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[gunslinger_ruiz]

TSA_383 wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

magnetite wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...
Because that's the original concept art for the very same room

In the art book, that room is actually listed as being apart of Cerberus Headquarters, not The Citadel. You were to walk past all those bodies, and arrive at the Illusive Man's office. Least according to the art book.

Alright, I got it, it's what if time *tinfoil hat equipped*

What if... The indoctrination attempt/hallucination....Starts on The Illusive Man's station? That's where the end-game save reverts you to, right? Simple explanation, after the Station mission you can't go anywhere else so it would be an ideal place to have an end-game save.... but, what IF?

Hang on, does that mean the reapers made Shep bang Liara?

"Indoctrination Theory - Answering the important questions"


(also, magnetite got it right in the post above, indoc probably starts at arrival or earlier depending on the canon/not canon state of Arrival & Object Rho)

Not what I meant. I meant the indoctrination attempt/Hallucination. I've been on this thread awhile, I've seen the list of objects that could have added to indoctrinating Shepard throughout the trilogy, no worries

edit: fixed within the quote.

Modifié par gunslinger_ruiz, 13 mai 2012 - 05:32 .

[ReD BaKen9]

"The latest species to try, the Protheans, were able to construct the Crucible, but before they could deploy it, infighting broke out between those who wanted to use it to destroy the Reapers and a faction that believed they could use it to control the Reapers; these separatists were later discovered to be indoctrinated." EVEN more proof control is bad!

[BleedingUranium]

Hawk227 wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Hawk227 wrote...

Also, does anyone else think its funny so many bit part VA are canadian? The Asari councilor in particular amuses me. Why does the Asari councilor have a canadian accent?

No. Bioware's based in Canada. Makes sense they're hire locally, especially for minor parts. As for the asari councilor, why does the last voice of the Protheans have a heavy Jamaican accent? Like anvil heavy.

I didn't mean to imply it wasn't understandable, just funny. I would think voice actors should be able to mask their accents. That's kind of the basis for the gig, right.

As for Javik, it's actually African (I think Kenyan, specifically). Not Jamaican. Personally, I didn't mind it because it was a unique accent within the universe. The Canadian thing jumped out (especially in ME1) because it was all over the place.

EDIT: It was Nigerian, not Kenyan.

Both Shepards are Canadian too

[TSA_383]

ReD BaKen9 wrote...

"The latest species to try, the Protheans, were able to construct the Crucible, but before they could deploy it, infighting broke out between those who wanted to use it to destroy the Reapers and a faction that believed they could use it to control the Reapers; these separatists were later discovered to be indoctrinated." EVEN more proof control is bad!

Did we need more?
I thought that was in the game as "BIG ****ING HINT: CONTROL = BAD ENDING".
Amazing that people who couldn't pick up on that still accuse bioware's writers of being unintelligent...

[gunslinger_ruiz]

TSA_383 wrote...

ReD BaKen9 wrote...

"The latest species to try, the Protheans, were able to construct the Crucible, but before they could deploy it, infighting broke out between those who wanted to use it to destroy the Reapers and a faction that believed they could use it to control the Reapers; these separatists were later discovered to be indoctrinated." EVEN more proof control is bad!

Did we need more?
I thought that was in the game as "BIG ****ING HINT: CONTROL = BAD ENDING".
Amazing that people who couldn't pick up on that still accuse bioware's writers of being unintelligent...

I'm curious, do you think the rage gamers will eventually calm down and start Actually looking at the endings from a standpoint other than "Bioware's Lazy!" etc? And if they do, I wonder if they'll see Indoctrination Theory as plausible or something else entirely....

[HellishFiend]

ReD BaKen9 wrote...

"The latest species to try, the Protheans, were able to construct the Crucible, but before they could deploy it, infighting broke out between those who wanted to use it to destroy the Reapers and a faction that believed they could use it to control the Reapers; these separatists were later discovered to be indoctrinated." EVEN more proof control is bad!

That goes well with the quote I posted yesterday from Retribution:

HellishFiend wrote...

By the way guys, here is a quote from Retribution:

He was being transformed. Repurposed. The implants in his brain had spread throughout his body.
The self-replicating Reaper nanotechnology had woven itself into his muscles, sinews, and nerves, transforming him into a monstrous hybrid of synthetic and organic life. 

"Final evolution of life", indeed.... 

I dont see how anyone who has read this book could think Synthesis is legit.

 

Seems like the lore has established pretty clearly that Control and Synthesis are both the wrong choice. 

[HellishFiend]

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

ReD BaKen9 wrote...

"The latest species to try, the Protheans, were able to construct the Crucible, but before they could deploy it, infighting broke out between those who wanted to use it to destroy the Reapers and a faction that believed they could use it to control the Reapers; these separatists were later discovered to be indoctrinated." EVEN more proof control is bad!

Did we need more?
I thought that was in the game as "BIG ****ING HINT: CONTROL = BAD ENDING".
Amazing that people who couldn't pick up on that still accuse bioware's writers of being unintelligent...

I'm curious, do you think the rage gamers will eventually calm down and start Actually looking at the endings from a standpoint other than "Bioware's Lazy!" etc? And if they do, I wonder if they'll see Indoctrination Theory as plausible or something else entirely....

Hard to say. Remember that in all aspects of life, the more attention something gets, the more haters it draws. Some of the hate is a legit concern, some of it is just for the sake of hate, or otherwise. No matter how brilliantly Bioware pulls it off, there will be a vocal minority that will take issue with it. Not much can be done about that. 

[OneWithTheAssassins]

I've been wondering what the reaction from that fan base would be if the EC ended up being the IT. Will all us believers jump up and shout "We told you so!" to the IT haters? How will they react? Will they cry fowl and how stupid Bioware is for using a fan made ending? What if Bioware says it was there plan all along and we were right? I think the IT haters would just plain out commit suicide.

[Auralius Carolus]

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

ReD BaKen9 wrote...

"The latest species to try, the Protheans, were able to construct the Crucible, but before they could deploy it, infighting broke out between those who wanted to use it to destroy the Reapers and a faction that believed they could use it to control the Reapers; these separatists were later discovered to be indoctrinated." EVEN more proof control is bad!

Did we need more?
I thought that was in the game as "BIG ****ING HINT: CONTROL = BAD ENDING".
Amazing that people who couldn't pick up on that still accuse bioware's writers of being unintelligent...

I'm curious, do you think the rage gamers will eventually calm down and start Actually looking at the endings from a standpoint other than "Bioware's Lazy!" etc? And if they do, I wonder if they'll see Indoctrination Theory as plausible or something else entirely....

Some people don't care to open their minds; they live by a narrative, not by investigation and logic.

There are those, however, (myself included), who are initially taken with disappointment and anger, but get over the shock and begin to see "what all the fuss is about".  When 2+2 doesn't equal 4, one does one's self an injustice not to ask "Why"?

[OneWithTheAssassins]

Auralius Carolus wrote...

Some people don't care to open their minds; they live by a narrative, not by investigation and logic.

There are those, however, (myself included), who are initially taken with disappointment and anger, but get over the shock and begin to see "what all the fuss is about".  When 2+2 doesn't equal 4, one does one's self an injustice not to ask "Why"?

^This^
So much of it.

[gunslinger_ruiz]

Auralius Carolus wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

ReD BaKen9 wrote...

"The latest species to try, the Protheans, were able to construct the Crucible, but before they could deploy it, infighting broke out between those who wanted to use it to destroy the Reapers and a faction that believed they could use it to control the Reapers; these separatists were later discovered to be indoctrinated." EVEN more proof control is bad!

Did we need more?
I thought that was in the game as "BIG ****ING HINT: CONTROL = BAD ENDING".
Amazing that people who couldn't pick up on that still accuse bioware's writers of being unintelligent...

I'm curious, do you think the rage gamers will eventually calm down and start Actually looking at the endings from a standpoint other than "Bioware's Lazy!" etc? And if they do, I wonder if they'll see Indoctrination Theory as plausible or something else entirely....

Some people don't care to open their minds; they live by a narrative, not by investigation and logic.

There are those, however, (myself included), who are initially taken with disappointment and anger, but get over the shock and begin to see "what all the fuss is about".  When 2+2 doesn't equal 4, one does one's self an injustice not to ask "Why"?

I'd put that in my sig if it wasn't already almost full. That should seriously be one of our mottos

Modifié par gunslinger_ruiz, 13 mai 2012 - 06:35 .

[Auralius Carolus]

HellishFiend wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

ReD BaKen9 wrote...

"The latest species to try, the Protheans, were able to construct the Crucible, but before they could deploy it, infighting broke out between those who wanted to use it to destroy the Reapers and a faction that believed they could use it to control the Reapers; these separatists were later discovered to be indoctrinated." EVEN more proof control is bad!

Did we need more?
I thought that was in the game as "BIG ****ING HINT: CONTROL = BAD ENDING".
Amazing that people who couldn't pick up on that still accuse bioware's writers of being unintelligent...

I'm curious, do you think the rage gamers will eventually calm down and start Actually looking at the endings from a standpoint other than "Bioware's Lazy!" etc? And if they do, I wonder if they'll see Indoctrination Theory as plausible or something else entirely....

Hard to say. Remember that in all aspects of life, the more attention something gets, the more haters it draws. Some of the hate is a legit concern, some of it is just for the sake of hate, or otherwise. No matter how brilliantly Bioware pulls it off, there will be a vocal minority that will take issue with it. Not much can be done about that. 

Pride, envy, blind conviction. These traits are akin to, and can mutate into, fanaticism, albeit the end results aren't always alike.

Nonetheless, we ourselves must be ready to brace for the potential that we are wrong, lest we be no better in the end.

[gunslinger_ruiz]

Auralius Carolus wrote...

*snip*


Pride, envy, blind conviction. These traits are akin to, and can mutate into, fanaticism, albeit the end results aren't always alike.

Nonetheless, we ourselves must be ready to brace for the potential that we are wrong, lest we be no better in the end.

Oh I'm always ready to be wrong . While the Indoctrination Theory seems highly plausible, almost to the point of being confirmed, there's still the very real possibility it isn't any part of Bioware's plans and we just happened to link so many things to it by coincidence. We may be wrong about a lot of it, or all of it, but I think we're at least right in thinking that Bioware isn't  finished with Shepard's story just yet due to the "breath scene".

[gunslinger_ruiz]

Off topic, I just heard those "nightmare whispers" in a LMFAO music video.... I think I've had too much IT for one night, but oh well.

[OneWithTheAssassins]

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

Auralius Carolus wrote...

*snip*


Pride, envy, blind conviction. These traits are akin to, and can mutate into, fanaticism, albeit the end results aren't always alike.

Nonetheless, we ourselves must be ready to brace for the potential that we are wrong, lest we be no better in the end.

Oh I'm always ready to be wrong . While the Indoctrination Theory seems highly plausible, almost to the point of being confirmed, there's still the very real possibility it isn't any part of Bioware's plans and we just happened to link so many things to it by coincidence. We may be wrong about a lot of it, or all of it, but I think we're at least right in thinking that Bioware isn't  finished with Shepard's story just yet due to the "breath scene".

Bioware isn't stupid enough to leave the game as it is with all the evidence and in-game hints from text and ncps thats one step away from slapping us in the face with it.

[TSA_383]

What I would like to do, if at all possible, is this:
Create some sort of space for us here to share save files, ideas, screenshots etc, and also a page that presents, in some concise format, all the material that we deem to be of particular merit, so that people who wonder what the theory is all about aren't met with twenty pages of speculation on tree reflections.

I have a 100mbit server I'm not using to anything remotely approaching its upper limits, so if anyone's particularly interested then that's available.

[DirtyPhoenix]

OneWithTheAssassins wrote...

I've been wondering what the reaction from that fan base would be if the EC ended up being the IT. Will all us believers jump up and shout "We told you so!" to the IT haters? How will they react? Will they cry fowl and how stupid Bioware is for using a fan made ending? What if Bioware says it was there plan all along and we were right? I think the IT haters would just plain out commit suicide.

Nah then they will have a new excuse (they are already using it): Bioware shipped an incomplete game.

[gunslinger_ruiz]

OneWithTheAssassins wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

Auralius Carolus wrote...

*snip*


Pride, envy, blind conviction. These traits are akin to, and can mutate into, fanaticism, albeit the end results aren't always alike.

Nonetheless, we ourselves must be ready to brace for the potential that we are wrong, lest we be no better in the end.

Oh I'm always ready to be wrong . While the Indoctrination Theory seems highly plausible, almost to the point of being confirmed, there's still the very real possibility it isn't any part of Bioware's plans and we just happened to link so many things to it by coincidence. We may be wrong about a lot of it, or all of it, but I think we're at least right in thinking that Bioware isn't  finished with Shepard's story just yet due to the "breath scene".

Bioware isn't stupid enough to leave the game as it is with all the evidence and in-game hints from text and ncps thats one step away from slapping us in the face with it.

I'm more in favor of them actually slapping us in the face with it, it would have at least cut this backlash wave in half. Either way, we'll see one way or another in EC. I'm predicting a June release date...I forget who said it but someone mention Bioware asking EA for more time, 6 months, and instead only got 3. So 3 months from launch we might see it, June 5th maybe 6th. Or who knows, maybe the end of this month.

[Auralius Carolus]

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

Auralius Carolus wrote...

*snip*


Pride, envy, blind conviction. These traits are akin to, and can mutate into, fanaticism, albeit the end results aren't always alike.

Nonetheless, we ourselves must be ready to brace for the potential that we are wrong, lest we be no better in the end.

Oh I'm always ready to be wrong . While the Indoctrination Theory seems highly plausible, almost to the point of being confirmed, there's still the very real possibility it isn't any part of Bioware's plans and we just happened to link so many things to it by coincidence. We may be wrong about a lot of it, or all of it, but I think we're at least right in thinking that Bioware isn't  finished with Shepard's story just yet due to the "breath scene".

Agreed. While I do get the distinct impression that ME3 was rushed and has some very poor elements, (over two-dozen shallow fetch quests???), the designers showed a considerable understanding of what they did right. The nature of EMF/IS/US exposure symptoms, astonomy, etc. The only times they really broke from any of that was for cinematic display. And interestingly, in spite of the dramatic shift of ME toward an action/shooter, most IT clues are borne of the lore and the aforementioned understanding of core elements.

[DirtyPhoenix]

TSA_383 wrote...

What I would like to do, if at all possible, is this:
Create some sort of space for us here to share save files, ideas, screenshots etc, and also a page that presents, in some concise format, all the material that we deem to be of particular merit, so that people who wonder what the theory is all about aren't met with twenty pages of speculation on tree reflections.

I have a 100mbit server I'm not using to anything remotely approaching its upper limits, so if anyone's particularly interested then that's available.

That's an excellent idea! I'm ready to do whatever I can

[gunslinger_ruiz]

TSA_383 wrote...

What I would like to do, if at all possible, is this:
Create some sort of space for us here to share save files, ideas, screenshots etc, and also a page that presents, in some concise format, all the material that we deem to be of particular merit, so that people who wonder what the theory is all about aren't met with twenty pages of speculation on tree reflections.

I have a 100mbit server I'm not using to anything remotely approaching its upper limits, so if anyone's particularly interested then that's available.

Are we talking about posting things like quick records of in game quotes and events? I can contribute my brightened Shepard's Breath if that's the case, cept I'm having trouble emailing it to anyone (youtube doesn't retain it's quality) since it's larger than 25MB. Or do you mean quotes and such in document format? I've got a few of those too, mostly just used to gather my thoughts on the subject.

[Bill Casey]

OneWithTheAssassins wrote...

I've been wondering what the reaction from that fan base would be if the EC ended up being the IT. Will all us believers jump up and shout "We told you so!" to the IT haters?

Yep...

How will they react? Will they cry fowl and how stupid Bioware is for using a fan made ending?

Yep...

I think the IT haters would just plain out commit suicide.

Hey, that's not cool...
FFS, they disagree with us over art interpretation...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 13 mai 2012 - 06:57 .

[Auralius Carolus]

TSA_383 wrote...

What I would like to do, if at all possible, is this:
Create some sort of space for us here to share save files, ideas, screenshots etc, and also a page that presents, in some concise format, all the material that we deem to be of particular merit, so that people who wonder what the theory is all about aren't met with twenty pages of speculation on tree reflections.

I have a 100mbit server I'm not using to anything remotely approaching its upper limits, so if anyone's particularly interested then that's available.

I don't know how well that will work, but we do need to recompile and reanalyze the validity of information present.

While that "Documentary" may have been an admirable attempt at sifting through an analyzing IT developments for the layperson, it hardly touches, (and certainly not objectively), the surface of the IT pile of potential evidence.

[gunslinger_ruiz]

Auralius Carolus wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

What I would like to do, if at all possible, is this:
Create some sort of space for us here to share save files, ideas, screenshots etc, and also a page that presents, in some concise format, all the material that we deem to be of particular merit, so that people who wonder what the theory is all about aren't met with twenty pages of speculation on tree reflections.

I have a 100mbit server I'm not using to anything remotely approaching its upper limits, so if anyone's particularly interested then that's available.

I don't know how well that will work, but we do need to recompile and reanalyze the validity of information present.

While that "Documentary" may have been an admirable attempt at sifting through an analyzing IT developments for the layperson, it hardly touches, (and certainly not objectively), the surface of the IT pile of potential evidence.

Ah, speaking of piles, I was playing one of my broshep's earlier, still in ME2 but got to the Collectory Ship. I was looking around and felt a sense of familiarity with certain portions, a lot of it looked similar to Prothean tech/arcitechture.

But more importantly, I noticed Ashley's armored bodies laying in some of the body piles. Most of the other bodies were wearing civilian clothing or some kind of generic green armor, but Ash's armor white and light red was hard to miss and there was even one without a head. So, yeah, Bioware probably reused that paticular asset, BUT fun fact, no matter how hard I looked I couldn't find a Kaiden armored body in the whole ship. Hm, I wonder though, Ash was alive in this file, if Kaiden was would I have seen the Kaiden armor asset in place? Hmm. Tests.

Modifié par gunslinger_ruiz, 13 mai 2012 - 07:01 .

[OneWithTheAssassins]

pirate1802 wrote...

Nah then they will have a new excuse (they are already using it): Bioware shipped an incomplete game.

Have they said that?