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Rafe34 wrote...
Oh. My. God.
http://dl.dropbox.co...m_D_Int.033.ogg
If Bioware really planned all this out...
Jeez. This would be the most gutsy move ever pulled by a company that I can think of.
Malanek999 wrote...
OK, suppose indoctrination is correct, how does the stargazer scene fit into it? What is the purpose of it? I want to believe but this makes no sense to me.
Kumekerion wrote...
Again what if the true ending is on the disk and we can't access it until the appointed time? Has anyone tried changing the clocks of their devices to check?
Exactly! I've been following this thread from the beginning, so I remember. The fact of the matter is that the two left endings mirroring the motivations of the villains of the series perfectly is way too clever to be coincidence.krystalevenstar wrote...
Fledgey wrote...
Alright I posted this a minute ago but everybody ignored it. Saren's speech in mass effect 1 mirrors the "Synthesis" ending perfectly just as TIM's speech mirrors "Control". Here's saren's speech:
"The relationship is symbiotic. Organic and machine intertwined. A union of flesh and steel. The strengths of both, and the weaknesses of neither. I am a vision of the future, Shepard. The evolution of all organic life. This is our destiny. Join Sovereign and experience a true rebirth."
Right, that's why choosing synthesis is seen as losing your resolve as well.
Someone said this earlier:
Control- You become The Illusive Man
Synthesize- You become Saren
Destroy- You remain Shepard
I would really like to know what they think of this thread.Rompa87-2 wrote...
Is there a public holiday in Canada today? Can't really see much activity from any BW employees on the forums?
Auresta wrote...
Rafe34 wrote...
Oh. My. God.
http://dl.dropbox.co...m_D_Int.033.ogg
If Bioware really planned all this out...
Jeez. This would be the most gutsy move ever pulled by a company that I can think of.
holy **** I know it was put up a while back but I just found a quiet place to listen to it and I'm freaking out
xDarkspace wrote...
FrostByte-GER wrote...
Also...has anybody noticed, that the godchild says "wake up" only on high ems scores? I heared in my ending(3000ems) "Why are you here" there was no "wake up". Now I watched the best ending on YT. The child says "wake up".
But now, watch this: www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlyGL9Cqsxw#t=08m40s
And compare it with this vid:
Heared it? Another proof for the indoctrination theory!!!
When catalyst says wake up i can hear talis voice saying wake up behind it.
You are being indoctrinated.panamakira wrote...
Why is this list making some sense to me? Am I being dilussional now?
Rafe34 wrote...
Oh. My. God.
http://dl.dropbox.co...m_D_Int.033.ogg
If Bioware really planned all this out...
Jeez. This would be the most gutsy move ever pulled by a company that I can think of.
Pojingu wrote...
@masseffect so providing we break indoctrination and survive will the real fight with Harbinger begin?
@gamermixz We smell trickery
Malanek999 wrote...
I would really like to know what they think of this thread.Rompa87-2 wrote...
Is there a public holiday in Canada today? Can't really see much activity from any BW employees on the forums?
Militarized wrote...
Auresta wrote...
Rafe34 wrote...
Oh. My. God.
http://dl.dropbox.co...m_D_Int.033.ogg
If Bioware really planned all this out...
Jeez. This would be the most gutsy move ever pulled by a company that I can think of.
holy **** I know it was put up a while back but I just found a quiet place to listen to it and I'm freaking out
Ugh... what am I listening to? Doesn't he say that in the game?
What's the theory?Sl4sh3r wrote...
Kumekerion wrote...
Again what if the true ending is on the disk and we can't access it until the appointed time? Has anyone tried changing the clocks of their devices to check?
It's most likely more complicated than that...
Can you change the time/date on the Xbox 360 and PS3?
If not, I have a theory...
Rafe34 wrote...
Oh. My. God.
http://dl.dropbox.co...m_D_Int.033.ogg
If Bioware really planned all this out...
Jeez. This would be the most gutsy move ever pulled by a company that I can think of.
Militarized wrote...
Auresta wrote...
Rafe34 wrote...
Oh. My. God.
http://dl.dropbox.co...m_D_Int.033.ogg
If Bioware really planned all this out...
Jeez. This would be the most gutsy move ever pulled by a company that I can think of.
holy **** I know it was put up a while back but I just found a quiet place to listen to it and I'm freaking out
Ugh... what am I listening to? Doesn't he say that in the game?
2_BR4ZIL_2 wrote...
Richard STIHL wrote...
sorry, english is my first language but i suck at and i dont care
1. endings leaked- bw came up with this little indoctrination ending to compensate
2. bw released space edition knowing people would blab. real ending coming so everyone would get it at the sametime (what a genius way to end a truly epis story like mass effest)
3. casey hudson said hold on to your saves. ending expansion pack (DA:O awakining style)
4. read the codex on indoctrination
5. infinite bullets
6. shepard waking up on earth
7. squad mates teleporting unharmed onto a normandy getting ready to jump through a relay
8. destroy being the renagede option (In dreams everthing is reversed.... also kinda explains 1m1)
9. gambles post about this being the hardest day ever.
10. guide book talks about secret ending possibly taken out. only to be given to us later.
11. kid dissapearing after you destroy
12. vega talking about humming
13. allmost killing virmire survivor
14. reapers hate you why would they tell you the truth. Read the art of war.
15. little kid is the catylist
16. EA likes money
17. trees magically appearing
18. sheps voiced under little boys
19. shep does not have a breathing mask on ( in mass effet 1 when your elevetor stops shep says "suit up" then you fight up the citidel tower
19.5 little kid smirks at you when you choos merge or control
20. EA aka rEApers like money
im not grasping at straws. more like grasping at pen15es
add if you have anyhting
21. God Kid only says "Wake Up" in a diferent tone if you have enough points for surviving the Destroy ending
22. God Kid speaks with both male & female sheps voice
I also have some pretty monor ones, like:
23. all bodies on the cidadel have a weird blank face
24. The way Anderson talks after you reach the cidadel is really weird too, one example is something like this:
Anderson: This looks like the collector's base from your descriptions!
Shep: Makes sense.
only it really...doesnt, i mean its the cidadel! when i first played (i didint knew this theory) this line really bother me, i was like: wtf shepard said that!?
Like i said, minor stuff
JasonTan87 wrote...
Keep in mind; with such an ending without a closure, it is very easy to see what we each want to see. It's very easy to read into the narrative and find things that are not there. Hope, combined with emotional desperation, makes a most persuasive force. (This reminds me of TIM's own failing)
I myself am wary of giving the writers too much credit; especially in instances where there is the possibility of me deluding myself into making a masterpiece out of someone's sloppy work. Traditionally, Mass Effect followed fairly conventional soap-opera conventions. Unlike the Matrix, which sought to question reality from the onset, we do not have this meta-narrative coming from the last two games. Making the last 20 minutes of Mass Effect 3 into a post-modern meta narrative that is an 'indoctrination' of the player; while entirely plausable, is unlikely.
The thing is, we can't tell if this is deliberate just yet. I'm most willing to buy into this theory, but I can't help but ask myself:
If this was really true, why hold the 'real ending' back? Why not just release it with the rest of the game, and be credited for the stroke of genious? Why risk the fan backlash? Why look sloppy when you can look good right off?
Why troll us, their fans?
You know, they could have just told us in a press release, with a sly smile, that it's not over yet. Then they wouldn't have any of this PR firestorm on their hands.
Even if it was true, the current state that ME3 was released in (supposedly a complete game out of the box) is also paramount to bad writing. The narrative, as it is now, it violates the reader-writer contract by not offering the real ending to provide closure to the story. Even if there was an overarching meta-narrative embedded within, the writing must be consistant and clear enough for us to reach that conclusion without having a 'panel' to 'interpret' the ending for us. Mass Effect 3 has neither.
The very fact that the 'panel' has to 'interpret' their vision to us shows how the narrative has failed to communicate the different levels of the narrative.
In addition; the whole crucible thing itself could have been handled more adequately. Hallucination is not an excuse for sloppy writing. The writing for the crucible onwards; while brillant if this theory holds true; still feels sloppy and rushed. Imagine how much more convincing if they had a fluent narrative without the gigantic plot holes, and the Normandy had a proper reason for running away with your crew all on it. It also end with Normandy getting knocked out of FTL, but not show the crew coming out of the Normandy on some random planet.
The fact that the ending feels rushed worries me; because such meta-narrative twists require a high level of finesse to pull off.
What worries me the most is that people are losing their objectivity, calling what what may very well be a rushed conclusion 'a stroke of genius'. We must never forget that Bioware is telling us a story, and the very fact that we are unable to see the structure of the meta-narrative clearly (if it even exists) shows an inability to communicate their artistic vision properly through the medium.
Militarized wrote...
Auresta wrote...
Rafe34 wrote...
Oh. My. God.
http://dl.dropbox.co...m_D_Int.033.ogg
If Bioware really planned all this out...
Jeez. This would be the most gutsy move ever pulled by a company that I can think of.
holy **** I know it was put up a while back but I just found a quiet place to listen to it and I'm freaking out
Ugh... what am I listening to? Doesn't he say that in the game?
Rafe34 wrote...
Oh. My. God.
http://dl.dropbox.co...m_D_Int.033.ogg
If Bioware really planned all this out...
Jeez. This would be the most gutsy move ever pulled by a company that I can think of.
MordiMoro wrote...
Rafe34 wrote...
Oh. My. God.
http://dl.dropbox.co...m_D_Int.033.ogg
If Bioware really planned all this out...
Jeez. This would be the most gutsy move ever pulled by a company that I can think of.
If so BioWare is not ready to say the final ... I know friends are reselling the game.
Turtlicious wrote...
De1ta G wrote...
FLYING GRENADE11 wrote...
We find the get infiltraitor to be a efficient model.xDarkspace wrote...
Geth do not infiltrate
Geth do not intentionally infiltrate,
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