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[Earthborn_Shepard]

Anything new in the last 24 hours?

[lex0r11]

Hell, it's a lazy Saturday.

Going to get something to eat, want anything?

[Bounercz]

I dont know,but this evidence+ they said theyve planned Indocrination+Theyve said that ME3 ending wont be at ME3 disc but in DLC and Mark Sheen said im not done yet , i still trust BW so i hope that EC will be good and not just a piece of crap that explains space magic and crap "ending" ...its just waste of potential t not give us Indocrinated Shepard ...just my opinion .

[DirtyPhoenix]

HellishFiend wrote...

More images for comparison, these are the shots of the interrupts themselves. All Carnifex...

Damn, I could never bring myself to kill Wrex or Mordin. I tried.. but failed Though, one explanation that comes to mind why they would use Carnifax is the loud sound it makes. Predator makes pew-pew noice by comparison. If anyone played ME3 with Tali dead, then Raan replaces Tali in the final Rannoch scene, anda she kills herself with a Predator, barely makes any noise.

[Salient Archer]

For those that missed it yesterday...


Supernovas
produces the same destructive power of 10^162 Gigaton of TNT
They full strength of the blast has a range of 10au depending on the size of the sun, but the remnant shockwave and radiation has a travel distance of around 50au with dissipating intensity over distance.

The Sol System Relay
For Relay orbiting distance the Sol Relay was approximately sitting 39au from our star.

The Mu Relay
It was estimated that the Mu Relay was much closer to the star that went supernova (possibly as close at 13au based on in-game start charts) but just to be lenient lets say it was still 39au from the blast center.

Due to It’s distance from the blast center it was hit with approximately only 10 Gigaton of TNT and as a result was not damaged but was flung out of it’s orbit. Although it could have been as high as 10^6 Gigaton.

The Citadel
As stated in Mass Effect Revelation The Citadel is made from the same materials as the Mass Relays. The presidium and each arm also contains pods that produce mass effect fields that protect the wards by keeping the outer skin separate from the rest of the structures, which protects it from intense external damage. It stands to reason the Citadel (with it’s arms closed) could also sustain external hits of a Gigaton or greater.

In essence; the Citadel would have to incur a massive internalized explosion, where it is most vulnerable. To be lenient lets place the explosion at no greater than 1 Gigaton (although could be as great as 10 Gigaton).

The Human Body
At 537 degrees celsius (1000 Fahrenheit) the human skin catches fire.
At 982 degrees celsius (1800 Fahrenheit) human bones can turn to ash
The blast that would have destroyed the Citadel would have produced temperatures in excess of 8,000,000 degrees celsius (14,400,032 Fahrenheit) vaporizing anyone inside the blast zone.

So what am I trying to say, well....


...but wait, how come after all that exploding and vaporizing we get treated to seeing this?...



Other reasons why the above image can't be the case:

-If the Citadel was parked about 238,855 miles (384,000km) from Earth (using the moons orbital distance as a frame of reference) it would take Shepard at least 13+ hours to reach earths outer atmosphere if he was able to propel himself at a direct vector and at the safe orbital re-entry speed of 17,500 mph (28,163 kph). 

-This could become problematic without an envirosuit as the human respiratory system can only last up to 90 seconds within a vacuum. 

-Assuming he can either come directly straight down or survive temps of up to 11,726 degrees Celsius (21,138 fahrenheit) by skimming the atmosphere during the re-entry period his next obstacle of focus would be the 300km drop to the ground, during this stage he should reach his max terminal velocity speed of 125mph (200kph) somewhere neer the mesosphere, making his fall last around around 1.6 hours.

-If he already wasn't dead from being at ground zero of a 1Gt explosion (that's 50x greater than the bomb dropped on Hiroshima) his inability of breathing in a vacuum (dead within 90 seconds). He would surely be dead from suffering Hypoxia and Hypothermia for over an hour and a half.

Oh, I could think of at least one way it could all make sense...

[Earthborn_Shepard]

lex0r11 wrote...

Hell, it's a lazy Saturday.

Going to get something to eat, want anything?

I'd love a giant pizza right now

Also I had a dream tonight.. I was on the phone with a Bioware employee (female) and asked her about IDT.. she said that the ending was indeed not real.. I then asked if there was any evidence for that in ME1 and 2 and she said something like "well it can't hurt to replay them and look for evidence".
She didn't say if it was ID, however.

[TSA_383]

Salient Archer wrote...

For those that missed it yesterday...


Supernovas
produces the same destructive power of 10^162 Gigaton of TNT
They full strength of the blast has a range of 10au depending on the size of the sun, but the remnant shockwave and radiation has a travel distance of around 50au with dissipating intensity over distance.

The Sol System Relay
For Relay orbiting distance the Sol Relay was approximately sitting 39au from our star.

The Mu Relay
It was estimated that the Mu Relay was much closer to the star that went supernova (possibly as close at 13au based on in-game start charts) but just to be lenient lets say it was still 39au from the blast center.

Due to It’s distance from the blast center it was hit with approximately only 10 Gigaton of TNT and as a result was not damaged but was flung out of it’s orbit. Although it could have been as high as 10^6 Gigaton.

The Citadel
As stated in Mass Effect Revelation The Citadel is made from the same materials as the Mass Relays. The presidium and each arm also contains pods that produce mass effect fields that protect the wards by keeping the outer skin separate from the rest of the structures, which protects it from intense external damage. It stands to reason the Citadel (with it’s arms closed) could also sustain external hits of a Gigaton or greater.

In essence; the Citadel would have to incur a massive internalized explosion, where it is most vulnerable. To be lenient lets place the explosion at no greater than 1 Gigaton (although could be as great as 10 Gigaton).

The Human Body
At 537 degrees celsius (1000 Fahrenheit) the human skin catches fire.
At 982 degrees celsius (1800 Fahrenheit) human bones can turn to ash
The blast that would have destroyed the Citadel would have produced temperatures in excess of 8,000,000 degrees celsius (14,400,032 Fahrenheit) vaporizing anyone inside the blast zone.

So what am I trying to say, well....


...but wait, how come after all that exploding and vaporizing we get treated to seeing this?...



Other reasons why the above image can't be the case:

-If the Citadel was parked about 238,855 miles (384,000km) from Earth (using the moons orbital distance as a frame of reference) it would take Shepard at least 13+ hours to reach earths outer atmosphere if he was able to propel himself at a direct vector and at the safe orbital re-entry speed of 17,500 mph (28,163 kph). 

-This could become problematic without an envirosuit as the human respiratory system can only last up to 90 seconds within a vacuum. 

-Assuming he can either come directly straight down or survive temps of up to 11,726 degrees Celsius (21,138 fahrenheit) by skimming the atmosphere during the re-entry period his next obstacle of focus would be the 300km drop to the ground, during this stage he should reach his max terminal velocity speed of 125mph (200kph) somewhere neer the mesosphere, making his fall last around around 1.6 hours.

-If he already wasn't dead from being at ground zero of a 1Gt explosion (that's 50x greater than the bomb dropped on Hiroshima) his inability of breathing in a vacuum (dead within 90 seconds). He would surely be dead from suffering Hypoxia and Hypothermia for over an hour and a half.

Oh, I could think of at least one way it could all make sense...

This needs posted on a few other topics, I think

Salient Archer wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

Salient Archer wrote...

In
regards to a post made earlier, I'm assuming a few "terminal velocity
experts" here haven't actually taken as many physics classes as they
think (or maybe slept through a few)... check your facts about terminal
velocity before you make assumptions ... you would think an ex-raaf
pilot might know a few more things about it than you seem to believe.

Just
to be clear: Although people have survived falls from terminal velocity
(although it's a very limited number) they usually don't need to travel
through the several layers of atmosphere that Shepard would have.

Hitting
an object at 200kph vertically isn't any more terminal than hitting an
object at 200kph horizontally, (considering a 200kph car accident with a
stationary object is just as severe as free-fall) But lets face it,
both are going to mess you up but still leave enough of you to be
scooped up at the end.

Precisely.
I do (well, did really) a bit of motorsports - did some karting when I was a kid and then did a half-dozen formula ford races.
Then,
had a crash whilst testing out a new car in wales, and basically took a
wheel to the head at some speed. Obviously I survived, would have
killed me had my head not already been back against the back of the
cockpit and I hadn't had a proper neck brace as it'd have broken my neck
on impact but I was out of hospital the same week.

Now, modern
helmets are even better than that. If Felipe Massa had been wearing a
helmet like mine he'd have been killed back in '09 when he took a 1kg
spring to the face at 160mph.

What I'm trying to say here is,
with sci-fi logic and 160 years of materials research it's believeable
that a brain could be kept relatively intact during a terminal velocity
impact (although I don't buy re-entry), but NOT a 10km-fireball
explosion [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/tongue.png[/smilie]

By
the by if you ever saw Jeb Corliss's recent crash, he clipped a
mountain at probably ~190kph and he's walking without crutches again now
[smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/lol.png[/smilie]

Far
out, you were pretty damn lucky to survive it, but I'm glad you did.
Funny you should mention Jeb Corliss' crash as my father-in law was only
talking about it today, Jeb is one lucky SOB but shows how possible it
is with "todays" tech to survive these kind of speeds, fast forward 171
years and include advancement via prothean tech and you have armor we
couldn't comprehend yet.

So the big difference between ME2 and ME3.


1) Alchera only has 85% the gravity of earth and a completely different makeup of atmospheric gasses.

2)
Shepard was wearing his Onyx battle armor during his Alchera fall,
where as in ME3 he was basically wearing a t-shirt and pants.

3)
unless he’s Superman (or Chuck Norris) there’s no way he was going to
survive a 1Gt explosion or the thermal aftershock waves. 

4) He doesn’t have a jetpack or let alone a face mask so how did he survive the 384,000+km self-propelled trip back
to earth?

5)
He never did survive his decent down to Alchera and was dead before he
even entered it’s atmosphere as the human respiratory system stops after
90 seconds in a vacuum anyway.

6) Anyone who thinks that Alchera
is an example of how Shepard could survive a fall from the citadel back
down to earth is a deluded monkey considering Shepard NEVER SURVIVED
ALCHERA!!

Agreed on all your points, but my god if I was a modder thanks to #2 I'd feel compelled to go and make a mod that allows you to play through the game in a hawaiian shirt, shorts & sunglasses

[Salient Archer]

TSA_383 wrote...
*snip*

Agreed on all your points, but my god if I was a modder thanks to #2 I'd feel compelled to go and make a mod that allows you to play through the game in a hawaiian shirt, shorts & sunglasses

[TSA_383]

Salient Archer wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...
*snip*

Agreed on all your points, but my god if I was a modder thanks to #2 I'd feel compelled to go and make a mod that allows you to play through the game in a hawaiian shirt, shorts & sunglasses

Exactly. There's nothing like brokering intergalactic peace in beachwear.

Here's an interesting thread:
http://social.biowar...index/12008953/

Seems like maybe the child doesn't ever lie directly.
Unfortunately, most of the responses are typical "it's like that because they're **** writers".

Modifié par TSA_383, 12 mai 2012 - 11:16 .

[Salient Archer]

I just had a thought after talking to Aria. When the EC is released and the IDT is proven true (is there really any doubt anymore?!) I wonder if we'll ever get a chance to confront the illusive man. Aria seems to want his blood pretty bad for what he did to her on Omega. I wonder if she'll also find out that TIM's #1 boy-toy (Kai Leng) killed her daughter and hence adding to her resolve to kill him.

[HellishFiend]

TSA_383 wrote...

Here's an interesting thread:
http://social.biowar...index/12008953/

Seems like maybe the child doesn't ever lie directly.
Unfortunately, most of the responses are typical "it's like that because they're **** writers".

What exactly in that post is leading you to believe the starkid doesnt lie? The starkid blatantly lies in both face value context and IT context. I dont think that his OP was intended to come across as "starkid isnt lying", but more like "starkid is misleading you".

[HellishFiend]

Salient Archer wrote...

I just had a thought after talking to Aria. When the EC is released and the IDT is proven true (is there really any doubt anymore?!) I wonder if we'll ever get a chance to confront the illusive man. Aria seems to want his blood pretty bad for what he did to her on Omega. I wonder if she'll also find out that TIM's #1 boy-toy (Kai Leng) killed her daughter and hence adding to her resolve to kill him.

It's incredibly hard to speculate that far ahead, because there is so much uncertainty surrounding TIM's current situation. 

Did he really run off to the Citadel and directly inform the reapers as to the allied plans, as Vendetta says? Or is Vendetta mistaken/lying? TIM has us believe he is still working to try and stop the reapers, so why would he just bounce over to the Citadel and warn them?

And assuming that is what he did, what becomes of him after he essentially turns himself over to the Reapers?

In any case, I find it doubtful that we'll be able to have a "traditional" confrontation with him, at this stage. 

[TSA_383]

HellishFiend wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

Here's an interesting thread:
http://social.biowar...index/12008953/

Seems like maybe the child doesn't ever lie directly.
Unfortunately, most of the responses are typical "it's like that because they're **** writers".

What exactly in that post is leading you to believe the starkid doesnt lie? The starkid blatantly lies in both face value context and IT context. I dont think that his OP was intended to come across as "starkid isnt lying", but more like "starkid is misleading you".

But he doesn't lie exactly.
Destroy:
"You can wipe out all synthetic life if you want"
"You yourself are partly synthetic"

Control:
"Yes, but he could never control us because we already controlled him"
"You will die. You will control us, but you will lose everything you have"
^Isn't there an indirect implication there that you will control the reapers...but you will no longer be yourself, they will control you...

Synthesis:
"Synthesis is the final evolution of life" (Damn you sound a lot like Sovereign)
(can't remember what else it says here)

Point is, that in describing the choices, it doesn't lie, but rather leads the player towards making certain implications in their head. Maybe the fact that your own Shepard's voice is part of the Catalyst's voice helps this process along.
It's...interesting.

[Salient Archer]

HellishFiend wrote...

Salient Archer wrote...

I just had a thought after talking to Aria. When the EC is released and the IDT is proven true (is there really any doubt anymore?!) I wonder if we'll ever get a chance to confront the illusive man. Aria seems to want his blood pretty bad for what he did to her on Omega. I wonder if she'll also find out that TIM's #1 boy-toy (Kai Leng) killed her daughter and hence adding to her resolve to kill him.

It's incredibly hard to speculate that far ahead, because there is so much uncertainty surrounding TIM's current situation. 

Did he really run off to the Citadel and directly inform the reapers as to the allied plans, as Vendetta says? Or is Vendetta mistaken/lying? TIM has us believe he is still working to try and stop the reapers, so why would he just bounce over to the Citadel and warn them?

And assuming that is what he did, what becomes of him after he essentially turns himself over to the Reapers?

In any case, I find it doubtful that we'll be able to have a "traditional" confrontation with him, at this stage. 

Well this is what they had planned...
http://i.imgur.com/YyFsR.jpgp

Modifié par Salient Archer, 12 mai 2012 - 11:36 .

[HellishFiend]

Salient Archer wrote...


Well this is what they had planned...

Horrible idea. I'm glad they didnt do it. 

[Salient Archer]

HellishFiend wrote...

Salient Archer wrote...


Well this is what they had planned...

Horrible idea. I'm glad they didnt do it. 

Agreed, to be honest I hate end bosses in games like this; they always seem silly. Zelda, Mario even GoW they're perfect but not an RPG.

[SubAstris]

Isn't Carnifex just the standard gun that BW uses, and so little can actually be inferred from it at the end?

[estebanus]

SubAstris wrote...

Isn't Carnifex just the standard gun that BW uses, and so little can actually be inferred from it at the end?

Nope, not the carnifex. The predator is.

[HellishFiend]

TSA_383 wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

Here's an interesting thread:
http://social.biowar...index/12008953/

Seems like maybe the child doesn't ever lie directly.
Unfortunately, most of the responses are typical "it's like that because they're **** writers".

What exactly in that post is leading you to believe the starkid doesnt lie? The starkid blatantly lies in both face value context and IT context. I dont think that his OP was intended to come across as "starkid isnt lying", but more like "starkid is misleading you".

But he doesn't lie exactly.
Destroy:
"You can wipe out all synthetic life if you want"
"You yourself are partly synthetic"

Control:
"Yes, but he could never control us because we already controlled him"
"You will die. You will control us, but you will lose everything you have"
^Isn't there an indirect implication there that you will control the reapers...but you will no longer be yourself, they will control you...

Synthesis:
"Synthesis is the final evolution of life" (Damn you sound a lot like Sovereign)
(can't remember what else it says here)

Point is, that in describing the choices, it doesn't lie, but rather leads the player towards making certain implications in their head. Maybe the fact that your own Shepard's voice is part of the Catalyst's voice helps this process along.
It's...interesting.

Sure, individually his statements can be spun in a particular way to where they are not lies, but thats like saying that a criminal guilty of murder is telling the truth by saying he's innocent because he's speaking figuratively.

Context, implication, and summary cant be written off so easily when searching for truths. If they could, we'd have no reason to believe in IT in the first place. 

[estebanus]

Salient Archer wrote...

I just had a thought after talking to Aria. When the EC is released and the IDT is proven true (is there really any doubt anymore?!) I wonder if we'll ever get a chance to confront the illusive man. Aria seems to want his blood pretty bad for what he did to her on Omega. I wonder if she'll also find out that TIM's #1 boy-toy (Kai Leng) killed her daughter and hence adding to her resolve to kill him.

Why are you so certain that the IT will be proven true?

[MegumiAzusa]

HellishFiend wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz posted a screen a few pages back of the split second where the Normandy appears to become twisted apart right before it cuts to black when being chased by the space magic. I hadnt seen it before.

You can see that in both control and destroy with relative ease, in synthesis that moment is too overloaded with effects. You can make out some silouettes in the last frame, but only the really last frame.

Modifié par MegumiAzusa, 12 mai 2012 - 11:51 .

[SubAstris]

estebanus wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

Isn't Carnifex just the standard gun that BW uses, and so little can actually be inferred from it at the end?

Nope, not the carnifex. The predator is.

Ok, I don't usually pay attention to the guns so thanks

[Salient Archer]

estebanus wrote...

Salient Archer wrote...

I just had a thought after talking to Aria. When the EC is released and the IDT is proven true (is there really any doubt anymore?!) I wonder if we'll ever get a chance to confront the illusive man. Aria seems to want his blood pretty bad for what he did to her on Omega. I wonder if she'll also find out that TIM's #1 boy-toy (Kai Leng) killed her daughter and hence adding to her resolve to kill him.

Why are you so certain that the IT will be proven true?

No real reason, I just like stiring the pot.

[estebanus]

SubAstris wrote...

estebanus wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

Isn't Carnifex just the standard gun that BW uses, and so little can actually be inferred from it at the end?

Nope, not the carnifex. The predator is.

Ok, I don't usually pay attention to the guns so thanks

No problem.

[Salient Archer]

Modifié par Salient Archer, 12 mai 2012 - 11:53 .