57139 réponses à ce sujet

[MaximizedAction]

liggy002 wrote...

Here is one of the most interesting questions of all: If we assume IT is true, what does the Crucible actually do?

Interestingly, I just came to the auto-dialogue bit where EDI tells you how she and Liara theorized whether the laws of physics in their universe (ME universe) are exclusive, peculiar or a a general result. I.e. if they are not general, is it then possible to go to that place where the usual rules of physics and logic don't apply anymore ("1+1=3") and if so, would it require a suffiecient amount of energy?

It's something she tells you when you ask her what she's thinking about.

With something like Synthesis and that the Crucible used a lot of energy, this thought of hers gets context.

But nah, it's probably a Reaper trap -- only thing we need now is some salarian saying, "It's a trap!".

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 13 mai 2012 - 12:39 .

[paxxton]

TSA_383 wrote...

Ytook wrote...

liggy002 wrote...

Here is one of the most interesting questions of all: If we assume IT is true, what does the Crucible actually do?

For me the only way it can work is if it is a reaper trap, designed to bring a civilisation sufficiently advanced to build it (and therefore pose a threat to the reapers) to a killing ground with false hope and a false objective, that is the only way that'll make sense of it's miraculous discovery and answer the question of how the hell could lots of races build a device not knowing what it does and what the final component is. It also would make sense of why the reapers didn't attempt to take the citadel strait away, they needed us to have it, find out it is the final component, and then they take it and use it to draw us in.

I think this is probably on the money.
The probability, as far as I'm concerned, of a device surviving many thousands of cycles, is remote at best.

I think Ytook made a good point. When the Reapers arrive they can't know which species are sufficiently advanced. So maybe they destroy races that can build the Crucible. Such an evil optimization technique to speed up the process.

Modifié par paxxton, 13 mai 2012 - 12:40 .

[Dwailing]

liggy002 wrote...

Here is one of the most interesting questions of all: If we assume IT is true, what does the Crucible actually do?

You know, my dad and I were talking about Mass Effect (He's awesome for that, I know. ), and he suggested that it might be some kind of massive indoctrination device if it really was created by the Reapers and planted here for each cycle to find.  Not only would it serve as a red herring that would distract the races of the galaxy from focusing on building new ships to destroy the Reapers, but if by some "miracle" the races were able to actually finish it, it would only make the Reapers' job easier.  Much, MUCH easier.

Edit: Dang!  I guess someone else came up with the idea first!  Still, the fact that my dad came up with that on his own... well, let's just say that he's great.

P.S. That's not suggesting that he isn't intelligent to begin with.  He's very intelligent.  I'm just saying that I'm seriously impressed by his coming up with that.

Modifié par Dwailing, 13 mai 2012 - 12:46 .

[Apollo-XL5]

It is quite possible that the crucible is a reaper failsafe. One that the reapers cleverly planted the plans in the organics. So that if a cycle managed to build it and activate it. Then that would be proof to the reapers that the current cycle or organic species were actually capable of destroying the reapers but then would destroy themselves because that is what the crucible will actually do.

[TSA_383]

^Dwailing/Apollo, those both seem pretty logical, I don't imagine there's much in the game on this point but I hope we see more in the EC...

Also, again, if anyone has the PC version of the game I need the "Legend" saves your game produced when you completed it, along with any details you have.
Stick them on sendspace.com or rapidshare.com and post the links in here - it'd be much appreciated and should enable me to find us some answers.

[Apollo-XL5]

Maybe the crucible will cause everyone to do this!

watch this to find out.

[Dwailing]

Apollo-XL5 wrote...

Maybe the crucible will cause everyone to do this!

watch this to find out.

That would be.... problematic.

[Apollo-XL5]

Dwailing wrote...

Apollo-XL5 wrote...

Maybe the crucible will cause everyone to do this!

watch this to find out.

That would be.... problematic.

But it would be funny!
There is also Legion sing "a thousand miles"
That gets me every time.

[paxxton]

Apollo-XL5 wrote...

Maybe the crucible will cause everyone to do this!

watch this to find out.

Or this:  . This definately will happen if IT turns out to be false.

[Dwailing]

paxxton wrote...

Apollo-XL5 wrote...

Maybe the crucible will cause everyone to do this!

watch this to find out.

Or this:  . This definately will happen if IT turns out to be false.

There will be one difference, though.  The tears will be genuine.

[DJBare]

paxxton wrote...

Apollo-XL5 wrote...

Maybe the crucible will cause everyone to do this!

watch this to find out.

Or this:  . This definately will happen if IT turns out to be false.

Certainly not for me, if it's not IT and they do not come up with something in the EC to counter the plot holes, then I'll just accept it as another mediocre ending, for me it will be closure and I'll move on.

[byne]

Man, seeing Mass Effect voice actors in something else is always weird.

Was watching Legend of Korra, Grunt's VA plays the main bad guy, and Admiral Hackett's VA plays his second in command.

It's hard to root for the hero of the show when she is going against Grunt AND Hackett.

[NoSpin]

byne wrote...

Man, seeing Mass Effect voice actors in something else is always weird.

Was watching Legend of Korra, Grunt's VA plays the main bad guy, and Admiral Hackett's VA plays his second in command.

It's hard to root for the hero of the show when she is going against Grunt AND Hackett.

What a GREAT show, how those creators were able to follow up the masterpiece of Avatar with something just as good is beyond me.

[RADIUMEYEZ]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

RADIUMEYEZ wrote...

Simon_Says wrote...

liggy002 wrote...

Here is one of the most interesting questions of all: If we assume IT is true, what does the Crucible actually do?

It's actually a gigantic, magnificent disco ball.

We're gon' groove our way to victory.

Yes it all makes sense now Mass Effect 3 was all just one big lead into Kinect Mass Effect where just like in Kinect Star Wars you dance as the characters. I can't wait to see the Harbinger dance!

THAT. WAS. AMAZING!

[byne]

NoSpin wrote...

byne wrote...

Man, seeing Mass Effect voice actors in something else is always weird.

Was watching Legend of Korra, Grunt's VA plays the main bad guy, and Admiral Hackett's VA plays his second in command.

It's hard to root for the hero of the show when she is going against Grunt AND Hackett.

What a GREAT show, how those creators were able to follow up the masterpiece of Avatar with something just as good is beyond me.

Yeah, I was worried it wouldnt be as good as the original show, but DAMN was I wrong. It's fantastic.

[Dwailing]

RADIUMEYEZ wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

RADIUMEYEZ wrote...

Simon_Says wrote...

liggy002 wrote...

Here is one of the most interesting questions of all: If we assume IT is true, what does the Crucible actually do?

It's actually a gigantic, magnificent disco ball.

We're gon' groove our way to victory.

Yes it all makes sense now Mass Effect 3 was all just one big lead into Kinect Mass Effect where just like in Kinect Star Wars you dance as the characters. I can't wait to see the Harbinger dance!

THAT. WAS. AMAZING!

Oh Gawd, I think I would actually watch that.

[garrusfan1]

I think the crucible should just make the reaper shields fail for a very short time

[RADIUMEYEZ]

Dwailing wrote...

RADIUMEYEZ wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

RADIUMEYEZ wrote...

Simon_Says wrote...

liggy002 wrote...

Here is one of the most interesting questions of all: If we assume IT is true, what does the Crucible actually do?

It's actually a gigantic, magnificent disco ball.

We're gon' groove our way to victory.

Yes it all makes sense now Mass Effect 3 was all just one big lead into Kinect Mass Effect where just like in Kinect Star Wars you dance as the characters. I can't wait to see the Harbinger dance!

THAT. WAS. AMAZING!

Oh Gawd, I think I would actually watch that.

Me too lol

[Hawk227]

byne wrote...

Man, seeing Mass Effect voice actors in something else is always weird.

Was watching Legend of Korra, Grunt's VA plays the main bad guy, and Admiral Hackett's VA plays his second in command.

It's hard to root for the hero of the show when she is going against Grunt AND Hackett.

I've been hearing Garrus seeing Brandon Keener a lot lately. His speed dating lies were foiled by a woman with a 3G in an AT&T commercial, and he was a suspect turned victim in an episode of Castle recently.

Also, Admiral Hackett was the star of Millenium.

Everyone knows Miranda and Aria's voice actresses. Kal'Reeger (Adam Baldwin) was in X-Files, Chuck and Firefly (and lots of other stuff), Gatatog Uvenk was Worff from Star Trek: The next generation, and Admiral Xen/Aethyta was in Farscape.

[T41rdEye]

 Since I got into ME all those years ago, I was completely hooked. To this day, I'm unable to enjoy any other game to the level I adore ME and my Shepards. Its the ambiance, characters, technology, philosophy. There is something about this Sci-Fi world that strikes a chord with me. More than any other Sci-Fi Fiction I've ever indulged in.
Before you tell me I'm stupid and theres better written and executed SF stories out there, remember this is all subjective. Don't ask me why, but the future protrayed in ME is the kind of future I hope for (minus the Reaper threat lol).
Whether it makes perfect sense to you or not... I still think the ending was brilliant on so many levels. It pains me to see the stubborn ignorance on this forum that insists the ending was BAD and refuse to believe IT is a real possibily and been planned for awhile. Filing lawsuits, DEMANDING a different ending... these things make me ashamed to be a gamer.

I had shielded myself from pre-launch media for my first playthrough. I am not lying when I say that I saw the indoctrination coming a mile away. Don't get me wrong, though I have considered this possibility since ME1 when Shep was first exposed to Reaper Tech, I did not notice the subtle clues during 3. The only thought I had was that the little boy wasn't real, Although I didn't know what to make of it. 

At the end, I felt sad and hopeless, ready to give into dispair. Think about, this is how indoctrination works. The clues are scattered ALL throughout the trilogy and books. You just need to open your mind and accept new possibilties. Not everything is at it seems.

I honestly don't think this is the end of ME OR Shepard. The Reapers will take years, possibly centuries to conquer all organic life. Harbinger wants Shepard ALIVE. This war WILL continue.

[paxxton]

Opsrbest wrote...

DJBare wrote...

liggy002 wrote...

DJBare wrote...

liggy002 wrote...

Here is one of the most interesting questions of all: If we assume IT is true, what does the Crucible actually do?

Perhaps this http://social.biowar...7029/3#12014739

A massive indoctrination device... yes, I had considered that.

I go along with the idea because as I said, the reaper heart is the only war asset the player cannot avoid, you get it the moment you complete TIM's base, to me it's a crucial element, and we went and done it again, took tech we know to be dangerous and incorporated it into the crucible, strangely enough, if you think about it, EDI did not need to be on that mission, sure we are given reasons why she should be there, but in my opinion they are weak reasons, she is also the one that leads us through the base, Joker is quick to mention a kill switch or some kind of control, our beloved EDI may well have been under control, remember the monitor and the scientists say what if she turns a crew member? and EDI is fitted with reaper tech, she could well be under control of the reapers.

Getting sucked out an airlock is a weak reason?

Maybe the Crucible focuses dark energy to create a deadly superweapon that bends the very fabric of spacetime creating quantum discontinuities that absorb the spacetime around them like black holes. You can point that weapon at exactly the space where a Reaper is.

Modifié par paxxton, 13 mai 2012 - 01:47 .

[DJBare]

Opsrbest wrote...

DJBare wrote...

liggy002 wrote...

DJBare wrote...

liggy002 wrote...

Here is one of the most interesting questions of all: If we assume IT is true, what does the Crucible actually do?

Perhaps this http://social.biowar...7029/3#12014739

A massive indoctrination device... yes, I had considered that.

I go along with the idea because as I said, the reaper heart is the only war asset the player cannot avoid, you get it the moment you complete TIM's base, to me it's a crucial element, and we went and done it again, took tech we know to be dangerous and incorporated it into the crucible, strangely enough, if you think about it, EDI did not need to be on that mission, sure we are given reasons why she should be there, but in my opinion they are weak reasons, she is also the one that leads us through the base, Joker is quick to mention a kill switch or some kind of control, our beloved EDI may well have been under control, remember the monitor and the scientists say what if she turns a crew member? and EDI is fitted with reaper tech, she could well be under control of the reapers.

Getting sucked out an airlock is a weak reason?

No, overriding security is a weak reason, EDI could have done this remotely via Shepards omnitool, but whatever the reasons, Shepard was led to the base and ended up with a reaper heart whether Shepard wanted it or not, as I said, it's the only war asset the player cannot avoid.

[Hawk227]

DJBare wrote...

Opsrbest wrote...

Getting sucked out an airlock is a weak reason?

No, overriding security is a weak reason, EDI could have done this remotely via Shepards omnitool, but whatever the reasons, Shepard was led to the base and ended up with a reaper heart whether Shepard wanted it or not, as I said, it's the only war asset the player cannot avoid.

Shepard wasn't "led to the base", like some sort of ploy. They had to quash Cerberus once and for all.

I do agree it was weird that they had to incorporate the Reaper Brain/Heart into the Crucible. Surely the original plans didn't call for it, and hooking up to the Citadel was to provide the needed energy and direction.

Modifié par Hawk227, 13 mai 2012 - 01:54 .

[MegumiAzusa]

You also cannot avoid the alliance fleets. EDI didn't make any suggestions to use the Reaper, the base were captured anyway and they would have found the Reaper in any case.

Modifié par MegumiAzusa, 13 mai 2012 - 01:56 .