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[MaximizedAction]

SS2Dante wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

Geeze, why does it always take me 3 or 4 edits to get images to appear? I don't change what I type, but it never works first time :@

We going by the spoke pointing down or the one pointing left?

It's marked in the galaxy map (spoke was a bad descriptor, not really sure how to describe it)

The two "ends" that make the centre look like a sweet/candy wrapper. in this picture it's pointing to...seven o'clock?




EDIT - here, edited the pics

Thank you for making the comparison! I think it's out of quesiton that they started the explosions out of lazyness ™ somewhere randomly. And it definitely did not start with the Charon Relay at the Local cluster.

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 12 mai 2012 - 05:47 .

[Rosewind]

SS2Dante wrote...

Ok, now I've edited it to include some other stuff but it won't update the post aaaaarrg.

Btw Megumi good tip on the BB code, you were right, the nesting is messed up.

I still think the guy got the circles wrong, there is no way the Nimbus cluster is that close to the end of that milky way arm.

[SS2Dante]

Geeze, right, finally done. I'll requote in a sec for clarity and sanity.

[SS2Dante]

Final bloody version


I was saying that this person checked the end cutscene and mapped out the order and layout of the beams and systems the beams hit.




When you overlay it with the galaxy map, we can use two things to orient. The bits circled here...






And the "spokes" in the galactic central, here.





When you put this altogether you get this.




So not only does the beam not originate from Sol, it actually travesl back to AND from Sol, which it shouldn't be able to do since the relay has already been destroyed. And the fact that the beam fits into the galaxy map correctly shows that they knew what they were doing when animating it.

Odd...

Modifié par SS2Dante, 12 mai 2012 - 05:54 .

[SS2Dante]

Rosewind wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

Ok, now I've edited it to include some other stuff but it won't update the post aaaaarrg.

Btw Megumi good tip on the BB code, you were right, the nesting is messed up.

I still think the guy got the circles wrong, there is no way the Nimbus cluster is that close to the end of that milky way arm.

Yeah Rosewind but the CG galaxy is NOT exactly the same as the galaxy map. There are lots of differences, it's just the general shape that's correct. Look at the area ringing the galactic centre to see what I mean.

Modifié par SS2Dante, 12 mai 2012 - 05:52 .

[marcelo_sdk]

SS2Dante wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

What you said made no sense to me.....

Edited with pictures clarifying

You know something, I have completely forgotten what our debate was about lol.

I was saying that this person checked the end cutscene and mapped out the order and layout of the beams and systems the beams hit.




When you overlay it with the galaxy map, we can use two things to orient. The bits circled here...






And the "spokes" in the galactic central, here.





When you put this altogether you get this.



Not only is the starting system not Sol, but the beam actually travels to AND from Sol, despite the relay being destroyed.

I don't know if the position of the Apien Crest in the first picture matches with the second. 

Perhaps I'm wrong, but in this case, if there was really a relay-position mistake by BioWare, if it's was just that, a mistake. I know we ITers are inclined to suspect of every suppost "errors" in the game, but there are errors and sometimes they're just that.

[Rosewind]

I am sorry some thing just seems off, they just don't match up to me. I think those circles they throwing me of I don't know why but in the cut scene they look like they not in the right spots. You know what gimmie a minute I could do an over lay in photo shop. That might help, and if I am wrong I will say sorry .

[DJBare]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

This is actually not quite correct. All internal files for the XBox are on the MS servers, also for certification. The reason why you as a normal user can't see them are just some flags in the entry for the software and the status of your account. Same goes for Origin or Steam. For example when you work at EA you get an EA Origin account that usually can only be accessed from registered PCs that has access to all EA games, even the ones not yet released. I don't know the exact procedure for XBox but from what I heard it was that companies can create a group and users in that group have access to these beta games. Now if someone set the flag wrong for a game it's publicly available and not just for that specific group.

Perhaps, but still does not explain why the writers script was embedded in the beta, there were just too many things missed by the time the beta was released, the lack of textures and lip movement being the most notable, I cannot see microsoft releasing this unless they were told specifically it was for beta testers, and everyone knows leaks come from some beta testers, the developers are well aware that despite NDA's beta's get leaked.

[SS2Dante]

Rosewind wrote...

I am sorry some thing just seems off, they just don't match up to me. I think those circles they throwing me of I don't know why but in the cut scene they look like they not in the right spots. You know what gimmie a minute I could do an over lay in photo shop. That might help, and if I am wrong I will say sorry .

*shrug* no worries. To be honest it's more that the positioning of the relays in relation to each other is correct that convinces me, since that should not be the case if it was a random spot.

[byne]

SS2Dante wrote...

:-/

[blooregard]

Minecraft has consumed me for the past few days any new developments?

[SS2Dante]

marcelo_sdk wrote...

I don't know if the position of the Apien Crest in the first picture matches with the second. 

Perhaps I'm wrong, but in this case, if there was really a relay-position mistake by BioWare, if it's was just that, a mistake. I know we ITers are inclined to suspect of every suppost "errors" in the game, but there are errors and sometimes they're just that.

Which two pictures are you referring to?

Ah, but it's not a mistake, since they apparently knew enough to rotate the galaxy to the right degree, then animate the beams travelling from relay to relay correctly. 

[draken-heart]

i agree that it may be a hallucination, but did anyone think that just maybe, it is just because Shepard is losing blood and not Indoctrination?

My Blood loss hallucination Theory:

maybe Shepard is Hallucinating from blood loss. and the "choices" are based on Shepard's own will/emotions fighting to control Shepard

Red: courage/rage against reapers for Killing his/her people
Green: Jealousy at what the reapers are, wanting to be like them
Blue: Fear that the Reapers cannot be destroyed but that TIM is right and they can be controlled

as you can see it is basically using Indoctrination Theory's Evidence and gives a more real/personal spin on the hallucination.

Modifié par draken-heart, 12 mai 2012 - 06:00 .

[SS2Dante]

byne wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

:-/

That was just me trying to point out how to use the sticky out bits of the galactic central to orient. It only has two, pointing in opposite directions, so it's a good way to start.

Can't think of a better name for them other than "sticky out bits " or "spokes"

[byne]

SS2Dante wrote...

byne wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

:-/

That was just me trying to point out how to use the sticky out bits of the galactic central to orient. It only has two, pointing in opposite directions, so it's a good way to start.

Can't think of a better name for them other than "sticky out bits " or "spokes"

And that was just me pointing out how it looked like the face I made.

I had to do it or it would have bugged me forever.

[MaximizedAction]

DJBare wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

This is actually not quite correct. All internal files for the XBox are on the MS servers, also for certification. The reason why you as a normal user can't see them are just some flags in the entry for the software and the status of your account. Same goes for Origin or Steam. For example when you work at EA you get an EA Origin account that usually can only be accessed from registered PCs that has access to all EA games, even the ones not yet released. I don't know the exact procedure for XBox but from what I heard it was that companies can create a group and users in that group have access to these beta games. Now if someone set the flag wrong for a game it's publicly available and not just for that specific group.

Perhaps, but still does not explain why the writers script was embedded in the beta, there were just too many things missed by the time the beta was released, the lack of textures and lip movement being the most notable, I cannot see microsoft releasing this unless they were told specifically it was for beta testers, and everyone knows leaks come from some beta testers, the developers are well aware that despite NDA's beta's get leaked.

For IT to work you to put into extra effort to make sure there's little doubt in that "that was the ending, period." You need pseudo-intern-evidence like leaks that appear to come from the very developer to confirm that this was all 'really' planned 'as is'.

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 12 mai 2012 - 06:02 .

[Rosewind]

SS2Dante wrote...

byne wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

:-/

That was just me trying to point out how to use the sticky out bits of the galactic central to orient. It only has two, pointing in opposite directions, so it's a good way to start.

Can't think of a better name for them other than "sticky out bits " or "spokes"

I call them Arms

Edit: @Byne lol took me a minute to relize what you meant but once I saw it it made me laugh thanks hun that really made me do a hearty laugh 

Modifié par Rosewind, 12 mai 2012 - 06:06 .

[DJBare]

draken-heart wrote...

i agree that it may be a hallucination, but did anyone think that just maybe, it is just because Shepard is losing blood and not Indoctrination?

This is a probability, but it's also likely that the reapers are using this weakened state to indoctrinate Shepard, in Retribution the reapers had to put Grayson to sleep to further indoctrinate him, while awake he was able to fight the process, at least on a mental level, while Grayson slept they went further into his thought processes taking more control.

[balance5050]

byne wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

byne wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

:-/

That was just me trying to point out how to use the sticky out bits of the galactic central to orient. It only has two, pointing in opposite directions, so it's a good way to start.

Can't think of a better name for them other than "sticky out bits " or "spokes"

And that was just me pointing out how it looked like the face I made.

I had to do it or it would have bugged me forever.

Now when I look at it, 
:-/ is all I can see.

[SS2Dante]

byne wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

byne wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

:-/

That was just me trying to point out how to use the sticky out bits of the galactic central to orient. It only has two, pointing in opposite directions, so it's a good way to start.

Can't think of a better name for them other than "sticky out bits " or "spokes"

And that was just me pointing out how it looked like the face I made.

I had to do it or it would have bugged me forever.

And now I'm laughing my ass off

[Rosewind]

balance5050 wrote...

byne wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

byne wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

:-/

That was just me trying to point out how to use the sticky out bits of the galactic central to orient. It only has two, pointing in opposite directions, so it's a good way to start.

Can't think of a better name for them other than "sticky out bits " or "spokes"

And that was just me pointing out how it looked like the face I made.

I had to do it or it would have bugged me forever.

Now when I look at it, 
:-/ is all I can see.

Same here cant get it out my head now.

[SS2Dante]

Rosewind wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

byne wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

:-/

That was just me trying to point out how to use the sticky out bits of the galactic central to orient. It only has two, pointing in opposite directions, so it's a good way to start.

Can't think of a better name for them other than "sticky out bits " or "spokes"

I call them Arms

No, the arms are the bits that spiral round. The bits I'm referring to...one of them is where the red line starts. The bit that comes directly out from the centre, then does a 90 degree turn and becomes an arm.

[MegumiAzusa]

DJBare wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

This is actually not quite correct. All internal files for the XBox are on the MS servers, also for certification. The reason why you as a normal user can't see them are just some flags in the entry for the software and the status of your account. Same goes for Origin or Steam. For example when you work at EA you get an EA Origin account that usually can only be accessed from registered PCs that has access to all EA games, even the ones not yet released. I don't know the exact procedure for XBox but from what I heard it was that companies can create a group and users in that group have access to these beta games. Now if someone set the flag wrong for a game it's publicly available and not just for that specific group.

Perhaps, but still does not explain why the writers script was embedded in the beta, there were just too many things missed by the time the beta was released, the lack of textures and lip movement being the most notable, I cannot see microsoft releasing this unless they were told specifically it was for beta testers, and everyone knows leaks come from some beta testers, the developers are well aware that despite NDA's beta's get leaked.

Often unneeded project files are left in for internal betas, the cleanup is usually done either for public betas or the release.
If not cleaned up it often could lead to discontent about what was planned and was cut. Take for example Tiberium Twilight, EA fired most of the staff working on the game before most of the cleanup was done and in its game files were tons of stuff like Wii support, stuff to trace things in networking to debug that, tons of strings and sounds for units that didn't make it into the game. In the version showed at the CommandCom (EA hosted an invitation only preview at GamesCom 2009 inviting 100 fans) and the first version of the following closed beta you could even open the debug console and do some really weird stuff. Internal versions are in no way cleaned up.

[draken-heart]

DJBare wrote...

draken-heart wrote...

i agree that it may be a hallucination, but did anyone think that just maybe, it is just because Shepard is losing blood and not Indoctrination?

This is a probability, but it's also likely that the reapers are using this weakened state to indoctrinate Shepard, in Retribution the reapers had to put Grayson to sleep to further indoctrinate him, while awake he was able to fight the process, at least on a mental level, while Grayson slept they went further into his thought processes taking more control.

the red ending Kind of throws IT out the window because normally sleeping reduses the use of braincells to minimum meaning Shepard has to be somewhat concious to be able to make that choice.

[SS2Dante]

draken-heart wrote...

DJBare wrote...

draken-heart wrote...

i agree that it may be a hallucination, but did anyone think that just maybe, it is just because Shepard is losing blood and not Indoctrination?

This is a probability, but it's also likely that the reapers are using this weakened state to indoctrinate Shepard, in Retribution the reapers had to put Grayson to sleep to further indoctrinate him, while awake he was able to fight the process, at least on a mental level, while Grayson slept they went further into his thought processes taking more control.

the red ending Kind of throws IT out the window because normally sleeping reduses the use of braincells to minimum meaning Shepard has to be somewhat concious to be able to make that choice.

Aside from this being a story, and lots of precedence for people making decisions in dreams in fiction, the choice is subconcious, we're only seeing the visualisation of it.