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[TSA_383]

Me1mN0t wrote...

 Since I got into ME all those years ago, I was completely hooked. To this day, I'm unable to enjoy any other game to the level I adore ME and my Shepards. Its the ambiance, characters, technology, philosophy. There is something about this Sci-Fi world that strikes a chord with me. More than any other Sci-Fi Fiction I've ever indulged in.
Before you tell me I'm stupid and theres better written and executed SF stories out there, remember this is all subjective. Don't ask me why, but the future protrayed in ME is the kind of future I hope for (minus the Reaper threat lol).
Whether it makes perfect sense to you or not... I still think the ending was brilliant on so many levels. It pains me to see the stubborn ignorance on this forum that insists the ending was BAD and refuse to believe IT is a real possibily and been planned for awhile. Filing lawsuits, DEMANDING a different ending... these things make me ashamed to be a gamer.

I had shielded myself from pre-launch media for my first playthrough. I am not lying when I say that I saw the indoctrination coming a mile away. Don't get me wrong, though I have considered this possibility since ME1 when Shep was first exposed to Reaper Tech, I did not notice the subtle clues during 3. The only thought I had was that the little boy wasn't real, Although I didn't know what to make of it. 

At the end, I felt sad and hopeless, ready to give into dispair. Think about, this is how indoctrination works. The clues are scattered ALL throughout the trilogy and books. You just need to open your mind and accept new possibilties. Not everything is at it seems.

I honestly don't think this is the end of ME OR Shepard. The Reapers will take years, possibly centuries to conquer all organic life. Harbinger wants Shepard ALIVE. This war WILL continue.

Hear hear! Welcome to the thread, we have cookies and intellegent debate and whatnot.
And yes, trying to debate some on this forum I find it difficult to understand their thinking... not quite sure why anyone would take everything the "Catalyst" says at face value.

[byne]

Hawk227 wrote...

Shepard wasn't "led to the base", like some sort of ploy. They had to quash Cerberus once and for all.

I do agree it was weird that they had to incorporate the Reaper Brain/Heart into the Crucible. Surely the original plans didn't call for it, and hooking up to the Citadel was to provide the needed energy and direction.

I always wondered whose idea it was to incorporate the Reaper Brain/Heart into the Crucible. Hackett said assaulting Cerberus is for all intents and purposes the first stage of retaking Earth.

Wasnt the Crucible already finished by then, lacking only the Catalyst? Why add something that was not only not in the plans, but not needed and potentially a threat, especially at the last minute?

They'd have had to really rush to get it installed before they took the Crucible to Earth. Why do it at all?

[paxxton]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

You also cannot avoid the alliance fleets. EDI didn't make any suggestions to use the Reaper, the base were captured anyway and they would have found the Reaper in any case.

EDI might be a perfect sleeper agent. Shepard won't know until after it is too late. I like EDI but her being Reaper Inside makes me think.

Modifié par paxxton, 13 mai 2012 - 02:19 .

[Rifneno]

HyperGlass wrote...

I don't think they would be named as a reference. Why would they place a refernece to something that would only be found by someone who has the need to look through the game files? It's not a good place to put a easter egg if it is one.

An easter egg I doubt. Accidentally letting their real intents on an object slip out because they forgot we can see that stuff even in the compressed file? That sounds more likely. Oh BTW, take a gander at the name of the "control" ending device:

MegumiAzusa wrote...

I actually wish there would be a way to save TIM, I always feel sorry for him.

That makes one of us. There's two possibilities. Either indoctrination has been affecting him for far longer than we thought, in which case the real Jack Harper died decades ago, or he was truly responsible for Cerberus' vast list of crimes prior to ME3. And if that's the case, **** him with a rake.

Simon_Says wrote...

It's like the Suicide Mission but with a much higher success limit. The Suicide Mission could fail, or succeed at great cost. Only if you work your ass off beforehand are you going to manage to earn the best outcome.

That reminds me. I remember reading that the lowest you could get through with no casualties was 2 loyal squaddies. 95% sure it was a comment from a dev. Anyone know if that was accurate, and if so, what the setup is? I've been curious for the longest time.

HyperGlass wrote...

I doesn't but if TIM killed himself.....I keep thinking back to how Soverign was killed because Sarren was killed. I keep thinking that the Reapers would have been weakened similiar to that.
TIM killing himself = he fought it off weaking the Reapers (my guess)
TIM not kiling himself = vice versa
Or am I missing out Anderson in this?

Saren's death lead to Sovereign being, for lack of a better word, stunned. Theoretically that could probably work again but it would only work on the Reaper directly controlling the slain avatar. Not all of them. Also, the Reaper in question would have to be a ****** like Nazara was. Remember when Shepard blew up the Collector Base? Harbinger specifically said he was releasing control of the Collector General a moment before it died. So Sovereign would've been alright if he'd just disconnected from Geth Stalker Mk. II Saren before Shepard owned it.

liggy002 wrote...

Here is one of the most interesting questions of all: If we assume IT is true, what does the Crucible actually do?

That's an interesting question. I'm glad you mentioned that, because I had a theory yesterday I totally forgot about before I got home to post it. I seriously doubt this is the case, but it'd be an interesting twist.

Okay, mass effect. It works by charging energy through element zero, right? The more of each, the more powerful effect. Now we know that the Crucible draws a tremendous amount of energy, right? That's all they COULD determine from it. And the "catalyst" is the Citadel. The Citadel itself is a dormant mass relay remember. Logically speaking, it must have the largest element zero core of anything we know about. It sustains its own barriers over many miles, and it links a great distance into dark space where the Reapers lie in wait, much farther than any mass relay goes. Here's my thought. What if they Crucible, rather than being a Reaper trap in the sense we thought, is the Reapers using organics to help them create a mass relay powerful enough to link with a neaby galaxy? I mean, they have us making a device that produces unimaginable power and they've got us hooking it up to the biggest eezo core they have.

The only wrinkle in it is that mass relays need to be in pairs. So there would have to be one at the destination as well. Though it's possible that once the Crucible has been "perfected" they'll fly it over there with conventional FTL and build another one here. It would take hundreds of thousands, maybe millions of years, but it's not like Reapers have a deadline.

[Legion109]

byne wrote...

I always wondered whose idea it was to incorporate the Reaper Brain/Heart into the Crucible. Hackett said assaulting Cerberus is for all intents and purposes the first stage of retaking Earth.

Wasnt the Crucible already finished by then, lacking only the Catalyst? Why add something that was not only not in the plans, but not needed and potentially a threat, especially at the last minute?

They'd have had to really rush to get it installed before they took the Crucible to Earth. Why do it at all?

I've always thought Hackett was a major pain in my ass in ME3, at first I thought BW was going to do something brilliant when the reapers first invaded like indoctrinating Hackett since they encountered his armada first. Then having him turn on the others at a critical moment but nooooo.

And TSA. :crying: Can I haz cookie

[Dwailing]

Hawk227 wrote...

byne wrote...

Man, seeing Mass Effect voice actors in something else is always weird.

Was watching Legend of Korra, Grunt's VA plays the main bad guy, and Admiral Hackett's VA plays his second in command.

It's hard to root for the hero of the show when she is going against Grunt AND Hackett.

I've been hearing Garrus seeing Brandon Keener a lot lately. His speed dating lies were foiled by a woman with a 3G in an AT&T commercial, and he was a suspect turned victim in an episode of Castle recently.

Also, Admiral Hackett was the star of Millenium.

Everyone knows Miranda and Aria's voice actresses. Kal'Reeger (Adam Baldwin) was in X-Files, Chuck and Firefly (and lots of other stuff), Gatatog Uvenk was Worff from Star Trek: The next generation, and Admiral Xen/Aethyta was in Farscape.

Claudia Black was Chloe Frazier in Uncharted!?   This.  Is.  AWESOME!!!

[Dwailing]

Legion109 wrote...

byne wrote...

I always wondered whose idea it was to incorporate the Reaper Brain/Heart into the Crucible. Hackett said assaulting Cerberus is for all intents and purposes the first stage of retaking Earth.

Wasnt the Crucible already finished by then, lacking only the Catalyst? Why add something that was not only not in the plans, but not needed and potentially a threat, especially at the last minute?

They'd have had to really rush to get it installed before they took the Crucible to Earth. Why do it at all?

I've always thought Hackett was a major pain in my ass in ME3, at first I thought BW was going to do something brilliant when the reapers first invaded like indoctrinating Hackett since they encountered his armada first. Then having him turn on the others at a critical moment but nooooo.

And TSA. :crying: Can I haz cookie

Here you go!

 
Yeah, I agree that going through the TSA is rough.  Well, at least it's over with now.

Edit: If you can't see my cookie picture, just quote my post, that should show it.

Modifié par Dwailing, 13 mai 2012 - 03:10 .

[TSA_383]

Legion109 wrote...
And TSA. :crying: Can I haz cookie

You can have one if you help me study for my exam tuesday:
http://www.aerostude...OfVibration.pdf


By the by, nobody at all has sent me a legendsave file yet

Modifié par TSA_383, 13 mai 2012 - 03:16 .

[Ytook]

Rifneno wrote...

An easter egg I doubt. Accidentally letting their real intents on an object slip out because they forgot we can see that stuff even in the compressed file? That sounds more likely. Oh BTW, take a gander at the name of the "control" ending device:

*snip*

Wow, that's... interesting, is this theme carried on with other objects? Are parts that make up synthesis called end_choice_badB for example or destroy end_choice_good?

[Dwailing]

Ytook wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

An easter egg I doubt. Accidentally letting their real intents on an object slip out because they forgot we can see that stuff even in the compressed file? That sounds more likely. Oh BTW, take a gander at the name of the "control" ending device:

*snip*

Wow, that's... interesting, is this theme carried on with other objects? Are parts that make up synthesis called end_choice_badB for example or destroy end_choice_good?

Sadly, no one can check on Synthesis since there are no models related to it, just a beam of light.

[TSA_383]

Ytook wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

An easter egg I doubt. Accidentally letting their real intents on an object slip out because they forgot we can see that stuff even in the compressed file? That sounds more likely. Oh BTW, take a gander at the name of the "control" ending device:

*snip*

Wow, that's... interesting, is this theme carried on with other objects? Are parts that make up synthesis called end_choice_badB for example or destroy end_choice_good?

No, but the sound of you shooting the red tube is referred to as "guardianend" (interesting as the catalyst was originally supposed to be Javik and the child was meant to be called Guardian).
there's also the obvious "Shepalive" bit.

To be honest, there's as much stuff in the audio as in the textures - the same synth sound (the "angelic choir" one is used in only 5 places in the game, the three dreams, the moment you get hit by harbinger's beam, and the final choice sequence.) There's also major wind noise in the "Shepalive" bit, and the sounds of what appears to be continuing fighting in the background, indicating that the player is on earth once more...

[Dwailing]

 Hey, I'm interested in something and I need to know the answer.  Do any of you know the exact effect of choosing the, "You left me," dialogue when talking to Ashley in the hospital if you romanced someone else in ME2?  Just how much does it affect her approval of you?  Does it ruin my chances of getting Ken and Gabby dialogue if I do it?  'Cause while I'll edit the variable for her approval rating when I have Kaidan, I'm not going to do it while she's alive.

[Nauks]

Legion109 wrote...

I've always thought Hackett was a major pain in my ass in ME3, at first I thought BW was going to do something brilliant when the reapers first invaded like indoctrinating Hackett since they encountered his armada first. Then having him turn on the others at a critical moment but nooooo.

How do you know he wasn't thought? >
He sort of does betray us (but in a more insidious way than you describe) he sends Shepard to get a nice dose of Reapery goodness from object Rho right before ME3, then directly oversees the Crucible (which we've written off as a sinister at best no?) something fishy is up with that man.

[Dwailing]

Nauks wrote...

Legion109 wrote...

I've always thought Hackett was a major pain in my ass in ME3, at first I thought BW was going to do something brilliant when the reapers first invaded like indoctrinating Hackett since they encountered his armada first. Then having him turn on the others at a critical moment but nooooo.

How do you know he wasn't thought? >
He sort of does betray us (but in a more insidious way than you describe) he sends Shepard to get a nice dose of Reapery goodness from object Rho right before ME3, then directly oversees the Crucible (which we've written off as a sinister at best no?) something fishy is up with that man.

I don't think he knew about Object Rho.  However, with the Crucible, I agree that something is up.  Man, we're starting to see indoctrination everywhere, no?  Not saying whether that's a good or a bad thing, just saying that we are starting to see it in many different places.

[gunslinger_ruiz]

Dwailing wrote...

 Hey, I'm interested in something and I need to know the answer.  Do any of you know the exact effect of choosing the, "You left me," dialogue when talking to Ashley in the hospital if you romanced someone else in ME2?  Just how much does it affect her approval of you?  Does it ruin my chances of getting Ken and Gabby dialogue if I do it?  'Cause while I'll edit the variable for her approval rating when I have Kaidan, I'm not going to do it while she's alive.

I think I've seen that clip on youtube, but don't know the direct conciquence. The "polite" option shouldn't lock you into a relationship if thats what you're concerened about, most "lock ins" happen after the coup attempt.

[Nauks]

Dwailing wrote...

Nauks wrote...

Legion109 wrote...

I've always thought Hackett was a major pain in my ass in ME3, at first I thought BW was going to do something brilliant when the reapers first invaded like indoctrinating Hackett since they encountered his armada first. Then having him turn on the others at a critical moment but nooooo.

How do you know he wasn't thought? >
He sort of does betray us (but in a more insidious way than you describe) he sends Shepard to get a nice dose of Reapery goodness from object Rho right before ME3, then directly oversees the Crucible (which we've written off as a sinister at best no?) something fishy is up with that man.

I don't think he knew about Object Rho.  However, with the Crucible, I agree that something is up.  Man, we're starting to see indoctrination everywhere, no?  Not saying whether that's a good or a bad thing, just saying that we are starting to see it in many different places.

Considering how many chess pieces they had a hand in moving over the many many years they spent plotting how they'd manage our cycle, it will probably end up sounding (or being fact) that most everyone is in some level of indoctrination. >

[DirtyPhoenix]

I've always wondered, what is an omni tool made of? Hologram? emitted from where.. maybe a chip embedded inside the wearer's arm?

[Dwailing]

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

 Hey, I'm interested in something and I need to know the answer.  Do any of you know the exact effect of choosing the, "You left me," dialogue when talking to Ashley in the hospital if you romanced someone else in ME2?  Just how much does it affect her approval of you?  Does it ruin my chances of getting Ken and Gabby dialogue if I do it?  'Cause while I'll edit the variable for her approval rating when I have Kaidan, I'm not going to do it while she's alive.

I think I've seen that clip on youtube, but don't know the direct conciquence. The "polite" option shouldn't lock you into a relationship if thats what you're concerened about, most "lock ins" happen after the coup attempt.

I know about the lock ins.  What I'm thinking about is just how much it affects our friendship.  If it impacts it too negatively, then I won't do it, since until Bioware releases a patch that fixes the bug that ties Ken and Gabby's dialogue to Ashley's approval rating, I won't be doing anything to impact our friendship negatively.

[TSA_383]

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

 Hey, I'm interested in something and I need to know the answer.  Do any of you know the exact effect of choosing the, "You left me," dialogue when talking to Ashley in the hospital if you romanced someone else in ME2?  Just how much does it affect her approval of you?  Does it ruin my chances of getting Ken and Gabby dialogue if I do it?  'Cause while I'll edit the variable for her approval rating when I have Kaidan, I'm not going to do it while she's alive.

I think I've seen that clip on youtube, but don't know the direct conciquence. The "polite" option shouldn't lock you into a relationship if thats what you're concerened about, most "lock ins" happen after the coup attempt.

I think all of them happen after the coup, no?
Shep can go around being all pimptacular until then...

[Dwailing]

pirate1802 wrote...

I've always wondered, what is an omni tool made of? Hologram? emitted from where.. maybe a chip embedded inside the wearer's arm?

Space magic!  Just kidding.   I honestly don't know.  An implant would seem likely, though, since otherwise I don't see how it could appear.

Edit: Just reread the codex entry.  It describes an omni-tool as a hand held device, so I guess they just never modeled it.

Modifié par Dwailing, 13 mai 2012 - 03:47 .

[gunslinger_ruiz]

Dwailing wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

 Hey, I'm interested in something and I need to know the answer.  Do any of you know the exact effect of choosing the, "You left me," dialogue when talking to Ashley in the hospital if you romanced someone else in ME2?  Just how much does it affect her approval of you?  Does it ruin my chances of getting Ken and Gabby dialogue if I do it?  'Cause while I'll edit the variable for her approval rating when I have Kaidan, I'm not going to do it while she's alive.

I think I've seen that clip on youtube, but don't know the direct conciquence. The "polite" option shouldn't lock you into a relationship if thats what you're concerened about, most "lock ins" happen after the coup attempt.

I know about the lock ins.  What I'm thinking about is just how much it affects our friendship.  If it impacts it too negatively, then I won't do it, since until Bioware releases a patch that fixes the bug that ties Ken and Gabby's dialogue to Ashley's approval rating, I won't be doing anything to impact our friendship negatively.

That's a good question then. On my renegade femshep I picked all the "rude" responses whenever I visited her and even took teh renegade action to motion for my squad to keep their weapons trained on her during the coup. But since the salarian councilor survived Kai Leng and since I visited her all 3 times on the citadel she sided with me. Of course, I didn't romance her in that ME1 file being a femshep and all so I'm not sure if a broshep romanced ME1 saying that would hinder the trust.

[Dwailing]

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

 Hey, I'm interested in something and I need to know the answer.  Do any of you know the exact effect of choosing the, "You left me," dialogue when talking to Ashley in the hospital if you romanced someone else in ME2?  Just how much does it affect her approval of you?  Does it ruin my chances of getting Ken and Gabby dialogue if I do it?  'Cause while I'll edit the variable for her approval rating when I have Kaidan, I'm not going to do it while she's alive.

I think I've seen that clip on youtube, but don't know the direct conciquence. The "polite" option shouldn't lock you into a relationship if thats what you're concerened about, most "lock ins" happen after the coup attempt.

I know about the lock ins.  What I'm thinking about is just how much it affects our friendship.  If it impacts it too negatively, then I won't do it, since until Bioware releases a patch that fixes the bug that ties Ken and Gabby's dialogue to Ashley's approval rating, I won't be doing anything to impact our friendship negatively.

That's a good question then. On my renegade femshep I picked all the "rude" responses whenever I visited her and even took teh renegade action to motion for my squad to keep their weapons trained on her during the coup. But since the salarian councilor survived Kai Leng and since I visited her all 3 times on the citadel she sided with me. Of course, I didn't romance her in that ME1 file being a femshep and all so I'm not sure if a broshep romanced ME1 saying that would hinder the trust.

Well then, I don't know.  Question, did you get all of the dialogue with Ken and Gabby up to and including their argument?  'Cause that would tell me what I need to know.

[lex0r11]

GUD morning from europe!

Someone give me a status report.

Dwailing wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...

I've always wondered, what is an omni tool made of? Hologram? emitted from where.. maybe a chip embedded inside the wearer's arm?

Space magic! Just kidding. {smilie} I honestly don't know. An implant would seem likely, though, since otherwise I don't see how it could appear.

Edit: Just reread the codex entry. It describes an omni-tool as a hand held device, so I guess they just never modeled it.

Modifié par lex0r11, 13 mai 2012 - 03:55 .

[gunslinger_ruiz]

Dwailing wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

 Hey, I'm interested in something and I need to know the answer.  Do any of you know the exact effect of choosing the, "You left me," dialogue when talking to Ashley in the hospital if you romanced someone else in ME2?  Just how much does it affect her approval of you?  Does it ruin my chances of getting Ken and Gabby dialogue if I do it?  'Cause while I'll edit the variable for her approval rating when I have Kaidan, I'm not going to do it while she's alive.

I think I've seen that clip on youtube, but don't know the direct conciquence. The "polite" option shouldn't lock you into a relationship if thats what you're concerened about, most "lock ins" happen after the coup attempt.

I know about the lock ins.  What I'm thinking about is just how much it affects our friendship.  If it impacts it too negatively, then I won't do it, since until Bioware releases a patch that fixes the bug that ties Ken and Gabby's dialogue to Ashley's approval rating, I won't be doing anything to impact our friendship negatively.

That's a good question then. On my renegade femshep I picked all the "rude" responses whenever I visited her and even took teh renegade action to motion for my squad to keep their weapons trained on her during the coup. But since the salarian councilor survived Kai Leng and since I visited her all 3 times on the citadel she sided with me. Of course, I didn't romance her in that ME1 file being a femshep and all so I'm not sure if a broshep romanced ME1 saying that would hinder the trust.

Well then, I don't know.  Question, did you get all of the dialogue with Ken and Gabby up to and including their argument?  'Cause that would tell me what I need to know.

I'm almost positive I did, though it took awhile and I'm pretty sure it was after drinks on the Citadel. Pretty sure I picked the rude options there too being a renegade and all... Or maybe not, its been awhile since I've been through with that one (she's a renegade with a heart of gold, sometimes picks the nice things to say). I do recall circling the engine room listening to all the dialogue until they ran out.

[gunslinger_ruiz]

Good to see you lex0r! I've been on and off the thread all day, but couldn't tell you what's what since I haven't been paying much attention.