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Rompa87-2

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Is there a public holiday in Canada today? Can't really see much activity from any BW employees on the forums?

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Richard STIHL wrote...

sorry, english is my first language but i suck at and i dont care

1. endings leaked- bw came up with this little indoctrination ending to compensate

2. bw released space edition knowing people would blab. real ending coming so everyone would get it at the sametime (what a genius way to end a truly epis story like mass effest)

3. casey hudson said hold on to your saves. ending expansion pack (DA:O awakining style)

4. read the codex on indoctrination

5. infinite bullets

6. shepard waking up on earth

7. squad mates teleporting unharmed onto a normandy getting ready to jump through a relay

8. destroy being the renagede option (In dreams everthing is reversed.... also kinda explains 1m1)

9. gambles post about this being the hardest day ever.

10. guide book talks about secret ending possibly taken out. only to be given to us later.

11. kid dissapearing after you destroy

12. vega talking about humming

13. allmost killing virmire survivor

14. reapers hate you why would they tell you the truth. Read the art of war.

15. little kid is the catylist

16. EA likes money

17. trees magically appearing

18. sheps voiced under little boys

19. shep does not have a breathing mask on ( in mass effet 1 when your elevetor stops shep says "suit up" then you fight up the citidel tower

19.5 little kid smirks at you when you choos merge or control

20. EA aka rEApers like money


im not grasping at straws. more like grasping at pen15es

add if you have anyhting


21. God Kid only says "Wake Up" in a diferent tone if you have enough points for surviving the Destroy ending

22. God Kid speaks with both male & female sheps voice

I also have some pretty monor ones, like:

23. all bodies on the cidadel have a weird blank face
 
24. The way Anderson talks after you reach the cidadel is really weird too, one example is something like this:

Anderson: This looks like the collector's base from your descriptions!
Shep: Makes sense.

only it really...doesnt, i mean its the cidadel! when i first played (i didint knew this theory) this line really bother me, i was like: wtf shepard said that!?

Like i said, minor stuff

Modifié par 2_BR4ZIL_2, 13 mars 2012 - 01:05 .


#5653
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Geth do not infiltrate 

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Fledgey wrote...

Alright I posted this a minute ago but everybody ignored it. Saren's speech in mass effect 1 mirrors the "Synthesis" ending perfectly just as TIM's speech mirrors "Control". Here's saren's speech:
"The relationship is symbiotic. Organic and machine intertwined. A union of flesh and steel. The strengths of both, and the weaknesses of neither. I am a vision of the future, Shepard. The evolution of all organic life. This is our destiny. Join Sovereign and experience a true rebirth."



That does fit remarkably well with the synth ending. Good memory on saren's speech :).

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Rompa87-2 wrote...

Is there a public holiday in Canada today? Can't really see much activity from any BW employees on the forums?


Nope- today is a regular day

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Again what if the true ending is on the disk and we can't access it until the appointed time? Has anyone tried changing the clocks of their devices to check?

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rogueagent6 wrote...

MordiMoro wrote...

Ok... but the ending? Posted Image


It's not the end if you make the correct choice.


Cut because the game was not ready, or ME4? Posted Image

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vrumpt wrote...

FrostByte-GER wrote...

Also...has anybody noticed, that the godchild says "wake up" only on high ems scores? I heared in my ending(3000ems) "Why are you here" there was no "wake up". Now I watched the best ending on YT. The child says "wake up".

But now, watch this: www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlyGL9Cqsxw#t=08m40s
And compare it with this vid:

Heared it? Another proof for the indoctrination theory!!!


WoW! I was kinda wary on the indoctrination theory up until this point.  Until now I was just taking everything as an unfortunate coincidence at the fault of bad writing.   This is pretty significant evidence though.  If we can get a confirmation that "wake up" only happens with high enough EMS score then this theory is as good as proved.


I'll try it tomorrow(ah I mean today xD) after school. Now its too late to experiment with this EMS hack...
I sent an PM to byne too with this information. Stay tuned :D

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OK, suppose indoctrination is correct, how does the stargazer scene fit into it? What is the purpose of it? I want to believe but this makes no sense to me.

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Rompa87-2

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Miss Vader wrote...

Rompa87-2 wrote...

Is there a public holiday in Canada today? Can't really see much activity from any BW employees on the forums?


Nope- today is a regular day


I see :mellow:

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byne wrote...

Ok, just finished my Insanity playthrough, and I noticed a few things I didnt notice before:

1) When you first arrive on the Citadel after the beam hits you, when you talk to Anderson over the radio, Shepard never puts her hand to her ear like she does every other time she's talked on the radio before. She also doesnt do it when talking to Hackett

2) If you look at the background while talking with TIM, you can see cars moving and stuff in the background, like people are just going about their regular day inside a Reaper controlled Citadel orbiting Earth. You think they'd try to leave, or hide, or something.

Those two I admit dont really prove anything, but the third one is what interested me:

3) When Shepard takes her breath in the living ending, it doesnt seem like the 'Oh god I'm near death' gasping for breath you'd expect. It sounds a whole lot more like the surprised gasp she makes whenever she wakes up from the kid nightmares.


I never notived that Shepard doesn't but their hand to their ear to talk to Anderson and Hackett, and again with the surprised gasp, nice catch.

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One thing I'd like to add.

At the Catalyst you can see that TIM chose for Control and Anderson chose for Destroy.
Which would make sense because, TIM seems Indoctrinated at the Citadel Console and Anderson is still the same.

That would equal;
TIM = Indoctrinated = Control = Shepard Indoctrinated/Fails
Anderson = Normal = Destroy = Shepard Wins

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Fledgey wrote...

Alright I posted this a minute ago but everybody ignored it. Saren's speech in mass effect 1 mirrors the "Synthesis" ending perfectly just as TIM's speech mirrors "Control". Here's saren's speech:
"The relationship is symbiotic. Organic and machine intertwined. A union of flesh and steel. The strengths of both, and the weaknesses of neither. I am a vision of the future, Shepard. The evolution of all organic life. This is our destiny. Join Sovereign and experience a true rebirth."


Right, that's why choosing synthesis is seen as losing your resolve as well.
Someone said this earlier:
Control- You become The Illusive Man
Synthesize- You become Saren
Destroy- You remain Shepard

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Kumekerion wrote...

Again what if the true ending is on the disk and we can't access it until the appointed time? Has anyone tried changing the clocks of their devices to check?

I could check right now, though I don't know how I'd check something like that.

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Rompa87-2 wrote...

Miss Vader wrote...

Rompa87-2 wrote...

Is there a public holiday in Canada today? Can't really see much activity from any BW employees on the forums?


Nope- today is a regular day


I see :mellow:


well it is the march break:)

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Deltateam Elcor wrote...

vrumpt wrote...

FrostByte-GER wrote...

Also...has anybody noticed, that the godchild says "wake up" only on high ems scores? I heared in my ending(3000ems) "Why are you here" there was no "wake up". Now I watched the best ending on YT. The child says "wake up".

But now, watch this: www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlyGL9Cqsxw#t=08m40s
And compare it with this vid:

Heared it? Another proof for the indoctrination theory!!!


WoW! I was kinda wary on the indoctrination theory up until this point.  Until now I was just taking everything as an unfortunate coincidence at the fault of bad writing.   This is pretty significant evidence though.  If we can get a confirmation that "wake up" only happens with high enough EMS score then this theory is as good as proved.


Pretty sure its just Paragon differences.


No, I had maxed out paragon! There was no "wake up"

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Oh. My. God.

http://dl.dropbox.co...m_D_Int.033.ogg

If Bioware really planned all this out...

Jeez. This would be the most gutsy move ever pulled by a company that I can think of.

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FrostByte-GER wrote...

Also...has anybody noticed, that the godchild says "wake up" only on high ems scores? I heared in my ending(3000ems) "Why are you here" there was no "wake up". Now I watched the best ending on YT. The child says "wake up".

But now, watch this: www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlyGL9Cqsxw#t=08m40s
And compare it with this vid:

Heared it? Another proof for the indoctrination theory!!!


When catalyst says wake up i can hear talis voice saying wake up behind it.

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ReclaimedHavoc wrote...

Kumekerion wrote...

Again what if the true ending is on the disk and we can't access it until the appointed time? Has anyone tried changing the clocks of their devices to check?

I could check right now, though I don't know how I'd check something like that.


XBOX clock can be changed in online mode

edit: offline mode

Modifié par Kumekerion, 13 mars 2012 - 01:10 .


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Skipped over last few pages - new Twitter update from Chris Priestly:

@BioEvilChris Would it be too much if I asked you something since you work at BioWare? It's not ****ing about ME3.

@KenRaves Shoot, I may not be able to answer, but I'll try.

@BioEvilChris During the final run, just before the end, are the two squadmates with you killed? I understand if you can't answer.

@KenRaves I don't think we've revealed that yet. Sorry.

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FrostByte-GER wrote...

Deltateam Elcor wrote...

vrumpt wrote...

FrostByte-GER wrote...

Also...has anybody noticed, that the godchild says "wake up" only on high ems scores? I heared in my ending(3000ems) "Why are you here" there was no "wake up". Now I watched the best ending on YT. The child says "wake up".

But now, watch this: www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlyGL9Cqsxw#t=08m40s
And compare it with this vid:

Heared it? Another proof for the indoctrination theory!!!


WoW! I was kinda wary on the indoctrination theory up until this point.  Until now I was just taking everything as an unfortunate coincidence at the fault of bad writing.   This is pretty significant evidence though.  If we can get a confirmation that "wake up" only happens with high enough EMS score then this theory is as good as proved.


Pretty sure its just Paragon differences.


No, I had maxed out paragon! There was no "wake up"

I think it has to do with the EMS rating.

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De1ta G wrote...

FLYING GRENADE11 wrote...

xDarkspace wrote...

We find the get infiltraitor to be a efficient model.


Geth do not infiltrate 


Geth do not intentionally infiltrate,

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Rompa87-2 wrote...

Is there a public holiday in Canada today? Can't really see much activity from any BW employees on the forums?


They're probally having damage control meetings all day to try to come up with a public response.

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2_BR4ZIL_2 wrote...

Richard STIHL wrote...

sorry, english is my first language but i suck at and i dont care

1. endings leaked- bw came up with this little indoctrination ending to compensate

2. bw released space edition knowing people would blab. real ending coming so everyone would get it at the sametime (what a genius way to end a truly epis story like mass effest)

3. casey hudson said hold on to your saves. ending expansion pack (DA:O awakining style)

4. read the codex on indoctrination

5. infinite bullets

6. shepard waking up on earth

7. squad mates teleporting unharmed onto a normandy getting ready to jump through a relay

8. destroy being the renagede option (In dreams everthing is reversed.... also kinda explains 1m1)

9. gambles post about this being the hardest day ever.

10. guide book talks about secret ending possibly taken out. only to be given to us later.

11. kid dissapearing after you destroy

12. vega talking about humming

13. allmost killing virmire survivor

14. reapers hate you why would they tell you the truth. Read the art of war.

15. little kid is the catylist

16. EA likes money

17. trees magically appearing

18. sheps voiced under little boys

19. shep does not have a breathing mask on ( in mass effet 1 when your elevetor stops shep says "suit up" then you fight up the citidel tower

19.5 little kid smirks at you when you choos merge or control

20. EA aka rEApers like money


im not grasping at straws. more like grasping at pen15es

add if you have anyhting


21. God Kid only says "Wake Up" in a diferent tone if you have enough points for surviving the Destroy ending

22. God Kid speaks with both male & female sheps voice

I also have some pretty monor ones, like:

23. all bodies on the cidadel have a weird blank face
 
24. The way Anderson talks after you reach the cidadel is really weird too, one example is something like this:

Anderson: This looks like the collector's base from your descriptions!
Shep: Makes sense.

only it really...doesnt, i mean its the cidadel! when i first played (i didint knew this theory) this line really bother me, i was like: wtf shepard said that!?

Like i said, minor stuff


Why is this list making some sense to me? Am I being dilussional now?

:alien:

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ReclaimedHavoc

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Kumekerion wrote...

ReclaimedHavoc wrote...

Kumekerion wrote...

Again what if the true ending is on the disk and we can't access it until the appointed time? Has anyone tried changing the clocks of their devices to check?

I could check right now, though I don't know how I'd check something like that.


XBOX clock can be changed in online mode


I know, I meant as in, do I just play the ending again and pray for something? :P

Modifié par ReclaimedHavoc, 13 mars 2012 - 01:11 .