do?!

And they made a great story for me, regardless of the endings. I thought the rest of the game was brilliant! That is the reason why I don't think they could betray their very own themes they set up throughout the whole trilogy in the last five minutes.

[Jadebaby]

EpyonX3 wrote...

1) Liara is new and still hasn't been able to go through everything the previous broker knew. TIM has been on the same level as the broker for a while now.

Valid point, but even before she became broker she was a "damn good" information broker. And she did have 6 full months to fully equip herself as the shadow broker. Arguable whether 6 months is enough time or not.

2) Exactly. That lends to the idea that they're using the energy for something much larger. A human reaper.

Again? And where does a human reaper fit in with the ending we got?

3) It could, but then it's not clear whether idoctrination is possible through on and off exposure like shepard.

I guess the only one thing that is clear about indoctrination is that it's a complex process.

[waldstr18]

lex0r11 wrote...

waldstr18 wrote...

wow, ive only seen the intro yet, but its so well done, im already convinced.

once the idt is disproven - mass suicides are in order.

WOW.

You should go right now and think about what you just posted.

why so serious? - some guy with face paint

[Jadebaby]

DJBare wrote...

HyperGlass wrote...

Kyrene wrote...

What I don't get is even if IT is true, what happens after Shepard wakes up? Do the Reapers just curb stomp us anyway, since them being destroyed was just a dream?

It is logical to assume Shepard will activate the Crucible for solely destroying the Reapers while Harbinger is just ranting in the background or depending on EMS or choice you're indoctrinated and disable the Crucible and everyone gets wiped out and Joker flees for real.

I'd rather we go for destroying the crucible after discovering it's actually another reaper trap, similar to the relays and the citadel.

I'd rather the crucible be a gigantic overload device that overloads all the reapers kinetic barriers through-out the galaxy, allowing the galaxy united to beat them in conventional warfare.

[balance5050]

waldstr18 wrote...

why so serious? - some guy with face paint

OMFG his name is the Joker you utter, utter fool.

Modifié par balance5050, 11 mai 2012 - 03:16 .

[Mcfly616]

EpyonX3 wrote...

Salient Archer wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Salient Archer wrote...

 
Supernovas
produces the same destructive power of 10^162 Gigaton of TNT
They full strength of the blast has a range of 10au depending on the size of the sun, but the remnant shockwave and radiation has a travel distance of around 50au with dissipating intensity over distance.

The Sol System Relay
For Relay orbiting distance the Sol Relay was approximately sitting 39au from our star.

The Mu Relay
It was estimated that the Mu Relay was much closer to the star that went supernova (possibly as close at 13au based on in-game start charts) but just to be lenient lets say it was still 39au from the blast center.

Due to It’s distance from the blast center it was hit with approximately only 10 Gigaton of TNT and as a result was not damaged but was flung out of it’s orbit. Although it could have been as high as 10^6 Gigaton.

The Citadel
As stated in Mass Effect Revelation The Citadel is made from the same materials as the Mass Relays. The presidium and each arm also contains pods that produce mass effect fields the protect the wards by keeping the outer skin separate from the rest of the structures, which protects it from intense external damage. It stands to reason the Citadel (with it’s arms closed) could also sustain external hits of a Gigaton or greater.

In essence; the Citadel would have to incur a massive internalized explosion, where it is most vulnerable. To be lenient lets place the explosion at no greater than 1 Gigaton (although could be as great as 10 Gigaton).

The Human Body
At 537 degrees celsius (1000 Fahrenheit) the human skin catches fire.
At 982 degrees celsius (1800 Fahrenheit) human bones can turn to ash
The blast that would have destroyed the Citadel would have produced temperatures in excess of 8,000,000 degrees celsius (14,400,032 Fahrenheit) vaporizing anyone inside the blast zone.

So what am I trying to say, well....
*Snip*

That's a fair assesment. Can you try calculating the effects of reentering a planet's atmosphere and imacting the ground wearing just a space suit?

Also, knowing how difficult it is for sarcasm to be confused on forums in general, let me be clear and say that this is a serious question and no offense or sarcasm was intended.

Well, if the Citadel was parked about 238,855 miles (384,000km) from Earth (using the moons orbital distance as a frame of reference) it would take Shepard at least 13+ hours to reach earths outer atmosphere if he was able to propel himself at a direct vector and at the safe orbital re-entry speed of 17,500 mph (28,163 kph). This could become problematic without an envirosuit as the human respiratory system can only last up to 90 seconds within a vacuum.

Now assuming he can survive temps of up to 11,726 degrees Celsius (21,138 fahrenheit) during the re-entry period his next obstacle would be the 200 mile drop to the ground, during this stage he should reach his max terminal velocity speed of 125mph (200kph) once he enters atmo, making his fall last around around 1.6 hours before he comes to a perfect, gentle stop conveniently in the rubble of london.

Sorry. I was referring to Mass Effect 2, when shepard fell from the Normandy to the surface but was in tact enough to be rebuilt.

Umm he was a pile of meat and bones.....as dead as one can get.....Project Lazarus was a one time deal.....Shepard is the only known successful ressurection....nobody believed it was possible except Miranda.....you make it seem like he was guaranteed to come back.....


He was a slab of meat(they literally say it), longshot of being brought back(they literally say it)

[DJBare]

HellishFiend wrote...

DJBare wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

DJBare wrote...

Anderson: woah, the walls, they are shifting changing.
Moments later Shepard sees these walls move as s/he approaches them.

This one keeps bugging, I keep getting the feeling there is a clue in those walls, specifically in the pattern.
Btw, if that were the walls Anderson spoke of, then he definitely took the same route as Shepard, again, how was Anderson ahead of Shepard when he specifically states "I followed you up"

Yes! That line from Anderson was the VERY first sign that led me to believe in IDT.

ALSO, if you have studied that wall then I also assume you have studied the rest of the area. It is literally impossible for Anderson to have taken a different route, there is only one walkway leading into the control room and the control room itself is surrounded by walls full of electricity. there is no getting in there ANY other way. Period. Anderson can't really be there.

I'm hoping to get a few more eyes looking at that image, I don't think what Anderson states is just a description, I think it was telling the player to take note, a clue, otherwise it's seems like an awful lot of effort to add and animate them for nothing.

I've put some thought into it, but if there's something there, it's flying clear over my head. Do you think it could be something literal, or figurative? Or perhaps symbolic? In any case, I cant think of what it could possibly mean. 

I'm not sure, but if we accept this as an illusion then I'd say symbolic, one thing I also notice is what appears to be a missing part of the puzzle, the gap itself that makes up the entrance to the ramp, look at the horizontal edges level with Shepards head, they line up on both sides of the gap.

[estebanus]

waldstr18 wrote...

wow, ive only seen the intro yet, but its so well done, im already convinced.

once the idt is disproven - mass suicides are in order.

There you go again, wording your sentences in a way that makes you seem 100% sure that you're right.
Only a fool is absolutely certain of himself.

And you are calling us cultists, insulting us and saying that we will kill ourselves if the IT is disproven.

You're a damn hypocrite, nothing else.

[Vahilor]

People we all now how a special Troll here is acting.. so ignore him and he will go again.. if you allways jump on his provocations.. it will never stop.

[DirtyPhoenix]

DJBare wrote...

Anderson: woah, the walls, they are shifting changing.
Moments later Shepard sees these walls move as s/he approaches them.

This one keeps bugging, I keep getting the feeling there is a clue in those walls, specifically in the pattern.
Btw, if that were the walls Anderson spoke of, then he definitely took the same route as Shepard, again, how was Anderson ahead of Shepard when he specifically states "I followed you up"

Exactly! And Anderson asks where are you at exactly the same moment when you are crossing the chasm-and-shifting-walls he spoke of earlier.

[EpyonX3]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

1) Liara is new and still hasn't been able to go through everything the previous broker knew. TIM has been on the same level as the broker for a while now.

Valid point, but even before she became broker she was a "damn good" information broker. And she did have 6 full months to fully equip herself as the shadow broker. Arguable whether 6 months is enough time or not.

2) Exactly. That lends to the idea that they're using the energy for something much larger. A human reaper.

Again? And where does a human reaper fit in with the ending we got?

3) It could, but then it's not clear whether idoctrination is possible through on and off exposure like shepard.

I guess the only one thing that is clear about indoctrination is that it's a complex process.

2) Well being that a human reaper was being made in ME2 and that Earth is being harvested by reapers interested in humans, it's no surprise that they'd try to make one during the final stages of harvesting.

3) I can agree with that. Even TIM couldn't get it right.

[balance5050]

Vahilor wrote...

People we all now how a special Troll here is acting.. so ignore him and he will go again.. if you allways jump on his provocations.. it will never stop.

I'm sorry, I couldn't let that last one go though.... "some guy with face paint"?!... No respect at all....

[waldstr18]

@estebanus

if you are not sure the idt was intended, its not pretentious. but there are enough people here who are absolutely sure about it. usually also the ones insulting disbelievers.

bioware saying they wanted us to speculate, sounds more like marketing to me. "keep them involved until you can fix it". "lost interest = lost customer".

[DJBare]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

DJBare wrote...

HyperGlass wrote...

Kyrene wrote...

What I don't get is even if IT is true, what happens after Shepard wakes up? Do the Reapers just curb stomp us anyway, since them being destroyed was just a dream?

It is logical to assume Shepard will activate the Crucible for solely destroying the Reapers while Harbinger is just ranting in the background or depending on EMS or choice you're indoctrinated and disable the Crucible and everyone gets wiped out and Joker flees for real.

I'd rather we go for destroying the crucible after discovering it's actually another reaper trap, similar to the relays and the citadel.

I'd rather the crucible be a gigantic overload device that overloads all the reapers kinetic barriers through-out the galaxy, allowing the galaxy united to beat them in conventional warfare.

But that's the problem and why the galaxy got itself in this mess to begin with, taking the easy route and using tech created by the reapers themselves.

[Tirian Thorn]

waldstr18 wrote...

wow, ive only seen the intro yet, but its so well done, im already convinced.

once the idt is disproven - mass suicides are in order.

[Salient Archer]

EpyonX3 wrote...

Salient Archer wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Salient Archer wrote...

 
Supernovas
produces the same destructive power of 10^162 Gigaton of TNT
They full strength of the blast has a range of 10au depending on the size of the sun, but the remnant shockwave and radiation has a travel distance of around 50au with dissipating intensity over distance.

The Sol System Relay
For Relay orbiting distance the Sol Relay was approximately sitting 39au from our star.

The Mu Relay
It was estimated that the Mu Relay was much closer to the star that went supernova (possibly as close at 13au based on in-game start charts) but just to be lenient lets say it was still 39au from the blast center.

Due to It’s distance from the blast center it was hit with approximately only 10 Gigaton of TNT and as a result was not damaged but was flung out of it’s orbit. Although it could have been as high as 10^6 Gigaton.

The Citadel
As stated in Mass Effect Revelation The Citadel is made from the same materials as the Mass Relays. The presidium and each arm also contains pods that produce mass effect fields the protect the wards by keeping the outer skin separate from the rest of the structures, which protects it from intense external damage. It stands to reason the Citadel (with it’s arms closed) could also sustain external hits of a Gigaton or greater.

In essence; the Citadel would have to incur a massive internalized explosion, where it is most vulnerable. To be lenient lets place the explosion at no greater than 1 Gigaton (although could be as great as 10 Gigaton).

The Human Body
At 537 degrees celsius (1000 Fahrenheit) the human skin catches fire.
At 982 degrees celsius (1800 Fahrenheit) human bones can turn to ash
The blast that would have destroyed the Citadel would have produced temperatures in excess of 8,000,000 degrees celsius (14,400,032 Fahrenheit) vaporizing anyone inside the blast zone.

So what am I trying to say, well....
*Snip*

That's a fair assesment. Can you try calculating the effects of reentering a planet's atmosphere and imacting the ground wearing just a space suit?

Also, knowing how difficult it is for sarcasm to be confused on forums in general, let me be clear and say that this is a serious question and no offense or sarcasm was intended.

Well, if the Citadel was parked about 238,855 miles (384,000km) from Earth (using the moons orbital distance as a frame of reference) it would take Shepard at least 13+ hours to reach earths outer atmosphere if he was able to propel himself at a direct vector and at the safe orbital re-entry speed of 17,500 mph (28,163 kph). This could become problematic without an envirosuit as the human respiratory system can only last up to 90 seconds within a vacuum.

Now assuming he can survive temps of up to 11,726 degrees Celsius (21,138 fahrenheit) during the re-entry period his next obstacle would be the 200 mile drop to the ground, during this stage he should reach his max terminal velocity speed of 125mph (200kph) once he enters atmo, making his fall last around around 1.6 hours before he comes to a perfect, gentle stop conveniently in the rubble of london.

Sorry. I was referring to Mass Effect 2, when shepard fell from the Normandy to the surface but was in tact enough to be rebuilt.

Sweet, well to be honest the same principals wouldn't apply like they do with Earth, as Alchera not only has less Atmospher but it's kind of hard to say what temp re-entry would reach. As for it's much lower gravity, terminal velocity would be around 100mph (160kph) at a guess.

It's still fast enough to mess you up, but it would be like a highway car crash with more singed bits.

Most bones in your body would shatter and your blood would still decide to exit through every orifice available ... need I emphasize EVERY orifice!

[DJBare]

Seriously, I find it extremely difficult to have a discussion in this thread because people keep responding to Wald, you are as bad as wald!

[HellishFiend]

DJBare wrote...

I'm not sure, but if we accept this as an illusion then I'd say symbolic, one thing I also notice is what appears to be a missing part of the puzzle, the gap itself that makes up the entrance to the ramp, look at the horizontal edges level with Shepards head, they line up on both sides of the gap.

If I understand you correctly (which I may not), are you just pointing out that it's a symmetrical bridge?

[EpyonX3]

Mcfly616 wrote...

Umm he was a pile of meat and bones.....as dead as one can get.....Project Lazarus was a one time deal.....Shepard is the only known successful ressurection....nobody believed it was possible except Miranda.....you make it seem like he was guaranteed to come back.....


He was a slab of meat(they literally say it), longshot of being brought back(they literally say it)

No that's not my intention. It's actually the opposite. Would shepard be a slab of meat with an in tact brain after free falling from orbit with nothing but a space suit?

Especially after seeing his body beginning to burn up in plasma.

[Vahilor]

balance5050 wrote...

Vahilor wrote...

People we all now how a special Troll here is acting.. so ignore him and he will go again.. if you allways jump on his provocations.. it will never stop.

I'm sorry, I couldn't let that last one go though.... "some guy with face paint"?!... No respect at all....

I know somtimes it is hard to ignore.. but you must resist ^^

[waldstr18]

estebanus wrote...

waldstr18 wrote...

wow, ive only seen the intro yet, but its so well done, im already convinced.

once the idt is disproven - mass suicides are in order.

There you go again, wording your sentences in a way that makes you seem 100% sure that you're right.
Only a fool is absolutely certain of himself.

And you are calling us cultists, insulting us and saying that we will kill ourselves if the IT is disproven.

You're a damn hypocrite, nothing else.

you really like the 100%, dont you? 

since i had the sucide statement in there i really thought it was pretty clear i was joking. sometime i overstate things. sorry for that. again, im not 100% sure. but 95% at least.

[estebanus]

waldstr18 wrote...

@estebanus

if you are not sure the idt was intended, its not pretentious. but there are enough people here who are absolutely sure about it. usually also the ones insulting disbelievers.

bioware saying they wanted us to speculate, sounds more like marketing to me. "keep them involved until you can fix it". "lost interest = lost customer".

I was referring to the "final hours" app. A script by Mac Walters there literally said at the end of the ending scene: "Lots of speculation from everyone!"