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[Unschuld]

Hawk227 wrote...

You know how prior to the end, you always had two teammates giving you the pros and cons of a particular decision. Kaidan wanted to melt down the Rachni, Liara thought they deserved another chance. I'm thinking that the dialogue all throughout ME3 is acting as that "this is what your trusted allies think" input. Anderson and Hackett keep telling you this war is won with dead Reapers. I just talked to Samara on the Citadel and she said these two things in response to Shepard asking advice for fighting the Reapers:

"Only our resolve can carry us through this, Shepard. Your's cannot waver."

"Treat the Reapers as you would any enemy. Show them no Quarter, Mercy, or Weakness."

She's reminding you that destroy is the endgame, and not to second guess that. If picking control and synthesis aren't showing Quarter, Mercy, or Weakness, I don't know what is.

PS: Epyon, it was an 8+km wide fireball that tore apart the presidium and "left Shepard in a pile of rubble". No way that area is protected and he's a live.

On the same note, someone posted something about the Liara romance scene a while ago (referring to the "crack" in the helmet). That got me thinking a bit. Along your line of discussion, in the Tali romance scene there's a dialogue that goes comething like:

Shepard: Is that how we survive? Adapting?
Tali: To a cold or interspecies contact? Yes. To the Reapers? No.

I think Synthesis draws a parallel with that. Another check in the box for your allies convincing you that destroying the reapers is the best option. Take it as you will.

[Unschuld]

TSA_383 wrote...

I, however, plan on spending a day doing a very substantial amount of gloating.

 

Humble pie for everyone!

But don't start baking one yet, it might fall flat.

Modifié par Unschuld, 11 mai 2012 - 08:06 .

[EpyonX3]

DJBare wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

The thing is that that area may have been protected by a kinetic barrier, the same barriers that are claimed to help him survive re-entry. Also, there's no reaso why the Citadel would fall from orbit, espscially so rapidly. so the same barries that protected him could still be active.

The same kinectic barrier that prevented Shepards armor being burnt off?, if he is falling through the atmosphere kinetic barriers will not prevent the temperature rise due to friction, kinetic barriers only prevent high velocity impacts, and if Shepard is still on the citadel, again it's the same thing, the kinectic barrier may well prevent impact from the explosion, but it's not going to stop the heat.

While I'm here, does anyone else get this in there game?, Hackett seems to forget the word "citadel"
www.youtube.com/watch

Ahh, I see. That explains the friction I'm having with you guys. Thanks.

So Kinetic barriers would prevent debris from outside the explosiong from striking Shepard, but the heat from the big blast would have killed him. I get it now.

Well, I just going to have to "find a new solution."

[estebanus]

DJBare wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

The thing is that that area may have been protected by a kinetic barrier, the same barriers that are claimed to help him survive re-entry. Also, there's no reaso why the Citadel would fall from orbit, espscially so rapidly. so the same barries that protected him could still be active.

The same kinectic barrier that prevented Shepards armor being burnt off?, if he is falling through the atmosphere kinetic barriers will not prevent the temperature rise due to friction, kinetic barriers only prevent high velocity impacts, and if Shepard is still on the citadel, again it's the same thing, the kinectic barrier may well prevent impact from the explosion, but it's not going to stop the heat.

While I'm here, does anyone else get this in their game?, Hackett seems to forget the word "citadel"
www.youtube.com/watch

I think that's just a bug or a failure in sound transmitting. Hackett always says everything in my playthroughs.

[TSA_383]

Unschuld wrote...

Hawk227 wrote...

You know how prior to the end, you always had two teammates giving you the pros and cons of a particular decision. Kaidan wanted to melt down the Rachni, Liara thought they deserved another chance. I'm thinking that the dialogue all throughout ME3 is acting as that "this is what your trusted allies think" input. Anderson and Hackett keep telling you this war is won with dead Reapers. I just talked to Samara on the Citadel and she said these two things in response to Shepard asking advice for fighting the Reapers:

"Only our resolve can carry us through this, Shepard. Your's cannot waver."

"Treat the Reapers as you would any enemy. Show them no Quarter, Mercy, or Weakness."

She's reminding you that destroy is the endgame, and not to second guess that. If picking control and synthesis aren't showing Quarter, Mercy, or Weakness, I don't know what is.

PS: Epyon, it was an 8+km wide fireball that tore apart the presidium and "left Shepard in a pile of rubble". No way that area is protected and he's a live.

On the same note, someone posted something about the Liara romance scene a while ago (referring to the "crack" in the helmet). That got me thinking a bit. Along your line of discussion, in the Tali romance scene there's a dialogue that goes comething like:

Shepard: Is that how we survive? Adapting?
Tali: To a cold or interspecies contact? Yes. To the Reapers? No.

I think Synthesis draws a parallel with that. Another check in the box for your allies convincing you that destroying the reapers is the best option. Take it as you will.

Iiiinteresting.
That's certainly a "**** you synthesis"

Now we just need to find out if Ashley/Garrus/Kaidan say anything remotely useful.

[balance5050]

EpyonX3 wrote...

Hawk227 wrote...

PS: Epyon, it was an 8+km wide fireball that tore apart the presidium and "left Shepard in a pile of rubble". No way that area is protected and he's a live.

Just like no way a suit that can't direct fire without barriers protect Shepard from the temperatures of re-entry.

Exactly, they protect against impact not heat.

[Unschuld]

DJBare wrote...

While I'm here, does anyone else get this in their game?, Hackett seems to forget the word "citadel"
www.youtube.com/watch

THIS annoyed the CRAP out of me. Several conversations seemed to fade out like that in my game. I really do hope it's just a glitch, or that the EC/Something will open up the rest of the dialogue.

[estebanus]

TSA_383 wrote...

I'm about to build my next gaming PC - I'm doing a desk build, that is, I'm building a wooden computer desk with a glass top, and laying all of the hardware into the desk so that it appears under the glass. Theme is red/black at the minute, and it'll be watercooled if possible - thinking of doing a split rad design so I can run two colours of UV reactive fluid, one for the CPU/motherboard loop and one for the graphics cards.

Any thoughts on cool ME3 stuff to incorporate? It's occured to me that since it's black/red I could do an N7 somewhere

estebanus wrote...

Unschuld wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

IF IT is true, I can guarantee you a LOT of people are going to be replaying the game and thinking "How did they get away with this!?"

I think they'd (the negative nancys) be so livid over the realization that they'd been tricked that they'd rage by saying the ending is even worse, indoctrination doesn't make sense, and that Bioware just pulled indoctrination theory out of their ass by ripping a fanfiction idea off the forum because they couldn't possibly have come up with it by themselves. Then they'll say that Bioware is horrible and dead to them and stay on BSN ****ing about it for the next few years.

Let's see if my predictions are true. 

It's sad, but I could very easily see this happen.

Thing is, most of BSN are traditionalists. They want the "good old days" back... But that's not the way the world works. If Bioware tries something new, they say "ZOMG BIOWARE HAS SOLD THEIR SOULS!!11!!ONE!", or "Bioware is dead to me!" And so forth.

But what many don't realize, is that traditionalists are, and have always been in the way of progress.
I just hope that most people will accept it, if IT is true.

To be honest, trying to hold an intelligent conversation with some of the people on this forum has lead me to conclude that they'll likely presume that Bioware took the idea from the fans, rather than the other way around.

I, however, plan on spending a day doing a very substantial amount of gloating.

If IT turns out to be true, I won't join you in your gloating, but I hope you'll enjoy it!

[oopssorryy]

How much of Shepard is a Synthetic? The game eludes to you being at least part Syth after TIM put you back together in Project Lazarus. Depending on how much of Shepard is Syth (say if they are supporting organs or something) then would Shepard even survive? I also found that on the Cerberus Base mission Shepard questions if he was just an android that thinks he is Shepard. this to me show that Shepard is starting to loose it, and is being slowly Indoctrinated. IMO it's a process that has been going on the entire game, but Shepard has been able to fight it off ( I think it's directly aimed at Shepard and not his crew as a whole). That is until Harbinger goes for broke and tries right there at the end to get Shep under full control. That's just my two cents.

Also how does the squad get back to the Normandy? They were all down on Earth, and yet they were able to catch a shuttle get to the Normandy and then get out of Dodge in the time it took me to have a little dream? I question it even more since I took Javik along with me for the mission and yet he ended up walking out of the Normandy crash. I call BS.

[DJBare]

estebanus wrote...

DJBare wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

The thing is that that area may have been protected by a kinetic barrier, the same barriers that are claimed to help him survive re-entry. Also, there's no reaso why the Citadel would fall from orbit, espscially so rapidly. so the same barries that protected him could still be active.

The same kinectic barrier that prevented Shepards armor being burnt off?, if he is falling through the atmosphere kinetic barriers will not prevent the temperature rise due to friction, kinetic barriers only prevent high velocity impacts, and if Shepard is still on the citadel, again it's the same thing, the kinectic barrier may well prevent impact from the explosion, but it's not going to stop the heat.

While I'm here, does anyone else get this in their game?, Hackett seems to forget the word "citadel"
www.youtube.com/watch

I think that's just a bug or a failure in sound transmitting. Hackett always says everything in my playthroughs.

I've reloaded three times and he still skips the word.

[balance5050]

estebanus wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

To be honest, trying to hold an intelligent conversation with some of the people on this forum has lead me to conclude that they'll likely presume that Bioware took the idea from the fans, rather than the other way around.

I, however, plan on spending a day doing a very substantial amount of gloating.

If IT turns out to be true, I won't join you in your gloating, but I hope you'll enjoy it!

I won't be gloating but I'm sure we'll all be patting each other's backs in this thread right here, or at least dissecting gwhat we got right and what was truly emergency induction ports.

Modifié par balance5050, 11 mai 2012 - 08:10 .

[SS2Dante]

balance5050 wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

OK, I'm going to settle a point that was brought up a while ago. When SubAstris was here talking about Shepard's resurrection, one point that frequently came up was that he said that there was no way Shepard's brain survived. Well, I'm on Cronos Station, and I just found a video where one of the scientists for Project Lazarus says that Shepard's brain was protected by his helmet. So there you have it, his brain was fine, and his helmet did the work. But Shepard did not have a helmet on on the Citadel before he fell back to Earth. So, basically, score one for IT.

I thought everyone knew this, before the last mission Shepard is even looking at his helmet and says to Liara something like "Checking it for cracks", it was an allusion to his helmet basically saving his brain. They priming the long time fans to start making connections.

No, no, no, balance. Shepard is looking at it and Liara asks what's wrong. Shep then says "I thought I heard the casing crack during that last fight" (Thessia, I think).

 

Way too much focus.

Come on. Symbolism for dummies.

Right, I was paraphrasing but my point on it is the same as yours.

Sorry, misunderstood, thought you meant the scene was there specifically to remind us it had protected Sheps head, rather than to point out the mental cracks  

[Unschuld]

TSA_383 wrote...
Iiiinteresting.
That's certainly a "**** you synthesis"

Now we just need to find out if Ashley/Garrus/Kaidan say anything remotely useful.

Garrus (paraphrasing) at the FOB: You were born to do this something something destroying reapers (several dialogues regarding destroying the reapers earlier in the game)

Kaidan: Multiple lines about destroying the reapers (can't remember exact wording)

Ashley: Dunno, she's lol dead in my game.


*my point wasn't that there might/should be some "kill the reapers" reference in the romance scenes themselves, just lines at certain times from your allies regarding the subject.

Modifié par Unschuld, 11 mai 2012 - 08:13 .

[HyperGlass]

By the way trees are visable on the run to the beam just at the far left. Then they seem to teleport more to the middle. I'm just stating that incase anyone forgot.

[balance5050]

SS2Dante wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

OK, I'm going to settle a point that was brought up a while ago. When SubAstris was here talking about Shepard's resurrection, one point that frequently came up was that he said that there was no way Shepard's brain survived. Well, I'm on Cronos Station, and I just found a video where one of the scientists for Project Lazarus says that Shepard's brain was protected by his helmet. So there you have it, his brain was fine, and his helmet did the work. But Shepard did not have a helmet on on the Citadel before he fell back to Earth. So, basically, score one for IT.

I thought everyone knew this, before the last mission Shepard is even looking at his helmet and says to Liara something like "Checking it for cracks", it was an allusion to his helmet basically saving his brain. They priming the long time fans to start making connections.

No, no, no, balance. Shepard is looking at it and Liara asks what's wrong. Shep then says "I thought I heard the casing crack during that last fight" (Thessia, I think).

 

Way too much focus.

Come on. Symbolism for dummies.

Right, I was paraphrasing but my point on it is the same as yours.

Sorry, misunderstood, thought you meant the scene was there specifically to remind us it had protected Sheps head, rather than to point out the mental cracks  

I meant both actually;)

[EpyonX3]

balance5050 wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Hawk227 wrote...

PS: Epyon, it was an 8+km wide fireball that tore apart the presidium and "left Shepard in a pile of rubble". No way that area is protected and he's a live.

Just like no way a suit that can't take direct fire without barriers protect Shepard from the temperatures of re-entry.

Exactly, they protect against impact not heat.

I missed a word in my comment. But this is my point. Shepard should have vaporized, but he didn't. In fact we was in tact enough to be rebuilt.

Why is it so impossible that Shepard survived, although badly burned?

[EpyonX3]

Unschuld wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...
Iiiinteresting.
That's certainly a "**** you synthesis"

Now we just need to find out if Ashley/Garrus/Kaidan say anything remotely useful.

Garrus (paraphrasing) at the FOB: You were born to do this something something destroying reapers (several dialogues regarding destroying the reapers earlier in the game)

Kaidan: Multiple lines about destroying the reapers (can't remember exact wording)

Ashley: Dunno, she's lol dead in my game.

Ashley was a lot more interesting in ME1 than ME2. She was a racist who started to like and trust other aliens. ME2 offered little and ME3 she's just there. She might not even be a crew member if you choose.

[balance5050]

EpyonX3 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Hawk227 wrote...

PS: Epyon, it was an 8+km wide fireball that tore apart the presidium and "left Shepard in a pile of rubble". No way that area is protected and he's a live.

Just like no way a suit that can't take direct fire without barriers protect Shepard from the temperatures of re-entry.

Exactly, they protect against impact not heat.

I missed a word in my comment. But this is my point. Shepard should have vaporized, but he didn't. In fact we was in tact enough to be rebuilt.

Why is it so impossible that Shepard survived, although badly burned?

The first time he fell through the atmosphere that was 83% as strong as Earth, He has fulll dermal plating and a helmet and still ended as a charred but frozen hunk of meat.

This time he is in the epicenter of a huge explosion, and the only NEW damage we see to his body is th peice of metal that peiced his leg.

The most likely scenario is he never got back up after Harbinger's beam.

Modifié par balance5050, 11 mai 2012 - 08:17 .

[spotlessvoid]

When Shepard sees Anderson choosing destroy, what exactly is that? Is Shepard imagining it, is starchild making him see it, is it outside the in game reality and only meant for the player?

[ExtendedCut]

balance5050 wrote...

estebanus wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

To be honest, trying to hold an intelligent conversation with some of the people on this forum has lead me to conclude that they'll likely presume that Bioware took the idea from the fans, rather than the other way around.

I, however, plan on spending a day doing a very substantial amount of gloating.

If IT turns out to be true, I won't join you in your gloating, but I hope you'll enjoy it!

I won't be gloating but I'm sure we'll all be patting each other's backs in this thread right here, or at least dissecting gwhat we got right and what was truly emergency induction ports.

Can we all at least go on every other thread on BSN and tell them to suck it?  Is that gloating?

[EpyonX3]

balance5050 wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Hawk227 wrote...

PS: Epyon, it was an 8+km wide fireball that tore apart the presidium and "left Shepard in a pile of rubble". No way that area is protected and he's a live.

Just like no way a suit that can't take direct fire without barriers protect Shepard from the temperatures of re-entry.

Exactly, they protect against impact not heat.

I missed a word in my comment. But this is my point. Shepard should have vaporized, but he didn't. In fact we was in tact enough to be rebuilt.

Why is it so impossible that Shepard survived, although badly burned?

The first time he fell through the atmosphere that was 83% as strong as Earth, He has fulll dermal plating and a helmet and still ended as a charred but frozen hunk of meat.

This time he is in the epicenter of a huge explosion, and the only NEW damage we see to his body is th peice of metal that peiced his leg.

The most likely scenario is he never got back up after Harbinger's beam.

Thinking about it some more, why didn't his dog tag melt either? Everything else seemed to.

[balance5050]

ExtendedCut wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

estebanus wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

To be honest, trying to hold an intelligent conversation with some of the people on this forum has lead me to conclude that they'll likely presume that Bioware took the idea from the fans, rather than the other way around.

I, however, plan on spending a day doing a very substantial amount of gloating.

If IT turns out to be true, I won't join you in your gloating, but I hope you'll enjoy it!

I won't be gloating but I'm sure we'll all be patting each other's backs in this thread right here, or at least dissecting gwhat we got right and what was truly emergency induction ports.

Can we all at least go on every other thread on BSN and tell them to suck it?  Is that gloating?

Alright back to cleaning, I'll be back in like an hour.

[dreamgazer]

spotlessvoid wrote...

When Shepard sees Anderson choosing destroy, what exactly is that? Is Shepard imagining it, is starchild making him see it, is it outside the in game reality and only meant for the player?

I'm of the mind that they're generated, and forced on Shepard, by the catalyst.  We see Anderson, Shepard's closest ally, partaking in the solution that the catalyst then goes on to paint the most negatively---as the most destructive, the less-evolved, the less-pacifistic option.  Manipulation dial cranked up a few degrees.

Modifié par dreamgazer, 11 mai 2012 - 08:21 .

[estebanus]

ExtendedCut wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

estebanus wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

To be honest, trying to hold an intelligent conversation with some of the people on this forum has lead me to conclude that they'll likely presume that Bioware took the idea from the fans, rather than the other way around.

I, however, plan on spending a day doing a very substantial amount of gloating.

If IT turns out to be true, I won't join you in your gloating, but I hope you'll enjoy it!

I won't be gloating but I'm sure we'll all be patting each other's backs in this thread right here, or at least dissecting gwhat we got right and what was truly emergency induction ports.

Can we all at least go on every other thread on BSN and tell them to suck it?  Is that gloating?

Errmm... Yes. Yes it is.

What would be a true show of our power and intelligence is to have the opportunity and every reason to gloat... and not do it. That is true power.

(Cookie if you get the reference!)

[HyperGlass]

spotlessvoid wrote...

When Shepard sees Anderson choosing destroy, what exactly is that? Is Shepard imagining it, is starchild making him see it, is it outside the in game reality and only meant for the player?

It's just to show that the destroy option was what Anderson wanted and I beleive it is meant to embody the side of Shepard trying to fight indoctrination so yea Shep would be imagining it.