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[rogueagent6]

PDesign wrote...

krystalevenstar wrote...

Again 2:23 - 2:25 when the line 'You have hope, more than you think' is said, it's very easy to hear femshep is the one saying 'think'

Extracted

dl.dropbox.com/u/26913187/end003_catalyst_m_D_Int.033.ogg

I think this here pretty much seals it.

[xDarkspace]

krystalevenstar wrote...

xDarkspace wrote...

krystalevenstar wrote...

Again 2:23 - 2:25 when the line 'You have hope, more than you think' is said, it's very easy to hear femshep is the one saying 'think'

why is femsheps voice behind the cataylst voice?

It's Maleshep's voice too. I'm guessing they included both whether you played male or female to make it sound more haunting and less evident it's in fact shepard's voice behind the child's

ya but if your male shep why do you hear fem shep voice shouldet it be you hear male sheps voice behnd catalyst if you male? lol

[BlackDragonBane]

blooregard wrote...

Luc0s wrote...

blooregard wrote...

even if the codes are changed I'm pretty sure the reaper IFF is a physical object you found on the derelict reaper and its probably the only thing on the normandy that could be capible of indoctronation

An IFF is not a physical object, it's only software.

So yeah, no.

http://images1.wikia.../Reaper_IFF.png 

then I guess this is a human OSD? if thats the case then I got nothing unless shepard's implants are reaper in origin but wouldn't the prothean AI be sounding off every possible alarm it had?

Thank you for linking that image. I made a post earlier in response to this but it seems to have been overlooked. The Reaper IFF is a physical object, it's sitting on the table you pass just before reaching the Mass Effect core of the Derelict Reaper.

[CommanderSmacker]

Also about BW not wanting to spoil the "true endings", did anyone notice that we didnt get a special features disk like ME1 and ME2 had, which are disks that pretty much explain the games by the devs?

[pumpkinpirate]

Lugaidster wrote...

Yo guys, I was listening to the talk with the catalyst and I realized this. We all focused a lot on the fact that the destroy option is just "silly" according to GC. However, did anyone really listen to what he says about the others? Here's a transcript (made by me ):

GC: Or do you think you can control us?
Shep: So TIM was right after all...?
GC: Yes, but he could never have taken control, because we already controlled him.
Shep: But I can?
GC: You will die, you will control us, but you will lose everything you have.
Shep: But the reapers will obey me?
GC: Yes, but there's another solution.
Shep: Yeah?
GC: Synthesis
Shep: And that is?
GC: Add your energy to the crucible's. Everything you are will absorbed and then sent out. The chain reaction will combine all synthetic and organic life into a new framework. A new DNA.
Shep: I don't know...
GC: Why not? Synthetics are already part of you. Can you imagine your life without them?
Shep: And there will be peace?
GC: The cycle will end. Synthesis is the final evolution of life, but we need each other to make it happen. You have a difficult decision. Releasing the energy of the crucible will end the cycle, but the mass relays will be destroyed. The paths are open, but you have to choose.

No please focus on the fact that almost everything good about those decisions are assumed by shep, but never actually stated by GC. Will there be peace? Deflect the answer. On the control option you will control him, but GC didn't tell for how long (look at it this way, if I can control you while I'm alive but by trying to control you I will die, I can "technically" control you). Aside from the fact that synthesis appears to be "the best choice" but no assurance of victory is given. Be honest, would you take such an important decision by questioning them with such simple queries?

To me it's clear that GC is being deceitful. Any comments?

Very intresting. Shepard also seems to very accepting of what he says.

[SnowyKai]

I've been reading this thread since page...87. I need this ending now.

I need it. I don't know whether I could take anything less. I want my reunification with Garrus, and then we can go to a real bar.

;~;

[Novouto]

I only did one play through because of how unhappy I was with the ending, but I am glad I picked destroy ending. I am so behind this theory

[2_BR4ZIL_2]

Richard STIHL wrote...

sorry, english is my first language but i suck at and i dont care

1. endings leaked- bw came up with this little indoctrination ending to compensate

2. bw released space edition knowing people would blab. real ending coming so everyone would get it at the sametime (what a genius way to end a truly epis story like mass effest)

3. casey hudson said hold on to your saves. ending expansion pack (DA:O awakining style)

4. read the codex on indoctrination

5. infinite bullets

6. shepard waking up on earth

7. squad mates teleporting unharmed onto a normandy getting ready to jump through a relay

8. destroy being the renagede option (In dreams everthing is reversed.... also kinda explains 1m1)

9. gambles post about this being the hardest day ever.

10. guide book talks about secret ending possibly taken out. only to be given to us later.

11. kid dissapearing after you destroy

12. vega talking about humming

13. allmost killing virmire survivor

14. reapers hate you why would they tell you the truth. Read the art of war.

15. little kid is the catylist

16. EA likes money

im not grasping at straws. more like grasping at pen15es

i know theres more will edit when i think of them.

17. Weird tree (same from your dreams) after you wake up from the lazer blast

as a side note, number 16 is what makes me belive this the most, EA wouldnt end their "star wars" like this.

Modifié par 2_BR4ZIL_2, 13 mars 2012 - 12:39 .

[novaseeker]

Kayjin23 wrote...

Fattness132 wrote...

PDesign wrote...

krystalevenstar wrote...

Again 2:23 - 2:25 when the line 'You have hope, more than you think' is said, it's very easy to hear femshep is the one saying 'think'

Extracted

dl.dropbox.com/u/26913187/end003_catalyst_m_D_Int.033.ogg

WOW....that is so obviously male and female shep - could sort of hear it before but now that is just unquestionable. NICE WORK!

Yeah. You can very clearly hear female and male Shepard talking with the kid. Really weird. I mean even if it was a "dream/indoctrination/hallucination/whatever", why do you hear the other Shepard's voice actor?

Maybe this is how indoctrination works.  I doubt it's that Harbinger shows up in your head with his own voice and indoctrinates you.  I suspect, though, that the reason we hear both maleshep and femshep is due to simplicity issues as well as to make the GC's voice even more mysterious (and perhaps as an even bigger clue that something is not "normal" about this sequence).

[Tony Redgrave]

If the ending is proven to be a hallucination or indoctrination, if the theories, the voices and sounds, male and female shepards voices in the catalyst voice, the gunfire in the background when Shepard walks wounded and seemingly alone up to the beam, if it all turns out to be what we hope... I will bend over backwards and take it from BioWare to the point of bleeding. And I will be happy about it!

My Shepard and Liara wants their blue babies.

[De1ta G]

krystalevenstar wrote...

lil_89 wrote...

PDesign wrote...

krystalevenstar wrote...

Again 2:23 - 2:25 when the line 'You have hope, more than you think' is said, it's very easy to hear femshep is the one saying 'think'

Extracted

dl.dropbox.com/u/26913187/end003_catalyst_m_D_Int.033.ogg

wow, that sound like jennifer hale to me! not too sure about meer though

A better example of when Meer talks can be found at: 3:53 - 3:58, when he says 'You will die, you will control us, but you will lose everything you have'

That's exaclty what I needed to hear. Obviously both Hale and Meer's voice

[FrostByte-GER]

Also...has anybody noticed, that the godchild says "wake up" only on high ems scores? I heared in my ending(3000ems) "Why are you here" there was no "wake up". Now I watched the best ending on YT. The child says "wake up".

But now, watch this: www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlyGL9Cqsxw#t=08m40s
And compare it with this vid:

Heared it? Another proof for the indoctrination theory!!!

[AM94]

Anyone notice that the Synthesis option shows Joker and EDI with creepy green eyes after they exit the Normandy

[krystalevenstar]

xDarkspace wrote...

krystalevenstar wrote...

xDarkspace wrote...

krystalevenstar wrote...

Again 2:23 - 2:25 when the line 'You have hope, more than you think' is said, it's very easy to hear femshep is the one saying 'think'

why is femsheps voice behind the cataylst voice?

It's Maleshep's voice too. I'm guessing they included both whether you played male or female to make it sound more haunting and less evident it's in fact shepard's voice behind the child's

ya but if your male shep why do you hear fem shep voice shouldet it be you hear male sheps voice behnd catalyst if you male? lol

That's what I'm saying though. If they just played the Male voice behind it, it would be a lot easier to hear it and realize it's Mark Meer. With both voices in there, it just sounds like background reverb instead of individual voices until you REALLY listen to it.

[Lugaidster]

By the way, if I'm Vega/Garrus/Kaidan/etc. and I got stranded on an unknown planet, I certainly would want Shep to choose synthesis, not only because of the food. If the only female on the ship is the ship, I'm going to need a lot of "magic" to "survive" if you catch my drift. That'd probably go through the head of shep while thinking the best choice for his mates.

[pumpkinpirate]

Baldurs Gate wrote...

The only thing that is still kinda messy for me is that, assuming "Destroy" is the ending you need to choose to "wake up". Does that mean that Shep would be willing to sacrifice every Geth and EDI? Isnt that a bit too renegade of a choice?. I mean, my paragon Shep does imply that Geth should be considered living persons in one point of the game. I think it was while I was debating with the Admirals aboard the Normandy.

That was the only reason I didn't choose "Destroy" at the end. I just couldn't bring myself to kill every Geth and EDI.


EDIT: Even if it doesnt really end up happening. If it`s just to "wake up". How did she/he know? 

They wouldn't know. That's the deciet behind indoctrination.

[iwillkillfortali]

FrostByte-GER wrote...

Also...has anybody noticed, that the godchild says "wake up" only on high ems scores? I heared in my ending(3000ems) "Why are you here" there was no "wake up". Now I watched the best ending on YT. The child says "wake up".

But now, watch this: www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlyGL9Cqsxw#t=08m40s
And compare it with this vid:

Heared it? Another proof for the indoctrination theory!!!

That is because someone from the outside maybe a love intrest is saying that.

[ceruleancrescent]

2_BR4ZIL_2 wrote...

Richard STIHL wrote...

sorry, english is my first language but i suck at and i dont care

1. endings leaked- bw came up with this little indoctrination ending to compensate

2. bw released space edition knowing people would blab. real ending coming so everyone would get it at the sametime (what a genius way to end a truly epis story like mass effest)

3. casey hudson said hold on to your saves. ending expansion pack (DA:O awakining style)

4. read the codex on indoctrination

5. infinite bullets

6. shepard waking up on earth

7. squad mates teleporting unharmed onto a normandy getting ready to jump through a relay

8. destroy being the renagede option (In dreams everthing is reversed.... also kinda explains 1m1)

9. gambles post about this being the hardest day ever.

10. guide book talks about secret ending possibly taken out. only to be given to us later.

11. kid dissapearing after you destroy

12. vega talking about humming

13. allmost killing virmire survivor

14. reapers hate you why would they tell you the truth. Read the art of war.

15. little kid is the catylist

16. EA likes money

im not grasping at straws. more like grasping at pen15es

i know theres more will edit when i think of them.

17. Weird tree (same from your dreams) after you wake up from the lazer blast

as a side note, number 16 is what makes me belive this the most, EA wouldnt end their "star wars" like this.

I watched the run to the conduit again and paid close attention to see if those trees were there at all, and I never saw them, until after the reaper blast then they are there magically

[FLYING GRENADE11]

Baldurs Gate wrote...

The only thing that is still kinda messy for me is that, assuming "Destroy" is the ending you need to choose to "wake up". Does that mean that Shep would be willing to sacrifice every Geth and EDI? Isnt that a bit too renegade of a choice?. I mean, my paragon Shep does imply that Geth should be considered living persons in one point of the game. I think it was while I was debating with the Admirals aboard the Normandy.

That was the only reason I didn't choose "Destroy" at the end. I just couldn't bring myself to kill every Geth and EDI.


EDIT: Even if it doesnt really end up happening. If it`s just to "wake up". How did she/he know? 

In the game , shepard , whether he is renegade or paragon is comepletley willing to give it all up to destroy the reapers.

Modifié par FLYING GRENADE11, 13 mars 2012 - 12:42 .

[BadlyBrowned]

RE: The Player indoctrination Theory of the OP. Sort of rambling on, but here we go:

Indoctrination is suppose to dominate one's free will. Both Saren and TIM were shown to have very powerful wills, enough to resist the indoctrination process for a time, but ultimately succumb. 
Shepard is different though, Shepard actually has NO free will. Shepard is *our* avatar, his will is our will. Bioware could write up a whole bunch of different stuff to do to Shepard to convey Reapers attempts at indoctrinating him, but Reaper indoctrination simply does not work for Shepard because ultimately Shepard will is bound to the whims of the player.

Thus, with the "crucible" being a test, indoctrination being the domination of one's free will, and with the players being the source of Shepard's "free" will, it makes sense to me that the Reaper God Child's sudden appearence serves as a test of wills, the Reapers versus the Player. Shepard appears to be on the cusp of entering the Citadel and defeating the Reapers when he is hit with a laser. Could it be that this attempt at indoctrinating Shepard/The Player serves as the Reapers last gasp at avoiding their own extinction? At this point, the only real thing that could prevent Shepard from not destroying the Reapers is, well, you. So, like the Player Indoctrination Theory states, these last few minutes of the game perhaps serve as a way for the player to expierence just what it is like to come under the influence of indoctrination. That Shepard only "wakes up" in the destroy ending seems very telling right there, to me. 

Yeah, it's a huge stretch, but what the hell, it makes more sense than taking the endings at face value, imo.

Modifié par BadlyBrowned, 13 mars 2012 - 01:00 .

[MatthewGold]

Reaper: Shepard.
Shepard: You know who I am?
Reaper: Harbinger speaks of you. You resist, but you will fail. The cycle must continue.

[Miss Vader]

I posted this early- but due to intense postings i shall re-post

Anyone else think that Shepard IS the catalyst? Makes the voice synch with the boy make more sense

Modifié par Miss Vader, 13 mars 2012 - 12:43 .

[2_BR4ZIL_2]

FrostByte-GER wrote...

Also...has anybody noticed, that the godchild says "wake up" only on high ems scores? I heared in my ending(3000ems) "Why are you here" there was no "wake up". Now I watched the best ending on YT. The child says "wake up".

But now, watch this: www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlyGL9Cqsxw#t=08m40s
And compare it with this vid:

Heared it? Another proof for the indoctrination theory!!!

Funny, you will only live through the Destroy ending with high points right? Amazing find Mr. FrostByte!

[Golferguy758]

PDesign wrote...

krystalevenstar wrote...

lil_89 wrote...

PDesign wrote...

krystalevenstar wrote...

Again 2:23 - 2:25 when the line 'You have hope, more than you think' is said, it's very easy to hear femshep is the one saying 'think'

Extracted

dl.dropbox.com/u/26913187/end003_catalyst_m_D_Int.033.ogg

wow, that sound like jennifer hale to me! not too sure about meer though

A better example of when Meer talks can be found at: 3:53 - 3:58, when he says 'You will die, you will control us, but you will lose everything you have'

Here
dl.dropbox.com/u/26913187/end003_catalyst_m_D_Int.051.ogg

Wow. Just Wow.