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Rosewind wrote...

*Chirp Chirp*


Sometimes I think that we need the I.T. critics to come in just to keep us on our toes. It's troll city outside the walls of this forum, it's like walking into an apocolyptic wasteland where everyone want's to reap you.

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balance5050 wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

*Chirp Chirp*


Sometimes I think that we need the I.T. critics to come in just to keep us on our toes. It's troll city outside the walls of this forum, it's like walking into an apocolyptic wasteland where everyone want's to reap you.


*Gets her wraith ready*

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 I hate to be that person, but is anyone else a little uncomfortable calling the literal ending "face value"? On my first playthrough, before IT was called IT, I came to the conclusion that the ending was indoctrination based on tangible "face value" observations, like when Shepard woke up, I took that as "Oh, Shepard was unconscious on Earth that entire time," which... I can't really imagine how else we could possibly take that, unless it meant surviving re-entry, which we all know through precedence that Shepard can't survive re-entry, even had (s)he had a breather mask.

In fact, I feel as if it's less "face value" than IT. It seems more appropriate to call it Literal Theory, or Magic Theory. Then again, it's not so literal if they discredit Shepard even waking up. Perhaps it's unfair to label anyone's perception with anything, considering the ending was so vague and open-ended anyway. I wish this EC DLC would come out already, sheesh.


Cheers to that!

Although to my shame I didn't come to the exact same conclusion at 5 am in the morning. For me it was more like:
The Normandy crash and the squad stepping out was obviously a dream. Shepard waking up: my only thought was "oh Casey, you silly goose!"
When I came to the BSN and saw people ragin over the Normandy crash...let's say I'm happy I found this thread and it's regulars.

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Meatus wrote...

 I hate to be that person, but is anyone else a little uncomfortable calling the literal ending "face value"? On my first playthrough, before IT was called IT, I came to the conclusion that the ending was indoctrination based on tangible "face value" observations, like when Shepard woke up, I took that as "Oh, Shepard was unconscious on Earth that entire time," which... I can't really imagine how else we could possibly take that, unless it meant surviving re-entry, which we all know through precedence that Shepard can't survive re-entry, even had (s)he had a breather mask.

In fact, I feel as if it's less "face value" than IT. It seems more appropriate to call it Literal Theory, or Magic Theory. Then again, it's not so literal if they discredit Shepard even waking up. Perhaps it's unfair to label anyone's perception with anything, considering the ending was so vague and open-ended anyway. I wish this EC DLC would come out already, sheesh.


Cheers to that!

Although to my shame I didn't come to the exact same conclusion at 5 am in the morning. For me it was more like:
The Normandy crash and the squad stepping out was obviously a dream. Shepard waking up: my only thought was "oh Casey, you silly goose!"
When I came to the BSN and saw people ragin over the Normandy crash...let's say I'm happy I found this thread and it's regulars.


I thought there was something wrong with my choices so I came on here to look and that's where I found out the truth. I kinda felt like it was a anti climax lol.

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Anyone else find it odd that when you give the biotic stuff to that Salarian in Heurta Memorial it initiates a cut-scene of Shep walking in and looking at the window and then it finishes.

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MaximizedAction wrote...

Meatus wrote...

 I hate to be that person, but is anyone else a little uncomfortable calling the literal ending "face value"? On my first playthrough, before IT was called IT, I came to the conclusion that the ending was indoctrination based on tangible "face value" observations, like when Shepard woke up, I took that as "Oh, Shepard was unconscious on Earth that entire time," which... I can't really imagine how else we could possibly take that, unless it meant surviving re-entry, which we all know through precedence that Shepard can't survive re-entry, even had (s)he had a breather mask.

In fact, I feel as if it's less "face value" than IT. It seems more appropriate to call it Literal Theory, or Magic Theory. Then again, it's not so literal if they discredit Shepard even waking up. Perhaps it's unfair to label anyone's perception with anything, considering the ending was so vague and open-ended anyway. I wish this EC DLC would come out already, sheesh.


Cheers to that!
 Shepard waking up: my only thought was "oh Casey, you silly goose!"


I'm not entirely sure why, but I find the thought of you calling Casey Hudson a silly goose to be ridiculously hilarious.  Mind if I quote you in my sig?:D

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Big Bad wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

Meatus wrote...

 I hate to be that person, but is anyone else a little uncomfortable calling the literal ending "face value"? On my first playthrough, before IT was called IT, I came to the conclusion that the ending was indoctrination based on tangible "face value" observations, like when Shepard woke up, I took that as "Oh, Shepard was unconscious on Earth that entire time," which... I can't really imagine how else we could possibly take that, unless it meant surviving re-entry, which we all know through precedence that Shepard can't survive re-entry, even had (s)he had a breather mask.

In fact, I feel as if it's less "face value" than IT. It seems more appropriate to call it Literal Theory, or Magic Theory. Then again, it's not so literal if they discredit Shepard even waking up. Perhaps it's unfair to label anyone's perception with anything, considering the ending was so vague and open-ended anyway. I wish this EC DLC would come out already, sheesh.


Cheers to that!
 Shepard waking up: my only thought was "oh Casey, you silly goose!"


I'm not entirely sure why, but I find the thought of you calling Casey Hudson a silly goose to be ridiculously hilarious.  Mind if I quote you in my sig?:D


Sure! Imo nothing else left to think anyway if that's the first name you see after the breath...

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Rosewind wrote...

Anyone else find it odd that when you give the biotic stuff to that Salarian in Heurta Memorial it initiates a cut-scene of Shep walking in and looking at the window and then it finishes.


Yeah, I thought that was weird, too.

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Dwailing wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

Anyone else find it odd that when you give the biotic stuff to that Salarian in Heurta Memorial it initiates a cut-scene of Shep walking in and looking at the window and then it finishes.


Yeah, I thought that was weird, too.

Maybe it was cut content? Seems like there was meant to be somthing there.

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Rosewind wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

Anyone else find it odd that when you give the biotic stuff to that Salarian in Heurta Memorial it initiates a cut-scene of Shep walking in and looking at the window and then it finishes.


Yeah, I thought that was weird, too.

Maybe it was cut content? Seems like there was meant to be somthing there.


You know, I'm starting to wish that the EC would include more than just epilogue stuff.  I want them to bring back some of the cut stuff.

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Dwailing wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

Anyone else find it odd that when you give the biotic stuff to that Salarian in Heurta Memorial it initiates a cut-scene of Shep walking in and looking at the window and then it finishes.


Yeah, I thought that was weird, too.

Maybe it was cut content? Seems like there was meant to be somthing there.


You know, I'm starting to wish that the EC would include more than just epilogue stuff.  I want them to bring back some of the cut stuff.


I myself have started wondering recently, whether the trial wasn't in the intro so that it could somehow be implemented into post-ending DLC instead? Maybe Shepard will have to explain what he did after the beam run - whatever it was he really did?

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 13 mai 2012 - 05:27 .


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MaximizedAction wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

Anyone else find it odd that when you give the biotic stuff to that Salarian in Heurta Memorial it initiates a cut-scene of Shep walking in and looking at the window and then it finishes.


Yeah, I thought that was weird, too.

Maybe it was cut content? Seems like there was meant to be somthing there.


You know, I'm starting to wish that the EC would include more than just epilogue stuff.  I want them to bring back some of the cut stuff.


I myself have started wondering recently, whether the trial wasn't in the intro so that it could somehow be implemented into post-ending DLC instead? Maybe Shepard will have to explain what he did after the beam run - whatever it was he really did?


Good idea :c

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Hehehe still giggle every time I see the Salarian's faces when talking to Wrex on Sur'Kesh

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Rosewind wrote...

Hehehe still giggle every time I see the Salarian's faces when talking to Wrex on Sur'Kesh


Everything in ME3 involving Wrex or Grunt was badassfully entertaining!

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Dwailing wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

Anyone else find it odd that when you give the biotic stuff to that Salarian in Heurta Memorial it initiates a cut-scene of Shep walking in and looking at the window and then it finishes.


Yeah, I thought that was weird, too.


Which one exactly? I don't remember any cutscenes.. :o

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Rosewind wrote...

Hehehe still giggle every time I see the Salarian's faces when talking to Wrex on Sur'Kesh


Everything in ME3 involving Wrex or Grunt was badassfully entertaining!

Grunt is my baby :D he so adorable I get all gooey every time he does that laugh of his when he brutally maiming something.

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pirate1802 wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

Anyone else find it odd that when you give the biotic stuff to that Salarian in Heurta Memorial it initiates a cut-scene of Shep walking in and looking at the window and then it finishes.


Yeah, I thought that was weird, too.


Which one exactly? I don't remember any cutscenes.. :o


It's one those pick up the thing of a planet side quest. when you hand it in to the Salarian  across the room from as/kaidans rooms it initiates a cut-scene of a few second with half the dialogue being said.

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Rosewind wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

Hehehe still giggle every time I see the Salarian's faces when talking to Wrex on Sur'Kesh


Everything in ME3 involving Wrex or Grunt was badassfully entertaining!

Grunt is my baby :D he so adorable I get all gooey every time he does that laugh of his when he brutally maiming something.


Yeah, I don't get why people hate him, he's awesome.  And Wrex, Wrex is the closest anyone else has ever gotten to being Garrus Vakarian without actually BEING Garrus Vakarian.  Of course, as awesome as Garrus is, he's only the closest anyone's ever gotten to being Commander Shepard without... well, you know. 

Edit: Someone needs to create Commander Shepard facts that are like Garrus Vakarian facts only more awesome.

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Rosewind wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

Hehehe still giggle every time I see the Salarian's faces when talking to Wrex on Sur'Kesh


Everything in ME3 involving Wrex or Grunt was badassfully entertaining!

Grunt is my baby :D he so adorable I get all gooey every time he does that laugh of his when he brutally maiming something.



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Dwailing wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

Hehehe still giggle every time I see the Salarian's faces when talking to Wrex on Sur'Kesh


Everything in ME3 involving Wrex or Grunt was badassfully entertaining!

Grunt is my baby :D he so adorable I get all gooey every time he does that laugh of his when he brutally maiming something.


Yeah, I don't get why people hate him, he's awesome.  And Wrex, Wrex is the closest anyone else has ever gotten to being Garrus Vakarian without actually BEING Garrus Vakarian.  Of course, as awesome as Garrus is, he's only the closest anyone's ever gotten to being Commander Shepard without... well, you know. 


Yeah Grunt is Oghren i space lol (same VA and everything).

Garrus and Wrex in ME2 and ME3 is awesome they play off each other so well.

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Rosewind wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

Hehehe still giggle every time I see the Salarian's faces when talking to Wrex on Sur'Kesh


Everything in ME3 involving Wrex or Grunt was badassfully entertaining!

Grunt is my baby :D he so adorable I get all gooey every time he does that laugh of his when he brutally maiming something.


Yeah, I don't get why people hate him, he's awesome.  And Wrex, Wrex is the closest anyone else has ever gotten to being Garrus Vakarian without actually BEING Garrus Vakarian.  Of course, as awesome as Garrus is, he's only the closest anyone's ever gotten to being Commander Shepard without... well, you know. 


Yeah Grunt is Oghren i space lol (same VA and everything).

Garrus and Wrex in ME2 and ME3 is awesome they play off each other so well.



ME3 is so frakking awesome even if the endings are real.  Let's just hope that we get more single player DLC, it needs to be longer.

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Dwailing wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

Hehehe still giggle every time I see the Salarian's faces when talking to Wrex on Sur'Kesh


Everything in ME3 involving Wrex or Grunt was badassfully entertaining!

Grunt is my baby :D he so adorable I get all gooey every time he does that laugh of his when he brutally maiming something.


Yeah, I don't get why people hate him, he's awesome.  And Wrex, Wrex is the closest anyone else has ever gotten to being Garrus Vakarian without actually BEING Garrus Vakarian.  Of course, as awesome as Garrus is, he's only the closest anyone's ever gotten to being Commander Shepard without... well, you know. 


Yeah Grunt is Oghren i space lol (same VA and everything).

Garrus and Wrex in ME2 and ME3 is awesome they play off each other so well.



ME3 is so frakking awesome even if the endings are real.  Let's just hope that we get more single player DLC, it needs to be longer.


with 100% more Grunt and Zaeed and screwable vega.....

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I'm sorry, I've been lurking on this article since page 600 or so, but have probably missed things here and there. What is the possibility that ID took hold at the point where enter TIM's main room? Say the whole fight with Kei Lang is fake and everything from there on out was also under the influence.


Bumping my question since it may have gotten lost in the discussion.

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MaximizedAction wrote...

Cheers to that!

Although to my shame I didn't come to the exact same conclusion at 5 am in the morning. For me it was more like:
The Normandy crash and the squad stepping out was obviously a dream. Shepard waking up: my only thought was "oh Casey, you silly goose!"
When I came to the BSN and saw people ragin over the Normandy crash...let's say I'm happy I found this thread and it's regulars.

 

I was suspecting that indoctrination might play a role in ME3 involving either Shepard or the crew, due to some of the conversations I had (mostly with Javik) and some other clues. A lot of things towards the end seemed "off", but it wasn't until I found this thread that piecing them together made more sense. Even found a lot of compelling stuff that I missed in my first playthrough.

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Yeah, I don't get why people hate him, he's awesome.  And Wrex, Wrex is the closest anyone else has ever gotten to being Garrus Vakarian without actually BEING Garrus Vakarian.  Of course, as awesome as Garrus is, he's only the closest anyone's ever gotten to being Commander Shepard without... well, you know. 

Edit: Someone needs to create Commander Shepard facts that are like Garrus Vakarian facts only more awesome.


I don't hate Grunt, he just gave me the feeling of "almost-but-not-quite-Wrex" when I met him in ME2. Garrus though... There's no Shepard without Vakarian.

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CavemanLog wrote...

CavemanLog wrote...

I'm sorry, I've been lurking on this article since page 600 or so, but have probably missed things here and there. What is the possibility that ID took hold at the point where enter TIM's main room? Say the whole fight with Kei Lang is fake and everything from there on out was also under the influence.


Bumping my question since it may have gotten lost in the discussion.


I dont think there is a situation for shep to lose his/her will enough for it to happen at Chronos station. Unlike being hit by the the been or with the new theory of the shuttle ride with coates there are things that can happen to him/her to lose consciousness enough for the reapers to take hold.