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EpyonX3 wrote...
*Harbinger Voice* Relinquish the details of where you got this or your home will become my laboratory!


No tech specs, I want to keep some mystery to it...:P

 I will say that it's mostly mid-to-high performance by today's standards, nothing crazy. The GPU's are water cooled in series, with a MASSIVE SR1 radiator running the length of the bottom of the case. Got all my stuff from dangerden. I'm waiting a little while before swapping the corsair H50 on the CPU for a custom setup so my significant other doesn't kill me.

I've had the case itself for years, going back to my days in the service. One of my buddies got drunk one night and charged into my room, kicking in the side of the case (still in the shipping box) because some other moron put hatebreed on the stereo outside which drives him insane. The "Shepard Computer" idea came out of finding a way to make the dent not look completely out of place. The internal components have been swapped several times over the years, all the work being done by yours truely.

Modifié par Unschuld, 11 mai 2012 - 10:11 .


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SS2Dante wrote...

Huh. Did anyone else pick up on Shepard whispering "No" twice in the first few seconds of waking up?

Except it sounds wrong...different from the breathing...can anyone check the sound files for this part?

Yes they are "no"s, but imo they fit quite nicely. Also it seems just to be an expression of how she struggles not to collapse.

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SS2Dante wrote...

 And now, for fun, some screenshot analysis!

Ok, here's the conduit before the blast. Notice it's clear except for the maruader rock. But ALSO notice the gunship that was shot down in the middle left, just beside sheps head (was shot down like 5 secs before I took the screenshot). Notice how close it is to the beam, and it's rough position.

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Now, when you wake up three makos are destroyed around you. Ok, I could maybe buy that they were destroyed after I was hit. But behind us we see the new tree...

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Remember the gunship I mentioned? Where has it gone? it appears to have become a ...slanted piece of ground...
Ok, one other object appeared when you woke up. This turbine thing, against which a marine is slumped. Odd.

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Except...here's a pic of the runup to the beam.
Oof, image dump, sorry. Anyhoo, discuss, disparage, dismiss, whatever :P

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The other interesting feature if the before and after shots is the two Mako's near the beam, where did they come from?, and what happened to the armored personnel vehicle that was turned over.

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Unschuld wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...
*Harbinger Voice* Relinquish the details of where you got this or your home will become my laboratory!


No tech specs, I want to keep some mystery to it...:P

 I will say that it's mostly mid-to-high performance by today's standards, nothing crazy. The GPU's are water cooled in series, with a MASSIVE SR1 radiator running the length of the bottom of the case. Got all my stuff from dangerden. I'm waiting a little while before swapping the corsair H50 on the CPU for a custom setup so my significant other doesn't kill me.

I've had the case itself for years, going back to my days in the service. One of my buddies got drunk one night and charged into my room, kicking in the side of the case (still in the shipping box) because some other moron put hatebreed on the stereo outside which drives him insane. The "Shepard Computer" idea came out of finding a way to make the dent not look completely out of place.

Start bitcoin mining, that way you can buy high-end gaming gear and it's an "investment"

I've got one of these on the way from a friend for a new setup:
http://www.evga.com/...ies Family&sw=5
Have all sorts of crazy ideas for what to build around it, but looking at my bank account at this rate I'll be hanging it on the wall or ebaying it :lol:

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SS2Dante wrote...


At what point is that video taken? (like, is it a video of the before scene or after scene?) Just ask cos it's weird. You can see the outline of all the stuff that WILL appear, and indeed the turbine does, but the others don't? Why is it just the new stuff that is marked by shadows? Also, the gunship isn't there...so either that was before, or it's removed after....arg my head.

Not doubting you or anything just when/what state that level is in at that point interests me. 


Before you get hit as Harbinger is playing target practice with Hammer.

Yes the outlines are there because they're baked into the level as opposed to making the engine procude the shadows.


EDIT: Even the blood stains where you crew mates lie dead are there.

Modifié par EpyonX3, 11 mai 2012 - 10:19 .


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MegumiAzusa wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

Huh. Did anyone else pick up on Shepard whispering "No" twice in the first few seconds of waking up?

Except it sounds wrong...different from the breathing...can anyone check the sound files for this part?

Yes they are "no"s, but imo they fit quite nicely. Also it seems just to be an expression of how she struggles not to collapse.

Another thing: when hit by Harbingers beam and the white fades to black, did you notice the footsteps?

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Unschuld wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...
*Harbinger Voice* Relinquish the details of where you got this or your home will become my laboratory!


No tech specs, I want to keep some mystery to it...:P

 I will say that it's mostly mid-to-high performance by today's standards, nothing crazy. The GPU's are water cooled in series, with a MASSIVE SR1 radiator running the length of the bottom of the case. Got all my stuff from dangerden. I'm waiting a little while before swapping the corsair H50 on the CPU for a custom setup so my significant other doesn't kill me.

I've had the case itself for years, going back to my days in the service. One of my buddies got drunk one night and charged into my room, kicking in the side of the case (still in the shipping box) because some other moron put hatebreed on the stereo outside which drives him insane. The "Shepard Computer" idea came out of finding a way to make the dent not look completely out of place. The internal components have been swapped several times over the years, all the work being done by yours truely.


Nice!

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MegumiAzusa wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

Huh. Did anyone else pick up on Shepard whispering "No" twice in the first few seconds of waking up?

Except it sounds wrong...different from the breathing...can anyone check the sound files for this part?

Yes they are "no"s, but imo they fit quite nicely. Also it seems just to be an expression of how she struggles not to collapse.

Another thing: when hit by Harbingers beam and the white fades to black, did you notice the footsteps?

I'm listening...

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Oh and for the you-can-fire-the-gun-while-getting-up thing: you can only do that when you reload, but not if you just did the run part.

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spotlessvoid wrote...

Wanted to try my hand at trolling, see what all the fuss is about.
Here goes:

I just want to say indoctrination theory its wrong cause it isn't right cause starchild didn't say reapers are didn't make sense crazy thread free side with starchild it wasn't a hallucination or not Harbingers beam is real cause only Shepard ****ing loves steak that much indoctrination who even posts reapers forums reapers Reapers broke the cycle of twitter theory delusions and you know its all true idt wasn't ever planned with starchild cause it isn't when Shepard breath scene isn't he landed on the Citadel space isn't hallucination starchilld Reaper is not is on earth how did Reapers arrival you're dogs weired it isn't even. Because reapers are lazy writers indoctrinated space magic reaper


Meh, I don't get it...


Man. Wait, is Liara supposed to waltz over here, touch my head and make sense of this? 

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TSA_383 wrote...
Start bitcoin mining, that way you can buy high-end gaming gear and it's an "investment"

I've got one of these on the way from a friend for a new setup:
http://www.evga.com/...ies Family&sw=5
Have all sorts of crazy ideas for what to build around it, but looking at my bank account at this rate I'll be hanging it on the wall or ebaying it :lol:


Ouch, I wish. It took me long enough to cough up the coin for 2-way SLI! My old motherboard, an EVGA 680i SLI deluxe had support for 3-way, but I never got into it because it was by far the buggiest and worst MoBo I've ever had. Never had problems with EVGA before that board. Now my new motherboard only supports 2.

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Another thing that was maybe already said:
When in the you are in the hallway just after teleporting you can notice the light flickers just like the beam, but there is no flickering light present.

Also for troll purposes: when you get the second message from Anderson and the door is opening: stop just when it starts to play and the next part isn't loaded and you get a black hole behind the door :D

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dreamgazer wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

Wanted to try my hand at trolling, see what all the fuss is about.
Here goes:

I just want to say indoctrination theory its wrong cause it isn't right cause starchild didn't say reapers are didn't make sense crazy thread free side with starchild it wasn't a hallucination or not Harbingers beam is real cause only Shepard ****ing loves steak that much indoctrination who even posts reapers forums reapers Reapers broke the cycle of twitter theory delusions and you know its all true idt wasn't ever planned with starchild cause it isn't when Shepard breath scene isn't he landed on the Citadel space isn't hallucination starchilld Reaper is not is on earth how did Reapers arrival you're dogs weired it isn't even. Because reapers are lazy writers indoctrinated space magic reaper


Meh, I don't get it...


Man. Wait, is Liara supposed to waltz over here, touch my head and make sense of this? 

Yes, you need the Prothean cypher for that.

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TSA_383 wrote...

https://twitter.com/...463386419535872
So, further post-EC dlc or an indication of the scale of the extended cut?


Probably meaningless tbh, with MP DLC already released and more in the pipeline I'd be surprisd if ME3 DLC hasn't already surpassed ME2 DLC and that's jut the stuff we know about

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MegumiAzusa wrote...

Another thing that was maybe already said:
When in the you are in the hallway just after teleporting you can notice the light flickers just like the beam, but there is no flickering light present.

Also for troll purposes: when you get the second message from Anderson and the door is opening: stop just when it starts to play and the next part isn't loaded and you get a black hole behind the door :D


Also, from afar you can see the terminal, but there's no Anderson. Cross the bridge and he's suddenly there: "Oh yeah, I just got here because...uh...the place is shifting *trollface*."

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 11 mai 2012 - 10:29 .


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MegumiAzusa wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

Huh. Did anyone else pick up on Shepard whispering "No" twice in the first few seconds of waking up?

Except it sounds wrong...different from the breathing...can anyone check the sound files for this part?

Yes they are "no"s, but imo they fit quite nicely. Also it seems just to be an expression of how she struggles not to collapse.

Another thing: when hit by Harbingers beam and the white fades to black, did you notice the footsteps?


Ok, weirdest thing. The "no" seems to happen between once and 4 times, seemingly at random. One of them is when your hand first twitches to get  your gun, the next is when you sit up, once again when you stand and one other just before you gain control. Some of them definitely happens at the same time as you gasping, which is what caught my attention. Bizarre.

Footsteps? Nope, I'll listen ou. i wa more interested in the music being the same choir sound as in the dreams and the magic elevator.

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Speaking of the Hallway.

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There's a hole in the ceiling right above. Shepard could have slid in from the top for all we know lol.

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EpyonX3 wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...


At what point is that video taken? (like, is it a video of the before scene or after scene?) Just ask cos it's weird. You can see the outline of all the stuff that WILL appear, and indeed the turbine does, but the others don't? Why is it just the new stuff that is marked by shadows? Also, the gunship isn't there...so either that was before, or it's removed after....arg my head.

Not doubting you or anything just when/what state that level is in at that point interests me. 


Before you get hit as Harbinger is playing target practice with Hammer.

Yes the outlines are there because they're baked into the level as opposed to making the engine procude the shadows.


EDIT: Even the blood stains where you crew mates lie dead are there.


Wait, so are all the things there, but you need to get close to load them? Or are the Mako's not there at all but the positioning is noted by the shadow. And does the rest of the level have this kind of pop-in?

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SS2Dante wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

Huh. Did anyone else pick up on Shepard whispering "No" twice in the first few seconds of waking up?

Except it sounds wrong...different from the breathing...can anyone check the sound files for this part?

Yes they are "no"s, but imo they fit quite nicely. Also it seems just to be an expression of how she struggles not to collapse.

Another thing: when hit by Harbingers beam and the white fades to black, did you notice the footsteps?


Ok, weirdest thing. The "no" seems to happen between once and 4 times, seemingly at random. One of them is when your hand first twitches to get  your gun, the next is when you sit up, once again when you stand and one other just before you gain control. Some of them definitely happens at the same time as you gasping, which is what caught my attention. Bizarre.

Footsteps? Nope, I'll listen ou. i wa more interested in the music being the same choir sound as in the dreams and the magic elevator.

What music? In the entire scene after being hit there is none?

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The Keepers in the hallway on the Citadel aren't waving their hands in the air. They segregate the bodies.

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DJBare wrote...

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But that would only make sense if the entire ending was IT, correct?  If the Anderson/TIM scene before you encounter Starkid is literal, then how could the Starkid possibly know how to project the appropriate "morality-image" into Shepard's mind?  As far as we know, assuming the ending it literal - the Reapers and/or Starkid can't read minds, can they?  Is this more Space Magic?



Reapers can read minds, at least that's what it indicates in the book Retribution, it's how they manipulate victims, by twisting their own thoughts.

Saren was twisted in the same way, as a spectre he wants to bring order to chaos, Sovereign uses this to manipulate Saren, their goals are not too disimilar, indocrtrination works best if the goals match.


I will readily admit that I never read the book, so I'm probably mis-interpreting your post, but it seems to me that the indoctrination "suggestions" that Reapers clearly exhibit is a lot different than actually reading thier minds.

Saren and Sovereign's goals were similar, and Sovereign took advantage of that, but that doesn't mean he read Saren's mind - they did hang out a lot...

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SS2Dante wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...


At what point is that video taken? (like, is it a video of the before scene or after scene?) Just ask cos it's weird. You can see the outline of all the stuff that WILL appear, and indeed the turbine does, but the others don't? Why is it just the new stuff that is marked by shadows? Also, the gunship isn't there...so either that was before, or it's removed after....arg my head.

Not doubting you or anything just when/what state that level is in at that point interests me. 


Before you get hit as Harbinger is playing target practice with Hammer.

Yes the outlines are there because they're baked into the level as opposed to making the engine procude the shadows.


EDIT: Even the blood stains where you crew mates lie dead are there.


Wait, so are all the things there, but you need to get close to load them? Or are the Mako's not there at all but the positioning is noted by the shadow. And does the rest of the level have this kind of pop-in?

You can clearly see the stains from relatively far away:
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(see the three lines that are 1-3 pixels in height above Sheps head and a small bit to the left)

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MegumiAzusa wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

Huh. Did anyone else pick up on Shepard whispering "No" twice in the first few seconds of waking up?

Except it sounds wrong...different from the breathing...can anyone check the sound files for this part?

Yes they are "no"s, but imo they fit quite nicely. Also it seems just to be an expression of how she struggles not to collapse.

Another thing: when hit by Harbingers beam and the white fades to black, did you notice the footsteps?


Ok, weirdest thing. The "no" seems to happen between once and 4 times, seemingly at random. One of them is when your hand first twitches to get  your gun, the next is when you sit up, once again when you stand and one other just before you gain control. Some of them definitely happens at the same time as you gasping, which is what caught my attention. Bizarre.

Footsteps? Nope, I'll listen ou. i wa more interested in the music being the same choir sound as in the dreams and the magic elevator.

What music? In the entire scene after being hit there is none?


When the beam hits you, sorry. As it fades to black. According to your save you had music disabled, so perhaps you've forgotten that part :P

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SS2Dante wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...


At what point is that video taken? (like, is it a video of the before scene or after scene?) Just ask cos it's weird. You can see the outline of all the stuff that WILL appear, and indeed the turbine does, but the others don't? Why is it just the new stuff that is marked by shadows? Also, the gunship isn't there...so either that was before, or it's removed after....arg my head.

Not doubting you or anything just when/what state that level is in at that point interests me. 


Before you get hit as Harbinger is playing target practice with Hammer.

Yes the outlines are there because they're baked into the level as opposed to making the engine procude the shadows.


EDIT: Even the blood stains where you crew mates lie dead are there.


Wait, so are all the things there, but you need to get close to load them? Or are the Mako's not there at all but the positioning is noted by the shadow. And does the rest of the level have this kind of pop-in?


Haven't really looked into it. This is at the very beginning of the push before anything else happened. The shadows being there are baked into the level because they happen regardless. The game already knows you're squadmates are going to die so it loaded textures for their blood pools before everything happens. Whether it pops in or not I don't know but I wouldn't be surprised.

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EpyonX3 wrote...

Speaking of the Hallway.

Posted Image


There's a hole in the ceiling right above. Shepard could have slid in from the top for all we know lol.

It would actually be plausible if there weren't two things that speak against that:
1st: the hole points away from the hallways, behind that thing.
2nd: if Shep dropped through there she's lucky she isn't impaled :D