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Rosewind wrote...

Big G13 wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Posting to let you guys know, felt like crap today, stayed in bed, will catch up tomorrow

Thread father home remedy: 3000 mg Vitamin C, a pint of bourbon, a heating pad, and a blanket. Unless of coarse the bourbon is why you feel like crap. In which case, 3000 mg Vitamin E, Aspirin, and gallons of water. ;)
Hope you're feeling well soon.


Bleh Bourbon

Try it with cookies, maybe it will taste better.:P

#56052
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Big G13 wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

Big G13 wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Posting to let you guys know, felt like crap today, stayed in bed, will catch up tomorrow

Thread father home remedy: 3000 mg Vitamin C, a pint of bourbon, a heating pad, and a blanket. Unless of coarse the bourbon is why you feel like crap. In which case, 3000 mg Vitamin E, Aspirin, and gallons of water. ;)
Hope you're feeling well soon.


Bleh Bourbon

Try it with cookies, maybe it will taste better.:P


No thanks hate bourbon and whiskey.

#56053
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So whats with this thing about reentry? shep didnt re enter orbit at the begining of ME2. He orbited untill Cerburus picked him up. Im pretty sure the "we can rebuild him" cutseen at the begining of ME2 shows his body broken and frozen and they thaw him out. He had a leak in his suit "air escaping" so his body would have eventuly frozen. If he would have reentered a atmoshere that same hole would have ensured he would have baked. IDK if someone has already explained this (there is a lot of F&$K post.


We were saying it is improbable that he survives re-entry so you basicly preaching to the choir here lol


+1 He might not have baked necessarily in Alchera’s atmosphere as it isn’t as dense or even made up of the same gases as Earths. Also shuttles only burn up during reentry because of friction because of skimming (deliberately) so they can maintain drag. Hence why they don’t burn when exiting our atmosphere because they fly mostly straight up and out.

If it was Earth's atmosphere on the other hand he would have to survive temps of up to 1500+°C as soon as he hits the thermosphere and that's even if he was flying perfectly straight down and without any extra friction.
So no matter what way you look at it Shepard wouldn't bake, he'd be ash.

Modifié par Salient Archer, 12 mai 2012 - 01:10 .


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It really is shocking how much the re-entry thing keeps getting discussed.

Honest question, are the face value folk vehemently defending Shepard surviving re-entry in the breath scene, or him being on the Citadel in the breath scene?

If theyre claiming he's still on the Citadel, us spending so much effort discussing re-entry is nearly a moot endeavor.

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paxxton wrote...

ironthor wrote...

So whats with this thing about reentry? shep didnt re enter orbit at the begining of ME2. He orbited untill Cerburus picked him up. Im pretty sure the "we can rebuild him" cutseen at the begining of ME2 shows his body broken and frozen and they thaw him out. He had a leak in his suit "air escaping" so his body would have eventuly frozen. If he would have reentered a atmoshere that same hole would have ensured he would have baked. IDK if someone has already explained this (there is a lot of F&$K post.


This is the Fiction part in Science Fiction.


1 - He was not orbiting, he was on the planet. You know that cause you can find his helmet on the crash site.
 2 - It was not Cerberus who recovered his body, it was the Shadow Broker.

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marcelo_sdk wrote...

paxxton wrote...

ironthor wrote...

So whats with this thing about reentry? shep didnt re enter orbit at the begining of ME2. He orbited untill Cerburus picked him up. Im pretty sure the "we can rebuild him" cutseen at the begining of ME2 shows his body broken and frozen and they thaw him out. He had a leak in his suit "air escaping" so his body would have eventuly frozen. If he would have reentered a atmoshere that same hole would have ensured he would have baked. IDK if someone has already explained this (there is a lot of F&$K post.


This is the Fiction part in Science Fiction.


1 - He was not orbiting, he was on the planet. You know that cause you can find his helmet on the crash site.
 2 - It was not Cerberus who recovered his body, it was the Shadow Broker.


Yeah, I just wanted to say that in RL Shepard would have been nothing more than ashes after re-entry. Well, unless the planet on which he "crashed" didn't have sufficiently dense atmosphere. Did anyone consider that? In which case, he would have ended up on the ground resembling a splash of blood several kilometers in diameter. Surely, you can recover at least DNA from that.

Modifié par paxxton, 12 mai 2012 - 01:34 .


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I just had a thought after talking to Aria. When the EC is released and the IDT is proven true (is there really any doubt anymore?!) I wonder if we'll ever get a chance to confront the illusive man. Aria seems to want his blood pretty bad for what he did to her on Omega. I wonder if she'll also find out that TIM's #1 boy-toy (Kai Leng) killed her daughter and hence adding to her resolve to kill him.


In case it hasn't been mentioned yet; Aria already knows that TIM was responsible for her daughters death, If I remember correctly after a fight between Aria's mercs and a phychic movement(can't remember the name)  one member of the gang sells the information to her in return for her medial treatment.

It's been a while since I read the book though

Modifié par bigstig, 12 mai 2012 - 01:48 .


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HellishFiend wrote...

It really is shocking how much the re-entry thing keeps getting discussed.

Honest question, are the face value folk vehemently defending Shepard surviving re-entry in the breath scene, or him being on the Citadel in the breath scene?

If theyre claiming he's still on the Citadel, us spending so much effort discussing re-entry is nearly a moot endeavor.


Honestly, a bunch of these face value guys need to be dropped into re-entry themselves.  Regardless, we should keep talking about it, it pisses them off even more and we all get to have fun discussing what we love, Mass Effect.

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ironthor wrote...

So whats with this thing about reentry? shep didnt re enter orbit at the begining of ME2. He orbited untill Cerburus picked him up. Im pretty sure the "we can rebuild him" cutseen at the begining of ME2 shows his body broken and frozen and they thaw him out. He had a leak in his suit "air escaping" so his body would have eventuly frozen. If he would have reentered a atmoshere that same hole would have ensured he would have baked. IDK if someone has already explained this (there is a lot of F&$K post.

Go back and look at the cutscene again, Shepard is definitely falling and you see the plasma trail as s/he begins to burn up, also the helmet that supposedly protected Shepards brain is on the planet surface, you find it while exploring the Normandy crash site.

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They said no postending DLC, but not anything about a bigass expansion XD There is so many unfinished business ( TIM, Citadel, ending the reaper war most of all); I doubt whether a cutscene-only DLC would be enough to wrap it all up.


Where did they say that there will definitively be no post-ending DLC? I dont recall them saying that.


In case this hasn't been answered link to Bioware blog

BiowareBlog wrote...

Are there going to be more/different endings or ending DLCs in the future?

  • No. BioWare strongly believes in the team’s artistic vision for the end of this arc of the Mass Effect franchise. The extended cut DLC will expand on the existing endings, but no further ending DLC is planned.
Key thing is that is says no further ending DLC is planned, 

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UrgentArchengel wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

It really is shocking how much the re-entry thing keeps getting discussed.

Honest question, are the face value folk vehemently defending Shepard surviving re-entry in the breath scene, or him being on the Citadel in the breath scene?

If theyre claiming he's still on the Citadel, us spending so much effort discussing re-entry is nearly a moot endeavor.


Honestly, a bunch of these face value guys need to be dropped into re-entry themselves.  Regardless, we should keep talking about it, it pisses them off even more and we all get to have fun discussing what we love, Mass Effect.


Pisses who off? I know it annoys me yes he did re-enter a differnt planet with unknown variables, but this is Earth's atmosphere we talking about and we all know about our own lol.

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bigstig wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...


They said no postending DLC, but not anything about a bigass expansion XD There is so many unfinished business ( TIM, Citadel, ending the reaper war most of all); I doubt whether a cutscene-only DLC would be enough to wrap it all up.


Where did they say that there will definitively be no post-ending DLC? I dont recall them saying that.


In case this hasn't been answered link to Bioware blog

BiowareBlog wrote...

Are there going to be more/different endings or ending DLCs in the future?

  • No. BioWare strongly believes in the team’s artistic vision for the end of this arc of the Mass Effect franchise. The extended cut DLC will expand on the existing endings, but no further ending DLC is planned.
Key thing is that is says no further ending DLC is planned, 



That doesnt answer my question, though. "Post-ending" DLC is not the same as "ending" DLC. I was asking if they ever said they will not do post-ending DLC. 

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1 - He was not orbiting, he was on the planet. You know that cause you can find his helmet on the crash site.
 2 - It was not Cerberus who recovered his body, it was the Shadow Broker.


Do I really have to bring up the point again about the EXTREMELY REMOTE possibility that maybe Shepard had a spare helmet?

#56064
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Unschuld wrote...

marcelo_sdk wrote...


1 - He was not orbiting, he was on the planet. You know that cause you can find his helmet on the crash site.
 2 - It was not Cerberus who recovered his body, it was the Shadow Broker.


Do I really have to bring up the point again about the EXTREMELY REMOTE possibility that maybe Shepard had a spare helmet?


Yeah I always thought it was a spare helmet since it kept his brain intact why would they discard it there.

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Unschuld wrote...

marcelo_sdk wrote...


1 - He was not orbiting, he was on the planet. You know that cause you can find his helmet on the crash site.
 2 - It was not Cerberus who recovered his body, it was the Shadow Broker.


Do I really have to bring up the point again about the EXTREMELY REMOTE possibility that maybe Shepard had a spare helmet?


Wouldn't that be a bit too much detail?  It's just simpler to have only one Helmet, and that was it.  In real life, yeah, of course there would be a spare, but this isn't real life we're talking about.

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Unschuld wrote...

marcelo_sdk wrote...


1 - He was not orbiting, he was on the planet. You know that cause you can find his helmet on the crash site.
 2 - It was not Cerberus who recovered his body, it was the Shadow Broker.


Do I really have to bring up the point again about the EXTREMELY REMOTE possibility that maybe Shepard had a spare helmet?

Then finding an N7 helmet as a souvenir becomes a moot point, might as well get a spare from the armory, it would be in much better condition.
Anyway, the mission notes specifically state Shepards N7 helmet found.

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Rosewind wrote...

Unschuld wrote...

marcelo_sdk wrote...


1 - He was not orbiting, he was on the planet. You know that cause you can find his helmet on the crash site.
 2 - It was not Cerberus who recovered his body, it was the Shadow Broker.


Do I really have to bring up the point again about the EXTREMELY REMOTE possibility that maybe Shepard had a spare helmet?


Yeah I always thought it was a spare helmet since it kept his brain intact why would they discard it there.


No, it was left there so that Shepard could do this:

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Rosewind wrote...

Unschuld wrote...

marcelo_sdk wrote...


1 - He was not orbiting, he was on the planet. You know that cause you can find his helmet on the crash site.
 2 - It was not Cerberus who recovered his body, it was the Shadow Broker.


Do I really have to bring up the point again about the EXTREMELY REMOTE possibility that maybe Shepard had a spare helmet?


Yeah I always thought it was a spare helmet since it kept his brain intact why would they discard it there.


Maybe he was operated on on-site.

Modifié par paxxton, 12 mai 2012 - 01:41 .


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Because I'm tired of posting it: Here's my facts that cover pretty much every detail you'd need to know about both why Shepard couldn't survive the citadel explosion and why he couldn't survive reentry.

http://social.biowar...3/2241#12009134

My reference: Flying things with wings and big-ass turbines on the back of them.

Modifié par Salient Archer, 12 mai 2012 - 01:45 .


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I feel like reading a thread of WoW, lmao.

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paxxton wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

Unschuld wrote...

marcelo_sdk wrote...


1 - He was not orbiting, he was on the planet. You know that cause you can find his helmet on the crash site.
 2 - It was not Cerberus who recovered his body, it was the Shadow Broker.


Do I really have to bring up the point again about the EXTREMELY REMOTE possibility that maybe Shepard had a spare helmet?


Yeah I always thought it was a spare helmet since it kept his brain intact why would they discard it there.


Maybe he was operated on on-site.


By who? Wasnt it just Feron and Liara who found him/her?

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Rosewind wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

Unschuld wrote...

marcelo_sdk wrote...


1 - He was not orbiting, he was on the planet. You know that cause you can find his helmet on the crash site.
 2 - It was not Cerberus who recovered his body, it was the Shadow Broker.


Do I really have to bring up the point again about the EXTREMELY REMOTE possibility that maybe Shepard had a spare helmet?


Yeah I always thought it was a spare helmet since it kept his brain intact why would they discard it there.


Maybe he was operated on on-site.


By who? Wasnt it just Feron and Liara who found him/her?


A search for "survivors" doesn't usually happen without a medical staff or medical VIs. Besides, he could have lost his helmet during the fall from orbit. In which case, it's strange it lay on-site. So perhaps it was a spare helmet left on the Normandy.

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By who? Wasnt it just Feron and Liara who found him/her?


No, The Shadow Broker had agents collect Shepard so he would sell the remains to the Collectors, Feron and Liara teamed up with Cerberus (or rather worked for) and got Shep back.  That's when Liara and Feron gave Shep to Cerberus.

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paxxton wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

Unschuld wrote...

marcelo_sdk wrote...


1 - He was not orbiting, he was on the planet. You know that cause you can find his helmet on the crash site.
 2 - It was not Cerberus who recovered his body, it was the Shadow Broker.


Do I really have to bring up the point again about the EXTREMELY REMOTE possibility that maybe Shepard had a spare helmet?


Yeah I always thought it was a spare helmet since it kept his brain intact why would they discard it there.


Maybe he was operated on on-site.


By who? Wasnt it just Feron and Liara who found him/her?


A search for "survivors" doesn't usually happen without a medical staff or medical VIs. Beside, he could have lost his helmet during the fall from orbit. In which case, it's strange it lay on-site. So perhaps it was a spare helmet left on the Normandy.


My point exactly, anyway doesn't the Doctor in the Cerberus base talk about the helmet being the only thing to keep Shep's brain intact so safe to assume they didn't take it off and leave it there anyway.

Edit: Anyway what kind of solider has only one set of armour lol.

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Rosewind wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

Unschuld wrote...

marcelo_sdk wrote...


1 - He was not orbiting, he was on the planet. You know that cause you can find his helmet on the crash site.
 2 - It was not Cerberus who recovered his body, it was the Shadow Broker.


Do I really have to bring up the point again about the EXTREMELY REMOTE possibility that maybe Shepard had a spare helmet?


Yeah I always thought it was a spare helmet since it kept his brain intact why would they discard it there.


Maybe he was operated on on-site.


By who? Wasnt it just Feron and Liara who found him/her?


A search for "survivors" doesn't usually happen without a medical staff or medical VIs. Beside, he could have lost his helmet during the fall from orbit. In which case, it's strange it lay on-site. So perhaps it was a spare helmet left on the Normandy.


My point exactly, anyway doesn't the Doctor in the Cerberus base talk about the helmet being the only thing to keep Shep's brain intact so safe to assume they didn't take it off and leave it there anyway.

Edit: Anyway what kind of solider has only one set of armour lol.

Maybe he was operated on on-site. Posted Image