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[Unschuld]

SS2Dante wrote...

IF IT is true, I can guarantee you a LOT of people are going to be replaying the game and thinking "How did they get away with this!?"

I think they'd (the negative nancys) be so livid over the realization that they'd been tricked that they'd rage by saying the ending is even worse, indoctrination doesn't make sense, and that Bioware just pulled indoctrination theory out of their ass by ripping a fanfiction idea off the forum because they couldn't possibly have come up with it by themselves. Then they'll say that Bioware is horrible and dead to them and stay on BSN ****ing about it for the next few years.

Let's see if my predictions are true. 

[EpyonX3]

SS2Dante wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

How did you do it wrong?

It could be, but that's ANOTHER odd glitch in the ending sequence. What about the gun being invisible in the Crucible cutscenes? Glitch too?

Forgot that it had to be loaded from the autosave.

That I felt was intended. Which is weird but I guess since they did away with holstering your gun they couldn't really put it anywhere, so they mad the gun go bye bye for a bit.

But in the previous scene they make an explicit point to show him finding his gun again and picking it up, he even looks at it like it looks wierd to him or something. Why focus on his gun so hard for two scenes just to forget about it in the 3rd.

Needed something for him to do while he talked to anderson? Inspecting the gun for damage?

It's like where does the gun go after TIM's conversation?

Also if you look at Shep's hand while he's talking to the kid, his hand is formed as if he's holding a gun, but there's no gun in the hand. Why did bioware remove the gun from his hand? I can see it being a glitch but some one would have noticed that during testing.

I can't really see it being intentional either since the child can't die by gun shot and you already have unlimited ammo. IT would work with or without the gun being there.

The invisible gun - that's what we mean. If the gun IS a symbol of your fighting the Indoctrination then at each level of the dream it's shown to be less prominent, culminating in it being invisible for a cutscene. It's then featured as the way to trigger destroy, while in control AND synthesis Shep tosses it away.

So each scene were the reapers live, Shepard stops fighting them and either joins them or controls them. I see the symbolism there. But it still doesn't mean he was imagining it.

I see this being similar to how Shepard throws the gun that Mordin gave him away.

On, I'm not claiming it as proof or anything, simply pointing out that it's another oddity IT explains. 

Me just reading the symbols assuming IT.

That's fair.

[EpyonX3]

SS2Dante wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

HyperGlass wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

HyperGlass wrote...

What was the reponse to Jessica's twitter post saying Shep was on the Citadel and re-entry didn't occure?
Can I guess it was because that was the end of the dream?

SHe corrected herself later and said it was her belief, so it shouldn't be confirmation or anything.

That's a relief. You can't wake up in an area which was blown apart and being burned in the process. Seriously: why did Shepard walk towards the explosion in the destroy ending it is unessisary!

A. I don't think he was expecting to live anyway

B. He looks like a BAUS struttin' like that.

C. Notice how he stop's limping?

He stops limping in Synthesis too.

By the way, synthesis. We've all agreed that it's the worst?

I'm sorry, but I can't believe that when you do Synthesis you actually fall. Literally fall. It's amazing

IF IT is true, I can guarantee you a LOT of people are going to be replaying the game and thinking "How did they get away with this!?"

Just thought of something when reading your comment. Shouldn't you wake up flailing your arms and legs when fall in your dream?

Would have been great to see that after the Synthesis ending.

[balance5050]

EpyonX3 wrote...

The thing is that that area may have been protected by a kinetic barrier, the same barriers that are claimed to help him survive re-entry. Also, there's no reaso why the Citadel would fall from orbit, espscially so rapidly. so the same barries that protected him could still be active.

There was debris so it couldn't have been protected.

Modifié par balance5050, 11 mai 2012 - 07:36 .

[Daryslash]

balance5050 wrote...

Daryslash wrote...

I consider that as a "joke", specially considering the character himself. James provides a lot of funny sequences in conversations.

My second point was: if James served in the Normandy for ages, he's been hearing the reaper tech for ages, since the first time he boarded the ship actually. (Note: he can ask about the hum the first time ever you talk to him in the shuttle deck) Why would he think it is abnormal?

Exactly, he's funny, but the line isn't funny.

I think it's time we moved on from this cause you don't seem to be able to interpret it any way other than "It was a joke"

I think the line was funny.

You see, I'm not saying James wanted to make a joke, let me make that clear. It was a "joke" in a sense that James got intrigued, whatever the reason, because of a simple engine noise, and asked Shepard about it. It was funny for me. Not that I laughed my ass off, but it was a kind of "entertaining", "relaxation" moment.

But ok, moving on.

[HyperGlass]

It appears Shepard is falling in Synthesis how dream-like. I guess you must hate everything the child likes. Darn it Sarren should have been the embodiment for that it just feels empty without a nod to the guy who tried to forge an alliance between organics and machines = husks in Synthesis's case.

[Rosewind]

EpyonX3 wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

Tirian Thorn wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

ExtendedCut wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

Anyone else notice that idle c-sec Taurin officers scratch their arses every now and then?

My ass would probably be itchy too if I wore heavy combat armor 24/7.

I'm Garrus Vakarian and this is my rectum!

I'm Garrus' complete lack of surprise. 

And I am Jacks delight at the reference.

"Steak, Liara. I think about Steak. I F**cking love Steak!"

"Shepard, are you ready to be a woman?"

"We'll Bang! Ok?"

[EpyonX3]

Unschuld wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

IF IT is true, I can guarantee you a LOT of people are going to be replaying the game and thinking "How did they get away with this!?"

I think they'd (the negative nancys) be so livid over the realization that they'd been tricked that they'd rage by saying the ending is even worse, indoctrination doesn't make sense, and that Bioware just pulled indoctrination theory out of their ass by ripping a fanfiction idea off the forum because they couldn't possibly have come up with it by themselves. Then they'll say that Bioware is horrible and dead to them and stay on BSN ****ing about it for the next few years.

Let's see if my predictions are true. 

I'd say they did worse than the original ending if the reapers are alive and they end up winning in any case you pick.

Only then will your choices not matter at all.

But if they do go with IT, I hope they can at least do it right.

[EpyonX3]

Rosewind wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

Tirian Thorn wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

ExtendedCut wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

Anyone else notice that idle c-sec Taurin officers scratch their arses every now and then?

My ass would probably be itchy too if I wore heavy combat armor 24/7.

I'm Garrus Vakarian and this is my rectum!

I'm Garrus' complete lack of surprise. 

And I am Jacks delight at the reference.

"Steak, Liara. I think about Steak. I F**cking love Steak!"

"Shepard, are you ready to be a woman?"

"We'll Bang! Ok?"

"I just wanted to bang you....I'll come back when you're feeling better."

[MaximizedAction]

EpyonX3 wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

HyperGlass wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

HyperGlass wrote...

What was the reponse to Jessica's twitter post saying Shep was on the Citadel and re-entry didn't occure?
Can I guess it was because that was the end of the dream?

SHe corrected herself later and said it was her belief, so it shouldn't be confirmation or anything.

That's a relief. You can't wake up in an area which was blown apart and being burned in the process. Seriously: why did Shepard walk towards the explosion in the destroy ending it is unessisary!

A. I don't think he was expecting to live anyway

B. He looks like a BAUS struttin' like that.

C. Notice how he stop's limping?

He stops limping in Synthesis too.

By the way, synthesis. We've all agreed that it's the worst?

I'm sorry, but I can't believe that when you do Synthesis you actually fall. Literally fall. It's amazing

IF IT is true, I can guarantee you a LOT of people are going to be replaying the game and thinking "How did they get away with this!?"

Just thought of something when reading your comment. Shouldn't you wake up flailing your arms and legs when fall in your dream?

Would have been great to see that after the Synthesis ending.

That'd be just as unambiguous/revealing as having someone mention a hum in an otherwise quiet part of the ship.

[EpyonX3]

balance5050 wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

The thing is that that area may have been protected by a kinetic barrier, the same barriers that are claimed to help him survive re-entry. Also, there's no reaso why the Citadel would fall from orbit, espscially so rapidly. so the same barries that protected him could still be active.

There was debris so it couldn't have been protected.

Low probability but it could have missed him, just like all of the debris from sovereign's leg, and other lethal parts missed him in ME 1.

[balance5050]

EpyonX3 wrote...

Unschuld wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

IF IT is true, I can guarantee you a LOT of people are going to be replaying the game and thinking "How did they get away with this!?"

I think they'd (the negative nancys) be so livid over the realization that they'd been tricked that they'd rage by saying the ending is even worse, indoctrination doesn't make sense, and that Bioware just pulled indoctrination theory out of their ass by ripping a fanfiction idea off the forum because they couldn't possibly have come up with it by themselves. Then they'll say that Bioware is horrible and dead to them and stay on BSN ****ing about it for the next few years.

Let's see if my predictions are true. 

I'd say they did worse than the original ending if the reapers are alive and they end up winning in any case you pick.

Only then will your choices not matter at all.

But if they do go with IT, I hope they can at least do it right.

The differnece between destroy and the other 2 is that the reapers bodies are preserved in both control and synthesis.

[Daryslash]

ExtendedCut wrote...

Daryslash wrote...


I've been asking myself this question, but people seemed too convinced he was in the Normandy before, so...

I only ask because it would seem like the thought that he's hearing some insidious activity of some piece of on-board Reaper tech would make more sense if he is completely new aboard the Normandy.  In other words, Shepard, Joker, Liara, etc, would be less likely to notice the reaper tech "hum" if they are already succumbing to the indoc process by having been onboard before.

Yeah, but it also makes more sense to the "I've never heard the Normandy's engine before" idea.

Anyway, let's drop this subject. For now, at least.

[EpyonX3]

MaximizedAction wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

HyperGlass wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

HyperGlass wrote...

What was the reponse to Jessica's twitter post saying Shep was on the Citadel and re-entry didn't occure?
Can I guess it was because that was the end of the dream?

SHe corrected herself later and said it was her belief, so it shouldn't be confirmation or anything.

That's a relief. You can't wake up in an area which was blown apart and being burned in the process. Seriously: why did Shepard walk towards the explosion in the destroy ending it is unessisary!

A. I don't think he was expecting to live anyway

B. He looks like a BAUS struttin' like that.

C. Notice how he stop's limping?

He stops limping in Synthesis too.

By the way, synthesis. We've all agreed that it's the worst?

I'm sorry, but I can't believe that when you do Synthesis you actually fall. Literally fall. It's amazing

IF IT is true, I can guarantee you a LOT of people are going to be replaying the game and thinking "How did they get away with this!?"

Just thought of something when reading your comment. Shouldn't you wake up flailing your arms and legs when fall in your dream?

Would have been great to see that after the Synthesis ending.

That'd be just as unambiguous/revealing as having someone mention a hum in an otherwise quiet part of the ship.

The hanger is suprisingly load actually. Why is it so load in there?

[estebanus]

Rosewind wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

Tirian Thorn wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

ExtendedCut wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

Anyone else notice that idle c-sec Taurin officers scratch their arses every now and then?

My ass would probably be itchy too if I wore heavy combat armor 24/7.

I'm Garrus Vakarian and this is my rectum!

I'm Garrus' complete lack of surprise. 

And I am Jacks delight at the reference.

"Steak, Liara. I think about Steak. I F**cking love Steak!"

"Shepard, are you ready to be a woman?"

"We'll Bang! Ok?"

Romantic!

[llbountyhunter]

balance5050 wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

The thing is that that area may have been protected by a kinetic barrier, the same barriers that are claimed to help him survive re-entry. Also, there's no reaso why the Citadel would fall from orbit, espscially so rapidly. so the same barries that protected him could still be active.

There was debris so it couldn't have been protected.

actually I dont even think kinetic barriers help against the air friction of re-entry, they helped shepard survive the impact in me2, but as for the heat, it was his armor+helmet and made sure he didnt get burned to a crisp..... 

[estebanus]

EpyonX3 wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

HyperGlass wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

HyperGlass wrote...

What was the reponse to Jessica's twitter post saying Shep was on the Citadel and re-entry didn't occure?
Can I guess it was because that was the end of the dream?

SHe corrected herself later and said it was her belief, so it shouldn't be confirmation or anything.

That's a relief. You can't wake up in an area which was blown apart and being burned in the process. Seriously: why did Shepard walk towards the explosion in the destroy ending it is unessisary!

A. I don't think he was expecting to live anyway

B. He looks like a BAUS struttin' like that.

C. Notice how he stop's limping?

He stops limping in Synthesis too.

By the way, synthesis. We've all agreed that it's the worst?

I'm sorry, but I can't believe that when you do Synthesis you actually fall. Literally fall. It's amazing

IF IT is true, I can guarantee you a LOT of people are going to be replaying the game and thinking "How did they get away with this!?"

Just thought of something when reading your comment. Shouldn't you wake up flailing your arms and legs when fall in your dream?

Would have been great to see that after the Synthesis ending.

That'd be just as unambiguous/revealing as having someone mention a hum in an otherwise quiet part of the ship.

The hanger is suprisingly load actually. Why is it so load in there?

eerrrmmm... load?

[SS2Dante]

Unschuld wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

IF IT is true, I can guarantee you a LOT of people are going to be replaying the game and thinking "How did they get away with this!?"

I think they'd (the negative nancys) be so livid over the realization that they'd been tricked that they'd rage by saying the ending is even worse, indoctrination doesn't make sense, and that Bioware just pulled indoctrination theory out of their ass by ripping a fanfiction idea off the forum because they couldn't possibly have come up with it by themselves. Then they'll say that Bioware is horrible and dead to them and stay on BSN ****ing about it for the next few years.

Let's see if my predictions are true. 

40% my thing, a VERY loud 60% your way, is my guess. 

[Rosewind]

EpyonX3 wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

Tirian Thorn wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

ExtendedCut wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

Anyone else notice that idle c-sec Taurin officers scratch their arses every now and then?

My ass would probably be itchy too if I wore heavy combat armor 24/7.

I'm Garrus Vakarian and this is my rectum!

I'm Garrus' complete lack of surprise. 

And I am Jacks delight at the reference.

"Steak, Liara. I think about Steak. I F**cking love Steak!"

"Shepard, are you ready to be a woman?"

"We'll Bang! Ok?"

"I just wanted to bang you....I'll come back when you're feeling better."

Shepard: "I'm Commander Shepard, Alliance Drag Queen"  Tali: "That's not a real Queen ... is it?"

[EpyonX3]

balance5050 wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Unschuld wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

IF IT is true, I can guarantee you a LOT of people are going to be replaying the game and thinking "How did they get away with this!?"

I think they'd (the negative nancys) be so livid over the realization that they'd been tricked that they'd rage by saying the ending is even worse, indoctrination doesn't make sense, and that Bioware just pulled indoctrination theory out of their ass by ripping a fanfiction idea off the forum because they couldn't possibly have come up with it by themselves. Then they'll say that Bioware is horrible and dead to them and stay on BSN ****ing about it for the next few years.

Let's see if my predictions are true. 

I'd say they did worse than the original ending if the reapers are alive and they end up winning in any case you pick.

Only then will your choices not matter at all.

But if they do go with IT, I hope they can at least do it right.

The differnece between destroy and the other 2 is that the reapers bodies are preserved in both control and synthesis.

I know but if you never made it to the Citadel, the crucible never docked, meaning the reapers continued as planned and the ending we saw didn't happen in reality.

So bioware's going to have to explain how the reapers were defeated, if at all.

[Unschuld]

EpyonX3 wrote...

Just thought of something when reading your comment. Shouldn't you wake up flailing your arms and legs when fall in your dream?

Would have been great to see that after the Synthesis ending.

I've both elbowed and headbutted my fiancee in the face when waking up from some less than pleasent dreams.

We got a bigger bed.

[SS2Dante]

SS2Dante wrote...

magnetite wrote...

After I finished another playthrough last night, I had noticed that when the Citadel arms open, pieces of debris float into the area where the control panel is. If so, space is a huge vacuum, so if it was real, Shepard, Anderson and the Illusive Man would have been sucked out into Earth's orbit and probably pulled apart limb by limb as soon as those arms opened. There isn't a barrier protecting them.

You know, I noticed that today Thought it was odd but just kinda shrugged it off

Huh. The debris ain't in a youtube vid I just watched. Wonder if it's in the 360 version.

EDIT - spelled debris "debree". Oh dear.

Modifié par SS2Dante, 11 mai 2012 - 07:44 .

[balance5050]

EpyonX3 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

The thing is that that area may have been protected by a kinetic barrier, the same barriers that are claimed to help him survive re-entry. Also, there's no reaso why the Citadel would fall from orbit, espscially so rapidly. so the same barries that protected him could still be active.

There was debris so it couldn't have been protected.

Low probability but it could have missed him, just like all of the debris from sovereign's leg, and other lethal parts missed him in ME 1.

Hes lying at an irregular angle which would lead one to believe that he fell ON TOP of some debris. he's not on a flat surface as we see by his legs tilting up in a diffent direction than his torso.

Modifié par balance5050, 11 mai 2012 - 07:44 .

[SS2Dante]

EpyonX3 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Unschuld wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

IF IT is true, I can guarantee you a LOT of people are going to be replaying the game and thinking "How did they get away with this!?"

I think they'd (the negative nancys) be so livid over the realization that they'd been tricked that they'd rage by saying the ending is even worse, indoctrination doesn't make sense, and that Bioware just pulled indoctrination theory out of their ass by ripping a fanfiction idea off the forum because they couldn't possibly have come up with it by themselves. Then they'll say that Bioware is horrible and dead to them and stay on BSN ****ing about it for the next few years.

Let's see if my predictions are true. 

I'd say they did worse than the original ending if the reapers are alive and they end up winning in any case you pick.

Only then will your choices not matter at all.

But if they do go with IT, I hope they can at least do it right.

The differnece between destroy and the other 2 is that the reapers bodies are preserved in both control and synthesis.

I know but if you never made it to the Citadel, the crucible never docked, meaning the reapers continued as planned and the ending we saw didn't happen in reality.

So bioware's going to have to explain how the reapers were defeated, if at all.

I really hope they don't change/add on anything to control or synthesis at all

Modifié par SS2Dante, 11 mai 2012 - 07:45 .

[Rifneno]

Daryslash wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

Daryslash wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

Wha...we've already answered that. Because he KNOWS what he should be hearing. He's been on the Normandy for ages by this point, not to mention he's been on it, and many other alliance vessels, before. You don't comment on noises that are normal or expected. Therefore this noise is unusual, and he clearly think's it's in his head ("must just be me", or whatever he says).

" Because he KNOWS what he should be hearing"

Does he, now? It's just an assumption.

 "He's been on the Normandy for ages by this point,"

Then he would be hearing the reaper tech for ages. Why wouls he ask when Shepard is aboard, only?

You don't comment on noises that are normal or expected. Therefore this noise is unusual, and he clearly think's it's in his head

That's the funny part. 

...no, that's common sense. Have you ever been on a ship, or aeroplane?

I don't understand your second point.

It's not phrased as funny, and I'd never in a million years have considered that it ws a joke. Nor would most people. Honestly I find "it was an accident" a more likely explanation than "it's a joke".

I consider that as a "joke", specially considering the character himself. James provides a lot of funny sequences in conversations.

My second point was: if James served in the Normandy for ages, he's been hearing the reaper tech for ages, since the first time he boarded the ship actually. (Note: he can ask about the hum the first time ever you talk to him in the shuttle deck) Why would he think it is abnormal?

I think you're misunderstanding the noise.  It's listed with symptoms like headaches.  Have you ever had ringing in your ears?  As a medical condition?  It's most commonly from high blood pressure or excess sodium in your diet.  Some prescriptions cause it too.  It's a low, steady noise that's generally described as a ringing but descriptions vary.  It either comes and goes or your mind filters it most of the time like it would any other low constant noise.  This is the noise they're refering to in the indoctrination codex, not a reference to a mechanical hum of Reaper devices.  I can say that with relative certainty because someone standing next to me commented on it while I was playing Mass Effect 3 and I was surprised they heard it.  I figured it was just my own BP as I often get it, I didn't even realize it was coming from the computer speakers because it was so accurate in its representation.  Since it's interment it's easy to see someone that's not used to it asking if someone else hears it.