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[estebanus]

Salient Archer wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Salient Archer wrote...

I just had a thought after talking to Aria. When the EC is released and the IDT is proven true (is there really any doubt anymore?!) I wonder if we'll ever get a chance to confront the illusive man. Aria seems to want his blood pretty bad for what he did to her on Omega. I wonder if she'll also find out that TIM's #1 boy-toy (Kai Leng) killed her daughter and hence adding to her resolve to kill him.

Why are you so certain that the IT will be proven true?

No real reason, I just like stiring the pot.

Ah. I thought you might have found something that more or less proved the IT.

[Salient Archer]

estebanus wrote...

Salient Archer wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Salient Archer wrote...

I just had a thought after talking to Aria. When the EC is released and the IDT is proven true (is there really any doubt anymore?!) I wonder if we'll ever get a chance to confront the illusive man. Aria seems to want his blood pretty bad for what he did to her on Omega. I wonder if she'll also find out that TIM's #1 boy-toy (Kai Leng) killed her daughter and hence adding to her resolve to kill him.

Why are you so certain that the IT will be proven true?

No real reason, I just like stiring the pot.

Ah. I thought you might have found something that more or less proved the IT.

Can we ever really say until the EC hopefully clears it all up? or a BioWare head says so (one way or another) I personally think the evidence [both in-game and scientifically] is in IDTs favor but I'm starting to reach the stage where I'm not even sure if I'm objective anymore due to getting so invested in it.

[Arian Dynas]

Posting to let you guys know, felt like crap today, stayed in bed, will catch up tomorrow

[MegumiAzusa]

magnetite wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

The near-unlimited ammo seems more of a game mechanic than anything, imagine trying to pick the Destroy option with no ammo because you fired it all.

There is an outcome where the infamous Marauder Shields stops you from getting to the beam. It's based off of EMS I think. Your gun does not have any ammo in it whatsoever, so you can't get past him.

Low EMS outcome

Nice fake.

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

Just gonna chime in with an interesting, but minor tidbit.

Space Brat consistently refers to himself and the Reapers as we and us, no suprises there, but interestingly he says "storing the old life in Reaper form." Why is this interesting, well listen to what Sovereign said about "Reapers."

Sovereign: "Reaper? A label created by the Protheans to give voice to their destruction, in the end what they choose to call us is irrelevant. We simply are."

See the problem here? The word Reaper does not come from the Reapers themselves and as such Star Brat should under normal conditions not use that word to describe them.

Now this is probably just the Star Brat using the word Reaper to easily let Shepard knows what he is talking about and as such probably nothing, but I found it interesting nonetheless.

Modifié par Raistlin Majare 1992, 12 mai 2012 - 12:06 .

[estebanus]

Salient Archer wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Salient Archer wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Salient Archer wrote...

I just had a thought after talking to Aria. When the EC is released and the IDT is proven true (is there really any doubt anymore?!) I wonder if we'll ever get a chance to confront the illusive man. Aria seems to want his blood pretty bad for what he did to her on Omega. I wonder if she'll also find out that TIM's #1 boy-toy (Kai Leng) killed her daughter and hence adding to her resolve to kill him.

Why are you so certain that the IT will be proven true?

No real reason, I just like stiring the pot.

Ah. I thought you might have found something that more or less proved the IT.

Can we ever really say until the EC hopefully clears it all up? or a BioWare head says so (one way or another) I personally think the evidence [both in-game and scientifically] is in IDTs favor but I'm starting to reach the stage where I'm not even sure if I'm objective anymore due to getting so invested in it.

Don't worry. I've been pro-IT from the very beginning, and I'm not 100% convinced of course, since only a fool is absolutely certain of himself. The intelligent being questions his/her motives constantly in the hope to make out mistakes.

Just play some other games in the meantime, maybe take a week off from time to time, and your head will be cleared again.

Modifié par estebanus, 12 mai 2012 - 12:02 .

[estebanus]

Arian Dynas wrote...

Posting to let you guys know, felt like crap today, stayed in bed, will catch up tomorrow

I hpe you get better! The IT needs your mind!

[Rosewind]

Arian Dynas wrote...

Posting to let you guys know, felt like crap today, stayed in bed, will catch up tomorrow

Noooooo, Cookies will make it better!!!

[lex0r11]

Rosewind wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Posting to let you guys know, felt like crap today, stayed in bed, will catch up tomorrow

Noooooo, Cookies will make it better!!!

*Alarms go off*

Quick! It's time for emergency cookies!

[Salient Archer]

Rosewind wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Posting to let you guys know, felt like crap today, stayed in bed, will catch up tomorrow

Noooooo, Cookies will make it better!!!

20cc of cookies. STAT!!!

[Salient Archer]

Scratch that: More like 1200 cc of cookies (much more delicious)

[Turbotanden]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Just gonna chime in with an interesting, but minor tidbit.

Space Brat consistently refers to himself and the Reapers as we and us, no suprises there, but interestingly he says "storing the old life in Reaper form." Why is this interesting, well listen to what Sovereign said about "Reapers."

Sovereign: "Reaper? A label created by the Protheans to give voice to their destruction, in the end what they choose to call us is irrelevant. We simply are."

See the problem here? The word Reaper does not come from the Reapers themselves and as such Star Brat should under normal conditions not use that word to describe them.

Now this is probably just the Star Brat using the word Reaper to easily let Shepard knows what he is talking about and as such probably nothing, but I found it interesting nonetheless.

It is interesting. In my view If space brat really created them he would have given them a name or label. Which makes Sovereigns statement "We simply are." kind of wierd. Plus Space Brat would probably have told us what their "real" name was.

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

Turbotanden wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Just gonna chime in with an interesting, but minor tidbit.

Space Brat consistently refers to himself and the Reapers as we and us, no suprises there, but interestingly he says "storing the old life in Reaper form." Why is this interesting, well listen to what Sovereign said about "Reapers."

Sovereign: "Reaper? A label created by the Protheans to give voice to their destruction, in the end what they choose to call us is irrelevant. We simply are."

See the problem here? The word Reaper does not come from the Reapers themselves and as such Star Brat should under normal conditions not use that word to describe them.

Now this is probably just the Star Brat using the word Reaper to easily let Shepard knows what he is talking about and as such probably nothing, but I found it interesting nonetheless.

It is interesting. In my view If space brat really created them he would have given them a name or label. Which makes Sovereigns statement "We simply are." kind of wierd. Plus Space Brat would probably have told us what their "real" name was.

Maybe, but as I said it is probable that Star Brat simply used a term it knew Shepard knew...hell if it can take form of a kid Shepard saw a few times on Earth without explanation (outside of IT) then a single word should be no problem.

[UrgentArchengel]

Bump. Still a fan of the theory, but not a true believer.

[DirtyPhoenix]

UrgentArchengel wrote...

Bump. Still a fan of the theory, but not a true believer.

Same.

[Rosewind]

lex0r11 wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Posting to let you guys know, felt like crap today, stayed in bed, will catch up tomorrow

Noooooo, Cookies will make it better!!!

*Alarms go off*

Quick! It's time for emergency cookies!

I sware Lex you lurk around till some one says cookies lol

[lex0r11]

Rosewind wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Posting to let you guys know, felt like crap today, stayed in bed, will catch up tomorrow

Noooooo, Cookies will make it better!!!

*Alarms go off*

Quick! It's time for emergency cookies!

*snip*

I sware Lex you lurk around till some one says cookies lol

Nah, we just got perfect timing.

10 minutes back home, you post cookies!

brb untill the next cookie alarm, cya!

Modifié par lex0r11, 12 mai 2012 - 12:37 .

[ironthor]

So whats with this thing about reentry? shep didnt re enter orbit at the begining of ME2. He orbited untill Cerburus picked him up. Im pretty sure the "we can rebuild him" cutseen at the begining of ME2 shows his body broken and frozen and they thaw him out. He had a leak in his suit "air escaping" so his body would have eventuly frozen. If he would have reentered a atmoshere that same hole would have ensured he would have baked. IDK if someone has already explained this (there is a lot of F&$K post.

[TSA_383]

http://social.biowar...ndex/10973597/1
By the by guys, this is interesting stuff:

Zombie Chow wrote...

Like many of you, I did not find the current ending of Mass Effect 3 entirely satisfactory. You likely know what I mean and you feel as I do, so I won't get into that.

I've been looking at the Indoctrination Theory thread and the video at , where the ending is basically a hallucination the Reapers created in Shepard's mind to fool him into just giving up. The train of thought and supporting evidence makes a lot of sense to me, at least more than taking the ending at face value.

What struck me was that Bioware has already done something like this, but almost a decade ago. It was in the game Neverwinter Nights, in an expansion called Hordes of the Underdark.

It was a Dungeons & Dragons fantasy RPG, where at one point you confront an advanced civilisation of psychic Mind Flayers, ruled by a giant Elder Brain. You can choose to negotiate with it, but if you try to attack, it psychically creates an illusion that makes you think you've won the war, ended up in a small idyllic forest, with a charming hostess inviting you to a celebration (to my recollection, it's been years since I played this). If you accept, the credits roll exactly as if you completed the game.

The preferred solution against the Elder Brain, of course, was to use your character's Wisdom score or just common sense to break out of the psychic deception and fight back.

Edit - Below, fellow player Ellychid32 pointed out something even I missed. Bioware also used this mind trick idea in Dragon Age: Origins (during a sequence where you enter the world of dreams). Again an enemy mentally constructs a perfect scenario where your mentor congratulates you on your victory and the only way out is to attack him. This trope just seems to be something that Bioware likes to use, 10 years ago, 3 years ago, and IMHO now.

Now back to ME3. I just found the secret ending to keep Shepard alive. More importantly, it only applies if you choose to destroy all synths, both Reaper and Geth according to the God Child. I didn't choose that before as that seems too Renegade for my previous Shepard alts, but now I know that exists, it maps closely to the situation in Hordes of the Underdark. The "correct answer" is not to make peace, not to control, not to even try to be a Paragon, but just fight back to resist the illusion.

I believe the pieces of evidence in the Indoctrination Theory are intentional clues left by Bioware. The current endings are a deliberate and very convincing mind trick not just on Shepard, but on us as players so that we're really immersed. We totally fell for it, so well done, Bioware! Bioware wants the fans to figure it out before they release a DLC that builds on this. Well, clearly you did figure it out, with your beautiful explanations, and soon the DLC with the true ending is coming.

I just wanted to share this information to those that never played the Neverwinter Nights series (as they're quite old), seeing that this is a sort of mind trick Bioware used before, to show that hope is on the way.

Modifié par TSA_383, 12 mai 2012 - 12:48 .

[Salient Archer]

ironthor wrote...

So whats with this thing about reentry? shep didnt re enter orbit at the begining of ME2. He orbited untill Cerburus picked him up. Im pretty sure the "we can rebuild him" cutseen at the begining of ME2 shows his body broken and frozen and they thaw him out. He had a leak in his suit "air escaping" so his body would have eventuly frozen. If he would have reentered a atmoshere that same hole would have ensured he would have baked. IDK if someone has already explained this (there is a lot of F&$K post.

He might not have baked necessarily as Alchera’s atmosphere isn’t as dense or even made up of the same gases as Earths. Also shuttles only burn up during reentry because of friction because of skimming (deliberately) so they can maintain drag. Hence why they don’t burn when exiting our atmosphere because they fly mostly straight up and out.

Modifié par Salient Archer, 12 mai 2012 - 12:47 .

[Big G13]

Arian Dynas wrote...

Posting to let you guys know, felt like crap today, stayed in bed, will catch up tomorrow

Thread father home remedy: 3000 mg Vitamin C, a pint of bourbon, a heating pad, and a blanket. Unless of coarse the bourbon is why you feel like crap. In which case, 3000 mg Vitamin E, Aspirin, and gallons of water. 
Hope you're feeling well soon.

[HellishFiend]

TSA_383 wrote...

http://social.biowar...ndex/10973597/1
By the by guys, this is interesting stuff:

Yeah, I read that thread back when he first posted it. If my memory serves me, that very thread was actually what got me into IT. Back when this all started, I nearly dismissed IT as wishful thinking without even giving it a chance. Then something clicked (I think it was having read that thread), I watched ACAVYOS's IT video, and it all made sense. 

[Rosewind]

Big G13 wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Posting to let you guys know, felt like crap today, stayed in bed, will catch up tomorrow

Thread father home remedy: 3000 mg Vitamin C, a pint of bourbon, a heating pad, and a blanket. Unless of coarse the bourbon is why you feel like crap. In which case, 3000 mg Vitamin E, Aspirin, and gallons of water. 
Hope you're feeling well soon.

Bleh Bourbon

[paxxton]

ironthor wrote...

So whats with this thing about reentry? shep didnt re enter orbit at the begining of ME2. He orbited untill Cerburus picked him up. Im pretty sure the "we can rebuild him" cutseen at the begining of ME2 shows his body broken and frozen and they thaw him out. He had a leak in his suit "air escaping" so his body would have eventuly frozen. If he would have reentered a atmoshere that same hole would have ensured he would have baked. IDK if someone has already explained this (there is a lot of F&$K post.

This is the Fiction part in Science Fiction.

[Rosewind]

ironthor wrote...

So whats with this thing about reentry? shep didnt re enter orbit at the begining of ME2. He orbited untill Cerburus picked him up. Im pretty sure the "we can rebuild him" cutseen at the begining of ME2 shows his body broken and frozen and they thaw him out. He had a leak in his suit "air escaping" so his body would have eventuly frozen. If he would have reentered a atmoshere that same hole would have ensured he would have baked. IDK if someone has already explained this (there is a lot of F&$K post.

We were saying it is improbable that he survives re-entry so you basicly preaching to the choir here lol