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[marcelo_sdk]

EpyonX3 wrote...

Salient Archer wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Salient Archer wrote...

 
Supernovas
produces the same destructive power of 10^162 Gigaton of TNT
They full strength of the blast has a range of 10au depending on the size of the sun, but the remnant shockwave and radiation has a travel distance of around 50au with dissipating intensity over distance.

The Sol System Relay
For Relay orbiting distance the Sol Relay was approximately sitting 39au from our star.

The Mu Relay
It was estimated that the Mu Relay was much closer to the star that went supernova (possibly as close at 13au based on in-game start charts) but just to be lenient lets say it was still 39au from the blast center.

Due to It’s distance from the blast center it was hit with approximately only 10 Gigaton of TNT and as a result was not damaged but was flung out of it’s orbit. Although it could have been as high as 10^6 Gigaton.

The Citadel
As stated in Mass Effect Revelation The Citadel is made from the same materials as the Mass Relays. The presidium and each arm also contains pods that produce mass effect fields the protect the wards by keeping the outer skin separate from the rest of the structures, which protects it from intense external damage. It stands to reason the Citadel (with it’s arms closed) could also sustain external hits of a Gigaton or greater.

In essence; the Citadel would have to incur a massive internalized explosion, where it is most vulnerable. To be lenient lets place the explosion at no greater than 1 Gigaton (although could be as great as 10 Gigaton).

The Human Body
At 537 degrees celsius (1000 Fahrenheit) the human skin catches fire.
At 982 degrees celsius (1800 Fahrenheit) human bones can turn to ash
The blast that would have destroyed the Citadel would have produced temperatures in excess of 8,000,000 degrees celsius (14,400,032 Fahrenheit) vaporizing anyone inside the blast zone.

So what am I trying to say, well....
*Snip*

That's a fair assesment. Can you try calculating the effects of reentering a planet's atmosphere and imacting the ground wearing just a space suit?

Also, knowing how difficult it is for sarcasm to be confused on forums in general, let me be clear and say that this is a serious question and no offense or sarcasm was intended.

Well, if the Citadel was parked about 238,855 miles (384,000km) from Earth (using the moons orbital distance as a frame of reference) it would take Shepard at least 13+ hours to reach earths outer atmosphere if he was able to propel himself at a direct vector and at the safe orbital re-entry speed of 17,500 mph (28,163 kph). This could become problematic without an envirosuit as the human respiratory system can only last up to 90 seconds within a vacuum.

Now assuming he can survive temps of up to 11,726 degrees Celsius (21,138 fahrenheit) during the re-entry period his next obstacle would be the 200 mile drop to the ground, during this stage he should reach his max terminal velocity speed of 125mph (200kph) once he enters atmo, making his fall last around around 1.6 hours before he comes to a perfect, gentle stop conveniently in the rubble of london.

Sorry. I was referring to Mass Effect 2, when shepard fell from the Normandy to the surface but was in tact enough to be rebuilt.

Again that? Well, at first, Shepard was not using a simple space suit. He was wearing a combat armor, equipped with kinetic barriers and high-resistant material. That saved him to being desintegrated in re-entry, but we know he was already dead. We know, as Jacob says, he was not more than flesh and bones. So, as most people who don't like the Lazarus Project try to state, Shepard was not intact when he was recovered.

The brain was not totally intact, he was just in a salvageable state (much scientists of Cerberus tought differently at the time), and was reconstructed with the help of implants (now, people must know this is sci-fi. But this kind of technology is not so unreal). 

Plus, the planet had lower gravity. So, I think it's very acceptable if we know it is, as I said, a sci-fi.

But a man falling in Earth with common cloathes, exactly inside a tiny space between rubbles and surviver, this is space magic or anything else you want to call it.

[EpyonX3]

Salient Archer wrote...

Sweet, well to be honest the same principals wouldn't apply like they do with Earth, as Alchera not only has less Atmospher but it's kind of hard to say what temp re-entry would reach. As for it's much lower gravity, terminal velocity would be around 100mph (160kph) at a guess.

It's still fast enough to mess you up, but it would be like a highway car crash with more singed bits.

Most bones in your body would shatter and your blood would still decide to exit through every orifice available ... need I emphasize EVERY orifice!

I think the planet has 13% less atmosphere and gravity of earth. Assuming he survives reentry, would the impact keep his brain in tact?

[lex0r11]

arc_gabriel_ wrote...

Someone say cookie? =D

[estebanus]

waldstr18 wrote...

estebanus wrote...

waldstr18 wrote...

wow, ive only seen the intro yet, but its so well done, im already convinced.

once the idt is disproven - mass suicides are in order.

There you go again, wording your sentences in a way that makes you seem 100% sure that you're right.
Only a fool is absolutely certain of himself.

And you are calling us cultists, insulting us and saying that we will kill ourselves if the IT is disproven.

You're a damn hypocrite, nothing else.

you really like the 100%, dont you? 

since i had the sucide statement in there i really thought it was pretty clear i was joking. sometime i overstate things. sorry for that. again, im not 100% sure. but 95% at least.

The thing is, that you use words like "once" and "when" each time you talk about the IT. That makes each post sound like you're totally sure the IT is false. Try not using such total words.

[waldstr18]

estebanus wrote...

waldstr18 wrote...

@estebanus

if you are not sure the idt was intended, its not pretentious. but there are enough people here who are absolutely sure about it. usually also the ones insulting disbelievers.

bioware saying they wanted us to speculate, sounds more like marketing to me. "keep them involved until you can fix it". "lost interest = lost customer".

I was referring to the "final hours" app. A script by Mac Walters there literally said at the end of the ending scene: "Lots of speculation from everyone!"

oh, i didnt know that. but i think those speculations are meant for "what happens now?" and not "was it real?". again, only my thoughts.

[SS2Dante]

DJBare wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

DJBare wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

DJBare wrote...

Anderson: woah, the walls, they are shifting changing.
Moments later Shepard sees these walls move as s/he approaches them.

This one keeps bugging, I keep getting the feeling there is a clue in those walls, specifically in the pattern.
Btw, if that were the walls Anderson spoke of, then he definitely took the same route as Shepard, again, how was Anderson ahead of Shepard when he specifically states "I followed you up"

Yes! That line from Anderson was the VERY first sign that led me to believe in IDT.

ALSO, if you have studied that wall then I also assume you have studied the rest of the area. It is literally impossible for Anderson to have taken a different route, there is only one walkway leading into the control room and the control room itself is surrounded by walls full of electricity. there is no getting in there ANY other way. Period. Anderson can't really be there.

I'm hoping to get a few more eyes looking at that image, I don't think what Anderson states is just a description, I think it was telling the player to take note, a clue, otherwise it's seems like an awful lot of effort to add and animate them for nothing.

I've put some thought into it, but if there's something there, it's flying clear over my head. Do you think it could be something literal, or figurative? Or perhaps symbolic? In any case, I cant think of what it could possibly mean. 

I'm not sure, but if we accept this as an illusion then I'd say symbolic, one thing I also notice is what appears to be a missing part of the puzzle, the gap itself that makes up the entrance to the ramp, look at the horizontal edges level with Shepards head, they line up on both sides of the gap.

Actually this area is interesting. If you turn around after leaving the collectory bit you can see that there are in fact doors to the left and right of the one you came out of. They continue on and out of sight. And each door is facing a slit that looks like the one you walk towards (except it's just light coming through that). So as far as I can tell the only conceivable way for Anderson to have been telling the truth is if the entire central area rotates, connecting each door to the bridge on demand.

..which is just weird :S

[waldstr18]

Vahilor wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Vahilor wrote...

People we all now how a special Troll here is acting.. so ignore him and he will go again.. if you allways jump on his provocations.. it will never stop.

I'm sorry, I couldn't let that last one go though.... "some guy with face paint"?!... No respect at all....

I know somtimes it is hard to ignore.. but you must resist ^^

i meant the joker from dark knight. isnt that how one quotes stuff?

lalala - the guy who said it?

[DJBare]

HellishFiend wrote...

DJBare wrote...

I'm not sure, but if we accept this as an illusion then I'd say symbolic, one thing I also notice is what appears to be a missing part of the puzzle, the gap itself that makes up the entrance to the ramp, look at the horizontal edges level with Shepards head, they line up on both sides of the gap.

If I understand you correctly (which I may not), are you just pointing out that it's a symmetrical bridge?

No, definitely not symmetrical, you can see that at the lower part, but there might be a large section missing, the gap.

[arc_gabriel_]

lex0r11 wrote...

arc_gabriel_ wrote...

Someone say cookie? =D

lmao! There is too much sweets going around here. 

[KyreneZA]

HyperGlass wrote...

Kyrene wrote...

What I don't get is even if IT is true, what happens after Shepard wakes up? Do the Reapers just curb stomp us anyway, since them being destroyed was just a dream?

It is logical to assume Shepard will activate the Crucible for solely destroying the Reapers while Harbinger is just ranting in the background or depending on EMS or choice you're indoctrinated and disable the Crucible and everyone gets wiped out and Joker flees for real.

How? How is it logical, and how would it be possible if Shepard's barely alive after the red beam Harby hits them with?

Look, I find a lot of the so-called proof for the IT very convincing. If IT is true, and the destroy-option-with-breath is the best/paragon ending, that still leaves Shepard in some rubble in London on Earth. They still have to reach the Citadel somehow and activate the Crucible for real this time, although they look really hurt/close to death there. I mean, after Harby wipes out most of the "let's-charge-the-white-pillar-of-light" team, and the Sword/Hammer is being wiped out, is there enough peeps/aliens left to still do the job?

[estebanus]

waldstr18 wrote...

estebanus wrote...

waldstr18 wrote...

@estebanus

if you are not sure the idt was intended, its not pretentious. but there are enough people here who are absolutely sure about it. usually also the ones insulting disbelievers.

bioware saying they wanted us to speculate, sounds more like marketing to me. "keep them involved until you can fix it". "lost interest = lost customer".

I was referring to the "final hours" app. A script by Mac Walters there literally said at the end of the ending scene: "Lots of speculation from everyone!"

oh, i didnt know that. but i think those speculations are meant for "what happens now?" and not "was it real?". again, only my thoughts.

If you look at the script, it's pretty clear what he intended with that sentence. He writes down several questions about the ending, and at the bottom line of it all, he writes "lots of speculation from everyone!"

[waldstr18]

estebanus wrote...

waldstr18 wrote...

estebanus wrote...

waldstr18 wrote...

wow, ive only seen the intro yet, but its so well done, im already convinced.

once the idt is disproven - mass suicides are in order.

There you go again, wording your sentences in a way that makes you seem 100% sure that you're right.
Only a fool is absolutely certain of himself.

And you are calling us cultists, insulting us and saying that we will kill ourselves if the IT is disproven.

You're a damn hypocrite, nothing else.

you really like the 100%, dont you? 

since i had the sucide statement in there i really thought it was pretty clear i was joking. sometime i overstate things. sorry for that. again, im not 100% sure. but 95% at least.

The thing is, that you use words like "once" and "when" each time you talk about the IT. That makes each post sound like you're totally sure the IT is false. Try not using such total words.

agreed. my bad. but im really hoping for it to be wrong, like i said, i bet a lot on it. so i guess its just wishful thinking on my part. but thats no excuse. you are totally right. wont happen again.

[Jadebaby]

Ok, last post for the night...

estebanus wrote...

Or a debater.

This made me lol.

waldstr18 wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

waldstr18 wrote...

wow, ive only seen the intro yet, but its so well done, im already convinced.

once the idt is disproven - mass suicides are in order.

WOW.

You should go right now and think about what you just posted.

why so serious? - some guy with face paint

Obviously you didn't realise this so I will point it out....
Your first statement was sarcasm. Now normally the first line by an individual after using a sarcastic comment is said 'in all seriousness'. So you're asking sum1 why they're being so serious to a comment made by you that was (seemingly) meant to be serious?

waldstr18 wrote...

but i wish i were! no, actually i know my limits pretty well. but thats also the reason why i find it so stupid to still believe in the idt. if even i can see that it makes no sense, why cant you?

Well it was because, imho, there is too much evidence to ignore IDT, but now it's also because if I don't believe in it I will be sharing a belief with you, the thought of that alone already makes me feel dumb.

lex0r11 wrote...

Big G13 wrote...
We miss you.

Very reluctant snip*

I was going to respond to Big G by saying how sweet he is.. But i thought i'd wait because I knew deep down that there was an approving motivational poster on the way!  Good to see with all the haters around there are still those who "light up the darkness."

You guys are awesome!

And remember people.... "Don't stop.... Believing!"

[EpyonX3]

marcelo_sdk wrote...


Again that? Well, at first, Shepard was not using a simple space suit. He was wearing a combat armor, equipped with kinetic barriers and high-resistant material. That saved him to being desintegrated in re-entry, but we know he was already dead. We know, as Jacob says, he was not more than flesh and bones. So, as most people who don't like the Lazarus Project try to state, Shepard was not intact when he was recovered.

The brain was not totally intact, he was just in a salvageable state (much scientists of Cerberus tought differently at the time), and was reconstructed with the help of implants (now, people must know this is sci-fi. But this kind of technology is not so unreal). 

Plus, the planet had lower gravity. So, I think it's very acceptable if we know it is, as I said, a sci-fi.

But a man falling in Earth with common cloathes, exactly inside a tiny space between rubbles and surviver, this is space magic or anything else you want to call it.

This is actually my point. It's unreal for a brain to be rebuilt with implants, but acceptable because it's sci-fi. However, Shepard surviving an explosion on a station that potentially provides protection from these hazards is unacceptable.

If body armor can resist the temperatures of reentry, how does shepard even get hurt by thermal bullets?

[Tirian Thorn]

Wald,
I am so sick on your negative attitude and your smug superiority. If everything is so obvious to you with your “clearly” superior brain power, then why don’t you go out and cure cancer?

You say this is a game and wonder why we’re discussing it and you completely miss the fact that it IS a game and it’s supposed to fun! Well, we’re having fun discussing a theory. What is so wrong about that? It’s our lives, our time and it’s what we want to do. It shouldn’t affect you in the least.

So sorry, if this offends your sensibilities. 

If IT is proven true, do we all get to send you messages and get to call you stupid for NOT believing it? That would be fair right, since you’ve posted on numerous occasions that that is exactly what you’re going to do should IT be proven wrong?

Well, I’m not interested in that. I want a good ending to a great series – whether that is IT or not doesn’t matter to me. 

But you roll in here for no other reason than to cause trouble and rag on everyone here for not being more like you. Guess what pal, I’m glad I’m not like you. I’m glad I can be open-minded and not ridicule people who don’t come to the same conclusions I do. It’s fine that you don’t agree with me, it’s even fine that you say that. But for you to tell me what is true or not based on no direct evidence is laughable. Because as of now, there is NO DIRECT EVIDENCE THAT IT IS TRUE OR FALSE. NONE. Deal with it. 

It’s a theory - one that many of us here like to discuss and have fun discussing it. But this doesn’t seem to fit into your world view where everyone comes to the same conclusions as you do. That happens all the time in life. Give 10 people the same 10 pieces of evidence and you’ll get 11 opinions. 

Time to grow up (regardless of your age) and learn to accept that there are other viewpoints than your own and most are just as valid as your viewpoint. 

[EpyonX3]

lex0r11 wrote...

arc_gabriel_ wrote...

Someone say cookie? =D

I thought those were for Garrus. He can't possibly eat all of those cookies. Can he?

[DJBare]

Tirian Thorn wrote...

Wald,
I am so sick on your negative attitude and your smug superiority. If everything is so obvious to you with your “clearly” superior brain power, then why don’t you go out and cure cancer?

But you roll in here for no other reason than to cause trouble.

Time to grow up (regardless of your age) and learn to accept that there are other viewpoints than your own and most are just as valid as your viewpoint. 

Seriously?, I'm no fan of wald, but read over your own post again.

[estebanus]

Tirian Thorn wrote...

Wald,
I am so sick on your negative attitude and your smug superiority. If everything is so obvious to you with your “clearly” superior brain power, then why don’t you go out and cure cancer?

You say this is a game and wonder why we’re discussing it and you completely miss the fact that it IS a game and it’s supposed to fun! Well, we’re having fun discussing a theory. What is so wrong about that? It’s our lives, our time and it’s what we want to do. It shouldn’t affect you in the least.

So sorry, if this offends your sensibilities. 

If IT is proven true, do we all get to send you messages and get to call you stupid for NOT believing it? That would be fair right, since you’ve posted on numerous occasions that that is exactly what you’re going to do should IT be proven wrong?

Well, I’m not interested in that. I want a good ending to a great series – whether that is IT or not doesn’t matter to me. 

But you roll in here for no other reason than to cause trouble and rag on everyone here for not being more like you. Guess what pal, I’m glad I’m not like you. I’m glad I can be open-minded and not ridicule people who don’t come to the same conclusions I do. It’s fine that you don’t agree with me, it’s even fine that you say that. But for you to tell me what is true or not based on no direct evidence is laughable. Because as of now, there is NO DIRECT EVIDENCE THAT IT IS TRUE OR FALSE. NONE. Deal with it. 

It’s a theory - one that many of us here like to discuss and have fun discussing it. But this doesn’t seem to fit into your world view where everyone comes to the same conclusions as you do. That happens all the time in life. Give 10 people the same 10 pieces of evidence and you’ll get 11 opinions. 

Time to grow up (regardless of your age) and learn to accept that there are other viewpoints than your own and most are just as valid as your viewpoint. 

*Salutes*

Well done, good man/woman! Your post embodies my feelings almost eerily correct! I tip my hat to you, good sir/maa'm!

[Rosewind]

lex0r11 wrote...

arc_gabriel_ wrote...

Someone say cookie? =D

Lol I honestly dont feel like cookies today.

[waldstr18]

Tirian Thorn wrote...

Wald,
I am so sick on your negative attitude and your smug superiority. If everything is so obvious to you with your “clearly” superior brain power, then why don’t you go out and cure cancer?

You say this is a game and wonder why we’re discussing it and you completely miss the fact that it IS a game and it’s supposed to fun! Well, we’re having fun discussing a theory. What is so wrong about that? It’s our lives, our time and it’s what we want to do. It shouldn’t affect you in the least.

So sorry, if this offends your sensibilities. 

If IT is proven true, do we all get to send you messages and get to call you stupid for NOT believing it? That would be fair right, since you’ve posted on numerous occasions that that is exactly what you’re going to do should IT be proven wrong?

Well, I’m not interested in that. I want a good ending to a great series – whether that is IT or not doesn’t matter to me.

But you roll in here for no other reason than to cause trouble and rag on everyone here for not being more like you. Guess what pal, I’m glad I’m not like you. I’m glad I can be open-minded and not ridicule people who don’t come to the same conclusions I do. It’s fine that you don’t agree with me, it’s even fine that you say that. But for you to tell me what is true or not based on no direct evidence is laughable. Because as of now, there is NO DIRECT EVIDENCE THAT IT IS TRUE OR FALSE. NONE. Deal with it. 

It’s a theory - one that many of us here like to discuss and have fun discussing it. But this doesn’t seem to fit into your world view where everyone comes to the same conclusions as you do. That happens all the time in life. Give 10 people the same 10 pieces of evidence and you’ll get 11 opinions. 

Time to grow up (regardless of your age) and learn to accept that there are other viewpoints than your own and most are just as valid as your viewpoint. 

i said (even today) you are all welcome to make fun of me if it turns out im wrong.

also you should be glad you are not like me, the last guy who tried got institutionalized. no joke. dont worry, hes fine now. but let that be a warning to you. dont be a like me. looks fun but its hard to pull off. hmm.. or maybe i just have more luck than others.

edit: oh, i totally forgot. i have to thank you, tirian thorn. thanks a lot.

Modifié par waldstr18, 11 mai 2012 - 03:40 .

[DirtyPhoenix]

EpyonX3 wrote...

marcelo_sdk wrote...


Again that? Well, at first, Shepard was not using a simple space suit. He was wearing a combat armor, equipped with kinetic barriers and high-resistant material. That saved him to being desintegrated in re-entry, but we know he was already dead. We know, as Jacob says, he was not more than flesh and bones. So, as most people who don't like the Lazarus Project try to state, Shepard was not intact when he was recovered.

The brain was not totally intact, he was just in a salvageable state (much scientists of Cerberus tought differently at the time), and was reconstructed with the help of implants (now, people must know this is sci-fi. But this kind of technology is not so unreal). 

Plus, the planet had lower gravity. So, I think it's very acceptable if we know it is, as I said, a sci-fi.

But a man falling in Earth with common cloathes, exactly inside a tiny space between rubbles and surviver, this is space magic or anything else you want to call it.

This is actually my point. It's unreal for a brain to be rebuilt with implants, but acceptable because it's sci-fi. However, Shepard surviving an explosion on a station that potentially provides protection from these hazards is unacceptable.

If body armor can resist the temperatures of reentry, how does shepard even get hurt by thermal bullets?

Because it would be a very bad videogame where you cannot die xD

[estebanus]

Rosewind wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

arc_gabriel_ wrote...

Someone say cookie? =D

Lol I honestly dont feel like cookies today.

How can you not feel like cookies?! Cookies is something you can have any day and everyday, no matter what yor mood is!!!

BURN, HERETIC, BURN!!! BURN!!! BUUUUURRRRRNNNNN!!!!!!

/sarcasm, of cou^_^rse!

[dreamgazer]

General rule of thumb regarding provocateurs:



"Keep absolutely still, his vision's based on movement."

[lex0r11]

Let's stop asking Wald anything. Every request for clarification is met with a meaningless phrase and he will keep avoiding giving a good reason to be here. Making fun of everything while doing it.


social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/9727423/2214#11992797
See his post an decide if it's worth a report.

Going out to eat, see you guys later.

Modifié par lex0r11, 11 mai 2012 - 03:43 .

[Tirian Thorn]

DJBare wrote...

Seriously, I find it extremely difficult to have a discussion in this thread because people keep responding to Wald, you are as bad as wald!

I generally agree and it's madening how much time is spent here arguing with trolls. 

I can personally do a better job ignoring them.