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Have fun!

BTW, EDI has indoctrinated eyes.

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"you just keep trying till you run out of cake"

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"The cake is a lie!" Image IPB

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paxxton wrote...

"The cake is a lie!"


"There is science till be done and you make a neat gun for the people who are still alive"

Man I wish Valve hurry up and make Half Life 3, I WANT MY FREEMAN AND BARNEY!!!

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Dwailing wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

Hehehe still giggle every time I see the Salarian's faces when talking to Wrex on Sur'Kesh


Everything in ME3 involving Wrex or Grunt was badassfully entertaining!

Grunt is my baby :D he so adorable I get all gooey every time he does that laugh of his when he brutally maiming something.


Yeah, I don't get why people hate him, he's awesome.  And Wrex, Wrex is the closest anyone else has ever gotten to being Garrus Vakarian without actually BEING Garrus Vakarian.  Of course, as awesome as Garrus is, he's only the closest anyone's ever gotten to being Commander Shepard without... well, you know. 


Yeah Grunt is Oghren i space lol (same VA and everything).

Garrus and Wrex in ME2 and ME3 is awesome they play off each other so well.



ME3 is so frakking awesome even if the endings are real.  Let's just hope that we get more single player DLC, it needs to be longer.


You know what would make it more awesome (apart from the ending fix)? Add omega! Purgatory was nice but no match to afterlife. And add its music to shep's cabin. In ME1 I used to stand in the cabin listening to afterlife music, and another track which i don't remember 9it waas from ME1). can't those tracks be modded into ME3? :(

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OK. Like many of you, I thought the ending to Mass Effect (3) was horrible! But... after watching this, I believe that it is actually an AMAZING ending... wow... never thought I would say that. Bioware should give this guy a PR job.

This is a Long video, 1hr24min, but for closure on a game that you've spent days (literally) playing, it is a worth-while watch, I promise!



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Rosewind wrote...

paxxton wrote...

"The cake is a lie!"


"There is science till be done and you make a neat gun for the people who are still alive"

Man I wish Valve hurry up and make Half Life 3, I WANT MY FREEMAN AND BARNEY!!!

"There's research to be done.
On the people who are still alive." Image IPB

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I'm sorry, I've been lurking on this article since page 600 or so, but have probably missed things here and there. What is the possibility that ID took hold at the point where enter TIM's main room? Say the whole fight with Kei Lang is fake and everything from there on out was also under the influence.


Bumping my question since it may have gotten lost in the discussion.


I dont think there is a situation for shep to lose his/her will enough for it to happen at Chronos station. Unlike being hit by the the been or with the new theory of the shuttle ride with coates there are things that can happen to him/her to lose consciousness enough for the reapers to take hold.


I just wonder if the Chronos station was in fact a trap for Shepard, set my TIM, to try and get control of Shepard. Maybe to keep her/him from interrupting his ultimate plan of controlling the reapers. 

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CavemanLog wrote...

CavemanLog wrote...

I'm sorry, I've been lurking on this article since page 600 or so, but have probably missed things here and there. What is the possibility that ID took hold at the point where enter TIM's main room? Say the whole fight with Kei Lang is fake and everything from there on out was also under the influence.


Bumping my question since it may have gotten lost in the discussion.

That would be great in some ways, it would mean the pants-on-head-retarded death scene of Kai-Leng was just a warped image in Shep's head :) and they potentially get a mulligan on the London mission.
I reckon Shepard's close proximity to the Reaper heart/brain could back up this idea.

Personally I think not though, consider how dreamy and other-wordly everything after Harbinger's beam felt, and we got such a clear cue to it beginning, for my money Shepard is still in the "suggestive thoughts" part of indoctrination up until the beam (with 1 or 2 mild hallucinations thrown in here and there ofc)

Modifié par Nauks, 13 mai 2012 - 06:17 .


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CavemanLog wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

CavemanLog wrote...

CavemanLog wrote...

I'm sorry, I've been lurking on this article since page 600 or so, but have probably missed things here and there. What is the possibility that ID took hold at the point where enter TIM's main room? Say the whole fight with Kei Lang is fake and everything from there on out was also under the influence.


Bumping my question since it may have gotten lost in the discussion.


I dont think there is a situation for shep to lose his/her will enough for it to happen at Chronos station. Unlike being hit by the the been or with the new theory of the shuttle ride with coates there are things that can happen to him/her to lose consciousness enough for the reapers to take hold.


I just wonder if the Chronos station was in fact a trap for Shepard, set my TIM, to try and get control of Shepard. Maybe to keep her/him from interrupting his ultimate plan of controlling the reapers. 


Forgot to add, the room she/he entered was a "focus point" of the ID signal too. The station did have reaper tech in it.

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CavemanLog wrote...

CavemanLog wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

CavemanLog wrote...

CavemanLog wrote...

I'm sorry, I've been lurking on this article since page 600 or so, but have probably missed things here and there. What is the possibility that ID took hold at the point where enter TIM's main room? Say the whole fight with Kei Lang is fake and everything from there on out was also under the influence.


Bumping my question since it may have gotten lost in the discussion.


I dont think there is a situation for shep to lose his/her will enough for it to happen at Chronos station. Unlike being hit by the the been or with the new theory of the shuttle ride with coates there are things that can happen to him/her to lose consciousness enough for the reapers to take hold.


I just wonder if the Chronos station was in fact a trap for Shepard, set my TIM, to try and get control of Shepard. Maybe to keep her/him from interrupting his ultimate plan of controlling the reapers. 


Forgot to add, the room she/he entered was a "focus point" of the ID signal too. The station did have reaper tech in it.


It was a trap I think it was just mean to distract Shepard and let TIM get away to the reapers

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CavemanLog wrote...

CavemanLog wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

CavemanLog wrote...

CavemanLog wrote...

I'm sorry, I've been lurking on this article since page 600 or so, but have probably missed things here and there. What is the possibility that ID took hold at the point where enter TIM's main room? Say the whole fight with Kei Lang is fake and everything from there on out was also under the influence.


Bumping my question since it may have gotten lost in the discussion.


I dont think there is a situation for shep to lose his/her will enough for it to happen at Chronos station. Unlike being hit by the the been or with the new theory of the shuttle ride with coates there are things that can happen to him/her to lose consciousness enough for the reapers to take hold.


I just wonder if the Chronos station was in fact a trap for Shepard, set my TIM, to try and get control of Shepard. Maybe to keep her/him from interrupting his ultimate plan of controlling the reapers. 


Forgot to add, the room she/he entered was a "focus point" of the ID signal too. The station did have reaper tech in it.


Funny that the final three rooms you encounter on Cronos station are coloured blue, green, red lol.

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pirate1802 wrote...

CavemanLog wrote...

CavemanLog wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

CavemanLog wrote...

CavemanLog wrote...

I'm sorry, I've been lurking on this article since page 600 or so, but have probably missed things here and there. What is the possibility that ID took hold at the point where enter TIM's main room? Say the whole fight with Kei Lang is fake and everything from there on out was also under the influence.


Bumping my question since it may have gotten lost in the discussion.


I dont think there is a situation for shep to lose his/her will enough for it to happen at Chronos station. Unlike being hit by the the been or with the new theory of the shuttle ride with coates there are things that can happen to him/her to lose consciousness enough for the reapers to take hold.


I just wonder if the Chronos station was in fact a trap for Shepard, set my TIM, to try and get control of Shepard. Maybe to keep her/him from interrupting his ultimate plan of controlling the reapers. 


Forgot to add, the room she/he entered was a "focus point" of the ID signal too. The station did have reaper tech in it.


Funny that the final three rooms you encounter on Cronos station are coloured blue, green, red lol.



Oh hey now that I think about it your right lol.

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Rosewind wrote...


I dont think there is a situation for shep to lose his/her will enough for it to happen at Chronos station. Unlike being hit by the the been or with the new theory of the shuttle ride with coates there are things that can happen to him/her to lose consciousness enough for the reapers to take hold.

Seeing Shep that angry after the Thessia Mission made me think she/he was going nuts... But it was a normal reaction since the space Ninja escaped once again, this time with the Prothean data, and that it was the first big failure of Shep in a mission since ME1... He found his willpower again on the Chronos Station, but was a troubled by the vids of his/her resurrection and discovering he was toyed by TIM (ME2 squadmates, familiar faces and so on..) Who wouldn't be ?
At the end of the Chronos Mission, Shep finds out that TIM's one step ahead again (and when we add the Cerberus Coup  and Thessia, it begins to be a little too much), the Citadel was moved to Earth and protected by the Reapers. I can understand the rage he/she could feel at this point. His/her willpower was not weakened, but I think he was starting to go on "An end once and for all, as quick as possible"-mode, an impatience which could help greatly for Indoctrination.
Major Coates is IMO a mole, but I don't think the indoctrination started in the shuttle. Shep's mind was still strong and he didn't face a despair like he could have felt after seeing Hammer being wiped out during the final assault and himself hurt by Harby's beam.
If there is question where the indoctrination's final push really began, it would be either right after being hit (directly or indirectly) by the laser beam or on the Citadel... But I think this was already answered.

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OK. Like many of you, I thought the ending to Mass Effect (3) was horrible! But... after watching this, I believe that it is actually an AMAZING ending... wow... never thought I would say that. Bioware should give this guy a PR job.

This is a Long video, 1hr24min, but for closure on a game that you've spent days (literally) playing, it is a worth-while watch, I promise!

Definitely.

I attribute the I.T. (and this here thread particularly - see my sig) to finding a way back into the game, not simply overcoming the seemingly indefensible let-down of the ending and wanting to play it again, but finding out there was something even greater underneath everything (that gives the game actual replay value, whereas I found none before.)

Even if the I.T. is just a pipe dream, I've had 2 playthroughs of ME3 after beating it the first time, playing under the premise of the I.T. (+ the Crucible is a Reaper trap) and it's an amazing journey, I could even bury the game with a sense of fullfillment if they ultimately denied I.T.

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Rosewind wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...

CavemanLog wrote...

CavemanLog wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

CavemanLog wrote...

CavemanLog wrote...

I'm sorry, I've been lurking on this article since page 600 or so, but have probably missed things here and there. What is the possibility that ID took hold at the point where enter TIM's main room? Say the whole fight with Kei Lang is fake and everything from there on out was also under the influence.


Bumping my question since it may have gotten lost in the discussion.


I dont think there is a situation for shep to lose his/her will enough for it to happen at Chronos station. Unlike being hit by the the been or with the new theory of the shuttle ride with coates there are things that can happen to him/her to lose consciousness enough for the reapers to take hold.


I just wonder if the Chronos station was in fact a trap for Shepard, set my TIM, to try and get control of Shepard. Maybe to keep her/him from interrupting his ultimate plan of controlling the reapers. 


Forgot to add, the room she/he entered was a "focus point" of the ID signal too. The station did have reaper tech in it.


Funny that the final three rooms you encounter on Cronos station are coloured blue, green, red lol.



Oh hey now that I think about it your right lol.


Damn Mass Effect, i see RGB everywhere now :@

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Uncle Jo wrote...

Rosewind wrote...


I dont think there is a situation for shep to lose his/her will enough for it to happen at Chronos station. Unlike being hit by the the been or with the new theory of the shuttle ride with coates there are things that can happen to him/her to lose consciousness enough for the reapers to take hold.

Seeing Shep that angry after the Thessia made me think she/he was going nuts... But it was a normal reaction since the space Ninja escaped once again, this time with the Prothean data, and that it was the first big failure of Shep in a mission since ME1... He found his willpower again on the Chronos Station, but was a troubled by the vids of his/her resurrection and discovering he was toyed by TIM (ME" squadmates, familiar faces and so on..) Who wouldn't be ?
At the end of the Chronos Mission, Shep finds out that TIM's one step ahead again (and when we add the Cerberus Coup  and Thessia, it begins to be a little too much), the Citadel was moved to Earth and protected by the Reapers. I can understand the rage he/she could feel at this point. His/her willpower was not weakened, but I think he was starting to go on "An end once and for all, as quick as possible"-mode, an impatience which could help greatly for Indoctrination.
Major Coates is IMO a mole, but I don't think the indoctrination started in the shuttle. Shep's mind was still strong and he didn't faced a despair like he could have felt after seeing Hammer being wiped out during the final assault and himself hurt by Harby's beam.
If there is question where the indoctrination's final push really began, it would be either right after being hit (directly or indirectly) by the laser beam or on the Citadel... But I think this was already answered.



On Cronos Station Shepard even says that he's unsure whether he is himself or a VI that thinks it is Shepard.

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pirate1802 wrote...

CavemanLog wrote...

CavemanLog wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

CavemanLog wrote...

CavemanLog wrote...

I'm sorry, I've been lurking on this article since page 600 or so, but have probably missed things here and there. What is the possibility that ID took hold at the point where enter TIM's main room? Say the whole fight with Kei Lang is fake and everything from there on out was also under the influence.


Bumping my question since it may have gotten lost in the discussion.


I dont think there is a situation for shep to lose his/her will enough for it to happen at Chronos station. Unlike being hit by the the been or with the new theory of the shuttle ride with coates there are things that can happen to him/her to lose consciousness enough for the reapers to take hold.


I just wonder if the Chronos station was in fact a trap for Shepard, set my TIM, to try and get control of Shepard. Maybe to keep her/him from interrupting his ultimate plan of controlling the reapers. 


Forgot to add, the room she/he entered was a "focus point" of the ID signal too. The station did have reaper tech in it.


Funny that the final three rooms you encounter on Cronos station are coloured blue, green, red lol.




O', how haveth thee made my mind blown!
But where is the green part?

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Totally agree about the EC, make it more than just epilogue content. Hell I'll happily wait until next March if it meant a full fledged expansion pack

(I did try to quote a previous pos but my iPad screwd up the formatting

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paxxton wrote...

Uncle Jo wrote...

Rosewind wrote...


I dont think there is a situation for shep to lose his/her will enough for it to happen at Chronos station. Unlike being hit by the the been or with the new theory of the shuttle ride with coates there are things that can happen to him/her to lose consciousness enough for the reapers to take hold.

Seeing Shep that angry after the Thessia made me think she/he was going nuts... But it was a normal reaction since the space Ninja escaped once again, this time with the Prothean data, and that it was the first big failure of Shep in a mission since ME1... He found his willpower again on the Chronos Station, but was a troubled by the vids of his/her resurrection and discovering he was toyed by TIM (ME" squadmates, familiar faces and so on..) Who wouldn't be ?
At the end of the Chronos Mission, Shep finds out that TIM's one step ahead again (and when we add the Cerberus Coup  and Thessia, it begins to be a little too much), the Citadel was moved to Earth and protected by the Reapers. I can understand the rage he/she could feel at this point. His/her willpower was not weakened, but I think he was starting to go on "An end once and for all, as quick as possible"-mode, an impatience which could help greatly for Indoctrination.
Major Coates is IMO a mole, but I don't think the indoctrination started in the shuttle. Shep's mind was still strong and he didn't faced a despair like he could have felt after seeing Hammer being wiped out during the final assault and himself hurt by Harby's beam.
If there is question where the indoctrination's final push really began, it would be either right after being hit (directly or indirectly) by the laser beam or on the Citadel... But I think this was already answered.



On Cronos Station Shepard even says that he's unsure whether he is himself or a VI that thinks it is Shepard.


That dosen't make sense to me that bit if she was a VI I am pretty sure some one would of noticed it by now wouldn't Dr. Chakwas notice something was wrong with shep.

Edit: In fact you havea  convo about it with EDI, she resure Shep that all her brain functions are organic.

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bigstig wrote...

Totally agree about the EC, make it more than just epilogue content. Hell I'll happily wait until next March if it meant a full fledged expansion pack



Oh, I'm sure that it's more than just epilogue, trust me. One does not simply use 3 months, if not more, to jsut write some epilogue and a few additional cutscenes...

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estebanus wrote...

bigstig wrote...

Totally agree about the EC, make it more than just epilogue content. Hell I'll happily wait until next March if it meant a full fledged expansion pack



Oh, I'm sure that it's more than just epilogue, trust me. One does not simply use 3 months, if not more, to jsut write some epilogue and a few additional cutscenes...


...and had incredible additional stuff that would make us "hold on to our copies forever".

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Rosewind wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Uncle Jo wrote...

Rosewind wrote...


I dont think there is a situation for shep to lose his/her will enough for it to happen at Chronos station. Unlike being hit by the the been or with the new theory of the shuttle ride with coates there are things that can happen to him/her to lose consciousness enough for the reapers to take hold.

Seeing Shep that angry after the Thessia made me think she/he was going nuts... But it was a normal reaction since the space Ninja escaped once again, this time with the Prothean data, and that it was the first big failure of Shep in a mission since ME1... He found his willpower again on the Chronos Station, but was a troubled by the vids of his/her resurrection and discovering he was toyed by TIM (ME" squadmates, familiar faces and so on..) Who wouldn't be ?
At the end of the Chronos Mission, Shep finds out that TIM's one step ahead again (and when we add the Cerberus Coup  and Thessia, it begins to be a little too much), the Citadel was moved to Earth and protected by the Reapers. I can understand the rage he/she could feel at this point. His/her willpower was not weakened, but I think he was starting to go on "An end once and for all, as quick as possible"-mode, an impatience which could help greatly for Indoctrination.
Major Coates is IMO a mole, but I don't think the indoctrination started in the shuttle. Shep's mind was still strong and he didn't faced a despair like he could have felt after seeing Hammer being wiped out during the final assault and himself hurt by Harby's beam.
If there is question where the indoctrination's final push really began, it would be either right after being hit (directly or indirectly) by the laser beam or on the Citadel... But I think this was already answered.



On Cronos Station Shepard even says that he's unsure whether he is himself or a VI that thinks it is Shepard.


That dosen't make sense to me that bit if she was a VI I am pretty sure some one would of noticed it by now wouldn't Dr. Chakwas notice something was wrong with shep.

Dr. Chakwas is too occupied with brandy. Image IPB But seriously, she isn't omnipotent.

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Rosewind wrote...


That dosen't make sense to me that bit if she was a VI I am pretty sure some one would of noticed it by now wouldn't Dr. Chakwas notice something was wrong with shep.

She isn't. But finding out that merely her brain was intact and that she was a pile of minced flesh before some doctors patch her up adding some synthetic implants in the process, was quite a shock. Doubting being a human in such a situation is legitimate.

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estebanus wrote...

bigstig wrote...

Totally agree about the EC, make it more than just epilogue content. Hell I'll happily wait until next March if it meant a full fledged expansion pack



Oh, I'm sure that it's more than just epilogue, trust me. One does not simply use 3 months, if not more, to jsut write some epilogue and a few additional cutscenes...


One does not simply walk into Mordor the Citadel!

Image IPB

Modifié par Big Bad, 13 mai 2012 - 06:54 .