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#56976
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Dwailing wrote...

Big Bad wrote...

OT:  I'm replaying ME2 at the moment, and now I really want to play a game set in the ME universe that is focused on Aria...possibly one where the PC is Aria!  Anybody else think that would be fun?


That could be fun.  Maybe a prequel.  Also, I still want to see a retake Omega DLC where we get Aria as a temp or even permanent squadmate.


I wouldn't mind this in concept, except instead as playing as Aria you play as a member of her merc band, throughout the game you could have choices which either strengthens Aria's position or weakens it until the conclusion where you either become Aria's right hand man/women or the new ruler of Omega. Obviously it's  very basic idea but it could work and could fit it at any point during the ME timeline.

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Icinix wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Yes, under unknown conditions the LegendSave file is overwritten.


Unknown you say?.....

At least I don't know them. The "proof" would be that the LegendSave of my second playthrough is not as old as the first of my third (NewGame+)


I haven't done a newgame+, but I would imagine there is a good chance the legendsave would be overwritten in that scenario.

The LegendSave is bound to the career and not affected nor needed for NewGame+

Modifié par MegumiAzusa, 14 mai 2012 - 02:12 .


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MegumiAzusa wrote...

DJBare wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

About the LegendSave, which was talked about a few pages ago. So, it is created the first time you finish the game (or, more precisely, make a choice), and is never overwritten, even by later playthroughs. It also doesn't seem to do anything (yet).

I think it's pretty obvious, you're only going to get indoctrinated (or not) the first time you play through, like any twist, it can't be the same again. So, natually it records that first time choice, to see what each player's true choice was, and will most likely be what determines the outcome of your particular story in EC. Otherwise, everyone who understands what's actually going on can now just go back, pick destroy with high EMS, and then do the EC.

LegendSave will force you to live with the choice you made before you knew what was going on.

So. Awesome.

Oh crap, my first choice was in confusion and definitely turned out to be in error after thinking it through, I shudder to think of the consequences, fortunately I created new characters with their own Legendsaves with what I consider the correct choice, if the legendsave does turn out to be as you described, I look forward to seeing the outcomes.

People don't seem to read my posts >.>

Yeah, I'm kinda playing catchup, I don't spend my days in this thread because there is so much obfuscation and image spam, I can only spend so long in here, while I support IT, quite a lot of the evidence put forward really stretches IT's credibility, there are great ones like the gun switch for example, but others like the trees showing as reflection are stretching the credibility because these are not things you can see without using flycam.

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Bill Casey wrote...

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what do you think a good IT theme song would be



www.youtube.com/watch

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Why are there so many
songs about rainbows
and what's on the other side?

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Rainbows are visions,
but only illusions,
and rainbows have nothing to hide.

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So we've been told
and some choose to believe it.
I know they're wrong wait and see.
Someday we'll find it,
the rainbow connection.
The lovers, the dreamers and me.

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Who said that every wish
would be heard and answered
when wished on the morning star?
Somebody thought of that
and someone believed it.
Look what it's done so far.

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What's so amazing
that keeps us stargazing
and what do we
think we might see?
Someday we'll find it,
the rainbow connection.
The lovers, the dreamers and me.

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All of us under its spell.
We know that it's probably magic. :wizard::wizard::wizard:

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Have you been half asleep and have you heard voices?
I've heard them calling my name.
Is this the sweet sound that calls the young sailors.
The voice might be one and the same.

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I've heard it too many times to ignore it.
It's something that I'm supposed to be.
Someday we'll find it,
the rainbow connection,

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the lovers,

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the dreamers

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and me.


Okay I'm sold, the EC will be Rainbow connection played over the credits Posted Image

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DJBare wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

DJBare wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

About the LegendSave, which was talked about a few pages ago. So, it is created the first time you finish the game (or, more precisely, make a choice), and is never overwritten, even by later playthroughs. It also doesn't seem to do anything (yet).

I think it's pretty obvious, you're only going to get indoctrinated (or not) the first time you play through, like any twist, it can't be the same again. So, natually it records that first time choice, to see what each player's true choice was, and will most likely be what determines the outcome of your particular story in EC. Otherwise, everyone who understands what's actually going on can now just go back, pick destroy with high EMS, and then do the EC.

LegendSave will force you to live with the choice you made before you knew what was going on.

So. Awesome.

Oh crap, my first choice was in confusion and definitely turned out to be in error after thinking it through, I shudder to think of the consequences, fortunately I created new characters with their own Legendsaves with what I consider the correct choice, if the legendsave does turn out to be as you described, I look forward to seeing the outcomes.

People don't seem to read my posts >.>

Yeah, I'm kinda playing catchup, I don't spend my days in this thread because there is so much obfuscation and image spam, I can only spend so long in here, while I support IT, quite a lot of the evidence put forward really stretches IT's credibility, there are great ones like the gun switch for example, but others like the trees showing as reflection are stretching the credibility because these are not things you can see without using flycam.

You can see them. Maybe not as easy, but they are still there and noticeable.
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And with a bit of editing to make it more visible:
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MegumiAzusa wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Yes, under unknown conditions the LegendSave file is overwritten.


Unknown you say?.....

At least I don't know them. The "proof" would be that the LegendSave of my second playthrough is not as old as the first save of my third (NewGame+)


Curious, so you successfully wrote over your original Legendsave effectively? Or was it a new career?

Perhaps it can overwrite when reaching the end again with NewGame+?
What were the circumstances at the end of your second/third playthroughs?

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By the way, TSA, you're the sound guy, is there any way you could check

a) Shepard waking up after getting hit by the beam. He/she whispers "no" several times (seemingly randomly) but I'm sure this happens layered over the existing rough breathing. Basically I suspect Shepard isn't actually saying it aloud. Any way you could check? :P

B) the noise you hear when you fire a gun in the crucible room. It sounds like a Ravager hiss or something

Me not a sound guy, but I swear they're both off.

Modifié par SS2Dante, 14 mai 2012 - 02:20 .


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MegumiAzusa wrote...

DJBare wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

DJBare wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

About the LegendSave, which was talked about a few pages ago. So, it is created the first time you finish the game (or, more precisely, make a choice), and is never overwritten, even by later playthroughs. It also doesn't seem to do anything (yet).

I think it's pretty obvious, you're only going to get indoctrinated (or not) the first time you play through, like any twist, it can't be the same again. So, natually it records that first time choice, to see what each player's true choice was, and will most likely be what determines the outcome of your particular story in EC. Otherwise, everyone who understands what's actually going on can now just go back, pick destroy with high EMS, and then do the EC.

LegendSave will force you to live with the choice you made before you knew what was going on.

So. Awesome.

Oh crap, my first choice was in confusion and definitely turned out to be in error after thinking it through, I shudder to think of the consequences, fortunately I created new characters with their own Legendsaves with what I consider the correct choice, if the legendsave does turn out to be as you described, I look forward to seeing the outcomes.

People don't seem to read my posts >.>

Yeah, I'm kinda playing catchup, I don't spend my days in this thread because there is so much obfuscation and image spam, I can only spend so long in here, while I support IT, quite a lot of the evidence put forward really stretches IT's credibility, there are great ones like the gun switch for example, but others like the trees showing as reflection are stretching the credibility because these are not things you can see without using flycam.

You can see them. Maybe not as easy, but they are still there and noticeable.
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And with a bit of editing to make it more visible:
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This is annoying me, especially since I got the PC version I keep having to tell people it IS there, it's not a vague shape or anything, it's really CLEAR when playing :@ :P  But that doesn't translate too well into screenshots :@

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TSA_383 wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Yes, under unknown conditions the LegendSave file is overwritten.


Unknown you say?.....

At least I don't know them. The "proof" would be that the LegendSave of my second playthrough is not as old as the first save of my third (NewGame+)


Curious, so you successfully wrote over your original Legendsave effectively? Or was it a new career?

Perhaps it can overwrite when reaching the end again with NewGame+?
What were the circumstances at the end of your second/third playthroughs?


When you start a newgame+ it creates a seperate folder with a seperate newgameplus and legendsave.

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UrgedDuke wrote...

what do you think a good IT theme song would be


I'm still sticking with this. The lyrics are ludicrously appropriate.

 


LYRICS

The cycle repeated
as explosions broke in the sky
all that I needed
was the one thing I couldn't find

And you were there at the turn
Waiting to let me know

We're building it up
To break it back down
We're building it up
To burn it down
We can't wait
To burn it to the ground

The colors conflicted
as the flames climbed into the clouds
I wanted to fix this / but
couldn't stop from tearing it down

And you were caught at the turn
caught in the burning glow
And I was there at the turn
Waiting to let you know

You told me yes / You held me high
And I believed when you told that lie
I played that soldier / You played king
And struck me down when I kissed that ring
You lost that right / to hold that crown
I built you up but you let me down
so when you fall / I'll take my turn
and fan the flames as your blazes burn 

Modifié par SS2Dante, 14 mai 2012 - 02:25 .


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TSA_383 wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Yes, under unknown conditions the LegendSave file is overwritten.


Unknown you say?.....

At least I don't know them. The "proof" would be that the LegendSave of my second playthrough is not as old as the first save of my third (NewGame+)


Curious, so you successfully wrote over your original Legendsave effectively? Or was it a new career?

Perhaps it can overwrite when reaching the end again with NewGame+?
What were the circumstances at the end of your second/third playthroughs?

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The career in the background is derived from the career in the foreground with an import/NewGame+. As you can see the date for the LegendSave is 5/6/2012 while Save_0001 is dated 5/5/2012.

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SS2Dante wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

DJBare wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

DJBare wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

About the LegendSave, which was talked about a few pages ago. So, it is created the first time you finish the game (or, more precisely, make a choice), and is never overwritten, even by later playthroughs. It also doesn't seem to do anything (yet).

I think it's pretty obvious, you're only going to get indoctrinated (or not) the first time you play through, like any twist, it can't be the same again. So, natually it records that first time choice, to see what each player's true choice was, and will most likely be what determines the outcome of your particular story in EC. Otherwise, everyone who understands what's actually going on can now just go back, pick destroy with high EMS, and then do the EC.

LegendSave will force you to live with the choice you made before you knew what was going on.

So. Awesome.

Oh crap, my first choice was in confusion and definitely turned out to be in error after thinking it through, I shudder to think of the consequences, fortunately I created new characters with their own Legendsaves with what I consider the correct choice, if the legendsave does turn out to be as you described, I look forward to seeing the outcomes.

People don't seem to read my posts >.>

Yeah, I'm kinda playing catchup, I don't spend my days in this thread because there is so much obfuscation and image spam, I can only spend so long in here, while I support IT, quite a lot of the evidence put forward really stretches IT's credibility, there are great ones like the gun switch for example, but others like the trees showing as reflection are stretching the credibility because these are not things you can see without using flycam.

You can see them. Maybe not as easy, but they are still there and noticeable.
Posted Image
And with a bit of editing to make it more visible:
Posted Image


This is annoying me, especially since I got the PC version I keep having to tell people it IS there, it's not a vague shape or anything, it's really CLEAR when playing :@ :P  But that doesn't translate too well into screenshots :@


Yeah you are correct. This is one of the things you have to see for yourself. Screenshots don't show itt properly, but when playing and moving around in that area i could clearly see the reflections. I even said "mother of god" and took away my shades at that moment. the reflections are definitely there, and easily be seen if you know where to look. the only question, to me, is what it all means.

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pirate1802 wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Yes, under unknown conditions the LegendSave file is overwritten.


Unknown you say?.....

At least I don't know them. The "proof" would be that the LegendSave of my second playthrough is not as old as the first save of my third (NewGame+)


Curious, so you successfully wrote over your original Legendsave effectively? Or was it a new career?

Perhaps it can overwrite when reaching the end again with NewGame+?
What were the circumstances at the end of your second/third playthroughs?


When you start a newgame+ it creates a seperate folder with a seperate newgameplus and legendsave.


But that doesn't mean the game cannot access the folder of the previous playthrough after NG+ completion. The best way to confirm all this LegendSave uncertainty would be to ask BioWare for comment.

Modifié par paxxton, 14 mai 2012 - 02:27 .


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MegumiAzusa wrote...

I like DA2. And no, the constrains are not the fault of DA2 but DAO. In the endgame diashow in DAO you get to know what will happen hundreds of years in the future. This seriously limits everything you can do that would be "world changing".


1. They're the fault of the DA team.  Which was largely the same for both games.
2. No.  Very few of the slides told you far into the future and when they did it was pretty limited in scope.  Having a bit of Orzammar's monarch's future set in stone is a hilariously far cry from "severely limiting" what the next game.
3. Writing off things like Thrask assuming you're his anti-Meredith conspiracy's #2 problem even if you've openly opposed her for a decade because DAO had epilogue slides is just...  really, we need an eye roll emote.  Wow.

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MegumiAzusa wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

Yeah, so pretty sure that Shepards gun turns into a Predator when the destroy tube explodes. Can you guys verify?

Look, here. (for ease of viewing, go to HD and full screen)



At 1.15, pause and check the gun. It doesn't have the arch bits on top. It's the Predator, not the carnifex.

If you choose destroy, Shep gets his gun back :D

Good catch!
Seems like all the negative gun scenes in the game use the carnifex... if you shoot mordin, carnifex, if you shoot wrex, carnifex, you shoot anderson, carnifex.
Shoot the destroy tube... :pinched:
Also, about the other two endings also loading the red cinematic - where did you find that info in Umodel?

Confirmed
*image snip*

What would make that more interesting is if you equipped the predator, is it always the predator that shows no matter what you had equipped?

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Arian Dynas wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

That would be nuts if they took your very first LegendSave and when you download the EC and boot the game up it auto-plays the consequences of your first decision


Seconded, I support this idea greatly.


I'm sure someone busted this idea? It will change but only if you getter a "better" ending? I can't remember what defined the "better" ending whether it was just EMS or your final choice but when I last brought this up someone said their save was altered long after their original complation date.

My next question would be is if one legendsave per Shepard or one per Origin account? If they linked it to the Origin account that would be epic.

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SS2Dante wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

DJBare wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

DJBare wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

About the LegendSave, which was talked about a few pages ago. So, it is created the first time you finish the game (or, more precisely, make a choice), and is never overwritten, even by later playthroughs. It also doesn't seem to do anything (yet).

I think it's pretty obvious, you're only going to get indoctrinated (or not) the first time you play through, like any twist, it can't be the same again. So, natually it records that first time choice, to see what each player's true choice was, and will most likely be what determines the outcome of your particular story in EC. Otherwise, everyone who understands what's actually going on can now just go back, pick destroy with high EMS, and then do the EC.

LegendSave will force you to live with the choice you made before you knew what was going on.

So. Awesome.

Oh crap, my first choice was in confusion and definitely turned out to be in error after thinking it through, I shudder to think of the consequences, fortunately I created new characters with their own Legendsaves with what I consider the correct choice, if the legendsave does turn out to be as you described, I look forward to seeing the outcomes.

People don't seem to read my posts >.>

Yeah, I'm kinda playing catchup, I don't spend my days in this thread because there is so much obfuscation and image spam, I can only spend so long in here, while I support IT, quite a lot of the evidence put forward really stretches IT's credibility, there are great ones like the gun switch for example, but others like the trees showing as reflection are stretching the credibility because these are not things you can see without using flycam.

You can see them. Maybe not as easy, but they are still there and noticeable.
Posted Image
And with a bit of editing to make it more visible:
Posted Image


This is annoying me, especially since I got the PC version I keep having to tell people it IS there, it's not a vague shape or anything, it's really CLEAR when playing :@ :P  But that doesn't translate too well into screenshots :@

Yes and when recording either most gets lost in compression or the filesize is huge.

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SS2Dante wrote...



UrgedDuke wrote...

what do you think a good IT theme song would be


I'm still sticking with this. The lyrics are ludicrously appropriate.

 


LYRICS

The cycle repeated
as explosions broke in the sky
all that I needed
was the one thing I couldn't find

And you were there at the turn
Waiting to let me know

We're building it up
To break it back down
We're building it up
To burn it down
We can't wait
To burn it to the ground

The colors conflicted
as the flames climbed into the clouds
I wanted to fix this / but
couldn't stop from tearing it down

And you were caught at the turn
caught in the burning glow
And I was there at the turn
Waiting to let you know

You told me yes / You held me high
And I believed when you told that lie
I played that soldier / You played king
And struck me down when I kissed that ring
You lost that right / to hold that crown
I built you up but you let me down
so when you fall / I'll take my turn
and fan the flames as your blazes burn 


...oh god.

LINKIN PARK KNEW

#56994
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Arian Dynas wrote...

Two, Casey Hudson has a degree in Psychology, meaning he knows how to play with people's minds, as well as how the human mind works, with an understanding of dreams and their interpretation, as well as how a character's psyche works, and the physical effects of stress on the mind.


I'm not sure about that, according to the final hours app he has a degree in Engineering, does he have more than one major qualification?

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bigstig wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

That would be nuts if they took your very first LegendSave and when you download the EC and boot the game up it auto-plays the consequences of your first decision


Seconded, I support this idea greatly.


I'm sure someone busted this idea? It will change but only if you getter a "better" ending? I can't remember what defined the "better" ending whether it was just EMS or your final choice but when I last brought this up someone said their save was altered long after their original complation date.

My next question would be is if one legendsave per Shepard or one per Origin account? If they linked it to the Origin account that would be epic.

One per career.

#56996
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Arian Dynas wrote...

Also, for the record, since no one has bothered to reply to anything I put in my wall of text, I'm feeling a bit ignored... >.>...



Sorry I only skimmed it and what I read I felt I couldn't really add anything to the discussion other than a Wow wall of text option.

I know how you feel though a lot of comments things get missed and then brought back up pages later as a "new" idea

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MegumiAzusa wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Yes, under unknown conditions the LegendSave file is overwritten.


Unknown you say?.....

At least I don't know them. The "proof" would be that the LegendSave of my second playthrough is not as old as the first save of my third (NewGame+)


Curious, so you successfully wrote over your original Legendsave effectively? Or was it a new career?

Perhaps it can overwrite when reaching the end again with NewGame+?
What were the circumstances at the end of your second/third playthroughs?

Posted Image
The career in the background is derived from the career in the foreground with an import/NewGame+. As you can see the date for the LegendSave is 5/6/2012 while Save_0001 is dated 5/5/2012.

I also see you've got a quicksave from minutes earlier - did you do the "choice" again?

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TSA_383 wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Yes, under unknown conditions the LegendSave file is overwritten.


Unknown you say?.....

At least I don't know them. The "proof" would be that the LegendSave of my second playthrough is not as old as the first save of my third (NewGame+)


Curious, so you successfully wrote over your original Legendsave effectively? Or was it a new career?

Perhaps it can overwrite when reaching the end again with NewGame+?
What were the circumstances at the end of your second/third playthroughs?

Posted Image
The career in the background is derived from the career in the foreground with an import/NewGame+. As you can see the date for the LegendSave is 5/6/2012 while Save_0001 is dated 5/5/2012.

I also see you've got a quicksave from minutes earlier - did you do the "choice" again?

It actually was a few hours ago (timezone), and yes I picked another choice.

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SS2Dante wrote...

By the way, TSA, you're the sound guy, is there any way you could check

a) Shepard waking up after getting hit by the beam. He/she whispers "no" several times (seemingly randomly) but I'm sure this happens layered over the existing rough breathing. Basically I suspect Shepard isn't actually saying it aloud. Any way you could check? :P

B) the noise you hear when you fire a gun in the crucible room. It sounds like a Ravager hiss or something

Me not a sound guy, but I swear they're both off.


I could, but apparently I'm an idiot because I can't find the folder with the small-arms weapon sounds in it :lol:

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MegumiAzusa wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Yes, under unknown conditions the LegendSave file is overwritten.


Unknown you say?.....

At least I don't know them. The "proof" would be that the LegendSave of my second playthrough is not as old as the first save of my third (NewGame+)


Curious, so you successfully wrote over your original Legendsave effectively? Or was it a new career?

Perhaps it can overwrite when reaching the end again with NewGame+?
What were the circumstances at the end of your second/third playthroughs?

Posted Image
The career in the background is derived from the career in the foreground with an import/NewGame+. As you can see the date for the LegendSave is 5/6/2012 while Save_0001 is dated 5/5/2012.

I also see you've got a quicksave from minutes earlier - did you do the "choice" again?

It actually was a few hours ago (timezone), and yes I picked another choice.

So what was the difference in choice?
EMS Different or anything else or just choice?