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[EpyonX3]

Rosewind wrote...

Shepard: "I'm Commander Shepard, Alliance Drag Queen"  Tali: "That's not a real Queen ... is it?"

Edi: "But when I took of his jeans, I detected a very small anomaly."

Garrus: "Oh, that's nasty."

[TSA_383]

SS2Dante wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

OK, I'm going to settle a point that was brought up a while ago. When SubAstris was here talking about Shepard's resurrection, one point that frequently came up was that he said that there was no way Shepard's brain survived. Well, I'm on Cronos Station, and I just found a video where one of the scientists for Project Lazarus says that Shepard's brain was protected by his helmet. So there you have it, his brain was fine, and his helmet did the work. But Shepard did not have a helmet on on the Citadel before he fell back to Earth. So, basically, score one for IT.

I thought everyone knew this, before the last mission Shepard is even looking at his helmet and says to Liara something like "Checking it for cracks", it was an allusion to his helmet basically saving his brain. They priming the long time fans to start making connections.

No, no, no, balance. Shepard is looking at it and Liara asks what's wrong. Shep then says "I thought I heard the casing crack during that last fight" (Thessia, I think).

 

Way too much focus.

Come on. Symbolism for dummies.

How the HELL did I not notice that?
This is the moment at which Shepard's resolve really starts to falter.

[ExtendedCut]

EpyonX3 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Unschuld wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

IF IT is true, I can guarantee you a LOT of people are going to be replaying the game and thinking "How did they get away with this!?"

I think they'd (the negative nancys) be so livid over the realization that they'd been tricked that they'd rage by saying the ending is even worse, indoctrination doesn't make sense, and that Bioware just pulled indoctrination theory out of their ass by ripping a fanfiction idea off the forum because they couldn't possibly have come up with it by themselves. Then they'll say that Bioware is horrible and dead to them and stay on BSN ****ing about it for the next few years.

Let's see if my predictions are true. 

I'd say they did worse than the original ending if the reapers are alive and they end up winning in any case you pick.

Only then will your choices not matter at all.

But if they do go with IT, I hope they can at least do it right.

The differnece between destroy and the other 2 is that the reapers bodies are preserved in both control and synthesis.

I know but if you never made it to the Citadel, the crucible never docked, meaning the reapers continued as planned and the ending we saw didn't happen in reality.

So bioware's going to have to explain how the reapers were defeated, if at all.

ME4

[llbountyhunter]

EpyonX3 wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

Shepard: "I'm Commander Shepard, Alliance Drag Queen"  Tali: "That's not a real Queen ... is it?"

Edi: "But when I took of his jeans, I detected a very small anomaly."

Garrus: "Oh, that's nasty."

Edi: "and just like that- the magic was gone."

Modifié par llbountyhunter, 11 mai 2012 - 07:48 .

[SS2Dante]

TSA_383 wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

OK, I'm going to settle a point that was brought up a while ago. When SubAstris was here talking about Shepard's resurrection, one point that frequently came up was that he said that there was no way Shepard's brain survived. Well, I'm on Cronos Station, and I just found a video where one of the scientists for Project Lazarus says that Shepard's brain was protected by his helmet. So there you have it, his brain was fine, and his helmet did the work. But Shepard did not have a helmet on on the Citadel before he fell back to Earth. So, basically, score one for IT.

I thought everyone knew this, before the last mission Shepard is even looking at his helmet and says to Liara something like "Checking it for cracks", it was an allusion to his helmet basically saving his brain. They priming the long time fans to start making connections.

No, no, no, balance. Shepard is looking at it and Liara asks what's wrong. Shep then says "I thought I heard the casing crack during that last fight" (Thessia, I think).

 

Way too much focus.

Come on. Symbolism for dummies.

How the HELL did I not notice that?
This is the moment at which Shepard's resolve really starts to falter.

It is after Thessia, right? My memory ain't what it used to be.

[Rifneno]

EpyonX3 wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

Shepard: "I'm Commander Shepard, Alliance Drag Queen"  Tali: "That's not a real Queen ... is it?"

Edi: "But when I took of his jeans, I detected a very small anomaly."

Garrus: "Oh, that's nasty."

Shame on you for not working in "So she had reach too?"

[estebanus]

Unschuld wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

IF IT is true, I can guarantee you a LOT of people are going to be replaying the game and thinking "How did they get away with this!?"

I think they'd (the negative nancys) be so livid over the realization that they'd been tricked that they'd rage by saying the ending is even worse, indoctrination doesn't make sense, and that Bioware just pulled indoctrination theory out of their ass by ripping a fanfiction idea off the forum because they couldn't possibly have come up with it by themselves. Then they'll say that Bioware is horrible and dead to them and stay on BSN ****ing about it for the next few years.

Let's see if my predictions are true. 

It's sad, but I could very easily see this happen.

Thing is, most of BSN are traditionalists. They want the "good old days" back... But that's not the way the world works. If Bioware tries something new, they say "ZOMG BIOWARE HAS SOLD THEIR SOULS!!11!!ONE!", or "Bioware is dead to me!" And so forth.

But what many don't realize, is that traditionalists are, and have always been in the way of progress.
I just hope that most people will accept it, if IT is true.

[llbountyhunter]

llbountyhunter wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

The thing is that that area may have been protected by a kinetic barrier, the same barriers that are claimed to help him survive re-entry. Also, there's no reaso why the Citadel would fall from orbit, espscially so rapidly. so the same barries that protected him could still be active.

There was debris so it couldn't have been protected.

actually I dont even think kinetic barriers help against the air friction of re-entry, they helped shepard survive the impact in me2, but as for the heat, it was his armor+helmet and made sure he didnt get burned to a crisp..... 

[EpyonX3]

llbountyhunter wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

Shepard: "I'm Commander Shepard, Alliance Drag Queen"  Tali: "That's not a real Queen ... is it?"

Edi: "But when I took of his jeans, I detected a very small anomaly."

Garrus: "Oh, that's nasty."

Edi: "and just like that- the magic was gone."

Shepard: "Ok, that's messed up."

[Unschuld]

balance5050 wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

The thing is that that area may have been protected by a kinetic barrier, the same barriers that are claimed to help him survive re-entry. Also, there's no reaso why the Citadel would fall from orbit, espscially so rapidly. so the same barries that protected him could still be active.

There was debris so it couldn't have been protected.

Low probability but it could have missed him, just like all of the debris from sovereign's leg, and other lethal parts missed him in ME 1.

Hes lying at an irregular angle which would lead one to believe that he fell ON TOP of some debris. he's not on a flat surface as we see by his legs tilting up in a diffent direction than his torso.

Wait, are we talking about debris floating into the control room itself after the arms had opened? Because during my entire conversation with Anderson and TIM yesterday there was debris floating around INSIDE the closed citadel... where did that come from? I'm reluctant to point out that it might be a very light check in the box that it's part of Shepard's mind remembering the debris floating around the last time he was in the Citadel with the arms closed, though. Could be nothing.

[balance5050]

SS2Dante wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

OK, I'm going to settle a point that was brought up a while ago. When SubAstris was here talking about Shepard's resurrection, one point that frequently came up was that he said that there was no way Shepard's brain survived. Well, I'm on Cronos Station, and I just found a video where one of the scientists for Project Lazarus says that Shepard's brain was protected by his helmet. So there you have it, his brain was fine, and his helmet did the work. But Shepard did not have a helmet on on the Citadel before he fell back to Earth. So, basically, score one for IT.

I thought everyone knew this, before the last mission Shepard is even looking at his helmet and says to Liara something like "Checking it for cracks", it was an allusion to his helmet basically saving his brain. They priming the long time fans to start making connections.

No, no, no, balance. Shepard is looking at it and Liara asks what's wrong. Shep then says "I thought I heard the casing crack during that last fight" (Thessia, I think).

 

Way too much focus.

Come on. Symbolism for dummies.

Right, I was paraphrasing but my point on it is the same as yours.

[balance5050]

Unschuld wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

The thing is that that area may have been protected by a kinetic barrier, the same barriers that are claimed to help him survive re-entry. Also, there's no reaso why the Citadel would fall from orbit, espscially so rapidly. so the same barries that protected him could still be active.

There was debris so it couldn't have been protected.

Low probability but it could have missed him, just like all of the debris from sovereign's leg, and other lethal parts missed him in ME 1.

Hes lying at an irregular angle which would lead one to believe that he fell ON TOP of some debris. he's not on a flat surface as we see by his legs tilting up in a diffent direction than his torso.

Wait, are we talking about debris floating into the control room itself after the arms had opened? Because during my entire conversation with Anderson and TIM yesterday there was debris floating around INSIDE the closed citadel... where did that come from? I'm reluctant to point out that it might be a very light check in the box that it's part of Shepard's mind remembering the debris floating around the last time he was in the Citadel with the arms closed, though. Could be nothing.

I'm talking about the Shepard Alive scene, and how the concrete debris was already there, and didn't fall on top of you, as Epyon is trying to say. Good point about the vacuum in space though.

Modifié par balance5050, 11 mai 2012 - 07:52 .

[EpyonX3]

SS2Dante wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

OK, I'm going to settle a point that was brought up a while ago. When SubAstris was here talking about Shepard's resurrection, one point that frequently came up was that he said that there was no way Shepard's brain survived. Well, I'm on Cronos Station, and I just found a video where one of the scientists for Project Lazarus says that Shepard's brain was protected by his helmet. So there you have it, his brain was fine, and his helmet did the work. But Shepard did not have a helmet on on the Citadel before he fell back to Earth. So, basically, score one for IT.

I thought everyone knew this, before the last mission Shepard is even looking at his helmet and says to Liara something like "Checking it for cracks", it was an allusion to his helmet basically saving his brain. They priming the long time fans to start making connections.

No, no, no, balance. Shepard is looking at it and Liara asks what's wrong. Shep then says "I thought I heard the casing crack during that last fight" (Thessia, I think).

 

Way too much focus.

Come on. Symbolism for dummies.

How the HELL did I not notice that?
This is the moment at which Shepard's resolve really starts to falter.

It is after Thessia, right? My memory ain't what it used to be.

Just before going to TIM's base. They don't reference the mission because he could go through some side missions before he goes.

It's the scene where Shepard and Liara...well...

[Daryslash]

Rifneno wrote...

Daryslash wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

Daryslash wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

Wha...we've already answered that. Because he KNOWS what he should be hearing. He's been on the Normandy for ages by this point, not to mention he's been on it, and many other alliance vessels, before. You don't comment on noises that are normal or expected. Therefore this noise is unusual, and he clearly think's it's in his head ("must just be me", or whatever he says).

" Because he KNOWS what he should be hearing"

Does he, now? It's just an assumption.

 "He's been on the Normandy for ages by this point,"

Then he would be hearing the reaper tech for ages. Why wouls he ask when Shepard is aboard, only?

You don't comment on noises that are normal or expected. Therefore this noise is unusual, and he clearly think's it's in his head

That's the funny part. 

...no, that's common sense. Have you ever been on a ship, or aeroplane?

I don't understand your second point.

It's not phrased as funny, and I'd never in a million years have considered that it ws a joke. Nor would most people. Honestly I find "it was an accident" a more likely explanation than "it's a joke".

I consider that as a "joke", specially considering the character himself. James provides a lot of funny sequences in conversations.

My second point was: if James served in the Normandy for ages, he's been hearing the reaper tech for ages, since the first time he boarded the ship actually. (Note: he can ask about the hum the first time ever you talk to him in the shuttle deck) Why would he think it is abnormal?

I think you're misunderstanding the noise.  It's listed with symptoms like headaches.  Have you ever had ringing in your ears?  As a medical condition?  It's most commonly from high blood pressure or excess sodium in your diet.  Some prescriptions cause it too.  It's a low, steady noise that's generally described as a ringing but descriptions vary.  It either comes and goes or your mind filters it most of the time like it would any other low constant noise.  This is the noise they're refering to in the indoctrination codex, not a reference to a mechanical hum of Reaper devices.  I can say that with relative certainty because someone standing next to me commented on it while I was playing Mass Effect 3 and I was surprised they heard it.  I figured it was just my own BP as I often get it, I didn't even realize it was coming from the computer speakers because it was so accurate in its representation.  Since it's interment it's easy to see someone that's not used to it asking if someone else hears it.

Exactly! 

I wasn't even certain people were talking about it being the noise of a reaper tech or the noise of indoctrination itself. If you go back some posts, (lots of) you will see it the confusion.

If it is clear it is not the ID noise, what exactly points out to it being the noise of some Reaper device, other than the fact it is abnormal do James? It can be strange to him for a number of reasons, including the simple fact he's never been in the Normandy before.

[Hawk227]

You know how prior to the end, you always had two teammates giving you the pros and cons of a particular decision. Kaidan wanted to melt down the Rachni, Liara thought they deserved another chance. I'm thinking that the dialogue all throughout ME3 is acting as that "this is what your trusted allies think" input. Anderson and Hackett keep telling you this war is won with dead Reapers. I just talked to Samara on the Citadel and she said these two things in response to Shepard asking advice for fighting the Reapers:

"Only our resolve can carry us through this, Shepard. Your's cannot waver."

"Treat the Reapers as you would any enemy. Show them no Quarter, Mercy, or Weakness."

She's reminding you that destroy is the endgame, and not to second guess that. If picking control and synthesis aren't showing Quarter, Mercy, or Weakness, I don't know what is.

PS: Epyon, it was an 8+km wide fireball that tore apart the presidium and "left Shepard in a pile of rubble". No way that area is protected and he's a live.

[ExtendedCut]

Daryslash wrote...

ExtendedCut wrote...

Daryslash wrote...


I've been asking myself this question, but people seemed too convinced he was in the Normandy before, so...

I only ask because it would seem like the thought that he's hearing some insidious activity of some piece of on-board Reaper tech would make more sense if he is completely new aboard the Normandy.  In other words, Shepard, Joker, Liara, etc, would be less likely to notice the reaper tech "hum" if they are already succumbing to the indoc process by having been onboard before.

Yeah, but it also makes more sense to the "I've never heard the Normandy's engine before" idea.

Anyway, let's drop this subject. For now, at least.

Yeah, who knows?  It's just like the "moving walls" in the Citadel at the end, near the chasm - why are those put in there?  When Shepard looks at them, they move, but it seems to have no bearing on anything that happens, so why put them in there?  Are they something?  Is the "hum" something?  Or are we just overanalyzing everything to death?

[TSA_383]

I'm about to build my next gaming PC - I'm doing a desk build, that is, I'm building a wooden computer desk with a glass top, and laying all of the hardware into the desk so that it appears under the glass. Theme is red/black at the minute, and it'll be watercooled if possible - thinking of doing a split rad design so I can run two colours of UV reactive fluid, one for the CPU/motherboard loop and one for the graphics cards.

Any thoughts on cool ME3 stuff to incorporate? It's occured to me that since it's black/red I could do an N7 somewhere

estebanus wrote...

Unschuld wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

IF IT is true, I can guarantee you a LOT of people are going to be replaying the game and thinking "How did they get away with this!?"

I think they'd (the negative nancys) be so livid over the realization that they'd been tricked that they'd rage by saying the ending is even worse, indoctrination doesn't make sense, and that Bioware just pulled indoctrination theory out of their ass by ripping a fanfiction idea off the forum because they couldn't possibly have come up with it by themselves. Then they'll say that Bioware is horrible and dead to them and stay on BSN ****ing about it for the next few years.

Let's see if my predictions are true. 

It's sad, but I could very easily see this happen.

Thing is, most of BSN are traditionalists. They want the "good old days" back... But that's not the way the world works. If Bioware tries something new, they say "ZOMG BIOWARE HAS SOLD THEIR SOULS!!11!!ONE!", or "Bioware is dead to me!" And so forth.

But what many don't realize, is that traditionalists are, and have always been in the way of progress.
I just hope that most people will accept it, if IT is true.

To be honest, trying to hold an intelligent conversation with some of the people on this forum has lead me to conclude that they'll likely presume that Bioware took the idea from the fans, rather than the other way around.

I, however, plan on spending a day doing a very substantial amount of gloating.

[ghostz82]

To, Balance5050

The boy also tells shepard how he is not fully human and has implants and so on which makes him you know partly whats the word i'm looking for lets see partly synthetic.When he explains the synthesis choice he tells shepard all this how humans rely on implants and how shepard isn't fully human himself go on you tube and watch the synthesis ending over again you'll see what i'm talking about I don't remember it word for word but it's more less the way i'm saying it.

[balance5050]

TSA_383 wrote...

I'm about to build my next gaming PC - I'm doing a desk build, that is, I'm building a wooden computer desk with a glass top, and laying all of the hardware into the desk so that it appears under the glass. Theme is red/black at the minute, and it'll be watercooled if possible - thinking of doing a split rad design so I can run two colours of UV reactive fluid, one for the CPU/motherboard loop and one for the graphics cards.

Any thoughts on cool ME3 stuff to incorporate? It's occured to me that since it's black/red I could do an N7 somewhere

estebanus wrote...

Unschuld wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

IF IT is true, I can guarantee you a LOT of people are going to be replaying the game and thinking "How did they get away with this!?"

I think they'd (the negative nancys) be so livid over the realization that they'd been tricked that they'd rage by saying the ending is even worse, indoctrination doesn't make sense, and that Bioware just pulled indoctrination theory out of their ass by ripping a fanfiction idea off the forum because they couldn't possibly have come up with it by themselves. Then they'll say that Bioware is horrible and dead to them and stay on BSN ****ing about it for the next few years.

Let's see if my predictions are true. 

It's sad, but I could very easily see this happen.

Thing is, most of BSN are traditionalists. They want the "good old days" back... But that's not the way the world works. If Bioware tries something new, they say "ZOMG BIOWARE HAS SOLD THEIR SOULS!!11!!ONE!", or "Bioware is dead to me!" And so forth.

But what many don't realize, is that traditionalists are, and have always been in the way of progress.
I just hope that most people will accept it, if IT is true.

To be honest, trying to hold an intelligent conversation with some of the people on this forum has lead me to conclude that they'll likely presume that Bioware took the idea from the fans, rather than the other way around.

I, however, plan on spending a day doing a very substantial amount of gloating.

Considering most IT'ers know that indoctrination is a bioware creation....

Anyway, in their eyes it will be like a real world inception, it was biowares idea to get us to write this thing for them.

Modifié par balance5050, 11 mai 2012 - 07:58 .

[Daryslash]

ExtendedCut wrote...

Daryslash wrote...

ExtendedCut wrote...

Daryslash wrote...


I've been asking myself this question, but people seemed too convinced he was in the Normandy before, so...

I only ask because it would seem like the thought that he's hearing some insidious activity of some piece of on-board Reaper tech would make more sense if he is completely new aboard the Normandy.  In other words, Shepard, Joker, Liara, etc, would be less likely to notice the reaper tech "hum" if they are already succumbing to the indoc process by having been onboard before.

Yeah, but it also makes more sense to the "I've never heard the Normandy's engine before" idea.

Anyway, let's drop this subject. For now, at least.

Yeah, who knows?  It's just like the "moving walls" in the Citadel at the end, near the chasm - why are those put in there?  When Shepard looks at them, they move, but it seems to have no bearing on anything that happens, so why put them in there?  Are they something?  Is the "hum" something?  Or are we just overanalyzing everything to death?

As desperate as we are for a better ending, for some meaning to all the nonsense following Harbinger's beam, I think we're inclined to try and analyze every little thing we can find.

[TSA_383]

ghostz82 wrote...

To, Balance5050

The boy also tells shepard how he is not fully human and has implants and so on which makes him you know partly whats the word i'm looking for lets see partly synthetic.When he explains the synthesis choice he tells shepard all this how humans rely on implants and how shepard isn't fully human himself go on you tube and watch the synthesis ending over again you'll see what i'm talking about I don't remember it word for word but it's more less the way i'm saying it.

So let's look at the other major proponents of Synthesis throughout the series...

-The Illusive Man is the most obvious example from ME3... he was a big fan.
-Saren from ME1 was also a fairly major proponent
-Miranda's father

A fun bunch...

[Dwailing]

Daryslash wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Daryslash wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

Daryslash wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

Wha...we've already answered that. Because he KNOWS what he should be hearing. He's been on the Normandy for ages by this point, not to mention he's been on it, and many other alliance vessels, before. You don't comment on noises that are normal or expected. Therefore this noise is unusual, and he clearly think's it's in his head ("must just be me", or whatever he says).

" Because he KNOWS what he should be hearing"

Does he, now? It's just an assumption.

 "He's been on the Normandy for ages by this point,"

Then he would be hearing the reaper tech for ages. Why wouls he ask when Shepard is aboard, only?

You don't comment on noises that are normal or expected. Therefore this noise is unusual, and he clearly think's it's in his head

That's the funny part. 

...no, that's common sense. Have you ever been on a ship, or aeroplane?

I don't understand your second point.

It's not phrased as funny, and I'd never in a million years have considered that it ws a joke. Nor would most people. Honestly I find "it was an accident" a more likely explanation than "it's a joke".

I consider that as a "joke", specially considering the character himself. James provides a lot of funny sequences in conversations.

My second point was: if James served in the Normandy for ages, he's been hearing the reaper tech for ages, since the first time he boarded the ship actually. (Note: he can ask about the hum the first time ever you talk to him in the shuttle deck) Why would he think it is abnormal?

I think you're misunderstanding the noise.  It's listed with symptoms like headaches.  Have you ever had ringing in your ears?  As a medical condition?  It's most commonly from high blood pressure or excess sodium in your diet.  Some prescriptions cause it too.  It's a low, steady noise that's generally described as a ringing but descriptions vary.  It either comes and goes or your mind filters it most of the time like it would any other low constant noise.  This is the noise they're refering to in the indoctrination codex, not a reference to a mechanical hum of Reaper devices.  I can say that with relative certainty because someone standing next to me commented on it while I was playing Mass Effect 3 and I was surprised they heard it.  I figured it was just my own BP as I often get it, I didn't even realize it was coming from the computer speakers because it was so accurate in its representation.  Since it's interment it's easy to see someone that's not used to it asking if someone else hears it.

Exactly! 

I wasn't even certain people were talking about it being the noise of a reaper tech or the noise of indoctrination itself. If you go back some posts, (lots of) you will see it the confusion.

If it is clear it is not the ID noise, what exactly points out to it being the noise of some Reaper device, other than the fact it is abnormal do James? It can be strange to him for a number of reasons, including the simple fact he's never been in the Normandy before.

But like I said before, he HAS been on the Normandy before.  Have you ever read the Mass Effect: Conviction mini comic?  Google it, and you'll see why I say that James has been there before.  If it was the engine and he hadn't noticed it before, I would be surprised.

Modifié par Dwailing, 11 mai 2012 - 07:59 .

[balance5050]

ghostz82 wrote...

To, Balance5050

The boy also tells shepard how he is not fully human and has implants and so on which makes him you know partly whats the word i'm looking for lets see partly synthetic.When he explains the synthesis choice he tells shepard all this how humans rely on implants and how shepard isn't fully human himself go on you tube and watch the synthesis ending over again you'll see what i'm talking about I don't remember it word for word but it's more less the way i'm saying it.

I know the conversation, what's your point?

[DJBare]

EpyonX3 wrote...

The thing is that that area may have been protected by a kinetic barrier, the same barriers that are claimed to help him survive re-entry. Also, there's no reaso why the Citadel would fall from orbit, espscially so rapidly. so the same barries that protected him could still be active.

The same kinectic barrier that prevented Shepards armor being burnt off?, if he is falling through the atmosphere kinetic barriers will not prevent the temperature rise due to friction, kinetic barriers only prevent high velocity impacts, and if Shepard is still on the citadel, again it's the same thing, the kinectic barrier may well prevent impact from the explosion, but it's not going to stop the heat.

While I'm here, does anyone else get this in their game?, Hackett seems to forget the word "citadel"
www.youtube.com/watch

Modifié par DJBare, 11 mai 2012 - 08:04 .

[EpyonX3]

Hawk227 wrote...

PS: Epyon, it was an 8+km wide fireball that tore apart the presidium and "left Shepard in a pile of rubble". No way that area is protected and he's a live.

Just like no way a suit that can't direct fire without barriers protect Shepard from the temperatures of re-entry.