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HellishFiend wrote...

bigstig wrote...

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They said no postending DLC, but not anything about a bigass expansion XD There is so many unfinished business ( TIM, Citadel, ending the reaper war most of all); I doubt whether a cutscene-only DLC would be enough to wrap it all up.


Where did they say that there will definitively be no post-ending DLC? I dont recall them saying that.


In case this hasn't been answered link to Bioware blog

BiowareBlog wrote...

Are there going to be more/different endings or ending DLCs in the future?

  • No. BioWare strongly believes in the team’s artistic vision for the end of this arc of the Mass Effect franchise. The extended cut DLC will expand on the existing endings, but no further ending DLC is planned.
Key thing is that is says no further ending DLC is planned, 



That doesnt answer my question, though. "Post-ending" DLC is not the same as "ending" DLC. I was asking if they ever said they will not do post-ending DLC. 

My bad, Posted Image I don't think they have ever categorically stated that there will be post ending DLC either one way or the other.

They have confirmed that more DLC is planned(I don't think anyone expected anything different) however post game DLC depends on the EC. if there is any postgame DLC planned I suspect it'll be with Vega or another crew mate.

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1 - He was not orbiting, he was on the planet. You know that cause you can find his helmet on the crash site.
 2 - It was not Cerberus who recovered his body, it was the Shadow Broker.


Do I really have to bring up the point again about the EXTREMELY REMOTE possibility that maybe Shepard had a spare helmet?


Yeah I always thought it was a spare helmet since it kept his brain intact why would they discard it there.


Maybe he was operated on on-site.


By who? Wasnt it just Feron and Liara who found him/her?


A search for "survivors" doesn't usually happen without a medical staff or medical VIs. Beside, he could have lost his helmet during the fall from orbit. In which case, it's strange it lay on-site. So perhaps it was a spare helmet left on the Normandy.


My point exactly, anyway doesn't the Doctor in the Cerberus base talk about the helmet being the only thing to keep Shep's brain intact so safe to assume they didn't take it off and leave it there anyway.

Edit: Anyway what kind of solider has only one set of armour lol.

Maybe he was operated on on-site. Posted Image


Lol stop I know your trying to stir me ><

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Stop stirring Rose!

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lex0r11 wrote...

Stop stirring Rose!


Hey Lex0r <3.

Anyway the whole he survived re-entry thing annoying me now, people need to pay attention more in science.

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By the way, a few posts back someone posted an image of the relays exploding to point out it's not the Sol system that it starts in. Just wanted to point out that there is (somewhere back in the thread) a really good comparison image, where someone maps out the path of the beams and shows its corresponding part in the galaxy map. (anyone know where that's floating about)

Anyway, about this - if the devs were lazy enough to get the starting system wrong, then why does the path of the beam actually correspond to the galaxy map? Apparently they took the time to animate the beam going from system to system accurately, but didn't use the correct starting point?

Another example of a weird error to me.

Modifié par SS2Dante, 12 mai 2012 - 02:09 .


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SS2Dante wrote...

By the way, a few posts back someone posted an image of the relays exploding to point out it's not the Sol system that it starts in. Just wanted to point out that there is (somewhere back in the thread) a really good comparison image, where someone maps out the path of the beams and shows its corresponding part in the galaxy map. (anyone know where that's floating about)

Anyway, about this - if the devs were lazy enough to get the starting system wrong, then why does the path of the beam actually correspond to the galaxy map? Apparently they took the time to animate the beam going from system to system accurately, but didn't use the correct starting point?

Another example of a weird error to me.


The ones where it shows coming the crap forgot the name of the systems, but the system is to far down for it to be sol?

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Rosewind wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

Stop stirring Rose!


Hey Lex0r <3.

Anyway the whole he survived re-entry thing annoying me now, people need to pay attention more in science.


Always prefered Chemistry.  Lol. 

Modifié par UrgentArchengel, 12 mai 2012 - 02:13 .


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SS2Dante wrote...

By the way, a few posts back someone posted an image of the relays exploding to point out it's not the Sol system that it starts in. Just wanted to point out that there is (somewhere back in the thread) a really good comparison image, where someone maps out the path of the beams and shows its corresponding part in the galaxy map. (anyone know where that's floating about)

Anyway, about this - if the devs were lazy enough to get the starting system wrong, then why does the path of the beam actually correspond to the galaxy map? Apparently they took the time to animate the beam going from system to system accurately, but didn't use the correct starting point?

Another example of a weird error to me.


I think they ommited the part where the magic beam hits that relay. Other than that, yeah they either screed up on it thinking most players wouldn't notice or they're hinting at something.

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UrgentArchengel wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

Stop stirring Rose!


Hey Lex0r <3.

Anyway the whole he survived re-entry thing annoying me now, people need to pay attention more in science.


Always prefered Chemistry.  Lol. 


Same here but it is honestly basic science, well in my country it is.

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Rosewind wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

By the way, a few posts back someone posted an image of the relays exploding to point out it's not the Sol system that it starts in. Just wanted to point out that there is (somewhere back in the thread) a really good comparison image, where someone maps out the path of the beams and shows its corresponding part in the galaxy map. (anyone know where that's floating about)

Anyway, about this - if the devs were lazy enough to get the starting system wrong, then why does the path of the beam actually correspond to the galaxy map? Apparently they took the time to animate the beam going from system to system accurately, but didn't use the correct starting point?

Another example of a weird error to me.


The ones where it shows coming the crap forgot the name of the systems, but the system is to far down for it to be sol?


Think these may have been it



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EDIT - friggen images do NOT want to cooperate :P

Modifié par SS2Dante, 12 mai 2012 - 02:22 .


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Rosewind wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

Unschuld wrote...

marcelo_sdk wrote...


1 - He was not orbiting, he was on the planet. You know that cause you can find his helmet on the crash site.
 2 - It was not Cerberus who recovered his body, it was the Shadow Broker.


Do I really have to bring up the point again about the EXTREMELY REMOTE possibility that maybe Shepard had a spare helmet?


Yeah I always thought it was a spare helmet since it kept his brain intact why would they discard it there.


Maybe he was operated on on-site.


By who? Wasnt it just Feron and Liara who found him/her?


A search for "survivors" doesn't usually happen without a medical staff or medical VIs. Beside, he could have lost his helmet during the fall from orbit. In which case, it's strange it lay on-site. So perhaps it was a spare helmet left on the Normandy.


My point exactly, anyway doesn't the Doctor in the Cerberus base talk about the helmet being the only thing to keep Shep's brain intact so safe to assume they didn't take it off and leave it there anyway.

Edit: Anyway what kind of solider has only one set of armour lol.

Maybe he was operated on on-site. Posted Image


Lol stop I know your trying to stir me ><


No kidding. Posted Image

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UrgentArchengel wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

Stop stirring Rose!


Hey Lex0r <3.

Anyway the whole he survived re-entry thing annoying me now, people need to pay attention more in science.


Always prefered Chemistry.  Lol. 


Liberal arts FTW!! :) 

Just stopping in to say hi, folks. Busy busy today, but I wanted to make sure to give everyone here a hug. <3

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Rosewind wrote...

UrgentArchengel wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

Stop stirring Rose!


Hey Lex0r <3.

Anyway the whole he survived re-entry thing annoying me now, people need to pay attention more in science.


Always prefered Chemistry.  Lol. 


Same here but it is honestly basic science, well in my country it is.


Yup!  There is no way Shep survived or wasn't burned up.

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just going to place this here and be off to bed.
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UrgentArchengel wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

UrgentArchengel wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

Stop stirring Rose!


Hey Lex0r <3.

Anyway the whole he survived re-entry thing annoying me now, people need to pay attention more in science.


Always prefered Chemistry.  Lol. 


Same here but it is honestly basic science, well in my country it is.


Yup!  There is no way Shep survived or wasn't burned up.


Well in our atmosphere anyway.

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Kyzee wrote...

UrgentArchengel wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

Stop stirring Rose!


Hey Lex0r <3.

Anyway the whole he survived re-entry thing annoying me now, people need to pay attention more in science.


Always prefered Chemistry.  Lol. 


Liberal arts FTW!! :) 

Just stopping in to say hi, folks. Busy busy today, but I wanted to make sure to give everyone here a hug. <3

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Because of this I always think that every time I see that scene, I hear in my head "I just want you to love meeeeee!"

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SS2Dante wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

By the way, a few posts back someone posted an image of the relays exploding to point out it's not the Sol system that it starts in. Just wanted to point out that there is (somewhere back in the thread) a really good comparison image, where someone maps out the path of the beams and shows its corresponding part in the galaxy map. (anyone know where that's floating about)

Anyway, about this - if the devs were lazy enough to get the starting system wrong, then why does the path of the beam actually correspond to the galaxy map? Apparently they took the time to animate the beam going from system to system accurately, but didn't use the correct starting point?

Another example of a weird error to me.


The ones where it shows coming the crap forgot the name of the systems, but the system is to far down for it to be sol?


Think these may have been it



Posted Image

Posted Image


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Posted Image


EDIT - friggen images do NOT want to cooperate :P


By the way, an implication of this is that the beam travels BACK to Sol and then SOL sends it away again! (but Sols relay was destroyed in the initial firing aaaah my head)

Modifié par SS2Dante, 12 mai 2012 - 02:41 .


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I think we can agree Dante hun it just either they didn't think (highly unlikely) or they did it on purpose. Why have they labelled Apien crest and Aethin cluster as one and two they no where near the start point either.

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Rosewind wrote...

I think we can agree Dante hun it just either they didn't think (highly unlikely) or they did it on purpose. Why have they labelled Apien crest and Aethin cluster as one and two they no where near the start point either.


How are they nowhere near the start point? :S

EDIT - in case there's confusion, this indicates that Apien Crest was the initial explosion.

DOUBLE EDIT - Also in case, you have to rotate the galaxy slightly to line it up correctly. 

Modifié par SS2Dante, 12 mai 2012 - 02:47 .


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The start point is like at the tip of the bottom arm of the Milky way according to the cut scene but on the Galaxy map they in between two arms almost half way to the centre. Apien crest and Aethon should be 8 and 3.

Edit: Even if you rotate the map they still to far in to be the start point.

Modifié par Rosewind, 12 mai 2012 - 02:48 .


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Rosewind wrote...

The start point is like at the tip of the bottom arm of the Milky way according to the cut scene but on the Galaxy map they in between two arms almost half way to the centre. Apien crest and Aethon should be 8 and 3.

Edit: Even if you rotate the map they still to far in to be the start point.


The galaxy map is viewed from a higher angle than the cutscene  so they appear higher up. 

EDIT - ok, rotate slightly, then "tilt" the galaxy map so that the nearest point is raised a little bit, that gives you the view from the cutscene. And man, that it so much easier to do in my head than to explain :P

EDIT AGAIN - anyway, the point is the relative distance and angles of the beam path. it all syncs exactly. I've tried to do this in other parts of the map but it never works.

Modifié par SS2Dante, 12 mai 2012 - 02:52 .


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Seriously though, they said the helmet was the only thing that kept his head intact, it'll be strange if they just toss the helmet out like that. Coming to think of it, it might as well have been a spare helmet, its not unlikely. Also, Shep was spaced out of the Normandy and they both went different way. Its strange that they both end up exactly at the same place on top of each other.

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Rosewind wrote...

The start point is like at the tip of the bottom arm of the Milky way according to the cut scene but on the Galaxy map they in between two arms almost half way to the centre. Apien crest and Aethon should be 8 and 3.

Edit: Even if you rotate the map they still to far in to be the start point.


I think it is intentional. If the devs can make a mistake of this magnitude, they might as well mistakenly replace starkid with space hamster.

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Hey guys! Been following the indoctrination theory for quite some time now.. and it's really fascinating. I would love to see Bioware pick up on this theory and give us that absolutely mind-blowing epic final to the series that we all want..
BUT, if in any case the 'real' ending is nothing like IT, I will always be mind-blowed also by EVERYONE who stood up and keeps giving ideias, passion, and keeps threads like this alive. I don't comment often (in fact, this is my first post here), but I just couldn't resist to give a pat in the back to everyone here. Despite what Bioware thinks is the real ending, the coherense and overall enthusiasm regarding this theory will make me believe that this is, and always be, MY real ending.
Thanks everyone for giving me closure on one of my most beloved series of all time! :D

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SS2Dante wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

The start point is like at the tip of the bottom arm of the Milky way according to the cut scene but on the Galaxy map they in between two arms almost half way to the centre. Apien crest and Aethon should be 8 and 3.

Edit: Even if you rotate the map they still to far in to be the start point.


The galaxy map is viewed from a higher angle than the cutscene  so they appear higher up. 


Yeah but look at the position they half way between the bottom arm and second arm and the start point is at the tip of the bottom arm. Anyway thought the start point was said to be that system that Shepard destroyed in Arrival?