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[HellishFiend]

pirate1802 wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

The start point is like at the tip of the bottom arm of the Milky way according to the cut scene but on the Galaxy map they in between two arms almost half way to the centre. Apien crest and Aethon should be 8 and 3.

Edit: Even if you rotate the map they still to far in to be the start point.

I think it is intentional. If the devs can make a mistake of this magnitude, they might as well mistakenly replace starkid with space hamster.

ME3 should totally have had a Silent Hill 2 style joke ending where Space Hamster is the king of the Reapers. 

[HellishFiend]

NightWolfPT wrote...

Hey guys! Been following the indoctrination theory for quite some time now.. and it's really fascinating. I would love to see Bioware pick up on this theory and give us that absolutely mind-blowing epic final to the series that we all want..
BUT, if in any case the 'real' ending is nothing like IT, I will always be mind-blowed also by EVERYONE who stood up and keeps giving ideias, passion, and keeps threads like this alive. I don't comment often (in fact, this is my first post here), but I just couldn't resist to give a pat in the back to everyone here. Despite what Bioware thinks is the real ending, the coherense and overall enthusiasm regarding this theory will make me believe that this is, and always be, MY real ending.
Thanks everyone for giving me closure on one of my most beloved series of all time!

Thank you for chiming in and for the breath of fresh air. We appreciate it. 

[SS2Dante]

Rosewind wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

The start point is like at the tip of the bottom arm of the Milky way according to the cut scene but on the Galaxy map they in between two arms almost half way to the centre. Apien crest and Aethon should be 8 and 3.

Edit: Even if you rotate the map they still to far in to be the start point.

The galaxy map is viewed from a higher angle than the cutscene  so they appear higher up. 

Yeah but look at the position they half way between the bottom arm and second arm and the start point is at the tip of the bottom arm. Anyway thought the start point was said to be that system that Shepard destroyed in Arrival?

You're not tilting it to compensate for the angle of viewing. Anyway, it's that they are all in position relative to each other. the galaxy and the galaxy map are not exactly the same if you look at it, just mostly the same. There are bits of the galaxy map invisible in the cutscene.

If that's what people were saying it was from rough conjecture. Going by this map is started in the system with Palaven.

[DJBare]

It's occurred to me the relays are the reaper off button, but not so much off as scupper their plans, the relays are essential to their plan, it's how they get civilizations to move along a predictable path in technology, and here's the biggy, I think Harbinger is the lynch pin of the reapers and the relays are how he has direct access to them all.

Okay it's crazy, but think about this, reapers are made from what?, okay now lets assume the essence of each race is stored in reaper form, now unless those races are indoctrinated then would it not follow that they would not accept their new form and rebel, DNA maps everything, including the brain, yeah it's a crazy idea, but what if the reapers themselves are indoctrinate servants with Harbinger being the controller, perhaps the destruction of the relays in Shepards illusion is a message, defeat the reapers by cutting their link.

[Rosewind]

Fine I am not arguing, I know what I see and it looks like the start system is at the tip of the bottom milky way arm.

Edit: I knew I seen it on here before this is what I was talking about social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/9727423/792  LadyVakarian post at the bottom.

Modifié par Rosewind, 12 mai 2012 - 03:30 .

[Stigweird85]

So who thinks that the EC will be revealed and released around E3?

For a game with a 2yr development cycle(2yrs between Mass Effect releases) a summer release gives them 6months for the EC.

The maths isn't exact but potentially the EC is geting 1/4 of the original development time which seems an awful lot for something that was just a reaction to fan response

Personally I would love for Bioware to come out at E3 with some sort of teaser trailer, nothing that confirms IT or disproves it but something to keep people guessing and annouce an expansion pack for early 2013 release.

As far as I'm concerned Bioware can take as long as is needed to polish up the EC

[HellishFiend]

DJBare wrote...

It's occurred to me the relays are the reaper off button, but not so much off as scupper their plans, the relays are essential to their plan, it's how they get civilizations to move along a predictable path in technology, and here's the biggy, I think Harbinger is the lynch pin of the reapers and the relays are how he has direct access to them all.

Okay it's crazy, but think about this, reapers are made from what?, okay now lets assume the essence of each race is stored in reaper form, now unless those races are indoctrinated then would it not follow that they would not accept their new form and rebel, DNA maps everything, including the brain, yeah it's a crazy idea, but what if the reapers themselves are indoctrinate servants with Harbinger being the controller, perhaps the destruction of the relays in Shepards illusion is a message, defeat the reapers by cutting their link.

Interesting theory. It certainly would explain and rationalize Shepard's importance to Harbinger, if he needs him to be the consciousness for the Human Reaper. 

[HellishFiend]

By the way guys, here is a quote from Retribution:

He was being transformed. Repurposed. The implants in his brain had spread throughout his body.
The self-replicating Reaper nanotechnology had woven itself into his muscles, sinews, and nerves, transforming him into a monstrous hybrid of synthetic and organic life.

"Final evolution of life", indeed....

I dont see how anyone who has read this book could think Synthesis is legit.

[EpyonX3]

bigstig wrote...

So who thinks that the EC will be revealed and released around E3?

For a game with a 2yr development cycle(2yrs between Mass Effect releases) a summer release gives them 6months for the EC.

The maths isn't exact but potentially the EC is geting 1/4 of the original development time which seems an awful lot for something that was just a reaction to fan response

Personally I would love for Bioware to come out at E3 with some sort of teaser trailer, nothing that confirms IT or disproves it but something to keep people guessing and annouce an expansion pack for early 2013 release.

As far as I'm concerned Bioware can take as long as is needed to polish up the EC

Unless they're putting stuff they cut out back into the game and calling it EC. There's a deleted scene where Shepard tells his squad to run before getting hit by the beam. The audio files are still on the disc. They may just put that back in along with other stuff they didn't record voices for.

[EpyonX3]

HellishFiend wrote...

By the way guys, here is a quote from Retribution:

He was being transformed. Repurposed. The implants in his brain had spread throughout his body.
The self-replicating Reaper nanotechnology had woven itself into his muscles, sinews, and nerves, transforming him into a monstrous hybrid of synthetic and organic life.

"Final evolution of life", indeed....

I dont see how anyone who has read this book could think Synthesis is legit.

Who is the quote referring to?

[MaximizedAction]

Rosewind wrote...

Fine I am not arguing, I know what I see and it looks like the start system is at the tip of the bottom milky way arm.

Edit: I knew I seen it on here before this is what I was talking about social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/9727423/792  LadyVakarian post at the bottom.

[D.Sharrah]

I haven't read any of the books...only seen a few of the panels from the comics...but it amazes me that there seems to be evidence (even if only is circumstantial) that either supports IT directly or supports themes that have important ties to IT and the current endings. Even more amazing is that the community here seems to continue to find these little tid bits that just seem to make IT not being true, not only improbable but nearly impossible. I just want to take a moment to thank each and every contibutor to this thread that continues to exceed my expectations with these discoveries.

Thank you.

[Rosewind]

D.Sharrah wrote...

I haven't read any of the books...only seen a few of the panels from the comics...but it amazes me that there seems to be evidence (even if only is circumstantial) that either supports IT directly or supports themes that have important ties to IT and the current endings. Even more amazing is that the community here seems to continue to find these little tid bits that just seem to make IT not being true, not only improbable but nearly impossible. I just want to take a moment to thank each and every contibutor to this thread that continues to exceed my expectations with these discoveries.

Thank you.

Feel the love

[HellishFiend]

EpyonX3 wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

By the way guys, here is a quote from Retribution:

He was being transformed. Repurposed. The implants in his brain had spread throughout his body.
The self-replicating Reaper nanotechnology had woven itself into his muscles, sinews, and nerves, transforming him into a monstrous hybrid of synthetic and organic life.

"Final evolution of life", indeed....

I dont see how anyone who has read this book could think Synthesis is legit.

Who is the quote referring to?

Paul Grayson. 

http://masseffect.wi...ki/Paul_Grayson 

[HellishFiend]

D.Sharrah wrote...

I haven't read any of the books...only seen a few of the panels from the comics...but it amazes me that there seems to be evidence (even if only is circumstantial) that either supports IT directly or supports themes that have important ties to IT and the current endings. Even more amazing is that the community here seems to continue to find these little tid bits that just seem to make IT not being true, not only improbable but nearly impossible. I just want to take a moment to thank each and every contibutor to this thread that continues to exceed my expectations with these discoveries.

Thank you.

And thank you for the kind words. 

[DJBare]

EpyonX3 wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

By the way guys, here is a quote from Retribution:

He was being transformed. Repurposed. The implants in his brain had spread throughout his body.
The self-replicating Reaper nanotechnology had woven itself into his muscles, sinews, and nerves, transforming him into a monstrous hybrid of synthetic and organic life.

"Final evolution of life", indeed....

I dont see how anyone who has read this book could think Synthesis is legit.

Who is the quote referring to?

Grayson, TIM pumped reaper tech into him as both an experiment and revenge for his betrayal of cerburus.

Ninja'd

Modifié par DJBare, 12 mai 2012 - 03:23 .

[EpyonX3]

HellishFiend wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

By the way guys, here is a quote from Retribution:

He was being transformed. Repurposed. The implants in his brain had spread throughout his body.
The self-replicating Reaper nanotechnology had woven itself into his muscles, sinews, and nerves, transforming him into a monstrous hybrid of synthetic and organic life.

"Final evolution of life", indeed....

I dont see how anyone who has read this book could think Synthesis is legit.

Who is the quote referring to?

Paul Grayson. 

http://masseffect.wi...ki/Paul_Grayson 

Thanks!

[EpyonX3]

DJBare wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

By the way guys, here is a quote from Retribution:

He was being transformed. Repurposed. The implants in his brain had spread throughout his body.
The self-replicating Reaper nanotechnology had woven itself into his muscles, sinews, and nerves, transforming him into a monstrous hybrid of synthetic and organic life.

"Final evolution of life", indeed....

I dont see how anyone who has read this book could think Synthesis is legit.

Who is the quote referring to?

Grayson, TIM pumped reaper tech into him as both an experiment and revenge for his betrayal of cerburus.

Ninja'd

Thanks to you too!

[marcelo_sdk]

HellishFiend wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

Unschuld wrote...

marcelo_sdk wrote...


1 - He was not orbiting, he was on the planet. You know that cause you can find his helmet on the crash site.
 2 - It was not Cerberus who recovered his body, it was the Shadow Broker.

Do I really have to bring up the point again about the EXTREMELY REMOTE possibility that maybe Shepard had a spare helmet?

Yeah I always thought it was a spare helmet since it kept his brain intact why would they discard it there.

No, it was left there so that Shepard could do this:

Just different cause, in that scene, the head was still inside the helmet.

[JasonSic]

NightWolfPT wrote...

Hey guys! Been following the indoctrination theory for quite some time now.. and it's really fascinating. I would love to see Bioware pick up on this theory and give us that absolutely mind-blowing epic final to the series that we all want..
BUT, if in any case the 'real' ending is nothing like IT, I will always be mind-blowed also by EVERYONE who stood up and keeps giving ideias, passion, and keeps threads like this alive. I don't comment often (in fact, this is my first post here), but I just couldn't resist to give a pat in the back to everyone here. Despite what Bioware thinks is the real ending, the coherense and overall enthusiasm regarding this theory will make me believe that this is, and always be, MY real ending.
Thanks everyone for giving me closure on one of my most beloved series of all time!

I know what you mean. This theory made me just love the end, and there is so much evidence to support it, even some of the stuff Casey Hudson said back in January supports this theory. Also, if Indoctrination Theory ends up true, I doubt this is the end, there's got to be a sequel.

[ShepnTali]

DJBare wrote...

It's occurred to me the relays are the reaper off button, but not so much off as scupper their plans, the relays are essential to their plan, it's how they get civilizations to move along a predictable path in technology, and here's the biggy, I think Harbinger is the lynch pin of the reapers and the relays are how he has direct access to them all.

Okay it's crazy, but think about this, reapers are made from what?, okay now lets assume the essence of each race is stored in reaper form, now unless those races are indoctrinated then would it not follow that they would not accept their new form and rebel, DNA maps everything, including the brain, yeah it's a crazy idea, but what if the reapers themselves are indoctrinate servants with Harbinger being the controller, perhaps the destruction of the relays in Shepards illusion is a message, defeat the reapers by cutting their link.

This is an interesting and creative thought, and goes to show creativity can realistically overcome the seemingly invincible Reaper threat, despite those that say the ending we got was the only way to end it.

[HellishFiend]

EpyonX3 wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

By the way guys, here is a quote from Retribution:

He was being transformed. Repurposed. The implants in his brain had spread throughout his body.
The self-replicating Reaper nanotechnology had woven itself into his muscles, sinews, and nerves, transforming him into a monstrous hybrid of synthetic and organic life.

"Final evolution of life", indeed....

I dont see how anyone who has read this book could think Synthesis is legit.

Who is the quote referring to?

Paul Grayson. 

http://masseffect.wi...ki/Paul_Grayson 

Thanks!

No problem. I recommend the books. They are easy reads and provide some decent, entertaining backstory. It makes me sad that Drew Karpyshyn left the team. 

[Rosewind]

I still think the Keepers are involved in some way. Those sneaky looking bug things *shiver* they give me the creeps.

Modifié par Rosewind, 12 mai 2012 - 03:38 .

[JasonSic]

ShepnTali wrote...

DJBare wrote...

It's occurred to me the relays are the reaper off button, but not so much off as scupper their plans, the relays are essential to their plan, it's how they get civilizations to move along a predictable path in technology, and here's the biggy, I think Harbinger is the lynch pin of the reapers and the relays are how he has direct access to them all.

Okay it's crazy, but think about this, reapers are made from what?, okay now lets assume the essence of each race is stored in reaper form, now unless those races are indoctrinated then would it not follow that they would not accept their new form and rebel, DNA maps everything, including the brain, yeah it's a crazy idea, but what if the reapers themselves are indoctrinate servants with Harbinger being the controller, perhaps the destruction of the relays in Shepards illusion is a message, defeat the reapers by cutting their link.

This is an interesting and creative thought, and goes to show creativity can realistically overcome the seemingly invincible Reaper threat, despite those that say the ending we got was the only way to end it.

And! AND!! AND!! Harbinger wanted to make another set of reapers out of humans! That's why you found the human reaper in the Collector base!

[SS2Dante]

Rosewind wrote...

Fine I am not arguing, I know what I see and it looks like the start system is at the tip of the bottom milky way arm.

Edit: I knew I seen it on here before this is what I was talking about social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/9727423/792  LadyVakarian post at the bottom.

Fair enough. I agre that the point does look like Lady Vakarians position but since it doesn't connect to the other relays in the way shown I think the other pics are right, but *shrug*