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MegumiAzusa

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TSA_383 wrote...

Here's some other interesting stuff from the leak - the catalyst's original dialogue.

Here it's a little more.... obvious, that he wishes you to choose synthesis... Y'know, like sovereign, and harbinger, and saren :lol:

Brought it in a slightly easier readable form:
http://thundermods.n...E3/guardian.txt

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During the last scene with TIM he says that he dedicated his life to understanding the Reapers. But the Reapers showed themselves only 3 years ago (in ME timescale). So it seems he knew about them before Sovereign and Saren teamed up.

Modifié par paxxton, 12 mai 2012 - 08:45 .


#56253
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paxxton wrote...

During the last scene with TIM he says that he dedicated his life to understanding the Reapers. But the Reapers showed themselves only 3 years ago (in ME timescale).


He was hit by a reaper artifact during the First Contact war, and I think that was 30 years prior to the game, or maybe 20... 26? Can't remember. Anyway, it's a figure of speech mostly, read as "I've spent the last 30 years---" etc.

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paxxton wrote...

During the last scene with TIM he says that he dedicated his life to understanding the Reapers. But the Reapers showed themselves only 3 years ago (in ME timescale). So it seems he knew about them before Sovereign and Saren teamed up.

Yes, as established in one comic. That's why he created Cerberus in the first place.

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If I don't want to smear the whole page full with gibberish, I can only do this:
http://i.imgur.com/HcqrO.jpg?1

How can I make a picture visible here?

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paxxton wrote...

During the last scene with TIM he says that he dedicated his life to understanding the Reapers. But the Reapers showed themselves only 3 years ago (in ME timescale). So it seems he knew about them before Sovereign and Saren teamed up.


Good point actually, did TIM know something the rest of the Galaxy didn't? Or is it more hallucination details? I don't know.

Dozens and dozens of plot holes... and I.T. wipes them all away/ explains them.

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estebanus wrote...

If I don't want to smear the whole page full with gibberish, I can only do this:
http://i.imgur.com/HcqrO.jpg?1

How can I make a picture visible here?


I just copy/paste the pic itself personally.

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estebanus wrote...

If I don't want to smear the whole page full with gibberish, I can only do this:
http://i.imgur.com/HcqrO.jpg?1

How can I make a picture visible here?


you can put [ img] [ /img] without the spaces on either side and see if that works. Let's give it a shot with your link:

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Yep it works, it'll be scaled down to fit the post size though.

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MegumiAzusa wrote...

paxxton wrote...

During the last scene with TIM he says that he dedicated his life to understanding the Reapers. But the Reapers showed themselves only 3 years ago (in ME timescale). So it seems he knew about them before Sovereign and Saren teamed up.

Yes, as established in one comic. That's why he created Cerberus in the first place.


So maybe Cerberus is just a diversion for the Reapers.

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paxxton wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

paxxton wrote...

During the last scene with TIM he says that he dedicated his life to understanding the Reapers. But the Reapers showed themselves only 3 years ago (in ME timescale). So it seems he knew about them before Sovereign and Saren teamed up.

Yes, as established in one comic. That's why he created Cerberus in the first place.


So maybe Cerberus is just a diversion for the Reapers.


Yeah, every cycle has their own version of Cerberus who think they can control the reapers.

As Neo would say- "It's just another form of control."

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Okay here is the good quailty Wallpaper I made, Had to restart my computer for photobucket to work i have no clue why...... anyway for liara lovers I was bored.

i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll291/Rosewind_bucket/LiaraWall.png

#56262
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paxxton wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

paxxton wrote...

During the last scene with TIM he says that he dedicated his life to understanding the Reapers. But the Reapers showed themselves only 3 years ago (in ME timescale). So it seems he knew about them before Sovereign and Saren teamed up.

Yes, as established in one comic. That's why he created Cerberus in the first place.


So maybe Cerberus is just a diversion for the Reapers.

On some level, yes. TIM is suffering from a slow and prolonged indoctrination, mostly based on suggestions.
The first one is the accentuated pro human/anti alien orientation.
The second is that he believes he can control the Reapers.

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Why wont my ME3 work I was just on there before i restarted my comp and now it won't work

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balance5050 wrote...

estebanus wrote...

If I don't want to smear the whole page full with gibberish, I can only do this:
http://i.imgur.com/HcqrO.jpg?1

How can I make a picture visible here?


I just copy/paste the pic itself personally.



Ok, I'll try that:

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#56265
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YAY! It worked! :o

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estebanus wrote...

YAY! It worked! :o

lol yay congrats

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MegumiAzusa wrote...

paxxton wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

paxxton wrote...

During the last scene with TIM he says that he dedicated his life to understanding the Reapers. But the Reapers showed themselves only 3 years ago (in ME timescale). So it seems he knew about them before Sovereign and Saren teamed up.

Yes, as established in one comic. That's why he created Cerberus in the first place.


So maybe Cerberus is just a diversion for the Reapers.

On some level, yes. TIM is suffering from a slow and prolonged indoctrination, mostly based on suggestions.
The first one is the accentuated pro human/anti alien orientation.
The second is that he believes he can control the Reapers.

Posted Image

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Also, I got a message from someone reading this thread, I assume s/he can't post here, so I'll post what he wanted to say for him:

"can you say to those people in IT thread that TIM was exposed to a reaper artifact in Mass effect evolution comic,and after that he gained strange blue eyes, and new improved mental capabilities. I read the comic and the mass effect wikia TIM page,and i assure that it's all real"

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paxxton wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

paxxton wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

paxxton wrote...

During the last scene with TIM he says that he dedicated his life to understanding the Reapers. But the Reapers showed themselves only 3 years ago (in ME timescale). So it seems he knew about them before Sovereign and Saren teamed up.

Yes, as established in one comic. That's why he created Cerberus in the first place.


So maybe Cerberus is just a diversion for the Reapers.

On some level, yes. TIM is suffering from a slow and prolonged indoctrination, mostly based on suggestions.
The first one is the accentuated pro human/anti alien orientation.
The second is that he believes he can control the Reapers.

Posted Image

lol.

#56270
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estebanus wrote...

Also, I got a message from someone reading this thread, I assume s/he can't post here, so I'll post what he wanted to say for him:

"can you say to those people in IT thread that TIM was exposed to a reaper artifact in Mass effect evolution comic,and after that he gained strange blue eyes, and new improved mental capabilities. I read the comic and the mass effect wikia TIM page,and i assure that it's all real"


I'm pretty sure at least 2 of us said that on this page, and it's already been discussed a few hundred ago in detail.

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So many what's and whys how about it just is. People just hate the ending and hope there's more to it understandable. But it is what it is an ending that most people don't like and wanna change. I doubt it'll change anything and in the end these ideas will just be in your head nothing more. There will be a mass effect 4 and in the end Shepard will probably be alive as he is the hero and cannot be killed as we saw him come back from death once already.

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MegumiAzusa wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

Here's some other interesting stuff from the leak - the catalyst's original dialogue.

Here it's a little more.... obvious, that he wishes you to choose synthesis... Y'know, like sovereign, and harbinger, and saren :lol:

Brought it in a slightly easier readable form:
http://thundermods.n...E3/guardian.txt

An interesting line

The Reapers main purpose is to prevent organics from creating an AI so powerful that it would overtake them and destroy them.

When he states "them" is he talking about organics or the reapers, something to think about.

#56273
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DJBare wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

Here's some other interesting stuff from the leak - the catalyst's original dialogue.

Here it's a little more.... obvious, that he wishes you to choose synthesis... Y'know, like sovereign, and harbinger, and saren :lol:

Brought it in a slightly easier readable form:
http://thundermods.n...E3/guardian.txt

An interesting line

The Reapers main purpose is to prevent organics from creating an AI so powerful that it would overtake them and destroy them.

When he states "them" is he talking about organics or the reapers, something to think about.

He is talking about the ones that created these AIs.

#56274
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MegumiAzusa wrote...

DJBare wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

Here's some other interesting stuff from the leak - the catalyst's original dialogue.

Here it's a little more.... obvious, that he wishes you to choose synthesis... Y'know, like sovereign, and harbinger, and saren :lol:

Brought it in a slightly easier readable form:
http://thundermods.n...E3/guardian.txt

An interesting line



The Reapers main purpose is to prevent organics from creating an AI so powerful that it would overtake them and destroy them.

When he states "them" is he talking about organics or the reapers, something to think about.

He is talking about the ones that created these AIs.


Not necessarily. Nonformal languages are ambiguous.

Modifié par paxxton, 12 mai 2012 - 09:17 .


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ghostz82 wrote...

So many what's and whys how about it just is. People just hate the ending and hope there's more to it understandable. But it is what it is an ending that most people don't like and wanna change. I doubt it'll change anything and in the end these ideas will just be in your head nothing more. There will be a mass effect 4 and in the end Shepard will probably be alive as he is the hero and cannot be killed as we saw him come back from death once already.




What?