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gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

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 Hey, I'm interested in something and I need to know the answer.  Do any of you know the exact effect of choosing the, "You left me," dialogue when talking to Ashley in the hospital if you romanced someone else in ME2?  Just how much does it affect her approval of you?  Does it ruin my chances of getting Ken and Gabby dialogue if I do it?  'Cause while I'll edit the variable for her approval rating when I have Kaidan, I'm not going to do it while she's alive.


I think I've seen that clip on youtube, but don't know the direct conciquence. The "polite" option shouldn't lock you into a relationship if thats what you're concerened about, most "lock ins" happen after the coup attempt.


I know about the lock ins.  What I'm thinking about is just how much it affects our friendship.  If it impacts it too negatively, then I won't do it, since until Bioware releases a patch that fixes the bug that ties Ken and Gabby's dialogue to Ashley's approval rating, I won't be doing anything to impact our friendship negatively.


That's a good question then. On my renegade femshep I picked all the "rude" responses whenever I visited her and even took teh renegade action to motion for my squad to keep their weapons trained on her during the coup. But since the salarian councilor survived Kai Leng and since I visited her all 3 times on the citadel she sided with me. Of course, I didn't romance her in that ME1 file being a femshep and all so I'm not sure if a broshep romanced ME1 saying that would hinder the trust.


Well then, I don't know.  Question, did you get all of the dialogue with Ken and Gabby up to and including their argument?  'Cause that would tell me what I need to know.


I'm almost positive I did, though it took awhile and I'm pretty sure it was after drinks on the Citadel. Pretty sure I picked the rude options there too being a renegade and all... Or maybe not, its been awhile since I've been through with that one (she's a renegade with a heart of gold, sometimes picks the nice things to say). I do recall circling the engine room listening to all the dialogue until they ran out.


OK!  Thanks for the info.  One last question, did you remember if you sided with Gabby and got the little scene with them below deck?  If you remember, then that should be all I need to know.  Although, I'm not certain if it would be the same with BroShep... oh well, time to experiment!  On the next playthrough with Ash, I'll try choosing the line and I'll see what happens with Ken and Gabby.  Thanks again for all the info.  You've been a real help.

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GUD morning from europe!

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I've always wondered, what is an omni tool made of? Hologram? emitted from where.. maybe a chip embedded inside the wearer's arm?


Space magic! Just kidding. {smilie} I honestly don't know. An implant would seem likely, though, since otherwise I don't see how it could appear.

Edit: Just reread the codex entry. It describes an omni-tool as a hand held device, so I guess they just never modeled it.



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Well, we've been debating exactly what the Crucible might do if it isn't actually a Reaper destroying super weapon, and I've been trying to figure out exactly what effect the line, "You left me," has on Ash's friendship level and by extension any dialogue with Ken and Gabby.

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Dwailing wrote...

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OK!  Thanks for the info.  One last question, did you remember if you sided with Gabby and got the little scene with them below deck?  If you remember, then that should be all I need to know.  Although, I'm not certain if it would be the same with BroShep... oh well, time to experiment!  On the next playthrough with Ash, I'll try choosing the line and I'll see what happens with Ken and Gabby.  Thanks again for all the info.  You've been a real help.


I definitley remember getting that scene (siding with gabby) and ahead of time from my first run through since I was constantly checking on everyone in the ship between missions. I haven't had a problem with that Ash approval rating bug personally (since I always seem to gain her approval) but I do hope they fix it soon.

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Dwailing wrote...

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I've always wondered, what is an omni tool made of? Hologram? emitted from where.. maybe a chip embedded inside the wearer's arm?


Space magic!  Just kidding. ;)  I honestly don't know.  An implant would seem likely, though, since otherwise I don't see how it could appear.

Edit: Just reread the codex entry.  It describes an omni-tool as a hand held device, so I guess they just never modeled it.


Holograms are one of the things that fascinate me the most in the Mass Effect universe. You see them everywhere. keyboards, displays, comms, 3d models.. :D

EDIT: i read the codes entry just now, maybe the "hand-held" part referred to the holographic projection. We do see people pressing buttons and turning dials on it. And that projection may come from a chip :D

Ok enough ranting, I run off now. Continue with your discussions xD

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pirate1802 wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

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I've always wondered, what is an omni tool made of? Hologram? emitted from where.. maybe a chip embedded inside the wearer's arm?


Space magic!  Just kidding. ;)  I honestly don't know.  An implant would seem likely, though, since otherwise I don't see how it could appear.

Edit: Just reread the codex entry.  It describes an omni-tool as a hand held device, so I guess they just never modeled it.


Holograms are one of the things that fascinate me the most in the Mass Effect universe. You see them everywhere. keyboards, displays, comms, 3d models.. :D


I hope I get to see those in real life within my liftetime. Holographic keyboard/mouse interface? Sign me up! Man I hope some genius inventor see's the omni-tools and tries to make one. It'd be like a smartphone x10 but around your wrist + a holographic display.

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Man, seeing Mass Effect voice actors in something else is always weird.

Was watching Legend of Korra, Grunt's VA plays the main bad guy, and Admiral Hackett's VA plays his second in command.

It's hard to root for the hero of the show when she is going against Grunt AND Hackett.


What a GREAT show, how those creators were able to follow up the masterpiece of Avatar with something just as good is beyond me.


Yeah, I was worried it wouldnt be as good as the original show, but DAMN was I wrong. It's fantastic.

But All I keep seeing is the Red Green and Blue.... I love the new show so far

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gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...

I've always wondered, what is an omni tool made of? Hologram? emitted from where.. maybe a chip embedded inside the wearer's arm?


Space magic!  Just kidding. ;)  I honestly don't know.  An implant would seem likely, though, since otherwise I don't see how it could appear.

Edit: Just reread the codex entry.  It describes an omni-tool as a hand held device, so I guess they just never modeled it.


Holograms are one of the things that fascinate me the most in the Mass Effect universe. You see them everywhere. keyboards, displays, comms, 3d models.. :D


I hope I get to see those in real life within my liftetime. Holographic keyboard/mouse interface? Sign me up! Man I hope some genius inventor see's the omni-tools and tries to make one. It'd be like a smartphone x10 but around your wrist + a holographic display.


Protip: Go to a uni big on research and get to know all the lab staff and you'll see stuff like you wouldn't believe - 20 years ahead of its time ;)

One of my lecturers is involved in trying to develop room-temperature superconductors currently - absolutely crazy implications if they can do it :blink:

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TSA_383 wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...

I've always wondered, what is an omni tool made of? Hologram? emitted from where.. maybe a chip embedded inside the wearer's arm?


Space magic!  Just kidding. ;)  I honestly don't know.  An implant would seem likely, though, since otherwise I don't see how it could appear.

Edit: Just reread the codex entry.  It describes an omni-tool as a hand held device, so I guess they just never modeled it.


Holograms are one of the things that fascinate me the most in the Mass Effect universe. You see them everywhere. keyboards, displays, comms, 3d models.. :D


I hope I get to see those in real life within my liftetime. Holographic keyboard/mouse interface? Sign me up! Man I hope some genius inventor see's the omni-tools and tries to make one. It'd be like a smartphone x10 but around your wrist + a holographic display.


Protip: Go to a uni big on research and get to know all the lab staff and you'll see stuff like you wouldn't believe - 20 years ahead of its time ;)

One of my lecturers is involved in trying to develop room-temperature superconductors currently - absolutely crazy implications if they can do it :blink:


I would do that but my brain is no big enough. The fact that I'm comparing the size of my brain to the ability of using it should show you that, now that I think about it.

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Completely unrelated story:
Broke up with my girl 3 days ago because she is immature and selfish. Went to dinner tonight with this cute girl from work. Very nice young lady, but she eats like a ****ing Vorcha. Open mouth, smacking noises, slurps, and she flicks her tongue out. WTF IS THAT?! It's Revolting! Who eats like that? Toddlers, thats who. It made me lose my appetite. I didn't have the heart to say anything though. I don't even know how I'm going to look at her when I go back to work.
Should have spent the evening right here in this thread.

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gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

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OK!  Thanks for the info.  One last question, did you remember if you sided with Gabby and got the little scene with them below deck?  If you remember, then that should be all I need to know.  Although, I'm not certain if it would be the same with BroShep... oh well, time to experiment!  On the next playthrough with Ash, I'll try choosing the line and I'll see what happens with Ken and Gabby.  Thanks again for all the info.  You've been a real help.


I definitley remember getting that scene (siding with gabby) and ahead of time from my first run through since I was constantly checking on everyone in the ship between missions. I haven't had a problem with that Ash approval rating bug personally (since I always seem to gain her approval) but I do hope they fix it soon.


OK!  This helps a bunch.  I guess you really have to mess up in order to lose her approval.

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Completely unrelated story:
Broke up with my girl 3 days ago because she is immature and selfish. Went to dinner tonight with this cute girl from work. Very nice young lady, but she eats like a ****ing Vorcha. Open mouth, smacking noises, slurps, and she flicks her tongue out. WTF IS THAT?! It's Revolting! Who eats like that? Toddlers, thats who. It made me lose my appetite. I didn't have the heart to say anything though. I don't even know how I'm going to look at her when I go back to work.
Should have spent the evening right here in this thread.


Does she sound like BroShep?  'Cause he did the voices of all the Vorcha in ME2.

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spotlessvoid wrote...

Completely unrelated story:
Broke up with my girl 3 days ago because she is immature and selfish. Went to dinner tonight with this cute girl from work. Very nice young lady, but she eats like a ****ing Vorcha. Open mouth, smacking noises, slurps, and she flicks her tongue out. WTF IS THAT?! It's Revolting! Who eats like that? Toddlers, thats who. It made me lose my appetite. I didn't have the heart to say anything though. I don't even know how I'm going to look at her when I go back to work.
Should have spent the evening right here in this thread.

That enthusiasm and attitude may be indicitive of other.... talents...
Just saying, at least dip your toe in the pool before you decide not to go for a swim...

AND BACK TO THE THREAD :whistle:

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spotlessvoid wrote...

Completely unrelated story:
Broke up with my girl 3 days ago because she is immature and selfish. Went to dinner tonight with this cute girl from work. Very nice young lady, but she eats like a ****ing Vorcha. Open mouth, smacking noises, slurps, and she flicks her tongue out. WTF IS THAT?! It's Revolting! Who eats like that? Toddlers, thats who. It made me lose my appetite. I didn't have the heart to say anything though. I don't even know how I'm going to look at her when I go back to work.
Should have spent the evening right here in this thread.


Hmm, I wonder if you were to tell you "You eat like a Vorcha!" in a cheerful manner, would she get the reference? On second thought don't, she'd prob google it and initiate awkwardness. Thinking on this, while this thread is a fun place and all I think I'd rather go out to dinner with a cute girl from work who happens to eat like a Vorcha.

PS read yoru post in a Zaeed voice, it was awesome just needed a few "goddamn"s in there.

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I don't think they would be named as a reference. Why would they place a refernece to something that would only be found by someone who has the need to look through the game files? It's not a good place to put a easter egg if it is one.


An easter egg I doubt. Accidentally letting their real intents on an object slip out because they forgot we can see that stuff even in the compressed file? That sounds more likely. Oh BTW, take a gander at the name of the "control" ending device:

*snip*

Why oh why haven't we found the assets used for the destruction ending.


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I actually wish there would be a way to save TIM, I always feel sorry for him.


That makes one of us. There's two possibilities. Either indoctrination has been affecting him for far longer than we thought, in which case the real Jack Harper died decades ago, or he was truly responsible for Cerberus' vast list of crimes prior to ME3. And if that's the case, **** him with a rake.

His story is tragic. His rise to power was launched by the reapers yes, but we have to remember that for all the terrible crimes he commited even before falling completely under the sway of the enemy, he was one of the very few who was trying to help prepare humanity for the reaper threat. Where the Council and Alliance was dismissive and apathetic, TIM (and Cerberus) stood vigilant and ready. When humanity needed its best and brightest back, TIM delivered Shepard. When Shepard needed allies, TIM offered his hand. If not for TIM, would the galaxy have been unified at all by the end of ME3? In the end, didn't the galaxy need a man like TIM at some point?

He does deserve some sympathy. What he doesn't deserve is pity.

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It's like the Suicide Mission but with a much higher success limit. The Suicide Mission could fail, or succeed at great cost. Only if you work your ass off beforehand are you going to manage to earn the best outcome.


That reminds me. I remember reading that the lowest you could get through with no casualties was 2 loyal squaddies. 95% sure it was a comment from a dev. Anyone know if that was accurate, and if so, what the setup is? I've been curious for the longest time.

I somewhat doubt that. You need a loyal techie, a loyal squad leader and a loyal biotic at the very least. These are unfortunately mutually exclusive, so that's three.

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Here is one of the most interesting questions of all: If we assume IT is true, what does the Crucible actually do?


That's an interesting question. I'm glad you mentioned that, because I had a theory yesterday I totally forgot about before I got home to post it. I seriously doubt this is the case, but it'd be an interesting twist.

Okay, mass effect. It works by charging energy through element zero, right? The more of each, the more powerful effect. Now we know that the Crucible draws a tremendous amount of energy, right? That's all they COULD determine from it. And the "catalyst" is the Citadel. The Citadel itself is a dormant mass relay remember. Logically speaking, it must have the largest element zero core of anything we know about. It sustains its own barriers over many miles, and it links a great distance into dark space where the Reapers lie in wait, much farther than any mass relay goes. Here's my thought. What if they Crucible, rather than being a Reaper trap in the sense we thought, is the Reapers using organics to help them create a mass relay powerful enough to link with a neaby galaxy? I mean, they have us making a device that produces unimaginable power and they've got us hooking it up to the biggest eezo core they have.

The only wrinkle in it is that mass relays need to be in pairs. So there would have to be one at the destination as well. Though it's possible that once the Crucible has been "perfected" they'll fly it over there with conventional FTL and build another one here. It would take hundreds of thousands, maybe millions of years, but it's not like Reapers have a deadline.

But do mass relays need to work in pairs? What if it's just two one-way cannons that point at each other for easier traversal? It's an intruiging possibility though.

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TSA_383 wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

Completely unrelated story:
Broke up with my girl 3 days ago because she is immature and selfish. Went to dinner tonight with this cute girl from work. Very nice young lady, but she eats like a ****ing Vorcha. Open mouth, smacking noises, slurps, and she flicks her tongue out. WTF IS THAT?! It's Revolting! Who eats like that? Toddlers, thats who. It made me lose my appetite. I didn't have the heart to say anything though. I don't even know how I'm going to look at her when I go back to work.
Should have spent the evening right here in this thread.

That enthusiasm and attitude may be indicitive of other.... talents...
Just saying, at least dip your toe in the pool before you decide not to go for a swim...

AND BACK TO THE THREAD :whistle:



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Dwailing wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

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OK!  Thanks for the info.  One last question, did you remember if you sided with Gabby and got the little scene with them below deck?  If you remember, then that should be all I need to know.  Although, I'm not certain if it would be the same with BroShep... oh well, time to experiment!  On the next playthrough with Ash, I'll try choosing the line and I'll see what happens with Ken and Gabby.  Thanks again for all the info.  You've been a real help.


I definitley remember getting that scene (siding with gabby) and ahead of time from my first run through since I was constantly checking on everyone in the ship between missions. I haven't had a problem with that Ash approval rating bug personally (since I always seem to gain her approval) but I do hope they fix it soon.


OK!  This helps a bunch.  I guess you really have to mess up in order to lose her approval.


I think mostly you just have to visit her in the hospital all  three occaisions, regardless of what's said, and saving the counciler via Thane or Kirrahe works out in your favor. If you skip the hospital favor it for sure does a number on the trust.

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Dwailing wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

*snip*


Does she sound like BroShep?  'Cause he did the voices of all the Vorcha in ME2.


Wait seriously? Alright, that man has some talent! Always liked the Vorcha voices.

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Dwailing wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

Completely unrelated story:
Broke up with my girl 3 days ago because she is immature and selfish. Went to dinner tonight with this cute girl from work. Very nice young lady, but she eats like a ****ing Vorcha. Open mouth, smacking noises, slurps, and she flicks her tongue out. WTF IS THAT?! It's Revolting! Who eats like that? Toddlers, thats who. It made me lose my appetite. I didn't have the heart to say anything though. I don't even know how I'm going to look at her when I go back to work.
Should have spent the evening right here in this thread.


Does she sound like BroShep?  'Cause he did the voices of all the Vorcha in ME2.


Is that really true!? He also did the voices of most (all?) of the volus (voli, voluses?) in ME2. Once I noticed it, it made the Biotic god scene... weird.

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Hi All,

What's the haps?

I just finished my first playthrough of ME1 in about a year. I know that people have been saying for ages that Synthesis was Saren's choice in ME1, and I always kind of assumed that they were speaking metaphorically....boy was I wrong! Saren pretty much explicitly refers to the synthesis of organics and machines as the pinnacle of evolution. Just like a certain ghostly child figure we know.

I've always found the "thematic evidence" dissonance surrounding the ending of ME3 as the most compelling piece of evidence that something just isn't right. After playing through ME1 again, I now believe that more than ever!
Hope y'all are having a good night/day/whatever the **** time it is where you're at!

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Hawk227 wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

Completely unrelated story:
Broke up with my girl 3 days ago because she is immature and selfish. Went to dinner tonight with this cute girl from work. Very nice young lady, but she eats like a ****ing Vorcha. Open mouth, smacking noises, slurps, and she flicks her tongue out. WTF IS THAT?! It's Revolting! Who eats like that? Toddlers, thats who. It made me lose my appetite. I didn't have the heart to say anything though. I don't even know how I'm going to look at her when I go back to work.
Should have spent the evening right here in this thread.


Does she sound like BroShep?  'Cause he did the voices of all the Vorcha in ME2.


Is that really true!? He also did the voices of most (all?) of the volus (voli, voluses?) in ME2. Once I noticed it, it made the Biotic god scene... weird.


I vote for Voli, sounds canon no?

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Big Bad wrote...

Hi All,

What's the haps?

I just finished my first playthrough of ME1 in about a year. I know that people have been saying for ages that Synthesis was Saren's choice in ME1, and I always kind of assumed that they were speaking metaphorically....boy was I wrong! Saren pretty much explicitly refers to the synthesis of organics and machines as the pinnacle of evolution. Just like a certain ghostly child figure we know.

I've always found the "thematic evidence" dissonance surrounding the ending of ME3 as the most compelling piece of evidence that something just isn't right. After playing through ME1 again, I now believe that more than ever!
Hope y'all are having a good night/day/whatever the **** time it is where you're at!

5:30am
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Simon_Says wrote...


Rifneno wrote...

liggy002 wrote...

Here is one of the most interesting questions of all: If we assume IT is true, what does the Crucible actually do?


That's an interesting question. I'm glad you mentioned that, because I had a theory yesterday I totally forgot about before I got home to post it. I seriously doubt this is the case, but it'd be an interesting twist.

Okay, mass effect. It works by charging energy through element zero, right? The more of each, the more powerful effect. Now we know that the Crucible draws a tremendous amount of energy, right? That's all they COULD determine from it. And the "catalyst" is the Citadel. The Citadel itself is a dormant mass relay remember. Logically speaking, it must have the largest element zero core of anything we know about. It sustains its own barriers over many miles, and it links a great distance into dark space where the Reapers lie in wait, much farther than any mass relay goes. Here's my thought. What if they Crucible, rather than being a Reaper trap in the sense we thought, is the Reapers using organics to help them create a mass relay powerful enough to link with a neaby galaxy? I mean, they have us making a device that produces unimaginable power and they've got us hooking it up to the biggest eezo core they have.

The only wrinkle in it is that mass relays need to be in pairs. So there would have to be one at the destination as well. Though it's possible that once the Crucible has been "perfected" they'll fly it over there with conventional FTL and build another one here. It would take hundreds of thousands, maybe millions of years, but it's not like Reapers have a deadline.

But do mass relays need to work in pairs? What if it's just two one-way cannons that point at each other for easier traversal? It's an intruiging possibility though.


I'm not sure it would be necessary. At 30 ly/day and without having to refuel (the reapers are capable of both) it would take a measley 238 years to get to the Andromeda galaxy. That's nothing to a reaper.

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Good afternoon all... Did I miss anything exciting in the past 24 hours?

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TSA_383 wrote...

Big Bad wrote...

Hi All,

What's the haps?

I just finished my first playthrough of ME1 in about a year. I know that people have been saying for ages that Synthesis was Saren's choice in ME1, and I always kind of assumed that they were speaking metaphorically....boy was I wrong! Saren pretty much explicitly refers to the synthesis of organics and machines as the pinnacle of evolution. Just like a certain ghostly child figure we know.

I've always found the "thematic evidence" dissonance surrounding the ending of ME3 as the most compelling piece of evidence that something just isn't right. After playing through ME1 again, I now believe that more than ever!
Hope y'all are having a good night/day/whatever the **** time it is where you're at!

5:30am
Exam in 52 hours...
Must...remember...all...the...things


Good luck!  I'm sure that all of the IT thinking and analysis that you've been doing will be an excellent brain warmup for your exam!  :D

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gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...

I've always wondered, what is an omni tool made of? Hologram? emitted from where.. maybe a chip embedded inside the wearer's arm?


Space magic!  Just kidding. ;)  I honestly don't know.  An implant would seem likely, though, since otherwise I don't see how it could appear.

Edit: Just reread the codex entry.  It describes an omni-tool as a hand held device, so I guess they just never modeled it.


Holograms are one of the things that fascinate me the most in the Mass Effect universe. You see them everywhere. keyboards, displays, comms, 3d models.. :D


I hope I get to see those in real life within my liftetime. Holographic keyboard/mouse interface? Sign me up! Man I hope some genius inventor see's the omni-tools and tries to make one. It'd be like a smartphone x10 but around your wrist + a holographic display.


Protip: Go to a uni big on research and get to know all the lab staff and you'll see stuff like you wouldn't believe - 20 years ahead of its time ;)

One of my lecturers is involved in trying to develop room-temperature superconductors currently - absolutely crazy implications if they can do it :blink:


I would do that but my brain is no big enough. The fact that I'm comparing the size of my brain to the ability of using it should show you that, now that I think about it.


ahahahahhah lol